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    Posted: 25 February 2023 at 2:52pm
Just seen their 9 run into an Italian shoulder then dive like Tom Daley holding his neck. Same as Sexton in game 1. Clear and obvious attempt to get a card. 
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Originally posted by Lincscarlet Lincscarlet wrote:

Just seen their 9 run into an Italian shoulder then dive like Tom Daley holding his neck. Same as Sexton in game 1. Clear and obvious attempt to get a card. 

They got a penalty for the Italian standing his ground Ouch
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That's how sides get to be number one in the world. Irritating but crack on. 
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Yes they cheat but would we say anything if we used the same tactics and won the European cup 
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Italian defence is very poor, though. Irish backs use same moves all the time. How the carthorse Lowe makes so much ground is beyond me
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Originally posted by Lincscarlet Lincscarlet wrote:

Just seen their 9 run into an Italian shoulder then dive like Tom Daley holding his neck. Same as Sexton in game 1. Clear and obvious attempt to get a card. 

Absolutely right - even the Irish commentator more or less admitted the 9 was trying it on.

In general, do you think that refs 'prefer' - even if subconsciously - the 'big' teams in a match? I sort of suspect that is the case.

Evidence in today's game - 

1. Italy make a superb line break - their man is tackled 5m for the Ireland line - Porter goes for a jackal, CLEARLY supports his weight on his arms before getting the ball.

Penalty - Ireland.

2. Italy 9 taken out late with a rib-tickler at a lineout. Nothing given.

3. The incident already mentioned where the Ireland 9 tried to get a YC for the Italy second row -penalty Ireland (should hae been nothing at all - or even apenalty to Italy for 'unsportsmanlike conduct'!)

Also, possibly a high tackle on the Italy 15, but no replay or TMO intervention... somehow, in Ireland whenever there is something (or often, nothing) you get a lot of slo-mo replays on the big screen - so long as it favours Ireland's case. You look long and hard to see a replay of Williams concussing Barclay with a forearm smash, because they choose not to show it. (Just the most blatant example of a well-honed policy.) 

Other countries need to retaliate with equally biased TMO replay stuff!

Apart from that - great game - but blatant cheating does get my goat.
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Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Yes they cheat but would we say anything if we used the same tactics and won the European cup 

And you know full well we don't cheat its not our style.


In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by Lincscarlet Lincscarlet wrote:

Just seen their 9 run into an Italian shoulder then dive like Tom Daley holding his neck. Same as Sexton in game 1. Clear and obvious attempt to get a card. 

Absolutely right - even the Irish commentator more or less admitted the 9 was trying it on.

In general, do you think that refs 'prefer' - even if subconsciously - the 'big' teams in a match? I sort of suspect that is the case.

Evidence in today's game - 

1. Italy make a superb line break - their man is tackled 5m for the Ireland line - Porter goes for a jackal, CLEARLY supports his weight on his arms before getting the ball.

Penalty - Ireland.

2. Italy 9 taken out late with a rib-tickler at a lineout. Nothing given.

3. The incident already mentioned where the Ireland 9 tried to get a YC for the Italy second row -penalty Ireland (should hae been nothing at all - or even apenalty to Italy for 'unsportsmanlike conduct'!)

Also, possibly a high tackle on the Italy 15, but no replay or TMO intervention... somehow, in Ireland whenever there is something (or often, nothing) you get a lot of slo-mo replays on the big screen - so long as it favours Ireland's case. You look long and hard to see a replay of Williams concussing Barclay with a forearm smash, because they choose not to show it. (Just the most blatant example of a well-honed policy.) 

Other countries need to retaliate with equally biased TMO replay stuff!

Apart from that - great game - but blatant cheating does get my goat.

It's the Irish way and being no 1 they are not pulled up for it. Going back years me and the infamous SmellyMike moaned and moaned about the potato pickers.


In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"
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Forearm to the face and no card
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by Lincscarlet Lincscarlet wrote:

Just seen their 9 run into an Italian shoulder then dive like Tom Daley holding his neck. Same as Sexton in game 1. Clear and obvious attempt to get a card. 

Absolutely right - even the Irish commentator more or less admitted the 9 was trying it on.

In general, do you think that refs 'prefer' - even if subconsciously - the 'big' teams in a match? I sort of suspect that is the case.

Evidence in today's game - 

1. Italy make a superb line break - their man is tackled 5m for the Ireland line - Porter goes for a jackal, CLEARLY supports his weight on his arms before getting the ball.

Penalty - Ireland.

2. Italy 9 taken out late with a rib-tickler at a lineout. Nothing given.

3. The incident already mentioned where the Ireland 9 tried to get a YC for the Italy second row -penalty Ireland (should hae been nothing at all - or even apenalty to Italy for 'unsportsmanlike conduct'!)

Also, possibly a high tackle on the Italy 15, but no replay or TMO intervention... somehow, in Ireland whenever there is something (or often, nothing) you get a lot of slo-mo replays on the big screen - so long as it favours Ireland's case. You look long and hard to see a replay of Williams concussing Barclay with a forearm smash, because they choose not to show it. (Just the most blatant example of a well-honed policy.) 

Other countries need to retaliate with equally biased TMO replay stuff!

Apart from that - great game - but blatant cheating does get my goat.
Mike Adamson and these sorts of things go hand in hand too often, IMO. 

I think it’s a competency issue and possibly supplemented by either not wanting too much help from his assistants or creating that impression inadvertently. I can understand not having much faith in the week in week out league, depending on who’s there, however, with Wayne Barnes and Craig Evans as assistants.

Having said that, how on earth is McCloskey still on the pitch after a forearm tackle on Capuozzo’s nose???

Adamson and competence akin to ball in hand and a knock on.
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Originally posted by Milli Milli wrote:

Forearm to the face and no card

I suppose you are referring to the high tackle on the Italy 15 - their most dangerous runner.

Not even asked for a TMO review - very poor indeed. Ref doesn't want to know if Ireland transgress.
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Sounds like jelousy. Italy doing a better job than Wales did. 
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by Milli Milli wrote:

Forearm to the face and no card

I suppose you are referring to the high tackle on the Italy 15 - their most dangerous runner.

Not even asked for a TMO review - very poor indeed. Ref doesn't want to know if Ireland transgress.

This.....

who was the dwarf ref...seen him before and he's useless 


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Bundee knocked that on on the floor. Thank goodness they’re reviewing it.

You could see from Aki’s reaction that he knew he hadn’t scored.

Adamson is one of the poorer on the international circuit.
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« No clear release before the extra roll » says Adamson
Aki gets a penalty instead of conceding one.

How are you supposed to release if the player is still rolling?
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Lot of young players in this Italian side, can only get better. I can see us struggling against them
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