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    Posted: 03 January 2023 at 11:34am
Thought I'd kick this off, love boxing so looking forward to this fight between Olexsandr Usyk and the giant Tyson Fury.

Been watching both religiously and I've got a feeling Usyk can win this, even though Fury has a massive size and arm length advantage, Uysk is genuine south paw boxer who can really box and take a punch, take lots of punches and his Ukrainian heart is formidable. 
Can't wait for this tbh.




Edited by lofty evans - 03 January 2023 at 11:34am
In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"
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First tine fury will face a guy wuth quicker hands and better foot and head movement, an intresting fight that is for sure. Size apart uysk holds most of the advantages here but size is a huge thing in boxing
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

First tine fury will face a guy wuth quicker hands and better foot and head movement, an intresting fight that is for sure. Size apart uysk holds most of the advantages here but size is a huge thing in boxing

It's definitely David v Goliath


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I'll probably watch this fight as I genuinely think Usyk will win.
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Yeah Id go with usyk too, but wont bet any money on it....Fury has always been under rated and written off for years....Hes unorthodox and doesnt look particularly athletic but hes massively effective 
Great to get 2 serious world class undefeted heavy weight champs go toe to toe for the undisputed crown
There can be only 1 .....
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I’d like to joshua and wolder to, be plenty of action there!0
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

I’d like to joshua and wolder to, be plenty of action there!0

Seems like Joshua is being lined up for 3 big fights this year, but Usyk made him look ordinary regardless of his huge size and power.
Looks like an exciting boxing year.

On another note what would a Mike Tyson v Fury in their prime had been like...as a contest, Fury is a bit of a freak for his size and Mike was deadly with his hitting combinations ...hit so hard in stomach your guard would drop and he would drop you with his uppercut, super super effective and he done it again and again and again. Love boxing.


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I do understand the excitement around the fight but my overwhelming feeling is  a series of questions all beginning with why???? The rugby ruling bodies are facing enormous claims which could bankrupt the game for damage associated with head knocks. 

Yet here we have a "sport" which encourages participants to actually knock out their victims. In what parallel universe does this make any sense? My hard hat is on so feel free.Ouch
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People will always take part in and want to watch combat sports, if you outlaw them theyll just go underground, there will be less medical care less health checks less weight scrutiny, more people die riding horses than do boxing. Boxing is good for fitmess , duscipline and self confidence. Yes there are risks but there is an element of risk in anything active no one is forced to take up or compete in boxing and the art of boxing is to hit but not get hit, Persomally i’d like to brought into schools

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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

I do understand the excitement around the fight but my overwhelming feeling is  a series of questions all beginning with why???? The rugby ruling bodies are facing enormous claims which could bankrupt the game for damage associated with head knocks. 

Yet here we have a "sport" which encourages participants to actually knock out their victims. In what parallel universe does this make any sense? My hard hat is on so feel free.Ouch

If your looking at a possible reason , take a look at the film fight club....an interesting view point
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I’d be wary of these white collar stuff, you can easily get a mis match in weight or in terms of experience. One thing i would say most boxing gyms are full of kids who would otherwise be out on the streets getting up to goodness knows what. Boxing is cetainly a way for some kids to literally fight their way out of poverty. It is also a really good way to develop charchter if you can walk through a  baying crowd take those steps into the ring and do your best when it’s literally one on one  you are already a winner regardless of the result.  Back on the fury topic if can get past uysk aj amd joyce he proably surpasses lennox as our best ever heavyweight

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I'm afraid I've heard all the reasons many times before - fight your way out of poverty, good for discipline etc but the reality is always the same. Encouraging head contact multiple times per 3 minutes will inevitably lead to health damage.

Deaths from horse riding may be more than in the ring but I wonder if a long term study has been done to gauge the longer term health damage to boxers in general. I would have a wager that the study would find far greater deterioration than shall we say for jockeys. 

The final reason of it would drive it underground is not really a reason is it - its a cop out. Why ban anything in this world if it will drive it underground. For sure if it went underground with no TV coverage, no sports washing finance from Saudi land, no massive TV/newspaper build up, no sell out Wembleys - far less money would be available so far less participation. Personally I admire the physical conditioning & dedication of the top boxers but that doesn't make it acceptable. It is barbaric full stop.
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One further point - more people die on the road every year than on a rugby field so does that mean that the hundreds of past players, many in their 40's, don't really have a case - of course not. Does it mean that their diagnoses of early onset dementia most probably caused by repeated head trauma are mistaken.

Shades of global warming denial if that is the case.
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

I'm afraid I've heard all the reasons many times before - fight your way out of poverty, good for discipline etc but the reality is always the same. Encouraging head contact multiple times per 3 minutes will inevitably lead to health damage.

Deaths from horse riding may be more than in the ring but I wonder if a long term study has been done to gauge the longer term health damage to boxers in general. I would have a wager that the study would find far greater deterioration than shall we say for jockeys. 

The final reason of it would drive it underground is not really a reason is it - its a cop out. Why ban anything in this world if it will drive it underground. For sure if it went underground with no TV coverage, no sports washing finance from Saudi land, no massive TV/newspaper build up, no sell out Wembleys - far less money would be available so far less participation. Personally I admire the physical conditioning & dedication of the top boxers but that doesn't make it acceptable. It is barbaric full stop.
prizefighting has been happeming for humdreds of years. It won’t stop if you ban it . People will rightly or wrongly always want to see and be willing to pay to see people fight and  to gamble on the outcome. I boxed as a kid and in the army it was something i enjoyed doing , i respect your views on the matter but i remain unashamedly pro boxing and i always will be. Will my health suffer in the future? Maybe but that was my choice to make. Compare that to say fox hunting or coursing and to me they are barbaric past times

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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

I'm afraid I've heard all the reasons many times before - fight your way out of poverty, good for discipline etc but the reality is always the same. Encouraging head contact multiple times per 3 minutes will inevitably lead to health damage.

Deaths from horse riding may be more than in the ring but I wonder if a long term study has been done to gauge the longer term health damage to boxers in general. I would have a wager that the study would find far greater deterioration than shall we say for jockeys. 

The final reason of it would drive it underground is not really a reason is it - its a cop out. Why ban anything in this world if it will drive it underground. For sure if it went underground with no TV coverage, no sports washing finance from Saudi land, no massive TV/newspaper build up, no sell out Wembleys - far less money would be available so far less participation. Personally I admire the physical conditioning & dedication of the top boxers but that doesn't make it acceptable. It is barbaric full stop.
prizefighting has been happeming for humdreds of years. It won’t stop if you ban it . People will rightly or wrongly always want to see and be willing to pay to see people fight and  to gamble on the outcome. I boxed as a kid and in the army it was something i enjoyed doing , i respect your views on the matter but i remain unashamedly pro boxing and i always will be. Will my health suffer in the future? Maybe but that was my choice to make. Compare that to say fox hunting or coursing and to me they are barbaric past times

I agree with you about fox hunting & coursing. For sure there will always be a market for prize fighting but the point I am making is that if you take away massive income potential then you dramatically reduce numbers thereby dramatically reducing the numbers being harmed. 
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Theres zillions of dangerous sports and activities, including rugby, rock climbing, speedway, car racing, horse riding, sumo, judo, mixed martial arts, etc But maybe more can be done to help with the safetly aspect of boxing (and other sports)
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