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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Take my hat off to Pogecar. Yesterday he sat back & allowed Visma to set the pace with Jonas making his play on the final climb. Pogacar went with him & sensed perfectly that Jonas was struggling & attacked flying up the mountain to the finish taking big chunks of time out of all his rivals. 

The tour is his to lose now with only two riders within 10 minutes. 
Absolutely! Pogacar living up to his big pre-race favourite status. Friday and Saturday, iirc, look like really strenuous tests too so there is still a chink of light for Vingegaard.

Biniam Girmay has a 91 point lead over Philipsen in the Green Jersey with only one sprint stage left so barring not getting to Nice, it should be his and a wonderful moment for Eritrea and growing the appeal of pro-cycling.

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I keep thinking of Simon Yates in the Giro d’Italia a few years ago. He was miles ahead timewise. He attacked with spirit and added more time, even when he didn’t need to.

It all blew apart one or two stages from the end, when he just had no energy left. He had overdone his efforts over the 3 weeks and lost the race. Possibly Froome inherited the win, after a very long distance break for the finish put the final straw that broke the effort of Yates.

Possible a similar occurrence may befall Pogacar, unlikely yet possible.
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Four climbing stages left before the last day time trial. If anyone if going to challenge Pogecar they better start making a move. Think Remco has settled for a podium spot but Jonas will not give up. 

The green jersey may not be done & dusted after all with Girmay's fall yesterday. He seems ok physically but his lead is down to 32 points with Intermediate sprints now taking on extra importance. If Pogecar is running close to empty the next few days will find out. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Four climbing stages left before the last day time trial. If anyone if going to challenge Pogecar they better start making a move. Think Remco has settled for a podium spot but Jonas will not give up. 

The green jersey may not be done & dusted after all with Girmay's fall yesterday. He seems ok physically but his lead is down to 32 points with Intermediate sprints now taking on extra importance. If Pogecar is running close to empty the next few days will find out. 
Fervently hoping that Girmay carries it through to the finish and that his injuries are slight. Likewise Cav as he wants so much to finish the last Tour.

Measuring Haemoglobin via the Carbon Monoxide breathing method has hit the papers this morning. 

What is it?

Visma Lease A Bike measure at the start and end of an altitude training block to see how the red blood cell count has improved, the purpose of altitude training it seems. With the blood levels amongst other things measured on the medical passport, the implication of doping effects would seem slim. 

Most other teams do it, although Jonathan Vaughters, head of the UNO X team, says they’d never use it.

However, Pogacar and Vingegaard produced their best ever output numbers in the last climb prior to the rest day and beat the previous record for the ascent set by Marco Pantani in the late 90s. 

No one ever puts a time factor on the technological advances that have gone into the bikes and the kit worn by the riders plus the nutrition. I think they should as it would add a huge amount more context.

More to be revealed in the coming days, no doubt.

Here’s hoping for more drama on the course. 
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And so the story ends*. All hopes of a Vingegaard comeback to turn the tables of Pogacar have gone; Evenepoel accepted as a top three rider by Ving & Pog; heartstrings pulled by the emotion of Vingegaard after yesterday’s stage when he faced up to his dream having been dashed.

Happily for him, it was with his partner and child and the emotions of having gone from being in hospital thinking he was going to die 12 weeks ago to dashed hopes of a third win in the Tour just poured out.

Looking back, I’d never really warmed to the Visma team and it was only when Vingegaard rose to number 1 in the team that my view of them changed. 

Congrats to Pogacar. Next year’s Tour should be compelling, especially if the main contenders are injury-free.

* notwithstanding some completely unpredicted event that befalls Pog.


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Dominant performance by Pogacar this year - much stronger than his main competitors at the end of the three weeks. Of course, the other two were seriously injured not so long ago. Did this affect their performances? Quite possibly - we'll see next year.

