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Let’s be honest, there isn’t a single politician in the country that people wouldn’t say is another Boris if they run for pm. It’s a no win situation if you’re not a Tory. 
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Both candidates are basically trying to appeal to the Tory membership - mainly wealthy men who live in SE England.

It's obvious that what 'most' people want would include these:
1. help with fuel bills (eg capping the increases, maybe)
2. improved public services (NHS, education, transport)

It's also obvious that 'cutting taxes' is far more useful to the wealthy than to average earners and below, so that is of no use to most voters - but it may appeal to the Tory members.

So, basically, we ought to be having a general election where matters of concern to most of us could be debated between the parties - but that isn't what's on offer.
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Both candidates are basically trying to appeal to the Tory membership - mainly wealthy men who live in SE England.

It's obvious that what 'most' people want would include these:
1. help with fuel bills (eg capping the increases, maybe)
2. improved public services (NHS, education, transport)

It's also obvious that 'cutting taxes' is far more useful to the wealthy than to average earners and below, so that is of no use to most voters - but it may appeal to the Tory members.

So, basically, we ought to be having a general election where matters of concern to most of us could be debated between the parties - but that isn't what's on offer.

Totally agree. Anytime a Tory leader is forced from office due to losing the support of his MP's we should have a general election. However that may be far too simplistic as most of the Tory MP's do not the scruples to risk losing their cushy £80K per annum regardless of how much of a liar the PM is. 
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Both candidates are basically trying to appeal to the Tory membership - mainly wealthy men who live in SE England.

It's obvious that what 'most' people want would include these:
1. help with fuel bills (eg capping the increases, maybe)
2. improved public services (NHS, education, transport)

It's also obvious that 'cutting taxes' is far more useful to the wealthy than to average earners and below, so that is of no use to most voters - but it may appeal to the Tory members.

So, basically, we ought to be having a general election where matters of concern to most of us could be debated between the parties - but that isn't what's on offer.
we had a ge the torys won at a canter we don’t have a presidental election system, we want improved transport we have a wa that voted down the m4 relief road i suggest you direct you ire closer to home

Edited by RR1972 - 09 August 2022 at 4:40pm
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the issue is the unwritten constitution.

whilst the rhetoric is we vote for our local MP, we really don't though. We vote for who we think would be better leading the country. GE's are all about the popularity of the leaders. I'd say that the majority of voters are dumb and lazy. not many would read the manifestos, most would never interact with their local MP. A lot would just look at the party name and logo and put a cross in that box for how they are feeling at the time of voting...

So IMO we definitely need a GE, because Truss will be the next PM voted by 0.001% of the population or 0.002% of people of voting age...
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Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

the issue is the unwritten constitution.

whilst the rhetoric is we vote for our local MP, we really don't though. We vote for who we think would be better leading the country. GE's are all about the popularity of the leaders. I'd say that the majority of voters are dumb and lazy. not many would read the manifestos, most would never interact with their local MP. A lot would just look at the party name and logo and put a cross in that box for how they are feeling at the time of voting...

So IMO we definitely need a GE, because Truss will be the next PM voted by 0.001% of the population or 0.002% of people of voting age...
Also, it can’t be good selecting from a field of candidates where any cabinet member has been there primarily because they’ve been yes people to Boris and abilities weren’t really that much of a factor.
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Where the he'll is Labour and Kier Starmer?  They should be all over the tories making easy political hay.  Not on telly not in the papers not on social media.  They are no longer the Labour Party more like Lazy party.
Are they all on holidays at the same time?  They should have rostered their top shadow ministers so the there’s  at least two available for interviews and comment.
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Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

the issue is the unwritten constitution.

whilst the rhetoric is we vote for our local MP, we really don't though. We vote for who we think would be better leading the country. GE's are all about the popularity of the leaders. I'd say that the majority of voters are dumb and lazy. not many would read the manifestos, most would never interact with their local MP. A lot would just look at the party name and logo and put a cross in that box for how they are feeling at the time of voting...

