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Posted: 10 March 2022 at 4:46pm |
GPR - Rochester wrote:
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I just think Pivac is out of his depth in International rugby, other than one trophy with the Scarlets what has he won? The whole coaching staff seem like they don’t know what’s going on.
Seb Davies isn’t this Hybrid second/back row player Pivac thinks he is. Beirne/Lawes are Seb is nowhere near their level. Other than a lineout threat that’s all he brings. Poor selection by Pivac.
I’d bite the bullet and sack him after the 6 nations and give Scott Robertson a blank check and tell him to name his price. At least you’re getting a serial winner at club level who is going places both domestic and international level. |
He has won a 6Nations title and that’s given him license this year to experiment.
How do you know that about Seb Davies? He’s not the same player as Lawes/Itoje but I don’t think Pivac will ask him to play like that? Beirne is unique, not convinced Pivac is trying to make Davies a Beirne either.
I think it’s worth remembering that France, England and Ireland SHOULD always be better than Wales purely on a resources basis. If we come 4th it’s par for the course, not a howling season. | License to experiment? We have gone backwards at a rate of knots since last year. The six nations win last year we were very fortunate but a nevertheless the players came from behind in those games to win. |
We’ve gone backwards at the rate I’d expect if we lost 4/5 Lions through injury. In the sense that Ken Owens, Alun Wyn Jones, Justin Tipuric, George North and Faletau are not available.
Key areas were struggling are lineout, breakdown and carrying - especially in the centres. I see all 4 of them improving those areas considerably.
| Ken - 35, AWJ - 36, Tipuric - 33 this year, George - 30 this year. We can’t pin our national game on players who are and the very end of their careers. Other than North who could potentially be around for the 2027 World Cup. Pivac is picking players to try and win the next game because he’s on borrowed time. Picking Foxy at 12 over Scott Williams and Halaholo is crazy. Our breakdown is non existent, we have no ball carriers who fight the tackle other than Faletau, Elias and Lake. Our lineout is hit and miss at best. He’s brought in Thomas as a ball carrier, fair enough but where is Leon Brown who’s another good carrier? He’s picked Lewis for his breakdown work but he’s not going to get that many chances when you have Willemse and Woki wiping him out. Where is the second row cover? Seb is going to get a tough time at 6 and then expect him to go in the row. Why isn’t Ratti being given a chance? He’s a lump and since he’s moved to 8 he’s become a much better player. Bring him on in the last 20 minutes against a tired French pack instead of Moriarty who just puts his head down. We need to develop depth and we aren’t doing it when players aren’t being given a chance to step up. I would rather blood someone like Ioan Lloyd at 15 than keep picking Liam Williams who’s a liability and keeps getting unnecessary cards. |
You make many very valid points. I too would have blooded Ratti who looks like the kind of hard carrying forward we are so short of. Why not try him alongside Faletau at 6? I certainly would have selected Ioan Lloyd for this squad and given him some time at 10/12. Of course Scott is the best 12 in Wales at the moment by a country mile & by his own admission he is not back to his very best so it doesn't say a lot for Pivac's selection process. Gareth Thomas, Leon Brown, Seb Davies & Ratti have the physicality & carrying power needed to play at this level but how many caps have they had since Pivac took over.? If they have question marks over Brown's scrummaging why have they not employed a top coach like Adam Jones to improve him?
It just seems like we are sleep walking ( apologies of I have stolen that expression) into rugby oblivion at the moment. Dyniol suggests that maybe we should be satisfied with 4th based on playing resources - when have the Wales of Gareth Edwards, Barry John, Bennett, Dawes, JPR, Gerald, JJ, Mervyn, Pontypool front row et al ever been satisfied with anything other than winning. | I fully agree with everything you say, especially that part about not settling for 4th. We are a proud nation and I’m sure every man on that pitch tomorrow will stand and be ready for battle and certainly not settle for 4th.
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Posted: 10 March 2022 at 4:52pm |
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I love the long term generosity of spirit shown to our national coach 🤨and from Scarlets supporters 😉 I applaud the Seb attempt and hope it’s successful.I don’t know what will happen. We must develop a range of options in the squad and he’s trying to do it, just like the ‘he’s having a laugh’ style criticism of North being played at centre a year or so back.
We have a small playing base and must show innovation. Let’s constructively critique post game. |
Generosity of spirit reesy - this is International professional rugby not Greast British Menu. You may recall that some posters were not very happy about the final year of Pivac & Stevo when he left the Scarlets. Nothing that has happened since suggests to me that Pivac is not out of his depth. As has already been pointed out the idea of playing North at 13 was hardly ground breaking innovation ffs Gatland had already been talking about it for years.
What would have been innovative would have been to identify that Foxy could not go on forever & start planning accordingly instead of being forced to try something because the talent is not there. With a small playing base you should at the very least select players on form. Of course I wish the team well but I do not hold out much hope. | Your a blinking hard man to please GPR ! 😉 let’s see how it unfolds as we all expect a French win. ( did you mean great Greasy British menu ? 😂 it’s my sort of breakfast anyway! ) |
You are right there reesy - her indoors has been telling that for years. Yes we'll have achat on Saturday post game as long as both of us promise not to gloat.
