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Had we given these boys a chance then we would know, picking the same players who make the same mistakes every week does not make for good decisions. Costellow was picked before Dwayne came to us Patchell was injured at start of season so he had no choice and Sam has taken his chance really well. 
We have tried the old guard nothing to lose by playing the youngsters. A Back line of Blacker Sam Eddie James Baldwin Rogers Doel Conbeer and Mcnicoll surely worth a try. Joe Roberts would be there but he got bad injury so I am led to believe.

She asks why i still can't answer. I guess its in the blood.
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  Baldwin played very little rugby at 13, so coaches all levels and his a winger for me. 

    With regards Eddie James a bit mixed, he as been used mostly at 12 and a  battering ram. 
 He as more to his game than that and playing in a poorly coached RFC team is not helping. Three wins in two seasons tells you everything. 
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Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Had we given these boys a chance then we would know, picking the same players who make the same mistakes every week does not make for good decisions. Costellow was picked before Dwayne came to us Patchell was injured at start of season so he had no choice and Sam has taken his chance really well. 
We have tried the old guard nothing to lose by playing the youngsters. A Back line of Blacker Sam Eddie James Baldwin Rogers Doel Conbeer and Mcnicoll surely worth a try. Joe Roberts would be there but he got bad injury so I am led to believe.




I thought Peel and Costelow arrived for the 2020/1 season (together I mean), might be wrong.

Baldwin has missed some key years of development in to any position, he’s 24 now. To me he is a player (like Ioan Nicholas) …very useful cover for 11-15,
I’d rather see us tune in on Roberts and James at centre as the next option going forward ( albeit Roberts injury record is a concern, he’s not available for SA either).

We have regularly picked O’ Connor in front of WGJ ( and Sebastian at times), Steff Thomas ( and now Kemsley) in front of Phil Price. Jac Price when he’s been available. Costelow always before Patch, Conbeer and/ or Tom Rogers before Steff Evs on the wing.

The slight concern is how many mid/long term injuries the likes of Tuipolotu, Price, Jones, Dan Davis, Roberts, Callum and other younger guys pick up, or perhaps how much rugby they miss in those key development years between 20-23.
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Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Had we given these boys a chance then we would know, picking the same players who make the same mistakes every week does not make for good decisions. Costellow was picked before Dwayne came to us Patchell was injured at start of season so he had no choice and Sam has taken his chance really well. 
We have tried the old guard nothing to lose by playing the youngsters. A Back line of Blacker Sam Eddie James Baldwin Rogers Doel Conbeer and Mcnicoll surely worth a try. Joe Roberts would be there but he got bad injury so I am led to believe.




I thought Peel and Costelow arrived for the 2020/1 season (together I mean), might be wrong.

Baldwin has missed some key years of development in to any position, he’s 24 now. To me he is a player (like Ioan Nicholas) …very useful cover for 11-15,
I’d rather see us tune in on Roberts and James at centre as the next option going forward ( albeit Roberts injury record is a concern, he’s not available for SA either).

We have regularly picked O’ Connor in front of WGJ ( and Sebastian at times), Steff Thomas ( and now Kemsley) in front of Phil Price. Jac Price when he’s been available. Costelow always before Patch, Conbeer and/ or Tom Rogers before Steff Evs on the wing.

The slight concern is how many mid/long term injuries the likes of Tuipolotu, Price, Jones, Dan Davis, Roberts, Callum and other younger guys pick up, or perhaps how much rugby they miss in those key development years between 20-23.
Peel joined us for the 21/22 season, one year after Sam
We're still still here, but I wish we were in an Anglo-Welsh
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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by crj89 crj89 wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

No point in getting excited about Doel, Dwayne will never pick him, he doesn’t give youth a chance. I also wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up at the Ospreys. 

Is that the same coach who gave Costelow the nod ahead of the more experienced Patchell? The same Costelow that went on to win his 1st cap last week. 

