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Wasp ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 April 2008 Location: Sunny Pembs Status: Offline Points: 16843 |
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I agree mate. “First they came for the Ospreys” etc.
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We're still still here, but I wish we were in an Anglo-Welsh
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Brainfart ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 September 2022 Location: Carmarthenshire Status: Offline Points: 126 |
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Wrecking Rugby Union. Have they even left the twentieth century? Not far off 3 decades of professional rugby and they're as clueless as ever. They just want 2 pro sides to keep the Wales team ticking over, ruining everything for the non daff wearing true rugby supporters. For which there isn't too many left. I mean look at Pontypridd v Cardiff last night, the supposed House of Pain was hardly packed to the rafters. And I can't see more than 10k - if that, turning up to the Parc in a couple of weeks. The sport is dying here. Its on its knees.
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Grammar School Boy ![]() Veteran ![]() Joined: 27 July 2013 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 1339 |
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..and the WRU is doing its best to ensure it has complete control
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GPR - Rochester ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 December 2014 Location: Rhydcymerau Status: Offline Points: 16025 |
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Firstly thanks Steff. Secondly I am wholeheartedly behind Kid A's suggestions. Time for concerted action by ALL regions - first step remove all players from International duty.
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Gate12 ![]() Veteran ![]() Joined: 10 November 2008 Status: Offline Points: 14667 |
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Every time player release compensation has increased it's been balanced out by extra power for the WRU, it's probably now at the stalemate where neither party think they can 'win' the latest battle and it's now at the point of absurd suggestions like loans. The only thing that has never had to compromise is the national team.
Personally I think a much simpler funding process is needed where it's simply down to release campaign by campaign and a few easy development metrics, it does mean that there's more risk with the clubs because you could go from having a dozen in the national squad to one or 2 depending on form and fitness but that's what competitive sport and business is about, sitting in a comfort zone clearly doesn't work. I can't see anything changing anytime soon though, there's no internal pressure on the WRU so they can afford to keep on dancing this not so merry dance whilst the national team continue to get everything it needs. I do wonder what could have been achieved if the resources going into these discussions was used for something else, maybe it's time we walked away from the table and found out.
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pillory ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 17 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 359 |
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Re: withholding players - A region would want a lawyer's opinion on exposure to action from players re: denial of earning potential with Wales.
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Wasp ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 April 2008 Location: Sunny Pembs Status: Offline Points: 16843 |
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The lawyer would be more interested in the wording of the contract between region and WRU. IRB reg 9 means we have to release 5 days before any international in the agreed window. Not the 4th AI.
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We're still still here, but I wish we were in an Anglo-Welsh
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Lincscarlet ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 30 April 2022 Location: bermuda Status: Offline Points: 399 |
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Muderack has, thankfully, come out swinging - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/62827704
TL:DR version is more debt for the regions is not an option, the benefactor model belongs in the 70's, the WRU needs to agree a multi-year deal so the regions can make multi-year plans like any normal business would, all 4 regions are resolute on this. Oh, and also he seems to suggest he's asking ECPR and URC for finals games to be held at the Parc, reading between the lines
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EJPT ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 February 2012 Location: Berkshire Status: Offline Points: 3197 |
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Another fantastic article Dai Sport.
Simon putting the word out on BBC. We are all aware and I like that its in the public eye. Talks have begun but i won’t read too much into that. The next step would be to have some sort of campaign at each match making supporters more aware of the issues.
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scarletpimp ![]() Veteran ![]() Joined: 22 November 2015 Location: llanelli Status: Offline Points: 1029 |
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Some very interesting and informed comments on here. Can I thank all who have contributed.
It's great that Simon, our CEO, has highlighted these issues now, as WRU cannot then say, they were not warned. Covid obviously dented WRU coffers, like everyone else, but they have other revenue streams coming in. It's certainly a worrying situation, look at Worcester! Think it's a case of "watch this space" now", and see whether there is a response from WRU |
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I stood yer on tanner bank
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RR1972 ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 April 2009 Status: Offline Points: 16807 |
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Lincscarlet ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 30 April 2022 Location: bermuda Status: Offline Points: 399 |
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Good suggestions there tbh mate - I think there's a political will to keep the under 20's in the north but surely as most of the players ae based between Llanelli-Newport it makes far more sense to have them based down here. Wales women rugby would be good too, same reason. I can't see the football ones panning out, purely because once deadpool and his mate have finished revamping the racecourse they will push hard with a lot of clout at the welsh FA for those fixtures I'd imagine. Something you see a lot of elite-level football clubs do in pre season is to hold a mini tournament at their stadium (emirates cup etc), If everyone uses 2 different starting teams you could easily pack a few games in over a weekend or just hold over 2 weekends. The realities of doing that are obviously difficult to organise but it's an idea we could utilise and try to sell the tv rights off privately (split between the competing teams of course) without WRU/URC taking a cut?
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Gate12 ![]() Veteran ![]() Joined: 10 November 2008 Status: Offline Points: 14667 |
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Slight tangent but catching up on a few podcasts recently which as usual referenced the tail wagging the dog when it comes to the structure of Welsh rugby, but as usual there were no specific examples of the amateur element of various WRU boards blocking money/changes at pro level.
Don't get me wrong I completely agree that the structure needs to change, decision making is slower and it's not a fit for purpose model but they take their steer from the 'professionals' and I'm not aware of any proposals to use the CVC funding to solve short term challenges, restructuring of debt or amending the compensation for player release set up getting to them or being opposed by them. They may not be (or almost certainly aren't) challenging the executive team to address these problems but it seems like all the control is sitting with a very, very small group of people. It continues to feel like getting around the table isn't getting us anywhere so might be time to walk away.
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Gate12 ![]() Veteran ![]() Joined: 10 November 2008 Status: Offline Points: 14667 |
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Didn't want to start a new thread and this one seems quite appropriate to bolt onto but feels like now might be an opportune moment to join the English set up.
The last few years haven't really felt like it would fit into the English agenda as they've seemed pretty content with their set up but with financial worries around Worcester and Wasps, the London Irish owner looking to sell up, poor crowds at some clubs like Sale and Newcastle and discussions around promotion/relegation and the size of the English league it feels like there may be a window of opportunity. There's also been question marks around the environmental impact of the URC which will likely grow and Europe feels like it's being increasingly marginalised with the format changes. Personally I'd happily take 2 tiers of 10 pro teams (bottom 3 prem teams relegated, 4 Welsh and 3 from the championship) with 2 up/down every season. The Scottish teams could easily fit into this as well with 2 leagues of 12. It makes pretty much every game driveable, grows crowds and matchday income, gives the leagues jeopardy and adds an extra dimension to the leagues with old rivalries renewed. Rugby is trying to spread itself too widely and it's just a matter of time imo before we lose clubs and change is forced, might as well address it before we get to that point.
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157cb ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 January 2007 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 16963 |
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Apparently five English clubs having major financial problems.
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Rob Hunt ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 03 April 2020 Location: Burry Port Status: Offline Points: 305 |
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Saw an article a few weeks ago reporting debts as: Wasps £112million, Bristol £57million (reported elsewhere as £51million), Saracens £40million, Newcastle £39 million, Bath £37million. |
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