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ap sior ![]() Veteran ![]() Joined: 08 May 2005 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 11126 |
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It has now dropped to the 'my father is bigger than yours' level FFS
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scarletpimp ![]() Veteran ![]() Joined: 22 November 2015 Location: llanelli Status: Offline Points: 2079 |
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There can!
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I stood yer on tanner bank
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GPR - Rochester ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 December 2014 Location: Rhydcymerau Status: Offline Points: 17595 |
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Yes Mark they were all Tory PM's but surely that is where any comparison ends. Thatcher, regardless of your political persuasions, was a serious politician - I rest my case.
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dr_martinov ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 August 2005 Location: Tycoch Status: Offline Points: 13251 |
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Destroyed by the Committee's report.
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Fscarlet ![]() Moderator Group ![]() Joined: 26 January 2015 Status: Offline Points: 8530 |
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The shame is he was allowed to jump before he was pushed.
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GPR - Rochester ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 December 2014 Location: Rhydcymerau Status: Offline Points: 17595 |
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Yes a pretty comprehensive assessment.
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Oracle ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 September 2022 Location: North pole Status: Offline Points: 3959 |
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It's a bad day to be Boris Johnson
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dr_martinov ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 August 2005 Location: Tycoch Status: Offline Points: 13251 |
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Boris Johnson, 30 March: "I have the utmost respect for the integrity of the Committee and all its Members." Phew, I'm glad to hear that! Otherwise there'd be a load of pathetic snowflake whining, claims it is a kangaroo court, a political stitch up, accusing the committee of lying (hahaha can you even imagine this!), undermining their authority, personal attacks on the members... The only other possibility I can think, dare I even suggest it, is that when Johnson spoke in March he actually was not quite saying the whole truth? No, no, it can't be this. He has such a good track record with the truth, after all, and has only previously been sacked from two jobs for lying. That's hardly any when you compare it to much larger numbers.
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scarletpimp ![]() Veteran ![]() Joined: 22 November 2015 Location: llanelli Status: Offline Points: 2079 |
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Totally....and its great! Shameless, lying toe-rag at last exposed formally, for what he is. Of course, its all a conspiracy, fake news ![]() The difference here in the UK, is that he has been judged by his tory peers .We know that they overlooked his failings, when things were going well., but soon as the cracks showed, the knives were out. In fairness however , some have continually spoken out, and congratulations to the Tories on the Standards and Privileges, like Bernard Jenkin, and others, for digging their heels in. Trump, on the other hand had been backed by the shameless Republicans, many too frightened of the backlash from Grass root Republicans in their area. What a shower!! One final point..and in response to GPR's(always well balanced posts) point regarding Johnson, Truss and Thatcher. I totally agree with him that she was a 'serious ' politician in comparison to the two clowns, Johnson and Trump. In fairness, things would Never have happened under her, that have happened under Johnson ', parties during lockdown, lying about it, appointment of a serial sex predadator as a minister, and lying about it.Re -furbishing the Downing St flat, at a tory donors expense and lying about it , continually changing his story.Lying about Brexit, and what he probably knew he could'nt deliver. Truss, we know was down right incompetent . What instigated thus thread was the theory of the ' hide of a rhinoceros ', which is where I drew my comparisons between the three Tories. As opposed two the other two buffoons, Thatcher was efficient in the way she went about things . Efficiently, destroying the fabric of Welsh communities, from which they have have never recovered. This was based on her hard nose dogma, varied in the oven by her crackpot mate Sir Keith Joseph. She Efficiently destroyed the ethos of ' community ', we held so dear, the very essence of what describe as civic pride, responsibility to each other Ask anyone of a certain age about Thatcher in places le Llanelli and Ammanford, your reply will be swift On a day,in which we should ge concentrating on the demise of Johnson, I could go on and on, so I apologise for my rant. Let's hope we can now return to politics, where, whatever your views wher standards matter, and ethical code of behaviour, matters. Telling the truth matters, how else can we build a credible society to hand on to our children and grandchildren. We have huge problem facing us , particularly global warming, and the destruction of the natural world as we know it. There is an absolute necessity, to have those in positions of authority, not only to be capable , honest, but making hard decisions in the best intrests for all of us( including the wider world), not just the few. I am not holding my breath about the above sadly. |
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Oracle ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 September 2022 Location: North pole Status: Offline Points: 3959 |
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If thatcher was still prime minister we would still be in the European Union , Johnson would never have got near Westminster , nor would sunak , mordant , Braverman , grove, effectively clearing the conservative front row ...That would be the up as side , I could move to the negative side and that would probably overload sf servers
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dr_martinov ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 August 2005 Location: Tycoch Status: Offline Points: 13251 |
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Interesting.... presumably a relatively small bunch of Johnson supporters are very vocal, even threatening that fellow Conservatives who vote in favour of this report will be de-selected.