We’ve seen the likes of Rogers, Conbeer, Roberts, Tuipulotu, J.Price, M.Jones, Mathias, O’Connor, Hughes, Blacker given considerably more game time than what they’ve had with Peels predecessors, all of which look like they could be high quality regional players for the foreseeable.
The majority of them are because we have so many injuries and have no choice other than to play some of them named he is also the same coach who would rather plat steff evans out of position rather than play baldwin or eddie james.

The same Baldwin who left us to play for Exeter to further his English career, yet didn’t get picked by one of the best coaches in the UK, Baxter? They all must be out of their depth not to pick him yeah?


Forgive me if I’m wrong but isn’t Eddie James an inside centre? Unfortunately for him we’re stacked there with international quality. Not even Steff Hughes retained for that position.
so on that basis we shouldn't pick foxy and scott as they both left and came back?when baldwin has played he has done well (out of position) whereas steff has been struggling for form for a number of seasons but hey ho lets play players out of position as it seems thet's what pivac does as well lets give baldwin a chance in his position and if he bombs i will be the first to tell that rob baxter and dwayne were right all along.
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Had we given these boys a chance then we would know, picking the same players who make the same mistakes every week does not make for good decisions. Costellow was picked before Dwayne came to us Patchell was injured at start of season so he had no choice and Sam has taken his chance really well. 
We have tried the old guard nothing to lose by playing the youngsters. A Back line of Blacker Sam Eddie James Baldwin Rogers Doel Conbeer and Mcnicoll surely worth a try. Joe Roberts would be there but he got bad injury so I am led to believe.




I thought Peel and Costelow arrived for the 2020/1 season (together I mean), might be wrong.

Baldwin has missed some key years of development in to any position, he’s 24 now. To me he is a player (like Ioan Nicholas) …very useful cover for 11-15,
I’d rather see us tune in on Roberts and James at centre as the next option going forward ( albeit Roberts injury record is a concern, he’s not available for SA either).

We have regularly picked O’ Connor in front of WGJ ( and Sebastian at times), Steff Thomas ( and now Kemsley) in front of Phil Price. Jac Price when he’s been available. Costelow always before Patch, Conbeer and/ or Tom Rogers before Steff Evs on the wing.

The slight concern is how many mid/long term injuries the likes of Tuipolotu, Price, Jones, Dan Davis, Roberts, Callum and other younger guys pick up, or perhaps how much rugby they miss in those key development years between 20-23.
I’m glad it’s only a slight concern I’m really worried this goes back longer than Dwayne but he not helping in his selections. 
He has had not much choice up front due to injuries but in the backs he has had plenty of opportunities, to pick Stef Evans in the centre is a joke. 
WGJ has been biggest disappointment we have signed that I can remember. 
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Can’t disagree on WGJ. No clue what’s gone on there at all.
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Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Had we given these boys a chance then we would know, picking the same players who make the same mistakes every week does not make for good decisions. Costellow was picked before Dwayne came to us Patchell was injured at start of season so he had no choice and Sam has taken his chance really well. 
We have tried the old guard nothing to lose by playing the youngsters. A Back line of Blacker Sam Eddie James Baldwin Rogers Doel Conbeer and Mcnicoll surely worth a try. Joe Roberts would be there but he got bad injury so I am led to believe.




I thought Peel and Costelow arrived for the 2020/1 season (together I mean), might be wrong.

Baldwin has missed some key years of development in to any position, he’s 24 now. To me he is a player (like Ioan Nicholas) …very useful cover for 11-15,
I’d rather see us tune in on Roberts and James at centre as the next option going forward ( albeit Roberts injury record is a concern, he’s not available for SA either).

We have regularly picked O’ Connor in front of WGJ ( and Sebastian at times), Steff Thomas ( and now Kemsley) in front of Phil Price. Jac Price when he’s been available. Costelow always before Patch, Conbeer and/ or Tom Rogers before Steff Evs on the wing.

The slight concern is how many mid/long term injuries the likes of Tuipolotu, Price, Jones, Dan Davis, Roberts, Callum and other younger guys pick up, or perhaps how much rugby they miss in those key development years between 20-23.

