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Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Johnson just won't give up.

He's now saying the Bernard Jenkin had a lockdown party of his own to celebrate his wife's birthday.

Are there no lengths thst Johnson won't go to ? How does this attack on Jenkin exonerate Johnson from his own 'sins' ?
It’s all very kids’ playground behaviour, too.

How on earth people voted for him to be Prime Minister etc has been beyond me for some considerable time.

It has now dropped to the 'my father is bigger than yours' level FFS
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

And then the brilliant former PM of 49 days Liz Truss is claiming to have a set of ex PM honours list agreed isn’t she? She must have the hide of a rhinoceros! 

I cannot fathom who I despise most Thatcher, Johnson or Truss !
HIde  rhinoceros us appropriate description for the three.

There can be no comparisons drawn between Thatcher & the other two in my opinion. 
There can!
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

And then the brilliant former PM of 49 days Liz Truss is claiming to have a set of ex PM honours list agreed isn’t she? She must have the hide of a rhinoceros! 

I cannot fathom who I despise most Thatcher, Johnson or Truss !
HIde  rhinoceros us appropriate description for the three.

There can be no comparisons drawn between Thatcher & the other two in my opinion. 
There can!

Yes Mark they were all Tory PM's but surely that is where any comparison ends. Thatcher, regardless of your political persuasions, was a serious politician - I rest my case. Wink
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Destroyed by the Committee's report. 
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The shame is he was allowed to jump before he was pushed.
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Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Destroyed by the Committee's report. 

Yes a pretty comprehensive assessment. 
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It's a bad day to be Boris Johnson Clap
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Destroyed by the Committee's report. 

Yes a pretty comprehensive assessment. 

Boris Johnson, 30 March: "I have the utmost respect for the integrity of the Committee and all its Members."

Phew, I'm glad to hear that! Otherwise there'd be a load of pathetic snowflake whining, claims it is a kangaroo court, a political stitch up, accusing the committee of lying (hahaha can you even imagine this!), undermining their authority, personal attacks on the members...

The only other possibility I can think, dare I even suggest it, is that when Johnson spoke in March he actually was not quite saying the whole truth? No, no, it can't be this. He has such a good track record with the truth, after all, and has only previously been sacked from two jobs for lying. That's hardly any when you compare it to much larger numbers.
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Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

It's a bad day to be Boris Johnson Clap

Totally....and its great! 
Shameless,  lying toe-rag at last exposed formally,   for what he is.
Of course, its all a conspiracy, fake newsLOL...just like that surrounding  the other arch cretin Trump..
The difference  here in the UK, is that he has been judged by his tory peers .We know that they overlooked his failings,  when things were going well., but soon as the cracks  showed, the knives were out.
In fairness however , some have continually  spoken out, and congratulations  to the Tories on the Standards and Privileges,  like Bernard Jenkin, and others,  for digging their heels in.

Trump, on the other hand had been backed by the shameless 
Republicans, many too frightened of the backlash from Grass root Republicans in their  area.
What a shower!!

One final point..and  in response to GPR's(always well balanced posts) point regarding Johnson, Truss and Thatcher. 
I totally agree with him that she was a 'serious ' politician in  comparison to the two clowns,  Johnson and Trump. 
In fairness,  things would Never have happened under her, that have happened under Johnson ', parties during lockdown,  lying about it, appointment  of a serial sex predadator as a minister,  and lying about it.Re -furbishing the Downing St flat, at a tory donors expense and lying about it , continually changing his story.Lying about Brexit, and what he  probably knew he could'nt deliver. 
Truss, we know   was down right incompetent .

What instigated  thus thread was the theory of the ' hide of a rhinoceros ', which is where I drew my comparisons between the three Tories.
As opposed two the other two buffoons,  Thatcher was efficient  in the way she went about things . Efficiently,  destroying  the fabric of Welsh communities,  from which they have have never recovered. 
This was based on her hard nose dogma, varied in the oven by her crackpot  mate Sir Keith Joseph.
She Efficiently  destroyed  the ethos of ' community ', we held so dear,
the very essence of what describe as civic pride, responsibility  to each other
Ask anyone of a certain age about Thatcher in places le Llanelli and Ammanford, your reply will be swift

