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thommo
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Agree 100%. Leinster rugby have stated the positive impact Brad Thorne and Isa Nacewa had on their young guns.
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RR1972
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Legendinmybathroom
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Pivac made a very interesting comment on the 6nations preview with Eddie Butler- when asked why the welsh players play better when with Wales compared to playing for their regions, his response was that the players immediately raise their standards and effort by approximately 20% as soon as they arrive at the jail of Glamorgan. That to me suggests that since the WRU signed 38 elite players(kind of central contract) they (elite players) have been holding back on regional performances as they expected to play a part in every international window/squad regardless on their regional form. It also suggests that players are more interested in playing for Team Wales than playing for their regions. That doesn’t happen in France or England, where you first have to be performing at your best at club level to be selected for the national squad. So you are rewarded for high standards at club level and not just given a bye into the national team.
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RR1972
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A lot of wales test players go through the motions at the regions 100 per cent agree with you
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scarletnut
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I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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scarletnut
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I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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GPR - Rochester
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The elite 38 programme & the 80% payment for services rules should be scrapped. Nothing is going to change the culture and quality of Welsh rugby overnight - we all have to appreciate that. But the start is to have a comprehensive, fully funded plan for regional/club improvement & success.
Having 38 elite players named at the beginning of each year seems to restrict Pivac in his selections throughout that year & reduces competition for places. Nothing is worse to hear for me than experienced Internationals saying they are returning to Welsh club rugby because they will be managed better & therefore prolong their International careers. What about the team that is paying you for f... sake.
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Why
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One obvious thing to do is get rid of Dragons who have been a drain on resources for too long without achieving anything. They have been a joke and Ryan talks a good game but is doing no better than the previous shambles.
At the moment they are a luxury the WRU cannot afford
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She asks why i still can't answer. I guess its in the blood.
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GPR - Rochester
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I don't know if just losing a professional club is the answer. The whole system in Wales to me appears unlinked & not fit for purpose. It all starts with getting the number of youngsters interested in playing the game, identifying talent and providing World class facilities to develop that talent through to professionalism.
Lets say we lost the Dragons that would mean losing 40-50 professional players most of whom were Welsh from the game in Wales. Other clubs/regions would pick up their better players so other players would lose their contracts. How does that benefit Welsh rugby? Surely we need to encourage more to play the game and attain professional standards whether that is inside or outside Wales. I would like to think that if many of us on this forum have been able to see this coming for a number of years then there must be employees at the WRU who have been all over this issue for many years with a blueprint plan about to be issued. The fact that there is no such plan is taking professional negligence to another level.
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scarletnut
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I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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Fscarlet
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Why do you say that Steff? |
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RR1972
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GPR - Rochester
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Are we thinking about this from the correct viewpoint? In an ideal World we need as many professional players in the pool from which to select strong regional sides and thereafter the Welsh team. Of course finance matter hugely but without the correct pathways in identifying & nurturing talent throwing more money at 2/3 clubs/regions is not the long term answer.
Who is saying that with a dramatic overhaul of how the WRU is set up and run along with employing top hospitality professionals to run the Principality Stadium asset we could not properly finance the four regions/clubs along with their pathways from junior rugby to regional centres of excellence providing top level education & rugby coaching???
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turkishrebel
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simplifying it all, the issue in wales at the moment is we need more quality players playing for wales.
taking a team away means there is less of an outlet for players to come through. we must remember a player who doesnt work out for us could come through and mature at another region. the issue is i can see not enough development being brought in for youngsters from early teens to late teens and early 20s. They are not playing in a tough enough and quality environment to stretch themselves. club rugby is not hard enough, we dont have a 2nds league which would be of use. I would love us to have development teams playing in the english leagues or playing the english teams reserves in a meaningful league and for our youngsters to come through there. WRU needs to seriously look at this and assist the regions in producing a clear proper structure for our players to come through. watching our under 20s on friday was such a demoralising experience and then watching the national team really show no really cutting edge at the irish shows we have to do something and something soon.
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Once a Scarlet, always a Scarlet!
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Fscarlet
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Get rid of having to play in Wales after you're capped if you don't have 60 caps. Look at how Rees-Zammit has developed, similarly Josh Adams. They have become class player by playing outside of Wales, don't force them to come back just to play for a region in a sub standard environment.
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I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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