So IMO we definitely need a GE, because Truss will be the next PM voted by 0.001% of the population or 0.002% of people of voting age...
we didnt have a  instant ge when brown replaced blair or may cameron l or major from thatcher did we? The tory party had a massive majority the leader of any party is elected by the members. This per centage of the people stuff etc has never and will never apply to ekecting party leaders. 

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Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Where the he'll is Labour and Kier Starmer?  They should be all over the tories making easy political hay.  Not on telly not in the papers not on social media.  They are no longer the Labour Party more like Lazy party.
Are they all on holidays at the same time?  They should have rostered their top shadow ministers so the there’s  at least two available for interviews and comment.
I am in despair at the state of British governance.

all on hols! It is a shambles. Boris has basically downed tools to, all useless
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Where the he'll is Labour and Kier Starmer?  They should be all over the tories making easy political hay.  Not on telly not in the papers not on social media.  They are no longer the Labour Party more like Lazy party.
Are they all on holidays at the same time?  They should have rostered their top shadow ministers so the there’s  at least two available for interviews and comment.
I am in despair at the state of British governance.

all on hols! It is a shambles. Boris has basically downed tools to, all useless
have a look at GMB this morning and see the contrast in attitude's to the crisis between james cleverly and martin lewis.Angry
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Both candidates are basically trying to appeal to the Tory membership - mainly wealthy men who live in SE England.

It's obvious that what 'most' people want would include these:
1. help with fuel bills (eg capping the increases, maybe)
2. improved public services (NHS, education, transport)

It's also obvious that 'cutting taxes' is far more useful to the wealthy than to average earners and below, so that is of no use to most voters - but it may appeal to the Tory members.

So, basically, we ought to be having a general election where matters of concern to most of us could be debated between the parties - but that isn't what's on offer.

Dont forget sme's most of whom were wiped out by the pandemic....whilst the corporate behemoths grew ever larger.....politicians on all sides dont mention sme's anymore....Yet theyre the biggest empoyers in the country and pay far more proportionally to the treasury and councils in licenses, taxes and so on than the big sharks  
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Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

the issue is the unwritten constitution.

whilst the rhetoric is we vote for our local MP, we really don't though. We vote for who we think would be better leading the country. GE's are all about the popularity of the leaders. I'd say that the majority of voters are dumb and lazy. not many would read the manifestos, most would never interact with their local MP. A lot would just look at the party name and logo and put a cross in that box for how they are feeling at the time of voting...

So IMO we definitely need a GE, because Truss will be the next PM voted by 0.001% of the population or 0.002% of people of voting age...
we didnt have a  instant ge when brown replaced blair or may cameron l or major from thatcher did we? The tory party had a massive majority the leader of any party is elected by the members. This per centage of the people stuff etc has never and will never apply to ekecting party leaders. 


The difference with those leadership campaigns was that they were taking place solely for political party reasons and when the country was in a fairly stable position, so there is no comparison with right now. 
We have had 6 month of save top dog politics, whilst the nation falls/sleepwalks into its biggest recession/financial crisis in almost 70 years.  We have a PM who has now had all powers relinquished so no one is able to make any decisions right now (over financial support for the most needy).  By the time the next PM is elected it will be too late for most of the people struggling at the moment.
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Truss has pronised all sorts of goodies hasn’t she? Rest assured we we won’t be getting a snap ge so pointless getting worked up about it, even kier can’t lose the next election to this lot!

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So Liz Truss has gone public about not wanting to issue any more windfall taxes on energy companies, the very energy companies who have made even greater profits in the past 2 months than they did before Sunak taxed them (whilst chancellor following pressure to do so by labour and the Lib Dems).
She declared that profit should not be seen as greed or a dirty word, but when millions are seeing their hard earned wages going on just surviving it’s completely insensitive to say such things and to rule out taxing the profits they are making from this energy crisis.
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The energy companys are making a fortune just wait untill winter hits, grim times ahead
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Truss would be a laugh as PM, she actually could be worse than Johnson. 

Simultaneously criticising the civil service for being woke and having rising anti-semitism (no evidence for either but an amusing paradox), likening the Jewish faith as inherently Conservative (a weird generalisation), having to back track on her own press releases as "misunderstood", she will say literally anything to get votes. Her actual policies are as empty as her head.
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