Peel joined us for the 21/22 season, one year after Sam


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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by crj89 crj89 wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by crj89 crj89 wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

No point in getting excited about Doel, Dwayne will never pick him, he doesn’t give youth a chance. I also wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up at the Ospreys. 

Is that the same coach who gave Costelow the nod ahead of the more experienced Patchell? The same Costelow that went on to win his 1st cap last week. 

We’ve seen the likes of Rogers, Conbeer, Roberts, Tuipulotu, J.Price, M.Jones, Mathias, O’Connor, Hughes, Blacker given considerably more game time than what they’ve had with Peels predecessors, all of which look like they could be high quality regional players for the foreseeable.
The majority of them are because we have so many injuries and have no choice other than to play some of them named he is also the same coach who would rather plat steff evans out of position rather than play baldwin or eddie james.

The same Baldwin who left us to play for Exeter to further his English career, yet didn’t get picked by one of the best coaches in the UK, Baxter? They all must be out of their depth not to pick him yeah?


Forgive me if I’m wrong but isn’t Eddie James an inside centre? Unfortunately for him we’re stacked there with international quality. Not even Steff Hughes retained for that position.
so on that basis we shouldn't pick foxy and scott as they both left and came back?when baldwin has played he has done well (out of position) whereas steff has been struggling for form for a number of seasons but hey ho lets play players out of position as it seems thet's what pivac does as well lets give baldwin a chance in his position and if he bombs i will be the first to tell that rob baxter and dwayne were right all along.

Slightly different scenarios, when in a hole stop digging springs to mind. Every top coach picked foxy, he was one of the top outside centres in the world. Scott Just didn’t settle at the Os and was picked consistently for them when fit. Baldwin to my knowledge had no injury issues at Exeter, just didn’t get picked due to the quality ahead of him. 2 appearances in 2 years tells you everything you need to know. Are you trying to imply that my comments on Baldwin were based solely on him being a returning player? 
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No i wasn't it was you who brought up the fact that he returned you've hit the nail on the head saying about the quality ahead of him at exeter do we have that quality at the scarlets?if so why have we put  an out of form winger in the centre let's just play him in his preferred position before you pass judgement.
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  Baldwin played very little rugby at 13, so coaches all levels and his a winger for me. 

    With regards Eddie James a bit mixed, he as been used mostly at 12 and a  battering ram. 
 He as more to his game than that and playing in a poorly coached RFC team is not helping. Three wins in two seasons tells you everything. 

I have to disagree with you on that one. Throughout his age grade years Cory was a 13. When he broke through with the Scarlets he was, I thought, eased into the team by turning out at wing but he is & always has been a 13 who can play wing. The quality at the time when he came through meant he had to bide his time. Then he had the Exeter chance. Who wouldn't have taken that in his position. It didn't work out because they had some serious quality ahead of him at centre. On returning to PYS I would have thought he would have seen time at 13 with Foxy's drop off in form and injury to Roberts. 

Clearly he will be thinking that if Steff Evans is selected ahead of him at 13 it is time to re-think his opportunities. I just hope that in a few years time we are not sitting here seeing him smash it at 13 for a competitor. 
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Like Exeter🤨😀
Dragons maybe worked for steff hughesWink
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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Like Exeter🤨😀

Dragons maybe worked for steff hughesWink

..like Osian Knott for the Ospreys.

Edited by Wil Chips - 13 November 2022 at 11:11am
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Like Exeter🤨😀

Dragons maybe worked for steff hughesWink

..like Osian Knott for the Ospreys.

How about Josh Adams at Worcester, Cardiff, Wales & Lions. Cry
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The reality is Baldwin has played very few consecutive games at 13 since his time with Llandovery about 5 years ago - I doubt he has managed much more than 15-20 games since and not all of those starts. He needs to play , I would just pair him and James together for the RFC side to see how they go together and after Baldwin has had 10 or 12 consecutive games for the RFC think about reintegrating him into the regional squad.
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