(That's sport - iirc, one of Vingegaard's wins came against a Pogi who had also been injured (or had been ill?) shortly before the tour. It's a fascinating rivalry. 

(Hats off to Campenaerts for his win and heart-on-sleeve 'interview' (mainly weeping!) after his win the other day... his team left him hanging for a contract, so the stress must have been huge. (He got signed by another bunch.) Seeing him speechless as he held his mobile with his partner and baby on the screen was priceless, and moving.
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Dominant performance by Pogacar this year - much stronger than his main competitors at the end of the three weeks. Of course, the other two were seriously injured not so long ago. Did this affect their performances? Quite possibly - we'll see next year.

(That's sport - iirc, one of Vingegaard's wins came against a Pogi who had also been injured (or had been ill?) shortly before the tour. It's a fascinating rivalry. 

(Hats off to Campenaerts for his win and heart-on-sleeve 'interview' (mainly weeping!) after his win the other day... his team left him hanging for a contract, so the stress must have been huge. (He got signed by another bunch.) Seeing him speechless as he held his mobile with his partner and baby on the screen was priceless, and moving.
There has been a lot of love for Campenaerts amongst the ITV4 (and other) commentators plus a lovely write up in the Times after his stage win. It was virtually his last chance for a stage win in the Tour because his new contract is with Visma and he knows he’s just got to be devoted to driving the Vingegaard train in pursuit of GC success. hopefully, it won’t quite work out that way.

Last year saw Pog fracture his wrist 10 weeks before the race and he was still wearing his wrist brace at night in the first week or so of the Tour.

Delighted to see Girmay win the Green Jersey and hope it inspires many more outside the usual geographic areas to take up the sport.

As disappointed as I am for Vingegaard not being in yellow, Girmay’s Green Jersey triumph is much more important and a lovely surprise from this year’s race. Vingegaard’s loss to Pogacar further strengthens the rivalry between them and allows even more stories and marketing to build interest. 

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A very worthy winner & Jonas takes massive credit for even taking part let alone finishing 2nd. Great story with Girmay & Cavendish.
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

A very worthy winner & Jonas takes massive credit for even taking part let alone finishing 2nd. Great story with Girmay & Cavendish.
Thanks for mentioning Cav. 

I really should have done the same, as he is such a force for good and not just for this sport. 

In contrast to a bankrupt Bradley Wiggins, Cav has withstood much over the years and borne it with some impressive magnanimity. He and his family being burgled at gunpoint, the subject of a lengthy trial in the last year, where the perpetrators were jailed, was one of the more extreme examples. During it all, he’s managed to make sure that he’s retained sufficient of his earnings to take care of, and still be with, his family.

Hope his record of career Tour stage wins stands for quite some time and I wish him the very best of luck in his post-in-the-saddle-cycling career, what and whenever he choses to do.
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Pogacar is out of the Olympics, not picked by the Slovenian team because he has extreme fatigue.

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

What nonsense! If he had extreme fatigue, he would not have won the last stage.

The real reason might be that his other half has not been selected by the Slovenians so they can’t have a love-in 2 weeks in the Olympic Village.
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Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Pogacar is out of the Olympics, not picked by the Slovenian team because he has extreme fatigue.

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

What nonsense! If he had extreme fatigue, he would not have won the last stage.

The real reason might be that his other half has not been selected by the Slovenians so they can’t have a love-in 2 weeks in the Olympic Village.

AQ little harsh there EO - the road race was next Tuesday I think. Guy is still probably celebrating!!!
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Pogacar is out of the Olympics, not picked by the Slovenian team because he has extreme fatigue.

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

What nonsense! If he had extreme fatigue, he would not have won the last stage.

The real reason might be that his other half has not been selected by the Slovenians so they can’t have a love-in 2 weeks in the Olympic Village.

AQ little harsh there EO - the road race was next Tuesday I think. Guy is still probably celebrating!!!
Pogacar deserves harsh treatment, IMO, or at least the PR person does for putting out such a nonsense reason.

