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Originally posted by hartson11 hartson11 wrote:

After watching Ospreys v Bulls, it's hugely concerning how the Ospreys were bullied, and generally outplayed in a match where the scoreline flattered them greatly.

Tonight they had possibly the Wales summer starting tight 5, Wales' best fit openside, an international half back pairing and Wales summer starting centre partnership potentially. 

Not Earth shattering news but we're in trouble as a nation, this summer and well beyond.
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Originally posted by hartson11 hartson11 wrote:

After watching Ospreys v Bulls, it's hugely concerning how the Ospreys were bullied, and generally outplayed in a match where the scoreline flattered them greatly.

Tonight they had possibly the Wales summer starting tight 5, Wales' best fit openside, an international half back pairing and Wales summer starting centre partnership potentially. 

Not Earth shattering news but we're in trouble as a nation, this summer and well beyond.

Spot on Hartson. Very ominous signs for Pivac with the Ospreys stuck in reverse scrumtime. Even more ominous is the fact that nobody from the Bulls front 5 will probably make the Boks starting team. Another huge area of concern for Pivac was the ease with which Hendricks controlled the midfield.
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So Sam Wainwright has been called up to the welsh squad with Leon Brown injured. Anyone know much about this ex RGC player? What does that say about WGJ's place in the pecking order. If Tomas Francis gets a knock its not going to be pretty viewing at scrumtime. Even with a fully fit & firing first choice front row of Wyn, Ryan & Francis we are going to have our work cut out getting parity at scrum and maul. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

So Sam Wainwright has been called up to the welsh squad with Leon Brown injured. Anyone know much about this ex RGC player? What does that say about WGJ's place in the pecking order. If Tomas Francis gets a knock its not going to be pretty viewing at scrumtime. Even with a fully fit & firing first choice front row of Wyn, Ryan & Francis we are going to have our work cut out getting parity at scrum and maul. 

He's barely featured for Saracens outside of the championship & the premiership cup so I don't know much about him really. It does kind of remind me of the picking of Bradley Roberts really & getting him capped with a view to bringing him to Wales when its contract time.

TBH I don't think WGJ is anywhere near International standard at the minute, I have been less than impressed with him when I have seen him. I firmly have Javan as our starting TH with either Lee or WGJ benching depending on who is fit.
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Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

So Sam Wainwright has been called up to the welsh squad with Leon Brown injured. Anyone know much about this ex RGC player? What does that say about WGJ's place in the pecking order. If Tomas Francis gets a knock its not going to be pretty viewing at scrumtime. Even with a fully fit & firing first choice front row of Wyn, Ryan & Francis we are going to have our work cut out getting parity at scrum and maul. 

He's barely featured for Saracens outside of the championship & the premiership cup so I don't know much about him really. It does kind of remind me of the picking of Bradley Roberts really & getting him capped with a view to bringing him to Wales when its contract time.

TBH I don't think WGJ is anywhere near International standard at the minute, I have been less than impressed with him when I have seen him. I firmly have Javan as our starting TH with either Lee or WGJ benching depending on who is fit.
Exactly Pivac should have capped Javan before Scotland he is much better than the alternatives of Lewis and a bloke who is about 5th choice at Saracens. 
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Tough gig for wainwright with no premiership starts to come on vs the bomb squad, wgj or botha better options??
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Tough gig for wainwright with no premiership starts to come on vs the bomb squad, wgj or botha better options??

Our front row depth is pretty thin especially at tight head. Whoever understudies Francis is going to be in for a tough tour. If they stay fit Wyn, Gareth Thomas, Ryan & Lake should be ok. As Why says the best Welsh based tight head after Francis over the past  few months has been Javan so Pivac's obsession with English based players continues to undermine his statements about preparation time. 
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Couple of pieces of good news for Wales - squad is fully fit with no injury worries. Secondly Pieter Steph du Toit will not be fit for the first test. That means that two of their first choice back row will be missing - Pieter Steph & Duane Vermeulen. Possible first caps for Louw & Roos???

Wales announce their team on Thursday & I will be very interested to see if Pivac is true to his words. Firstly after the Italian debacle he admitted that from now until the World cup he would be selecting his best team available. Secondly he has always stated that his English based players are at a disadvantage due to reduced preparation time. That should mean that Tompkins, Reffell & Wainwright will not see action in the first test. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Couple of pieces of good news for Wales - squad is fully fit with no injury worries. Secondly Pieter Steph du Toit will not be fit for the first test. That means that two of their first choice back row will be missing - Pieter Steph & Duane Vermeulen. Possible first caps for Louw & Roos???

Wales announce their team on Thursday & I will be very interested to see if Pivac is true to his words. Firstly after the Italian debacle he admitted that from now until the World cup he would be selecting his best team available. Secondly he has always stated that his English based players are at a disadvantage due to reduced preparation time. That should mean that Tompkins, Reffell & Wainwright will not see action in the first test. 
To be fair doesn’t he have full access to the English based players for this tour as the domestic season is already over? If so, this is surely the one occasion that it makes precious little difference where the players are based. That said I, like you, have precious little confidence that we’ll see a selection that keeps to what Pivac has previously said, or that has any real chance of winning the match. 
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Originally posted by Jones2004 Jones2004 wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Couple of pieces of good news for Wales - squad is fully fit with no injury worries. Secondly Pieter Steph du Toit will not be fit for the first test. That means that two of their first choice back row will be missing - Pieter Steph & Duane Vermeulen. Possible first caps for Louw & Roos???

