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Ffidel Bennett 
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Of course they don't want Owen Smith as leader. As Tyrone O'Sullivan said he's just a stalking horse, being used by the Blairite plotters and will be discarded in the unlikely event of him being elected, but, again, as O'Sullivan implied he's not even bright enough to see this.
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Theresa May is rubbing her hands with glee.
Unfortunately you now need two thirds of MPs to call a snap general election, which equates to around 430 MPs. May won't get this amount of support. |
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I have said it all along I can't see why she would want an election anytime until 2020. It will be one of the biggest political miracles of recent times if there is a credible anti Tory option by 2020, almost as big a miracle as if Blair escapes punishment for war crimes.
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The Tory backbenchers are already ganging up demanding she doesn't cut a deal for a "soft Brexit". Unless we go for draconian immigration policies, they won't be happy and will cause all sorts of problems with her slim majority. If she calls an election, she will win by a landslide and the backbenchers will be less of a problem (remember Major's problems on Europe with his 21 majority which was slowly whittled down during his parliamentary period). The downside for her is that Corbyn would probably resign and then she'd face a leader with a backbone. |
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You may be correct Abbey but I just don't see the Brexit deal being soft. I don't think May wants a soft deal. She shares her backbenchers desire for the UK to stand up to the French & Germans & get a fair deal which, after all, is in everyone's interests. I think the UK government are far more aligned behind their leader than the German & French governments who face mounting fears/opposition regarding terrorism and their handling of the immigration issues. Not to forget, of course, they both face elections next year.
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As you say, who knows! I can see Europe being tough on a trade deal which will have to be tied up with immigration. Anything short of closed borders may be unacceptable to some Conservatives (and the old colonels supporting them). Europe will try and show that exiting the EU is problematic and financially disadvantageous to us. It's all very well Liam Fox pointing to VW exports for the Germans and wine for the French, but we're not dealing directly with the French and Germans, so God only knows what the Estonians and Poles will do. Additionally, Spain want to make this as hard as possible in order to dissuade the Basques and Catalans. |
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Does the Labour party currently have anyone with backbone? Kinnock junior? McDonald the Red?
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Of course it wouldn't be Owen Smith. If Corbyn resigned after an election, you'd get all sorts standing (assuming the Labour Party will still be in one piece). Not endorsing or dismissing anyone, you'd get people such as Kinnock, Jarvis and Ummuna amongst many more. On the subject of Pfizer - couple of things. Not defending them but they're doing good work with Sickle Cell treatment and other haemoglobinopathies. They're a business, so what do you expect? Give away their intellectual property for nothing? The NHS runs a lot of their drug trials and charges Pfizer pretty sums as income generation. Of course, they're all at it as Corbyn was paid £150 per hour for nine lectures on behalf of Capita - a company that isn't merely accused of profiting from the NHS, like Pfizer, but one that actually runs contracted out privatised NHS services. |
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Abbey said -"On the subject of Pfizer - couple of things. Not defending them but they're doing good work with Sickle Cell treatment and other haemoglobinopathies. They're a business, so what do you expect? Give away their intellectual property for nothing?
The NHS runs a lot of their drug trials and charges Pfizer pretty sums as income generation." If that's not a defence, then I'm Winston Churchill. But most years they spend much more on Advertising an Marketing than they do on Research and Development and as little as possible in taxes despite their huge profits. |
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Well, Winston, I can only speak from experience at the coal face rather than read about these things.
I've done R&D work for many biomedical companies and manufacturers in my time and produced or contributed to papers and posters. We charge a good rate and bring in good money (signed off on a $50,000 project only today). Our last project has saved the NHS £1.2M as the pharmaceutical product is being given FOC for the lifetime of the patients on the trial so the NHS doesn't have to purchase the transfusion product from its usual supplier. Business isn't always an abomination and companies like Pfizer aren't always out to screw the public purse. I can give you plenty of other examples. I've never been paid £150 an hour to lecture on behalf of any outsourcing company, though. |
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[QUOTE=Abbey]Well, Winston, I can only speak from experience at the coal face rather than read about these things.
I've done R&D work for many biomedical companies and manufacturers in my time and produced or contributed to papers and posters. We charge a good rate and bring in good money (signed off on a $50,000 project only today). Our last project has saved the NHS £1.2M as the pharmaceutical product is being given FOC for the lifetime of the patients on the trial so the NHS doesn't have to purchase the transfusion product from its usual supplier. Business isn't always an abomination and companies like Pfizer aren't always out to screw the public purse. I can give you plenty of other examples. I've never been paid £150 an hour to lecture on behalf of any outsourcing company, though. And silly me, I thought that the whole purpose of a corporation like Pfizer was to maximize return to their share holders, by maximising profits through whatever means that they can get away with, and that their CEO's won't last long unless they do this at least as well as their rivals.
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Omri - you really are a conceited piece of work.
By all means have your snide little remarks, but don't ever have the audacity to criticise my colleagues in the NHS. They are worth a million of you. Look forward to seeing you in the foyer of the South Stand this season. |
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Time for another sabbatical - away from the stench of one poster in particular. I'm not the only one to have found him obnoxious.
Ah, well - the air is clearer away from here. |
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Abbey. Who's criticising your friends in the NHS? I'm criticising the private companies making a bomb out of the NHS, who you seem to be defending. Nice try at creating a distraction though.
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