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KID A
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Posted: 15 April 2013 at 2:03pm |
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On the weekend, Nigel Owens refered a decision to the TMO. He asked him "Try yes or no"?
A player then went up to Nigel and said "Sor, sor, why did ye not ask t'other question sor?" i.e - why didn't he ask "Is there any reason I can't award the try" And Nigel's response was, "I can only ask the other question if I thought he'd scored, but I'm not certain" So, is this a referee directive that Nigel is employing? |
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PearlJam
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I always thought the referee's questions to the TMO were quite arbitrary. But he seems to be implying there is two-options:
"Try, yes or no" - the referee has no idea if the ball has been grounded over the white wash "Is there any reason why I may not award the try" - his bias is that he believes it to be a try But when you refer it to the TMO - he's looking to see if the ball was grounded, so the phrasing of the question is irrelevant isn't it? The TMOs in the northern hemisphere aren't looking for foul-play, knock-ons, forward passes or what not in the build up so they are just looking for grounding. When it gets into Super Rugby territory - and whether or not their rules come up here - then the question becomes a bit more critical I guess. "Take it back two phases, any foul play in the build up / was there a foot in touch". How many phases can they take the play back to (maximum) out of interest? |
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PJ, only one phase I believe in the trial in the Aviva Premiership.
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aber-fan
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No idea - but at the weekend, a try was awarded by the TMO, even though it resulted from an illegal quick throw-in in the in goal area. Can any of the refs out there explain how that happened??? |
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haydn_davies
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...and the try scorer had a foot in touch when he caught the ball before moving it immediately before grounding the ball. |
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Indeed! I forgot that bit! |
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Pearl Jam, you are in the wrong career path ....
Two Questions can be asked of the TMO
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aber-fan
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Scarletman, you've answered the first Q - fair enough - (most of us knew this) - but have you any rational explanation as to why the TMO at the weekend awarded the try which was clearly illegal? |
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No, as I didn't see the game ! |
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JacMorgan
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It looked to me as if the TMO had made a shocking decision which sometimes happens
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There's been some shocking tmo calls this season, our try against the Dragons, Ospreys try v Treviso, Fenby's non try v the Ospreys, etc. etc. etc.
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