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For me get games against Bath, Bristol, Exeter & Gloucester for starters - home & away thats 8 fixtures; add in other regional A teams & you would soon fill the calendar with meaningful opposition. 
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when is the 8 team league starting ?

I do think regional rugby has been sloppy in failing to draft unused players to play more games for their feeder clubs to the detriment of developing these players. So to talk now of dropping out to develop sounds like nonsense and hypocrisy 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

For me get games against Bath, Bristol, Exeter & Gloucester for starters - home & away thats 8 fixtures; add in other regional A teams & you would soon fill the calendar with meaningful opposition. 
They will certainly attract more supporters than currently go to watch the RFC and some good trips not to far away. 
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

For me get games against Bath, Bristol, Exeter & Gloucester for starters - home & away thats 8 fixtures; add in other regional A teams & you would soon fill the calendar with meaningful opposition. 
with what players though? Well have 38 full tine players i can’t see how that will enable the rfc to play anything more than the odd game a la sarries during test match windows  our academy boys will have college rugby club rugby and the inter regional academy games.  If the rfc play a dozen games next year i will be pleasantly surprised. Older Semi pro players will just play for other semi pro teams and get a nailed on salary per game well i wpuldTongue

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Cost is the main prohibitor here so I can't see the RFC playing anywhere outside of Wales/England and I'm not sure how many players outside of the academy will sign up for the RFC with fixtures unknown and likely very little to no money. You'd imagine they'd look to the other premiership teams or championship.

I'm not sure about this proposed new league, there's a couple of ways to do things and I'm unconvinced effectively having A teams in a ringfenced league is suitable for the game in Wales.

I probably see 2 options:

Option 1. New league with effectively A teams - Positives are they should be aligned well with the regions in terms of playing style, coaching, training and commercially, negatives are we're reducing the incentives for the regions to build relationships with clubs because the focus will be Academy and A team and there's no route for ambitious clubs to be semi professional. If the selected A teams are Llanelli, Swansea, Cardiff and Newport then we've alienated everyone outside of the regions nearest teams.

Option 2. You have a semi professional premiership with relegation where costs are strictly controlled to a level which allows championship teams to be able to adjust to semi professional status (with union guidance and entry criteria) and all teams throughout the leagues must be aligned with a region so if they get promoted from lower leagues all the way up they have that relationship. The main positives are everyone has a chance to make it to the second level of Welsh rugby, it encourages the regions to develop relationships at all levels of the game and players play. The negatives are the regions have less control over players flittering between pro and semi pro and potentially the premiership wouldn't have any teams from a region in it (personally I think this incentivises good relationships with regional clubs).

We've been somewhere between the 2 options for the last decade and not committed to either route fully, I'm more in favour of option 2 at the moment, I think it works better for Welsh rugby as a whole, we can look at other models but we've got go with something that suits our circumstances.
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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

when is the 8 team league starting ?

I do think regional rugby has been sloppy in failing to draft unused players to play more games for their feeder clubs to the detriment of developing these players. So to talk now of dropping out to develop sounds like nonsense and hypocrisy 

Yes but do the feeder clubs really want the odd player who is in effect a cuckoo in the nest.  Regular club players would have to give way to interlopers.  Not good for team spirit and not good for the borrowed player who may not feel part of the team.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Llanelli1963 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 March 2023 at 11:21am
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Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Tov Tov wrote:

If I can comment, as a Llanelli supporter for the last 60 years but from a few thousand kms away, this looks a very clever move to me. The avowed purpose is to develop young players to play for the Scarlets and, hopefully, eventually, the national side. Having these players playing fairly pointless games in the Premiership is far from ideal. If the management have been clever they can now arrange fixtures against the academy teams from England and, perhaps, even Ireland. Regular games against the Tigers or Leinster academy will do a lot more for development than playing Ebbw or Bridgend. 
the academy players will be playing academy rugby the rfc will be playing who exactly? Where do our fringe players who are not in first team but too old for academy rugby go now?

Surely that is the point. This gives a chance for the older, non-academy players with promise to get game time against better sides.
by playing who though?

I think the thinking is more games like the Saracens one recently which proved a very good exercise. Most Premiership sides have A teams who play mid week. The RFC have been up front & honest that they cannot support a 30 game season next year. A shorter season of may be 16 games against some quality A teams could be the way forward. Of course quite how that is going to work if we get too many injuries with a 38 man squad could prove interesting. 
100% agree could be the best thing that has happened to Llanelli and the region for a long time. Gives our young players experience of playing against top up and coming players in England and Ireland im sure the arrangements for the games are already in place. 
Be good to see some big English sides coming to the park even if it is second tier, better than playing a Merthyr side full of mercenaries coming to the end of their careers. 
academy boys can’t perform against the aging mercenaries. 😂😂. You’re talking nonsense. 
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I confess that I haven't seen much of Llanelli recently, but when I did see them they looked like a development side up against tough, experienced club players who played regularly together and who placed far more importance on winning than developing younger players. The Llanelli front five, in particular, found it very difficult to compete and give the promising backs a chance to show their skills and potential.