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Posted: 10 March 2022 at 5:45pm |
All those on social media currently [beep]ging him off will no doubt be creaming their pants if we win tomorrow. Such is the way of welsh rugby.
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Posted: 10 March 2022 at 10:19pm |
Wales under poor again just not big fit ot skillful enough
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Posted: 11 March 2022 at 6:33am |
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Wales under poor again just not big fit ot skillful enough | they did a good first half in my view, specially line out patterns...
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Posted: 11 March 2022 at 7:29am |
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The 20's conditioning looks pretty average. i would have thought the first priority for budding professional athletes would be to get fit. There aren't many excuses in today's environment.
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Posted: 11 March 2022 at 8:22am |
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Not surprising really when they don't have much game time with regions/clubs.
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Posted: 11 March 2022 at 2:18pm |
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Wales under poor again just not big fit ot skillful enough |
The 20's conditioning looks pretty average. i would have thought the first priority for budding professional athletes would be to get fit. There aren't many excuses in today's environment. |
The problem is most of them play in the semi pro Welsh Premiership whereas majority of French side played Top14 and ProD2 rugby.
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I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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Posted: 11 March 2022 at 2:28pm |
scarletnut wrote:
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Wales under poor again just not big fit ot skillful enough |
The 20's conditioning looks pretty average. i would have thought the first priority for budding professional athletes would be to get fit. There aren't many excuses in today's environment. | The problem is most of them play in the semi pro Welsh Premiership whereas majority of French side played Top14 and ProD2 rugby. |
ireland thrashed us and beat france, their youngsters don’t play in the french pro leauge
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Posted: 11 March 2022 at 2:38pm |
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I fully agree with everything you say, especially that part about not settling for 4th. We are a proud nation and I’m sure every man on that pitch tomorrow will stand and be ready for battle and certainly not settle for 4th. |
Gatland-era (*Howley) 2008 - 1st 2009 - 4th 2010 - 4th 2011 - 4th 2012 - 1st 2013 - 1st* 2014 - 3rd 2015 - 3rd 2016 - 2nd 2017 - 5th* 2018 - 2nd 2019 - 1st
2020 - 5th 2021 - 1st 2022 - ??
Pivac out!!
No one is saying we should be happy with 4th. Just that at this level it is not uncommon for a good coach to end up finishing 4th because other teams are better.
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Posted: 11 March 2022 at 3:20pm |
dyniol53 wrote:
Scrletsfan32x wrote:
I fully agree with everything you say, especially that part about not settling for 4th. We are a proud nation and I’m sure every man on that pitch tomorrow will stand and be ready for battle and certainly not settle for 4th. |
Gatland-era (*Howley) 2008 - 1st 2009 - 4th 2010 - 4th 2011 - 4th 2012 - 1st 2013 - 1st* 2014 - 3rd 2015 - 3rd 2016 - 2nd 2017 - 5th* 2018 - 2nd 2019 - 1st
2020 - 5th 2021 - 1st 2022 - ??
Pivac out!!
No one is saying we should be happy with 4th. Just that at this level it is not uncommon for a good coach to end up finishing 4th because other teams are better. |
To add to that. Here are the standings prior to Gatland.
2000- 4th 2001 - 4th 2002 - 5th 2003 - 6th 0 points lol 2004 - 4th 2005 - 1st 2006 - 5th 2007 - 5th
So we have an 8 year period there where we really were pretty poor. Yet people still think we have a god given right to just always be competing for a grand slam/title.
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Posted: 11 March 2022 at 4:06pm |
Don't think anyone has suggested some god given right - all we are suggesting is that we employ a top, professional coaching team & be the best we can be.
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Posted: 11 March 2022 at 4:59pm |
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Don't think anyone has suggested some god given right - all we are suggesting is that we employ a top, professional coaching team & be the best we can be. |
But if the best they can be is 4th due to the quality of players, then no need to moan is there.
Rather than when we are clearly doing alright, nothing great, nothing awful, but people are calling for the coaches head and think a new coach will result in world domination.
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Posted: 11 March 2022 at 5:13pm |
Sosban89 wrote:
GPR - Rochester wrote:
Don't think anyone has suggested some god given right - all we are suggesting is that we employ a top, professional coaching team & be the best we can be. |
But if the best they can be is 4th due to the quality of players, then no need to moan is there.
Rather than when we are clearly doing alright, nothing great, nothing awful, but people are calling for the coaches head and think a new coach will result in world domination.
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there is when we hear our coach bemoaning his own players to the media or doing daft things like playing wings in the centre etc. A new coach won’t see world domination but it will see an improvement on pivac
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Posted: 11 March 2022 at 8:37pm |
We look very Wales like at the moment. Don't look like we are getting anywhere with the ball. A lot of one up runners with no support leading to easy to turnovers.
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Posted: 11 March 2022 at 9:48pm |
12, 13 for Wales should be nowhere near this Welsh squad. It’s absolutely embarrassing how bad this Welsh backline is. We keep going backwards then we kick
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