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Legendinmybathroom
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I’m wondering whether this is what Puton had in mind when he stated that there would be devastating consequences of the West tried to interfere. He may well be thinking of threatening to use Chernobyl’s nuclear reactor as a bargaining tool against western military actions or may be just mad and will just use it to kill 10s of thousands of Ukrainians, who he claims are not a recognised nation or state.
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RR1972
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China n korea iran are all watching and seeing how impotent the west response has been, frankly weve got pathetic leaders and the rest of the world know it.
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Its said putin may have had alzheimers and parkinsons for over a year, that could make matters even more complicated
Corbyn spoke in parliament and suggested that NATO back off their expansion into ukraine in an attempt to find a solution? |
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ROYMOND MUNTER MBE (FOR SERVICES TO THE COMBOVER)
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dyniol53
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We know it, they know it. They know we won’t do anything about it. Having said that Peloisi just announced desire to send $600m worth of defence equipment to Ukr. The Ukrainians are holding some sites but won’t last long. Kyiv has the deepest underground station in all of Europe. There will be a lot of them sheltering down there tonight . Bombing expecting at 3am
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dyniol53
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lol the obsession with NATO is an attempt to make this war about us. It’s about Putins fantasies the restore the real Slavic empire. He first mentioned NATO about 40 mins into his 1h speech to the nation - a lot less relevant than the fact he doesn’t believe Ukraine exists and thinks Ukrainians are dogs. Not the first Russian tsar treat the Ukrainians as sub-human
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Nato should have made it clear to russia and to ukraine that ukraine would not be joining nato. Then ukraine should have looked to give the region that wants to be russian a referendum, then both sides should respect it, we basically led ukraine on and then left them in the lurch . In the process annoyed russia, im guessing ukraine is asset rich? Lets be honest is russia claim on the ukraine any less tenous than the uk on any part of ireland? But that’s by the by weve already said to putin we won’t put a single soldier in to the ukraine , talk about showing your hand
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dyniol53
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Putin doesn’t want just a bit of russian speaking Ukraine he wants to humiliate the Ukrainians for having the temerity to think their future faced west rather than towards Moscow. To him Kyiv is the Jerusalem of the Russian people and it’s been taken away by these Ukrainian dogs who aren’t real ethic Russians. It’s not about us. The only reason he’s invading now is because the west is weak. Other than that he doesn’t care - you can’t appease a mad man with dreams. They’ve been planning this for 8 year minimum
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Bur vast swathes of the ukraine see their future with moscow. Sme as vast swathes of ulster see themselves as britush I reckon partition was the way forward here. Maybe some 1 will off putin and that will stop it or cause ww3!
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dyniol53
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Lol let’s station 50,000 troops in Armagh for two months and see how in international community responds Ukraine is asset rich in agriculture (can feed a population of ~600million) and somewhat more concerning is it’s rich in uranium ores
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RR1972
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We put plenty of the troops in the 6 counties, i was one of them the international community did nothing
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Just because people are Russian speaking doesn’t mean they want independence from Ukraine. Lots of welsh people speak English but don’t want to be part of England etc But I don’t actually know the real numbers in the “breakaway states” and it’s true they Ukrainian gov have been more than heavy handed with separatists (as most authoritarian governments are)
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Don’t get me wrong i’m not defending putin or the invasion if i was a ukranian i’d take up arms against him. I just think we are not getting the full story in our media but we rarely do
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dyniol53
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Out of interest anyone watched Mr Jones? https://youtu.be/wtWSyFNT9qY
About the welsh journalist who first encountered the genocide of the Ukrainians at the hands of Stalin. Based on a true story
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Other semi-relevant fact is the founder of Donetsk was a welsh man John Hughes - it was originally called Hughescova
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Good interview on bbc some journo niall ferguson he is agreeing with your take. Reckons putim sees himself as some modern day peter the great!
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Russia’s claim on Donetsk and Luhansk could be compared to the UK’s claim on NI - in the sense that the people of those two regions might support being a part of Russia (I’m not sure of the exact polling figures), like the people of NI support being a part of the UK. So if Putin had just taken over those two regions (which is what he did a few days ago) your point, and any defence of Russia COULD stand. But he hasn’t done that, he’s invaded the whole of the Ukraine and unleashed a deadly war on a people that have no interest in being a part of his greater Russian / Soviet empire. In a way the Irish example is quite apt. Imagine if the UK invaded the ROI. Sure, we’d probably win the initial military battle and take over the Irish Government; but over time we’d encounter deadly resistance and insurgency, and would have our economy crippled with sanctions as a result of becoming an international pariah. I suspect that is what will happen in the end to Russia. The dreadful tragedy is that thousands of Ukrainians and Russians will die in the meantime, and both the Ukrainian and Russian economies will be destroyed - with the effect falling most heavily on the poor as always. All because of a madman and his sad little ego.
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