Players moving during penalty kicks
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Topic: Players moving during penalty kicks
Posted By: 9331101972
Subject: Players moving during penalty kicks
Date Posted: 10 March 2013 at 5:27pm
| I can't help noticing that players are moving accross the line of sight of a player taking a penalty kick at goal. There was a glaring example today when Italy missed a very kickable shot. It used to be the case that players had to stand perfectly still when a penalty was being taken. Has there been a rule change that those of us who want to see fair play have missed? |
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Posted By: scarletman
Date Posted: 11 March 2013 at 4:45pm
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http://www.irblaws.com/index.php?highlight=Stand%20Still&law=21.5" rel="nofollow - Law 21: Penalty and Free Kicks
http://www.irblaws.com/index.php?highlight=Stand%20Still&law=21.5" rel="nofollow - 21.5 Scoring a goal from a penalty kick
If the kicker indicates to the referee the intent to kick at goal, the opposing team must stand still with their hands by their sides from the time the kicker starts to approach to kick until the ball is kicked.
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Posted By: 9331101972
Date Posted: 11 March 2013 at 5:25pm
There is an awful lot of gamesmanship going on then. Referees should should administer the rule. Can a kicker appeal if he feels he has been distracted?
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scarletman wrote:Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 11 March 2013 at 8:28pm
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If they move & the kicker misses, let the kick be retaken. They'll soon stop. ------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind. |
Posted By: Scarletstarch
Date Posted: 11 March 2013 at 8:33pm
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Have noticed a few times down Parc y Scarlets when we are taking kicks an opposition player goes down and a physio comes on and quite often it is in line with the kicker's vision, surely this should not be allowed as it must be a distraction! ------------- "YMA O HYD" |
Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 12 March 2013 at 3:25am
Just saw an incident like it in the Kings S15 game re-run this morning...player started runnig towards the kicker before he started his run up...kicker missed, ref pinged the runner and the kick was re-taken...replay showed ref was spot on. (He kicked it second time). |
Posted By: haydn_davies
Date Posted: 12 March 2013 at 7:25am
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During the Wales v Scotland match, as 1/2p is lining up a penalty, Hamilton (IIRC) is standing 10m away with his hands on his head, technically contravening the laws, which I thought he was at the time, yet the ref just let's play carry on. Something which the Scots may have looked into to put him off as he missed a few on Sarurday? ------------- Think, think, think - it's a thinking man's game!! - The Great Carwyn James. |
Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 12 March 2013 at 7:27am
Must've been in Joubert's blind spot. ------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind. |
Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 12 March 2013 at 8:46am
Indeed. Scarletman - why don't international (class) referees apply this law? They seem extra finicky about some other ones...? Players are always moving about, or putting their hands behind their heads, then removing them... and so on. ------------- “You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift) |
Posted By: scarletman
Date Posted: 12 March 2013 at 2:50pm
I've just asked the IRB to forward me all their mobiles so I can ask them !   That is a question I will never answer, as mind reading/psychology are not my strongest subjects !  ------------- |
Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 13 March 2013 at 7:55am
Indeed! Just thought that maybe you meet some of these people at ref's conferences or whatever... ------------- “You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift) |
Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 25 May 2013 at 7:37pm
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OK, here's a good one. As "the opposing team must stand still with their hands by their sides from the time the kicker starts to approach to kick until the ball is kicked", then what about after he has kicked? I'm thinking of our HC semi final against Leicester back in the day, and THAT kick. What if two players had lifted a third player, who caught the ball just before it skimmed over the bar, and thus prevented the score? Would that be allowed? ------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Scarlet. |
Posted By: Ian Lewis
Date Posted: 25 May 2013 at 7:46pm
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If I'm not mistaken didn't something like that happen at Stradey against Gloucester in the HC. Ian Jones was lifted right in front of the posts and knocked it down, if my memory serves me right. The strange thing was that no deliberate knock on was given. ------------- It's not always about where you end up, it's about how you get there. |
Posted By: Abbey
Date Posted: 25 May 2013 at 8:47pm
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It was indeed against Gloucester in the home game (the away game was the one where they dropped a goal and it bounced over via our prop's backside). I'm sure that if it happened today it would surely be a yellow card for preventing a scoring opportunity. At the time, the ref gave us a scrum for a knock on. |
Posted By: John
Date Posted: 25 May 2013 at 10:26pm
| That scam of lifting a player to knock the ball down was outlawed soon after it started. Although as Abbey says, it was always a knock-on and a scrum under the posts. |
Posted By: Mrfwon
Date Posted: 03 June 2013 at 3:41pm
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Didn't Martin Roberts get pinged for something like this at Y Parc recently, and the ref awarded the kick to be taken a second time? ------------- Scarlets!!! |
Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 03 June 2013 at 5:50pm
------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Scarlet. |
Posted By: Mrfwon
Date Posted: 04 June 2013 at 9:11am
Yeah, I thought so, and then the second attempt went over. Can't remember who it was against, but remember it being an important 3 points to the opposition. ------------- Scarlets!!! |
Posted By: salmidach
Date Posted: 04 June 2013 at 10:19am
wasn't it against the Ospreys, where Nigel Owen's then sent him to the bin for back chat.. ------------- They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance - Terry Pratchett |
Posted By: Mrfwon
Date Posted: 04 June 2013 at 10:47am
Yes, that's the one! well remembered!  ------------- Scarlets!!! |
Posted By: scarletman
Date Posted: 23 August 2013 at 4:23pm
Once the ball is kicked, the ball is "live" and in play, so all players can move provided they were onside when the ball was kicked ... Remember Gareth Maule's try that was/wasn't ! Defence stood still, Darth followed it up ! ------------- |