Harri Doel

GPR - Rochester wrote: Wil Chips wrote: ladram wrote: Wil Chips wrote: Like Exeter🤨😀 Dragons maybe worked for steff hughes ..like Osian Knott for the Ospreys. How about Josh Adams at Worcester, Cardiff, Wales & Lions.

Yep. Think the point is for every Josh Adams, Dan Thomas, Gareth Thomas there’s a player where it didn’t go to plan ( like Knott, Doel, Baldwin).

reesytheexile wrote: Wil Chips wrote: Wasp wrote: Wil Chips wrote: Why wrote: Had we given these boys a chance then we would know, picking the same players who make the same mistakes every week does not make for good decisions. Costellow was picked before Dwayne came to us Patchell was injured at start of season so he had no choice and Sam has taken his chance really well.  We have tried the old guard nothing to lose by playing the youngsters. A Back line of Blacker Sam Eddie James Baldwin Rogers Doel Conbeer and Mcnicoll surely worth a try. Joe Roberts would be there but he got bad injury so I am led to believe. I thought Peel and Costelow arrived for the 2020/1 season (together I mean), might be wrong. Baldwin has missed some key years of development in to any position, he’s 24 now. To me he is a player (like Ioan Nicholas) …very useful cover for 11-15, I’d rather see us tune in on Roberts and James at centre as the next option going forward ( albeit Roberts injury record is a concern, he’s not available for SA either). We have regularly picked O’ Connor in front of WGJ ( and Sebastian at times), Steff Thomas ( and now Kemsley) in front of Phil Price. Jac Price when he’s been available. Costelow always before Patch, Conbeer and/ or Tom Rogers before Steff Evs on the wing. The slight concern is how many mid/long term injuries the likes of Tuipolotu, Price, Jones, Dan Davis, Roberts, Callum and other younger guys pick up, or perhaps how much rugby they miss in those key development years between 20-23. Peel joined us for the 21/22 season, one year after Sam My bad. Wasn’t bringing Sam here another Glenn Daleney Leicester achievement on top of Jonny and our great 8 ? 🤔

Steady.

Wil Chips wrote: ladram wrote: Wil Chips wrote: Like Exeter🤨😀 Dragons maybe worked for steff hughes ..like Osian Knott for the Ospreys.

ladram wrote: Wil Chips wrote: ladram wrote: Wil Chips wrote: Like Exeter🤨😀 Dragons maybe worked for steff hughes ..like Osian Knott for the Ospreys. total respect for you wil but that was like one of the more petulant posters.

Sorry you see it that way, but I just disagree on your points. I also couldn't see the relevance of quoting Steff Hughes (sorry if I missed it).

Unlike Steff, Corey decided to leave the Scarlets and join Exeter on a 3 year deal ( despite being offered a deal/we wanted to keep him).
Being English qualified helped. Unfortunately it didn't work out and Exeter released him a year early from his contract.

The evidence seems strong that over the 4 years neither the Scarlets nor Exeter have seen Baldwin as a front line center. Your take is you think they are wrong. I don't actually.

I think players, backs more than forwards ( backs seem to come through quicker) that miss out on first team rugby ( be it through injury or non selection) in those key development years of somewhere between 20-24 get overtaken by other youngsters who have the good fortune to have an injury free run, and get picked regularly.

Osian was just my example of this. It wasn't meant to be petulant. He has had some really bad knocks and been unlucky, but he's 23 in a few weeks, and yet to start a senior game of regional rugby.
He rolled the dice to leave us and join the Ospreys, just like Baldwin did for Exeter ,no issue with that, it just that it hasn't worked out for him - it still could for sure, but it's looking less likely at the O's as they seem to prefer Tianne Thomas Wheeler, Kieron williams and Joe Hawkins- all younger or similar age, when not picking Watkin, North or Collins at center.

Yep, he just needs a period of time (luck in other words) where he can be available for a run of games.