It must have been depressing for them to watch penalty after penalty   concededand the opponents ruthlessly converting or kicking for the corners and driving over the line.
If Llanelli go on to be a genuine development team they will be playing other similar sides whose main purpose will be to act as a conveyor belt to develop younger players for fully professional sides as in our recent match with Saracens. In this way it may be better for all concerned.

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We really did ourselves no favours by calling the team set up in 2003 'Llanelli RFC', did we? So much needless and avoidable confusion.
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Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:


    Having read  all through  the RFC statement  .It s absolutely  spot on ! The league as  been  a mess since day one and always been .
  

  Me off little voice , after the sad demise of the Celtic Warriors .It should be an  eight team league and two teams per region .
  
   Yes the Welsh Premiership as developed players for Wales , but nowhere near the  numbers required. 
 
  


The problem in welsh rugby generally is that the clubs dont think of themselves as vehicles for player development, in fact they actively dont want to lose their best players upwards to the regions. So many are set-up purely to win their league with zero interest in what's above. That is why the only real solution is a A type league where the players are all either full or part time pro's, playing to get into the first 23. No funding, no foresight though
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Understand that players were told last night that they'd need £250,000 to keep Llanelli going in the current format for next season. Money that just doesn't exist at the moment with budgets tightening.
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Out of interest who they going to be playing. And who’s going to be playing for them?
Notice Ben Williams the new 8 said his good buys on Twitter, is he on scarlets deal now or leaving? 
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Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

when is the 8 team league starting ?

I do think regional rugby has been sloppy in failing to draft unused players to play more games for their feeder clubs to the detriment of developing these players. So to talk now of dropping out to develop sounds like nonsense and hypocrisy 

Yes but do the feeder clubs really want the odd player who is in effect a cuckoo in the nest.  Regular club players would have to give way to interlopers.  Not good for team spirit and not good for the borrowed player who may not feel part of the team.

I disagree, the players are drafted to the clubs they arent forcing them to select them but the odds are they will as theyre probably better than the club player in that position . ...If the club player then wants to pout r get upset as you seem to be suggesting, them let him do so lol its just healthy competition
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Were just protecting players from competition ? This is all very odd  
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Originally posted by Mrfwon Mrfwon wrote:

Originally posted by lofty evans lofty evans wrote:

Sad and an empty feeling about this tbh.

Yep i get it and when you think of the reduced club scene going forward ...someone had to go and you can't get a bigger scalp than Llanelli RFC.
Rebranding or whatever, Llanelli Scarlets, Llanelli RFC or whatever, it is part of us and i dont know about this development thing yet, reserve judgement on that for now.

Llanelli RFC is something i grew up with and deeply cherish. I dont find it easy to discard something as easily as change dictates. 



Llanelli RFC is still there, its the Scarlets as we know it today......nowt has changed. The RFC might as well have been called Dock Stars or something else, not sure where it evolved from given we fought to stand alone as the Llanelli Scarlets all those years back and then dropped the Llanelli bit altogether from our name.

I completely agree, Llanelli Scarlets has 150 years of history and that wont change. 
For me this 8 team league is an opportunity to promote the regional identity and attract support and buy in from the widest possible area. To achieve this, I would suggest that the Scarlets propose Carmarthen Quins and Llandovery as West Wales representatives in the new 8 team Premiership. I would also suggest that all Scarlets squad players should be dual registered with the Premiership team and play for them if available. It would also be great to share coaching ideas and personnel, so that the two junior clubs could more effectively develop the Scarlets of the future.
This is not the end of Llanelli RFC, but it could be the beginning of a new regional rugby dawn in West Wales.
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Originally posted by Seagultaf Seagultaf wrote:

Originally posted by Mrfwon Mrfwon wrote:

Originally posted by lofty evans lofty evans wrote:

Sad and an empty feeling about this tbh.

Yep i get it and when you think of the reduced club scene going forward ...someone had to go and you can't get a bigger scalp than Llanelli RFC.
Rebranding or whatever, Llanelli Scarlets, Llanelli RFC or whatever, it is part of us and i dont know about this development thing yet, reserve judgement on that for now.

Llanelli RFC is something i grew up with and deeply cherish. I dont find it easy to discard something as easily as change dictates. 



Llanelli RFC is still there, its the Scarlets as we know it today......nowt has changed. The RFC might as well have been called Dock Stars or something else, not sure where it evolved from given we fought to stand alone as the Llanelli Scarlets all those years back and then dropped the Llanelli bit altogether from our name.

I completely agree, Llanelli Scarlets has 150 years of history and that wont change. 
For me this 8 team league is an opportunity to promote the regional identity and attract support and buy in from the widest possible area. To achieve this, I would suggest that the Scarlets propose Carmarthen Quins and Llandovery as West Wales representatives in the new 8 team Premiership. I would also suggest that all Scarlets squad players should be dual registered with the Premiership team and play for them if available. It would also be great to share coaching ideas and personnel, so that the two junior clubs could more effectively develop the Scarlets of the future.
This is not the end of Llanelli RFC, but it could be the beginning of a new regional rugby dawn in West Wales.

I get it Sir.

History and its significance if we learn from it or not, or cherish or not, means a lot to an old fart like me. Like saying goodbye to an old faithful friend for whatever advantageous reasons, are not me, the World moves on at a frightening pace and for me not always for the better.

So be it, 


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