On a day,in which we should ge concentrating  on the demise of Johnson,  I could go on and on, so I apologise for my rant.
Let's hope we can  now return to politics,  where,  whatever  your views wher standards matter,  and ethical code of behaviour,  matters. 
Telling the truth matters, how else can we build a credible society to hand on to our children and grandchildren.
We have huge problem facing us , particularly  global warming,  and the destruction  of the natural  world  as we know it.
There is an absolute necessity,  to have those in positions of authority,  not only to be capable , honest, but making hard decisions  in the best intrests for all of us( including the wider world),  not just the few.
I am not holding my breath  about the above sadly.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Oracle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 June 2023 at 12:03pm
If thatcher was still prime minister we would still be in the European Union , Johnson would never have got near Westminster , nor would sunak , mordant , Braverman , grove, effectively clearing the conservative front row ...That would be the up as side , I could move to the negative side and that would probably overload sf servers 
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Interesting.... presumably a relatively small bunch of Johnson supporters are very vocal, even threatening that fellow Conservatives who vote in favour of this report will be de-selected.

So a decision from a Tory majority committee they don't like they then respond to by attempting to bully their colleagues and even exclude them from their party?

Democracy when it suits them, eh? These individuals, most of whom show that they have been bought by Johnson by the "Sir" that has appeared in front of their names recently (not Dorries though!), know they are finished and appear quite happy to try and split their own party over it, which is completely fine by me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Oracle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 June 2023 at 3:32pm
Parallels are so alike with the USA 
We have Trump having 37 charges of espionage cast against him in the USA and his response is how it's an illegal coup against him by a kangaroo court , but then being supported by a derranged blonde woman called Marjorie Taylor Greene who is totally under some kind of Charles Manson mantra ...
Over here we have a poor man's trump ....found guilty of lying numerous times to everyone ..As soon as he's found guilty he complains that it's a coup and he is being judged by a kangaroo court ..Johnson is also being supported by a blonde derranged woman called Dorres , who is his marjorie Taylor greene like groupie ...

Makes you wonder if the faceless people in the background are using the same tactics in both countries ...2 puppet clowns but only one puppet master 
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I've deleted my post because I realise... actually, who gives a f*** what Rees-Mogg thinks? Any nation that does has something seriously wrong with it.

The report is interesting reading BTW, very comprehensive and full of this "evidence" thing. The critics of it should read it sometime.
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There still Johnson supporters out there.
Minister in the cabinet office Brandon  Scott- Smith, had the nerve to 
appear on Newsnight tonight, and face a lady from the Covid Bereaved  families. He stated that,Boris had been hard done by at the hands of the committee! 
He said the committee had no evidence  of Johnson lying , even though they have been gathering  information, .and talking to various  people for over a year.

What planet is this guy and Rees-Mogg on?
Possibly we should arrange a special space shuttle,  and send Scott -Smith,  Rees -Mogg, Doŕries and Co off to where the only "stars in your eyes" they will sees ,will be the ones up in the sky!!


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Gutto Harry was on question time this evening stating very much the same rubbish.  That he was hard done by, found guilty by a kangaroo court, headed by a labour peer who had it in for him from the start.  They are spouting out this nonsense despite the fact that BOJO set up the enquiry himself (when still PM) and agreed the set up of the panel - where a opposition party member has to chair the committee and the majority of the panel come from the current government, so the Tories had more panelists.
The fact that he can still command a following from some Tory ministers is just incredible, although a lot of it is probably down to the fact that they know that they are a busted flush and are desperate for the man who (allegedly) delivered a landslide win in the last GE all by himself, to come back and rescue the party and resolve the current financial crisis.
Bojo has for the first time in his life has been found out for what he is and more importantly has been sanctioned for it.  In the past he hasn’t been held accountable for any of his indiscretions and has been allowed to just move on.  This time is different, it’s been recommended that he is banned from the commons for 90 days and that he is not allowed to ever stand as an MP again - although these are just recommendations and the final decision will be decided by a vote in parliament next week (so nothing can be taken for granted).
I hope this is the last time we see him in position of extreme power/ public office and that he just crawls under a rock somewhere, but I don’t hold my breath.

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Right wing papers leading with a "Tory split" as the headline, more left wing ones the actual findings of the report, that it found he mislead parliament. The Tory split angle gives more prominence to that loud minority, giving Rees-Mogg airtime... Plus of course undermines the committee which they are lying about - Harman didn't vote. It was Tory dominated. 

I note the BBC also has gone down this pathway, pushing the Tory split as the biggest aspect. I suppose it still has to get voted through, but the findings of the report should be the actual headline before people's opinions on it. Sneaky stuff by the BBC.
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