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    Posted: 26 October 2009 at 12:04pm
At a game on the weekend (DIV 5 West) one team whenever they has a scrum in the opposition 22 or there was a scrum in their 22 they took off one of their props and brought on another one who was a much stronger scrummager. (he was taken off at the next stop of play). This was done on 6 occasions during the game, is this legal? The starting prop was not injured - infact he finished the game, nor was there any blood - the referee said this was ok, I do not agree?
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Originally posted by pontystars7 pontystars7 wrote:

At a game on the weekend (DIV 5 West) one team whenever they has a scrum in the opposition 22 or there was a scrum in their 22 they took off one of their props and brought on another one who was a much stronger scrummager. (he was taken off at the next stop of play). This was done on 6 occasions during the game, is this legal? The starting prop was not injured - infact he finished the game, nor was there any blood - the referee said this was ok, I do not agree?
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Quite frankly NO !!!!
 
You can't interchange players at will, You can
 
"SUBSTITUTE" - To change a player Tactically
 
or
 
"REPLACE" - To Replace an injured player.
 
A Substituted player can come back on to cover a blood binned player, only until such time as the Blood Binned player returns. If he fails to return within the allotted 10 min treatment time, the Blood Injury is deemed to be a relacement, & The covering player must also leave the field.
 
A "Replaced" player can NOT rejoin the game!
 
Are you sure this was a "League" game not a Freindly where rolling replacements could have been agreed beforehand ?
 
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What was the fixture ?
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Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by pontystars7 pontystars7 wrote:

At a game on the weekend (DIV 5 West) one team whenever they has a scrum in the opposition 22 or there was a scrum in their 22 they took off one of their props and brought on another one who was a much stronger scrummager. (he was taken off at the next stop of play). This was done on 6 occasions during the game, is this legal? The starting prop was not injured - infact he finished the game, nor was there any blood - the referee said this was ok, I do not agree?
Comments please.
Quite frankly NO !!!!
 
You can't interchange players at will, You can
 
"SUBSTITUTE" - To change a player Tactically
 
or
 
"REPLACE" - To Replace an injured player.
 
A Substituted player can come back on to cover a blood binned player, only until such time as the Blood Binned player returns. If he fails to return within the allotted 10 min treatment time, the Blood Injury is deemed to be a relacement, & The covering player must also leave the field.
 
A "Replaced" player can NOT rejoin the game!
 
Are you sure this was a "League" game not a Freindly where rolling replacements could have been agreed beforehand ?
 


Is it not 15 minutes treatment time now???
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Ohh, slipping scarletman! Wink

3.10 TEMPORARY REPLACEMENT

(a) When a player leaves the field to have bleeding controlled and/or have an open wound covered, that player may be temporarily replaced. If the player who has been temporarily replaced does not return to the field of play within 15 minutes (actual time) of leaving the playing area, the replacement becomes permanent and the replaced player must not return to the field of play.
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Originally posted by Alun Alun wrote:

Ohh, slipping scarletman! Wink

3.10 TEMPORARY REPLACEMENT

(a) When a player leaves the field to have bleeding controlled and/or have an open wound covered, that player may be temporarily replaced. If the player who has been temporarily replaced does not return to the field of play within 15 minutes (actual time) of leaving the playing area, the replacement becomes permanent and the replaced player must not return to the field of play.
OK Al ...... so the Law changed in 2001 (old git me !) Confused 
 
I still can't see how this interchange could happen can you ?
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Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by Alun Alun wrote:

Ohh, slipping scarletman! Wink

3.10 TEMPORARY REPLACEMENT

(a) When a player leaves the field to have bleeding controlled and/or have an open wound covered, that player may be temporarily replaced. If the player who has been temporarily replaced does not return to the field of play within 15 minutes (actual time) of leaving the playing area, the replacement becomes permanent and the replaced player must not return to the field of play.
OK Al ...... so the Law changed in 2001 (old git me !) Confused 
 
I still can't see how this interchange could happen can you ?


Certainly not.
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The game was Division 5 West - Llangwm v Pontyates, the referee was challenged by the Pontyates captain during the game and by the Pontyates coach at half time but he said he was ok with the "rolling subs".
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Who won the game, did it affect the result?
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Originally posted by Scarletstarch Scarletstarch wrote:

Who won the game, did it affect the result?
Of course !! Either way Rolling Subs are NOT part of Rugby Union (other than a freindly fixture where it has been agreed by both sides prior to kick off).
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I find this hard to believe that a Division 5 ref had allowed this...

Was he wearing a White / Blue / Orange Under Armour jersey, did you notice?
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Thanks for your responses gents, Llangwm won 31 - 15, wouldn't really say it effected the result but a lot of people didn't understand how the ref was letting Llangwm get away with it, even a Llangwm supporter raised a concern of it not being in the "spirit of the game".
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I agree this is not possible...it could happen as said above for blood or for an injury (a substituted player can come on for an injured player in the front row) but as said above the injured player may not return to the pitch under any circumstances.
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