So a decision from a Tory majority committee they don't like they then respond to by attempting to bully their colleagues and even exclude them from their party? Democracy when it suits them, eh? These individuals, most of whom show that they have been bought by Johnson by the "Sir" that has appeared in front of their names recently (not Dorries though!), know they are finished and appear quite happy to try and split their own party over it, which is completely fine by me.
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Oracle ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 September 2022 Location: North pole Status: Offline Points: 3959 |
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Parallels are so alike with the USA
We have Trump having 37 charges of espionage cast against him in the USA and his response is how it's an illegal coup against him by a kangaroo court , but then being supported by a derranged blonde woman called Marjorie Taylor Greene who is totally under some kind of Charles Manson mantra ... Over here we have a poor man's trump ....found guilty of lying numerous times to everyone ..As soon as he's found guilty he complains that it's a coup and he is being judged by a kangaroo court ..Johnson is also being supported by a blonde derranged woman called Dorres , who is his marjorie Taylor greene like groupie ... Makes you wonder if the faceless people in the background are using the same tactics in both countries ...2 puppet clowns but only one puppet master
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dr_martinov ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 August 2005 Location: Tycoch Status: Offline Points: 13251 |
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I've deleted my post because I realise... actually, who gives a f*** what Rees-Mogg thinks? Any nation that does has something seriously wrong with it.
The report is interesting reading BTW, very comprehensive and full of this "evidence" thing. The critics of it should read it sometime.
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scarletpimp ![]() Veteran ![]() Joined: 22 November 2015 Location: llanelli Status: Offline Points: 2079 |
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There still Johnson supporters out there.
Minister in the cabinet office Brandon Scott- Smith, had the nerve to appear on Newsnight tonight, and face a lady from the Covid Bereaved families. He stated that,Boris had been hard done by at the hands of the committee! He said the committee had no evidence of Johnson lying , even though they have been gathering information, .and talking to various people for over a year. What planet is this guy and Rees-Mogg on? Possibly we should arrange a special space shuttle, and send Scott -Smith, Rees -Mogg, Doŕries and Co off to where the only "stars in your eyes" they will sees ,will be the ones up in the sky!! |
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Legendinmybathroom ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 May 2017 Location: Burry Port Status: Offline Points: 2914 |
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Gutto Harry was on question time this evening stating very much the same rubbish. That he was hard done by, found guilty by a kangaroo court, headed by a labour peer who had it in for him from the start. They are spouting out this nonsense despite the fact that BOJO set up the enquiry himself (when still PM) and agreed the set up of the panel - where a opposition party member has to chair the committee and the majority of the panel come from the current government, so the Tories had more panelists.
The fact that he can still command a following from some Tory ministers is just incredible, although a lot of it is probably down to the fact that they know that they are a busted flush and are desperate for the man who (allegedly) delivered a landslide win in the last GE all by himself, to come back and rescue the party and resolve the current financial crisis. Bojo has for the first time in his life has been found out for what he is and more importantly has been sanctioned for it. In the past he hasn’t been held accountable for any of his indiscretions and has been allowed to just move on. This time is different, it’s been recommended that he is banned from the commons for 90 days and that he is not allowed to ever stand as an MP again - although these are just recommendations and the final decision will be decided by a vote in parliament next week (so nothing can be taken for granted). I hope this is the last time we see him in position of extreme power/ public office and that he just crawls under a rock somewhere, but I don’t hold my breath. |
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dr_martinov ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 August 2005 Location: Tycoch Status: Offline Points: 13251 |
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Right wing papers leading with a "Tory split" as the headline, more left wing ones the actual findings of the report, that it found he mislead parliament. The Tory split angle gives more prominence to that loud minority, giving Rees-Mogg airtime... Plus of course undermines the committee which they are lying about - Harman didn't vote. It was Tory dominated.
I note the BBC also has gone down this pathway, pushing the Tory split as the biggest aspect. I suppose it still has to get voted through, but the findings of the report should be the actual headline before people's opinions on it. Sneaky stuff by the BBC.
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