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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote reesytheexile Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 March 2023 at 5:56am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Not a dig but why should a self sufficient successful club like Llandovery cede anything to the Scarlets? If we had been half as well run as the Drovers over the years we wouldn't have sold Stradey twice and picked up the nickname of cash strapped Scarlets.

The two businesses aren’t really comparable. Llandovery have more in common with Division 3 village clubs than a top level professional club. 


I'm with you on this really. Comparisons between professional rugby and community clubs don't really work. Drovers are not self sustaining of course, they have multiple benefactors.

Success in the Prem is really linked to that money. By far and away the best supported team are just 5 points ahead of the RFC and played 2 games more.

Regardless of the WRU 8 team proposal, it's clear that just subsidizing the RFC team by allowing FOC use of PyS etc isn't sustainable. Simon Muderack was on the record recently on that point. The 100-150k needed for recruitment of experienced players to become a team that can compete in the Prem isn't there now, so it has even less chance next year.

It's well know that Quins are suffering some hardships this year too.

The obvious problem is how to bridge the gap between Scarlets Academy and development players needing game time, and the likes of the Drovers wanting to be successful in their league ( by paying players).

Personally, knowing the institutionalized tribalism in all levels of Welsh rugby, I doubt there will be a good outcome here.

As a summary, to me, the Prem should be nothing but a development pathway and stepping stone for the regions to blood talent, assess players, bring through guys needing game time/recovering from injury.




Indeed 👍 and that tribalism applies with the Drovers and Quins relationship. You would think it might be all Bon hommie between them as our feeder teams but….🤨 We love our tribalism.Let’s hope any new 8 league allows the Scarlets and the two clubs to work stronger together on a win win win basis for all three and the greater good of West Wales rugby.It will be easier I feel with the RFC out of the way.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wil Chips Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 March 2023 at 5:23am
Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Not a dig but why should a self sufficient successful club like Llandovery cede anything to the Scarlets? If we had been half as well run as the Drovers over the years we wouldn't have sold Stradey twice and picked up the nickname of cash strapped Scarlets.

The two businesses aren’t really comparable. Llandovery have more in common with Division 3 village clubs than a top level professional club. 



I'm with you on this really. Comparisons between professional rugby and community clubs don't really work. Drovers are not self sustaining of course, they have multiple benefactors.

Success in the Prem is really linked to that money. By far and away the best supported team are just 5 points ahead of the RFC and played 2 games more.

Regardless of the WRU 8 team proposal, it's clear that just subsidizing the RFC team by allowing FOC use of PyS etc isn't sustainable. Simon Muderack was on the record recently on that point. The 100-150k needed for recruitment of experienced players to become a team that can compete in the Prem isn't there now, so it has even less chance next year.

It's well know that Quins are suffering some hardships this year too.

The obvious problem is how to bridge the gap between Scarlets Academy and development players needing game time, and the likes of the Drovers wanting to be successful in their league ( by paying players).

Personally, knowing the institutionalized tribalism in all levels of Welsh rugby, I doubt there will be a good outcome here.

As a summary, to me, the Prem should be nothing but a development pathway and stepping stone for the regions to blood talent, assess players, bring through guys needing game time/recovering from injury.




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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Not a dig but why should a self sufficient successful club like Llandovery cede anything to the Scarlets? If we had been half as well run as the Drovers over the years we wouldn't have sold Stradey twice and picked up the nickname of cash strapped Scarlets.
Playing devils advocate, Scarlets could provide academy prospects, players not selected that week, as well as training facilities for clubs involved. Absolutely can be a two way street.
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Drovers looks very well drilled this season, I’ve enjoyed watching them albeit from the other side of the ocean! They beat table topping Cardiff hands down. Could have been top if they beat Aberafon last week?

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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Not a dig but why should a self sufficient successful club like Llandovery cede anything to the Scarlets? If we had been half as well run as the Drovers over the years we wouldn't have sold Stradey twice and picked up the nickname of cash strapped Scarlets.
The two businesses aren’t really comparable. Llandovery have more in common with Division 3 village clubs than a top level professional club. 
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Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Not a dig but why should a self sufficient successful club like Llandovery cede anything to the Scarlets? If we had been half as well run as the Drovers over the years we wouldn't have sold Stradey twice and picked up the nickname of cash strapped Scarlets.

Yes agree Ladram Llandovery are a well run club and have been very successful in the Premiership consistent every season 

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Not a dig but why should a self sufficient successful club like Llandovery cede anything to the Scarlets? If we had been half as well run as the Drovers over the years we wouldn't have sold Stradey twice and picked up the nickname of cash strapped Scarlets.
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Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Anybody know how much the RFC budget is for players 
It’s not enough and has been underfunded for years- perhaps £100k short imo-the position in the league every season doesn’t lie! It’s pointless carrying on as it is. If Scarlets can gain some control over the Drovers and Quins as clubs at the same time so much the better. Both of them have proper businesses with clubhouses as well. Llanelli rattles a 100 supporters in a 14500 stadium. 

Thanks reesytheexile I thought regions had control over these feeder clubs 
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Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Anybody know how much the RFC budget is for players 
It’s not enough and has been underfunded for years- perhaps £100k short imo-the position in the league every season doesn’t lie! It’s pointless carrying on as it is. If Scarlets can gain some control over the Drovers and Quins as clubs at the same time so much the better. Both of them have proper businesses with clubhouses as well. Llanelli rattles a 100 supporters in a 14500 stadium. 
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Anybody know how much the RFC budget is for players 
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This 8 team Premiership proposal will only support the development of Welsh rugby if the 8 teams come under the umbrella of the regions, 2 teams for each region. This would spread the regional message further away from, Llanelli, Swansea, Cardiff and Newport and encourage greater support for the regional teams.
I could envisage the Scarlets having Carmarthen Quins and Llandovery as feeder teams, sharing coaching and players. 
Whilst this may be a blow for Llanelli RFC supporters, they still have the Scarlets playing in Llanelli to support, so hopefully the right solution will be chosen for elite rugby in Wales.
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I’ve heard that the RFC are going to disband at the end of the season..hope not as it has huge implications going forward..
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Would seven home games be enough income for the clubs selected 

Premiership should be developed properly by WRU instead of being abused 
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If this plan comes to fruition we should nominate the RFC. We shouldn’t give control of our academy player development to a separate semi pro club whose top priority would be to win games rather than prepare youngsters for pro rugby. The best facilities are down here also. 

I’d be happy for the club to be renamed when it went into this new league if that would make things easier politically. It doesn’t sit well that a team called “Llanelli RFC” is playing at that low level anyway. I think it was a mistake to give it that branding when it was created in 2003. 
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Back of a fag packet plan. How does this section fit into the overall plan for Welsh rugby to become as good as it can get?  Why just this segment?  If there is an overall plan where is it, what does it look like where is the financial plan to support the whole game?  I despair Cry
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I agree , as difficult as it is
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