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Fscarlet
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I agree Doc, this hopefully will be the makings of this team. Over the last few years we tend to come back into matches in the last quarter or so but we were leading this time & almost saw it out. We aren't the complete article yet, we aren't streetwise enough at 9, Cawdors kick away against Ireland & Tomos not trying to knock the ball on in the last minute demonstrate this. However we are in a much better place that we were on the opening weekend.
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dyniol53
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What is this Tomos knock on referring to? I don’t understand. Completely agree about discipline in last 5 mins closing a game out. Both vs Ireland (Cawdor’s kick), vs Scotland (Tompkins gave a penalty away instead of releasing the ball on Scotland’s 5 meter) and then on Saturday where there was a comedy of errors in the last 10. I think Dawson is right this will haunt us, really will. But this ending could have happened in the Ireland or Scotland game too and we’re “lucky” that it only happened in the last game rather than all 3.
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Fscarlet
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With 78 on the clock, France spilled the ball forward & we had a knock on advantage. Tomos looked at the ref as if he was asking for the scrum but I don't know if he asked for it. He could have 'dropped' the ball when he picked it up & we would have had the scrum.
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With about two minutes to go we had a knock on advantage and the idea is that we should’ve either asked the ref for the scrum or Tomos Williams should’ve ‘accidentally’ knocked it on. That would’ve meant we could’ve taken time to set a scrum with our put in rather than go through the pick and goes which would’ve substantially reduced our chances of conceding a penalty.
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Yes, fair point. I suppose we could say we didn't learn those lessons against Ireland and Scotland you mention and France were a far more clinical side. They still won the game at the end of the day, forced the errors from us and then took their chance. Plenty to think about and look at.
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Needless to say the online abuse towards Sanjay is ridiculous. One of my favourite ever players, one of the few I’d say that would’ve comfortably played for Wales in any era, he’s that talented.
Hate to bring it back to referee decisions but his penalty and yellow card weren’t either in my opinion. He’s back on his feet and the ball is out when he tackles DuPont. At worst is a knock on in the tackle. Huge decision that and I think one where Luke Pearce had got caught up in the moment. Liam had an excellent tournament.
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Online abuse of Liam is utter nonsense. The squad to a man deserve huge credit not abuse. Excellent tournament for me is a bit over the top. Think Liam may have struggled to get the 15 shirt off JPR but I take your point about him being a top top player.
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Me & the Mrs were talking about this last night when Scrum V mentioned it & I can't see for the life of me why people post such hateful messages online. We're all rugby fans & will have slated a player when we're watching down the club, but to go out of your way & post that online is beyond.
Don't post something online to someone if you wouldn't say it to their face.
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if sheedy kicks it dead, liam doesn't even have to get involved. It was a 50/50 call but did seem more of a delibarete knock on than anything else
disgusting abuse and the culprits should be banned from social media, |
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Spot on observation. Take the scrum.
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Did the referee actually call "advantage over" after the knock on? We hadn't made any ground with the drives before he penalised us.
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Think this is making me feel worse now, that last 10 minutes just wasn't smart play by several players. Ah well, hopefully we will learn from this.
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Very similar to the last 10 versus south africa in the semi final. In a good position and then really poor decisions lost us.
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I'm not sure but I think we had 3 or 4 phases before the penalty.
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Yep it’s brutal. There’s so many moments that could’ve secured the Grand slam. 10 to 15 different individual decisions by Welsh players that could’ve won it. That’s why is so frustrating
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The top few mistakes that we could try and look at again and learn from....feel free to add any or amend any..
1) cory hill seal off with 60 seconds left 2) liam diving even though he may or may not have been legal he made hiself an easy target for the refs card 3) tomos not simply taking the scrum in the last few minutes instead of playing on, a few reset scrums would have run down the clock 4) sheedy not kicking to touch or even pasisng and allowing the other player to clear much further 5) faletau yellow, would he have been better off stating onside even if it cost a try 6) 27 - 20 58 minutes 1 man advantage should we have stayed down there taken the scrum / lineout and driven home our 1 man advantage and also stopped them getting back into our territory 7) cawdors left foot clearance for their 2nd try by dupont was a shocker etc |
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