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Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Not a dig but why should a self sufficient successful club like Llandovery cede anything to the Scarlets? If we had been half as well run as the Drovers over the years we wouldn't have sold Stradey twice and picked up the nickname of cash strapped Scarlets.

The two businesses aren’t really comparable. Llandovery have more in common with Division 3 village clubs than a top level professional club. 



I'm with you on this really. Comparisons between professional rugby and community clubs don't really work. Drovers are not self sustaining of course, they have multiple benefactors.

Success in the Prem is really linked to that money. By far and away the best supported team are just 5 points ahead of the RFC and played 2 games more.

Regardless of the WRU 8 team proposal, it's clear that just subsidizing the RFC team by allowing FOC use of PyS etc isn't sustainable. Simon Muderack was on the record recently on that point. The 100-150k needed for recruitment of experienced players to become a team that can compete in the Prem isn't there now, so it has even less chance next year.

It's well know that Quins are suffering some hardships this year too.

The obvious problem is how to bridge the gap between Scarlets Academy and development players needing game time, and the likes of the Drovers wanting to be successful in their league ( by paying players).

Personally, knowing the institutionalized tribalism in all levels of Welsh rugby, I doubt there will be a good outcome here.

As a summary, to me, the Prem should be nothing but a development pathway and stepping stone for the regions to blood talent, assess players, bring through guys needing game time/recovering from injury.




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote reesytheexile Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 March 2023 at 5:56am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Not a dig but why should a self sufficient successful club like Llandovery cede anything to the Scarlets? If we had been half as well run as the Drovers over the years we wouldn't have sold Stradey twice and picked up the nickname of cash strapped Scarlets.

The two businesses aren’t really comparable. Llandovery have more in common with Division 3 village clubs than a top level professional club. 


I'm with you on this really. Comparisons between professional rugby and community clubs don't really work. Drovers are not self sustaining of course, they have multiple benefactors.

Success in the Prem is really linked to that money. By far and away the best supported team are just 5 points ahead of the RFC and played 2 games more.

Regardless of the WRU 8 team proposal, it's clear that just subsidizing the RFC team by allowing FOC use of PyS etc isn't sustainable. Simon Muderack was on the record recently on that point. The 100-150k needed for recruitment of experienced players to become a team that can compete in the Prem isn't there now, so it has even less chance next year.

It's well know that Quins are suffering some hardships this year too.

The obvious problem is how to bridge the gap between Scarlets Academy and development players needing game time, and the likes of the Drovers wanting to be successful in their league ( by paying players).

Personally, knowing the institutionalized tribalism in all levels of Welsh rugby, I doubt there will be a good outcome here.

As a summary, to me, the Prem should be nothing but a development pathway and stepping stone for the regions to blood talent, assess players, bring through guys needing game time/recovering from injury.




Indeed 👍 and that tribalism applies with the Drovers and Quins relationship. You would think it might be all Bon hommie between them as our feeder teams but….🤨 We love our tribalism.Let’s hope any new 8 league allows the Scarlets and the two clubs to work stronger together on a win win win basis for all three and the greater good of West Wales rugby.It will be easier I feel with the RFC out of the way.
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Yes, let's hope indeed!
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Firstly would the quins or Llandovery want to be in this league. Less games and teams weakened by having to play academy players. Secondly where are the players coming from to fill these teams. With funding being cut and squads being reduced surely the regions are going to be more reliant on academy and development players more than ever especially taking in to account injuries and international call ups.  If this was funded properly and used properly it would be a great idea . But I really can't see it working
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To all intents and purposes it's not a new league, it's a reduced prem with you'd imagine the intention being it's full of developing players and senior players who can plug a gap in the URC if needed.

Creating a 'new' league means they don't really need everyone (the prem clubs) to agree to it. It's a backwards but probably necessary way to do it because no-one will willingly step down.

It'll probably work better if they also agree there's no regional A games and the top players in the 18's play in the new league, with smaller squads everywhere don't see players lacking game time do the A games won't likely be needed.
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Originally posted by townboy townboy wrote:

I’ve heard that the RFC are going to disband at the end of the season..hope not as it has huge implications going forward..

I have read this on some social media posts the last couple of days, the RFC are to dispand at the end of the season.

Not sure how much truth is in this ?

Anyone else heard this ?
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https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/famous-llanelli-rfc-club-announces-26580347?int_source=nba

Doesn't look good this..looks arrogant too to think the RFC can simply not play league games next season yet expect to get into a new 8 team Welsh prem automatically ?
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I'm not so sure, perhaps Llandovery and Carmarthen won't want to go into this new 8 team premiership as I think (maybe wrongly) the team selected from our region will be controlled quite a bit by the Scarlets with respect to which players play each week, depending on the regions needs. These clubs may want to stay as independent clubs with pretty good set ups one level lower. 
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Originally posted by insidehalf insidehalf wrote:

I'm not so sure, perhaps Llandovery and Carmarthen won't want to go into this new 8 team premiership as I think (maybe wrongly) the team selected from our region will be controlled quite a bit by the Scarlets with respect to which players play each week, depending on the regions needs. These clubs may want to stay as independent clubs with pretty good set ups one level lower. 
llandovery should be in it on merit  if anyone from the region deserves the sport it’s then think they fairly well off finamce wise tbh depend what the lge is all about i suppose?

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Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/famous-llanelli-rfc-club-announces-26580347?int_source=nba

Doesn't look good this..looks arrogant too to think the RFC can simply not play league games next season yet expect to get into a new 8 team Welsh prem automatically ?
of course they will be init. 
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Imagine ammanford getting to Cardiff ...wow I wonder if gandalf will attend with the rest of the hobbits Wink
Ouch

Good luck to Ammanford in the cup tomorrow 
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Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

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Imagine ammanford getting to Cardiff ...wow I wonder if gandalf will attend with the rest of the hobbits Wink
Ouch

Good luck to Ammanford in the cup tomorrow 


Yes good luck amman....will be a tough game.
Always big packs those clubs from the  east.
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Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

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Imagine ammanford getting to Cardiff ...wow I wonder if gandalf will attend with the rest of the hobbits Wink
Ouch

Good luck to Ammanford in the cup tomorrow 

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Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Imagine ammanford getting to Cardiff ...wow I wonder if gandalf will attend with the rest of the hobbits Wink
Ouch

Good luck to Ammanford in the cup tomorrow 

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 played well but they were a much bigger outfit.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote scarletpimp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 April 2023 at 1:47am
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Imagine ammanford getting to Cardiff ...wow I wonder if gandalf will attend with the rest of the hobbits Wink
Ouch

Good luck to Ammanford in the cup tomorrow 

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Ammanford
 played well but they were a much bigger outfit.

Hard luck Ammanford and well done !
What is it about us west wales boys, , outsized by our cousins from the east.Confused
Even when I played youth district rugby, we were up regularly against East Mon....huge packs.
Had to think of ways to combat it.
Newbridge always combative opponents for Llanelli, in times gone by, very physical and never easy .
Been there twice and seen us lose TWICE !

Hope Ammanford build on this now going forward, will give them confidence
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