Apparently, no one understands why Pog’s other half has been excluded from the Slovenian selection. She won their road race by 11 mins.

The Slovene federation either want to make some sort of point; or that there’s been a falling out between one or both of them; or there’s some other reason that we’d prefer not to be the case.

Also, before your heart bleeds too much for Pog, his salary is doubling for next year to €12,000,000.

That is some budgetary power from UAE
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Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Pogacar is out of the Olympics, not picked by the Slovenian team because he has extreme fatigue.

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

What nonsense! If he had extreme fatigue, he would not have won the last stage.

The real reason might be that his other half has not been selected by the Slovenians so they can’t have a love-in 2 weeks in the Olympic Village.

AQ little harsh there EO - the road race was next Tuesday I think. Guy is still probably celebrating!!!
Pogacar deserves harsh treatment, IMO, or at least the PR person does for putting out such a nonsense reason.

Apparently, no one understands why Pog’s other half has been excluded from the Slovenian selection. She won their road race by 11 mins.

The Slovene federation either want to make some sort of point; or that there’s been a falling out between one or both of them; or there’s some other reason that we’d prefer not to be the case.

Also, before your heart bleeds too much for Pog, his salary is doubling for next year to €12,000,000.

That is some budgetary power from UAE

From the 6 weeks I have just witnessed through Italy & France he is worth every cent. It's a shame if internal politics spoils the chances of someone to participate in what is usually a once in a lifetime event. 
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Read an interview with Pogecar in which he admits that his girlfriends omission from the team contributed to his decision to withdraw. Bearing in mind that she was instrumental, through her recent performances, in gaining Slovenia an extra spot in the road race competition & that she beat one of the ladies selected ahead of her by almost 10 minutes in a recent top level road race the decision does seem to be odd to say the least. I accept I am only hearing Pogecar's side of the story. 

The simple truth is that Pogecar, at 25, is in a position to make those sort of decisions as he is on track to become one of, if not, the greatest bike riders of all time. I would introduce a word of caution around that comment. I remember some years ago when I used to "play" a lot of golf having a discussion with a number of fellow golfers about Tiger Woods, who at that time was winning majors for fun and closing in on the record of Jack Nicklaus. My belief was that he wouldn't get there for some reason & look how that worked out. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Read an interview with Pogecar in which he admits that his girlfriends omission from the team contributed to his decision to withdraw. Bearing in mind that she was instrumental, through her recent performances, in gaining Slovenia an extra spot in the road race competition & that she beat one of the ladies selected ahead of her by almost 10 minutes in a recent top level road race the decision does seem to be odd to say the least. I accept I am only hearing Pogecar's side of the story. 

The simple truth is that Pogecar, at 25, is in a position to make those sort of decisions as he is on track to become one of, if not, the greatest bike riders of all time. I would introduce a word of caution around that comment. I remember some years ago when I used to "play" a lot of golf having a discussion with a number of fellow golfers about Tiger Woods, who at that time was winning majors for fun and closing in on the record of Jack Nicklaus. My belief was that he wouldn't get there for some reason & look how that worked out. 
Yes, the selection of the Slovenian Federation does seem totally illogical in excluding their best woman rider. 

The facts of her ability and race results are irrefutable. She should have been nailed on to be at the starting line in Paris. 

Why have the Slovenes done this? Is it a political falling out with a bureaucrat? is it something else? Only time is likely to tell, eventually.

In the meantime, cycling doesn’t have to look back too far to find star riders who have crashed and burned metaphorically so I hope that the golden generation and their teams are made of far higher standards than those past.
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Wow! Tom Pidcock and his gold must’ve been magnificent viewing. 

Saw only the bits on the News/Round Up of the Day. His move to get the lead was great opportunism, nothing more than a 50:50 chance that he seized.

Glad he got some recompense for his efforts this summer, unlike others in Ineos.
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