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Oracle ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 September 2022 Location: North pole Status: Offline Points: 1964 |
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No way do we want to join that crazy English league... we are in the best league now... world champions, best teams in Europe.... its not the league that needs changing its the lack of our ability to win....I dont think its the players but the coaches that hold us back... focus on coaches will be better than trying to sign expend players
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Realwest ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 August 2015 Location: Milford Haven Status: Offline Points: 633 |
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Wasps look to be going into administration as they have missed payments they are due to make as per premiership guidance they should be automatically relegated
Worcester also have failed to pay staff and will possibly not be able to play in their next fixture
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Gate12 ![]() Veteran ![]() Joined: 10 November 2008 Status: Offline Points: 14673 |
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Although coaching is obviously a factor in success it's hard to argue that finances, population and player availability amongst other things don't have a big impact on our ability to compete, and playing in a league where there is no mechanisms (i.e. wage caps, agreed release across the league) to create a reasonably level playing field then we're relying on once a generation luck in terms of player and coaching quality which isn't a consistent model. In the league we're basically competing with the Irish national team in Leinster to win it and the approach various governing bodies decide to go with has a huge bearing on our ability to compete consistently, this is why there's so much apathy towards the league and has been for over a decade. We can put as much hope and faith in the team as we want but ultimately we're not in control of our own destiny, and personally I'd rather be on a more level playing field with less variables (which would involve a different compensation model for player release with our union) and take it to the English. Or we can just cross our fingers.
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RR1972 ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 April 2009 Status: Offline Points: 16919 |
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If population is an issue with the irish itll be a bigger issue with the english? I’m all for joining tbh but realistixally we would be in a relegation scrap most years
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Gate12 ![]() Veteran ![]() Joined: 10 November 2008 Status: Offline Points: 14673 |
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Like I said its one of the factors, amongst many others.
Only Bristol have a higher population than Dublin and Glasgow. Obviously the South Africans populations are much much higher. But there's no point in getting hung up on one factor, its the collection of factors that needs to be looked at as a whole.
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RR1972 ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 April 2009 Status: Offline Points: 16919 |
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salmidach ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 August 2004 Location: I Love Llanelli Status: Offline Points: 12710 |
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to get better coaches, you need better revenue streams. If we joined the English Prem then I would say that there is a very high probability that our revenue streams will increase due to larger attendances. For me personally, I couldn't care less about playing the lions, bulls, or any team from the other countries tbh.... hell I'd even consider after finishing my training to move back to Wales to have quality opposition that is within daily travelling distance (Apart from Newcastle) week in week out....
The URC is a bag of poo. The Irish don't care about it, The Scots are only in it as there isn't a scottish alternative. The Italian teams have improved, but that hasn't been replicated properly through the international team and don't get me started on the saffers. |
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Gate12 ![]() Veteran ![]() Joined: 10 November 2008 Status: Offline Points: 14673 |
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Well there's 3 London (ish) clubs but they've got football to compete with. Like I said its just 1 factor of many.
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salmidach ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 August 2004 Location: I Love Llanelli Status: Offline Points: 12710 |
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Manchester?
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They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance - Terry Pratchett
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Gate12 ![]() Veteran ![]() Joined: 10 November 2008 Status: Offline Points: 14673 |
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You mean sale?
For the 3rd time population was 1 of many factors so let's not get hung up on it just to win a small battle.
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ladram ![]() Rambler ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 April 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 26100 |
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Given the governance of the game in Wales I'd say that would happen whatever league we are in.
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RR1972 ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 April 2009 Status: Offline Points: 16919 |
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Join and anglo english lge
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Wasp ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 April 2008 Location: Sunny Pembs Status: Offline Points: 16848 |
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Relegation won't be around much longer. That's not the worry.
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We're still still here, but I wish we were in an Anglo-Welsh
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Wasp ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 April 2008 Location: Sunny Pembs Status: Offline Points: 16848 |
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PRL have a salary cap which is a positive for us. They also shop in a pool of similar salary expectations.
Leinster and Munster and possibly Ulster have budgets we will never match. The SA teams have in recent years begun access to a huge pool of young, black athletically gifted and frankly poor population, so do really well on a very small budget. PRL is run by and for its clubs. It often battles the RFU in order to preserve the integrity of the competition. URC is owned by the unions and therefore has totally different priorities. PRL won't allow multiple clubs owned by the same entity. Everyone has to be genuinely fighting to beat the others. The IRFU and SRU can tell their clubs to do anything, put out weakened teams, transfer players in-between clubs etc. You don't need to worry about air travel to go to an away game in the PRL. Whether it's £££ or carbon footprint or just multiple days lost travelling, that's a massive bonus.
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We're still still here, but I wish we were in an Anglo-Welsh
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ladram ![]() Rambler ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 April 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 26100 |
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scarletnut ![]() Veteran ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 April 2009 Status: Offline Points: 14151 |
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I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1
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