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RR1972
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btw can Scarletman or anyone else confirm that if the ball is stripped off an opponent but goes forward towards the line your attacking that it is still a knock on?
I was under the impression it was? |
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aber-fan
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Thanks for reminding me of that - the memory plays tricks, at my age! Found this highlights clip on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGFFu8u0wlc I'd also forgotten it was the day Henson made his name with that penalty - pity he frittered away his talent by adopting a celebrity life-style. |
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scarletman
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A knock-on occurs when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it. ‘Forward’ means towards the opposing team’s dead ball line. |
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haydn_davies
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Funilly enough, that's what it says about a forward pass in the law book too. But some fool has bought in the 'hands' now!! |
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RR1972
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so if I tackle you one on one and I strip the ball off you in contact and it goes forward towards the line I'm attacking without it being caught that's a knock on? I like the hands backward rule myself at least awards attacking play |
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KID A
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It says "PASSED" forward not "TRAVELS" forward. |
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aber-fan
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Whereas we could argue about what to do WRT balls travelling forward as a result of 'relative velocity', far too many refs - especially SH refs - don't spot or call forward passes which travel a short distance to a supporting runner. If the ball only travels 1 or 2 metres from passer to catcher, even if both are running forwards flat out, it won't travel far forward as a result of relative velocity. So either these refs are blind, or they're too thick to understand that the 'drift' which can occur is only significant when the ball has travelled quite a distance to the catcher! (This is another reason why it's probably not a good idea to introduce these get-out clauses - people get confused.) |
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scarletman
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The essence is in the hand movement ... if the hand travel backward towards his own dead ball line, even by a tiny fraction, then the pass is backwards ! If the wind or players momentum causes the ball to travel in the opposite direction the it is not the pass that has caused this ! So in effect the "pass" is the time up to the split second the ball leaves the players hands !
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