Wales announce their team on Thursday & I will be very interested to see if Pivac is true to his words. Firstly after the Italian debacle he admitted that from now until the World cup he would be selecting his best team available. Secondly he has always stated that his English based players are at a disadvantage due to reduced preparation time. That should mean that Tompkins, Reffell & Wainwright will not see action in the first test. 
To be fair doesn’t he have full access to the English based players for this tour as the domestic season is already over? If so, this is surely the one occasion that it makes precious little difference where the players are based. That said I, like you, have precious little confidence that we’ll see a selection that keeps to what Pivac has previously said, or that has any real chance of winning the match. 

He has had access to most English based players but the three mentioned did not join up with Wales until Sunday/Monday of last week due to their involvement in the Gallagher final so Pivac has had precious little time with them as they flew out on Thursday with Friday being recovery & hotel transfer. Sunday, as per the images was a day off so he has had no more access to those 3 than for a normal 6 nations campaign. 

Indeed if the Premiership rules were followed to the letter no English based players would have been eligible to join the squad until after the final. 
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A lot of clamour from people saying that Carre should start as he has improved his work around the park but for me is still a huge potential liability at scrum time. I think it will be Wyn, Ryan & Francis starting but wouldn't be annoyed if Lake started at 2.

In terms of lock surely it has to be Beard & Rowlands starting but then they have dragged AWJ out so that makes me think he will be in line to start. Would like to see a back row of Navidi, Reffell & Faletau but think Pivac will opt for Lydiate, Basham & Faletau.
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Jones2004 Jones2004 wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Couple of pieces of good news for Wales - squad is fully fit with no injury worries. Secondly Pieter Steph du Toit will not be fit for the first test. That means that two of their first choice back row will be missing - Pieter Steph & Duane Vermeulen. Possible first caps for Louw & Roos???

Wales announce their team on Thursday & I will be very interested to see if Pivac is true to his words. Firstly after the Italian debacle he admitted that from now until the World cup he would be selecting his best team available. Secondly he has always stated that his English based players are at a disadvantage due to reduced preparation time. That should mean that Tompkins, Reffell & Wainwright will not see action in the first test. 
To be fair doesn’t he have full access to the English based players for this tour as the domestic season is already over? If so, this is surely the one occasion that it makes precious little difference where the players are based. That said I, like you, have precious little confidence that we’ll see a selection that keeps to what Pivac has previously said, or that has any real chance of winning the match. 

He has had access to most English based players but the three mentioned did not join up with Wales until Sunday/Monday of last week due to their involvement in the Gallagher final so Pivac has had precious little time with them as they flew out on Thursday with Friday being recovery & hotel transfer. Sunday, as per the images was a day off so he has had no more access to those 3 than for a normal 6 nations campaign. 

Indeed if the Premiership rules were followed to the letter no English based players would have been eligible to join the squad until after the final. 

I think I read somewhere that the English based members of the SA squad have arrived back late. The Prem Clubs kept them until the season ended, i.e. after the Prem final.
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Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Jones2004 Jones2004 wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Couple of pieces of good news for Wales - squad is fully fit with no injury worries. Secondly Pieter Steph du Toit will not be fit for the first test. That means that two of their first choice back row will be missing - Pieter Steph & Duane Vermeulen. Possible first caps for Louw & Roos???

Wales announce their team on Thursday & I will be very interested to see if Pivac is true to his words. Firstly after the Italian debacle he admitted that from now until the World cup he would be selecting his best team available. Secondly he has always stated that his English based players are at a disadvantage due to reduced preparation time. That should mean that Tompkins, Reffell & Wainwright will not see action in the first test. 
To be fair doesn’t he have full access to the English based players for this tour as the domestic season is already over? If so, this is surely the one occasion that it makes precious little difference where the players are based. That said I, like you, have precious little confidence that we’ll see a selection that keeps to what Pivac has previously said, or that has any real chance of winning the match. 

He has had access to most English based players but the three mentioned did not join up with Wales until Sunday/Monday of last week due to their involvement in the Gallagher final so Pivac has had precious little time with them as they flew out on Thursday with Friday being recovery & hotel transfer. Sunday, as per the images was a day off so he has had no more access to those 3 than for a normal 6 nations campaign. 

Indeed if the Premiership rules were followed to the letter no English based players would have been eligible to join the squad until after the final. 

I think I read somewhere that the English based members of the SA squad have arrived back late. The Prem Clubs kept them until the season ended, i.e. after the Prem final.

I also read that which is in line with the stated rules. However I know that Biggar & Faletau were in the Vale on 13th/14th June as my mate was staying there those days/nights and spoke to both.
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Wales doing ok gAreth thomas excellent boks 10 dreadful
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Good performance so far. Some dubious penalties but also some professional fouls by wales. Need some possession. They are jumping into the tackle. Reffel is awesome. Another 7 on the seemingly endless conveyer belt of welsh flankers 
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