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Worth noting many current players are pushing for this change as well as are lots in the medical community. It’s got merit 
I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dai38 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 August 2021 at 11:42am
I sat next to Nigel Owens in a dinner a few months  after the World Cup 2015, he was in favour of this, and so he said were many other people in the game. 

I know many on here are not really Owens's greatest fans, but when top referees, players, medical staff, are talking about it, then at least the rugby world shout respect their views and discuss it.

For what it's worth which is not a lot I know, I totally agree with the idea.
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Originally posted by Dai38 Dai38 wrote:

I sat next to Nigel Owens in a dinner a few months  after the World Cup 2015, he was in favour of this, and so he said were many other people in the game. 

I know many on here are not really Owens's greatest fans, but when top referees, players, medical staff, are talking about it, then at least the rugby world shout respect their views and discuss it.

For what it's worth which is not a lot I know, I totally agree with the idea.

Its worth a lot Dai - true rugby fans like yourself know when their game is in trouble. Our game was meant to be a handling game & we need to get back to that. The Lions series has truly highlighted many of the wrongs with the current game. That is not meant to decry the Boks who are playing to the rules & lets not forget are World Champions. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dyniol53 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 August 2021 at 12:29pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Dai38 Dai38 wrote:

For what it's worth which is not a lot I know, I totally agree with the idea.

The Lions series has truly highlighted many of the wrongs with the current game. That is not meant to decry the Boks who are playing to the rules & lets not forget are World Champions. 

Exactly you can’t blame coaches for doing what they think they need to win, the lawmakers just need to tweak things so to incentivise more entertaining and skilful strategies 
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if they speed it up, increase ball in play time and reduce collisions, the all blacks may put 70 on the aussies next timeLOL
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Originally posted by bills burr bills burr wrote:

if they speed it up, increase ball in play time and reduce collisions, the all blacks may put 70 on the aussies next timeLOL

Indeed they might - but as things stand they won't put many on the BoksOuch
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  There is some merit in this , to many subs .

   If there any sense with the law makers , make it illegal to clear out the jackaler. How many very serious injuries have  there been?  since Gwyn Jones broke his neck years ago .

    Ban the box kick , terrible to watch . Another very dangerous area of the game , the aerial battle, so dangerous . Game does not need this boring tactic . It made the SA v Lions unwatchable for so many people .
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote salmidach Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 August 2021 at 12:58pm
so people think keeping players on the pitch for 80 minutes will speed up the game?

Rugby is going backwards at a rate of knots...

we've gone from creating rules to protecting players, to getting rid of tactical subs and forcing players to play 80 minute rugby week in week out...
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The increasing size of players is also a big issue, so to speak.. I wonder how much of that is from natural training or "normal" diet? Even looking at games only ten years ago a massive difference in physique and collision impact these days.
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I don’t like the way they hold the ball these days and the length of the grass. This is the important thing. 
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I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Dai38 Dai38 wrote:

I sat next to Nigel Owens in a dinner a few months  after the World Cup 2015, he was in favour of this, and so he said were many other people in the game. 

I know many on here are not really Owens's greatest fans, but when top referees, players, medical staff, are talking about it, then at least the rugby world shout respect their views and discuss it.

For what it's worth which is not a lot I know, I totally agree with the idea.

Its worth a lot Dai - true rugby fans like yourself know when their game is in trouble. Our game was meant to be a handling game & we need to get back to that. The Lions series has truly highlighted many of the wrongs with the current game. That is not meant to decry the Boks who are playing to the rules & lets not forget are World Champions. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Eastern outpost Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 August 2021 at 4:39pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

This is an insightful interview with Cardiff High Performance manager Trystan Bevan.

That’s a very interesting piece and a good read.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wil Chips Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 August 2021 at 4:43pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

This is an insightful interview with Cardiff High Performance manager Trystan Bevan.



Good read.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote reesytheexile Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 August 2021 at 6:45pm
Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

This is an insightful interview with Cardiff High Performance manager Trystan Bevan.

That’s a very interesting piece and a good read.
Good read and the so called dinosaurs seem more like prophets to me. We can’t go on with things as they are. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bills burr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 August 2021 at 7:59pm
Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

so people think keeping players on the pitch for 80 minutes will speed up the game?

Rugby is going backwards at a rate of knots...

we've gone from creating rules to protecting players, to getting rid of tactical subs and forcing players to play 80 minute rugby week in week out...

You are against all suggestions so far mooted and you consider all older ex players dinosaurs, pretty rude really, so lets get productive what are your suggestions?
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