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    Posted: 17 September 2023 at 5:57pm
So Australia v Fiji thus far with our poor performance and we won 🤷‍♂️ just saying   Our game with Australia is looking to be very interesting at the moment
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote roy munster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 September 2023 at 6:47pm
So fiji finally lay their aussie bogey to rest............69 years wow
this is not really a good result for us as it means 3 wins may not get us through the group
suddenly the aussie game is a big 1
It does as you suggest give some perspective on our fiji win, theyre a super talented side
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote scarletabroad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 September 2023 at 6:52pm
Whilst our scrum has been iffy Australia is much worse. Line out Aussies much better. Our back row if we can emulate Fiji game we could win that area. Centres probably a major weak spot. Gonna be interesting
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote roy munster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 September 2023 at 6:56pm
we were poor at breakdown against the portuguese and outmuscled by fijian breakdown
lineouts Id get the scrum half to throw in , no joke
lake cant throw darts but hes useful everywhere else

rowlands, faletau cawdor wil be crucial 
a defeat may send us out especially if we lose by more than 7


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Most points Fiji and Aus can get is 16- we need 17 to guarantee qualification so if we keep Aus to a win with no BP take a losing one ourselves and get 5 points v Georgia we will be fine. Two wins would be better but …
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Originally posted by Kentexile Kentexile wrote:

Most points Fiji and Aus can get is 16- we need 17 to guarantee qualification so if we keep Aus to a win with no BP take a losing one ourselves and get 5 points v Georgia we will be fine. Two wins would be better but …

Yes thats the way I see it Mark. I can see us pushing Australia and we will have 13 days to get our first team ready for Georgia. Gats could only have dreamt that he would be in the position he is in before the tournament. Fijian fans will be singing hymns and arias next weekend. 
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Originally posted by Kentexile Kentexile wrote:

Most points Fiji and Aus can get is 16- we need 17 to guarantee qualification so if we keep Aus to a win with no BP take a losing one ourselves and get 5 points v Georgia we will be fine. Two wins would be better but …
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We need 16 points to be sure as our match day win over Fiji is the first decider when teams finish level on points.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rob Hunt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 September 2023 at 8:53am
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Kentexile Kentexile wrote:

Most points Fiji and Aus can get is 16- we need 17 to guarantee qualification so if we keep Aus to a win with no BP take a losing one ourselves and get 5 points v Georgia we will be fine. Two wins would be better but …
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We need 16 points to be sure as our match day win over Fiji is the first decider when teams finish level on points.
There is a possibility that we, together with Australia and Fiji, could finish level on points. How would placing be decided in that case? 
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Points difference first for a 3 way tie

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Originally posted by Kentexile Kentexile wrote:

Points difference first for a 3 way tie


Im not sure thats right....

Originally posted by RWC2023 RWC2023 wrote:


If at the completion of the pool phase two or more Teams are level on Match points, then the following criteria shall be used in the following order until one of the Teams can be determined as the higher ranked:

  1. The winner of the Match in which the two tied Teams have played each other shall be the higher ranked.
  2. The Team which has the best difference between points scored for and points scored against in all its pool Matches shall be the higher ranked.
  3. The Team which has the best difference between tries scored for and tries scored against in all its pool Matches shall be the higher ranked.
  4. The Team which has scored most points in all its pool Matches shall be the higher ranked.
  5. The Team which has scored most tries in all its pool Matches shall be the higher ranked.
  6. Should the tie be unresolved at the conclusion of steps 1 through 5, the rankings as per the updated. Official World Rugby World Rankings on October 14, 2019 will determine the higher ranked Team.

For clarification, in the case of a tie between three or more Teams at the end of the pool phase, once the highest ranked Team has been determined following the above criteria, to determine the next higher ranked Team the process would repeat, starting at criterion 1.


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If we lose to Australia then assuming the other 2 teams aren’t in the mix then the head to head outcome falls away as all teams will have one win against the other teams if tied on eg 16 points 
In that case it goes to points difference or as world rugby puts it
  1. The Team which has the best difference between points scored for and points scored against in all its pool Matches shall be the higher ranked.
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[QUOTE=Kentexile]If we lose to Australia then assuming the other 2 teams aren’t in the mix then the head to head outcome falls away as all teams will have one win against the other teams if tied on eg 16 points 
In that case it goes to points difference or as world rugby puts it
  1. The Team which has the best difference between points scored for and points scored against in all its pool Matches shall be the higher ranked.
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Looks right to me Mark. 
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Cheers - nursing a slightly bad head in Nice so confirmation welcomed!
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The last two matches in our group are Wales/Georgia on 7 October and Fiji/Portugal on 8th, so if it comes down to points difference both countries will be at an advantage compared to Australia, particularly Fiji.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wil Chips Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 September 2023 at 10:57am
It’s very possible that 3 teams will end up on 16pts.

It’s a bit of a charade if that happens.

I have elected to go with Wales beating Australia and Georgia and topping the group.
It’s far easier on the brain.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote scarletabroad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 September 2023 at 11:25am
I do believe that we can win against Australia and actually being in France will be better for us as opposed to the cauldron and pressure effect that the Millennium has. Which will hopefully negate all the brain squashing maths and variables
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