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Topic: Scarlets new number 8 ?
Posted By: 157cb
Subject: Scarlets new number 8 ?
Date Posted: 03 March 2014 at 7:14pm
Is this the new Scarlets number 8 for next season maybe 35 but did nt come in to pro rugby until he was 26 or 27 years of age .London Irish fans are convinced he has signed for us ,going to terrorise defences of our powerful scrum .
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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 03 March 2014 at 8:03pm
Nothing wrong with a mature narled beast in a team for 2 years -what about  (cant recall his christian name ) Shaw who played till he was 37 in England-beast of a forward-its all about fitness levels and skills


Posted By: Turkish Fez
Date Posted: 03 March 2014 at 8:12pm
Makes sense he was sitting with Gypo during the Munster game. Had to have been impressed with that performance by both the team and the crowd who I here were also on good form.

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Posted By: turkishrebel
Date Posted: 03 March 2014 at 8:13pm
he guy can certainly play and is a ball carrier. he does though have a bad record for getting himself banned...but with us being near of the fair play league anyhow, who cares!!!
seriously, he would be good for 2 years and give us go forward from the base.

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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 03 March 2014 at 8:15pm
Senior moment recovered SIMON SHAW -he was no youngster either ! would have loved him in our second row frankly! Smile ... Shift+R improves the quality of this image. CTRL+F5 reloads the whole page.


Posted By: gofer88
Date Posted: 03 March 2014 at 8:30pm
Personally don't think this is a good signing. Yes he is a good carrier but at 35 past his best and a poor discipline record. If he's just a back up 8 then not so bad but if this is all we are signing I'd rather stick with rob.

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Posted By: omri jones
Date Posted: 03 March 2014 at 8:37pm
Some impressive clips in that video. We certainly need someone like him to share a half each with Timani. I'm just trying to work out which one would be best to start with. On the whole I'd start with the bigger Timani, to wear down the opposition, and then when the game opens up bring on Hala'Ufia, who is faster and more dynamic (and also more likely to get carded)  -Nick Williams -who needs him?

 Sorry I'm getting way ahead of myself now. Still where would we be without our dreams. 

 




Posted By: Pembsamos
Date Posted: 03 March 2014 at 8:43pm
Will timani be with us next season?


Posted By: philtheturk56
Date Posted: 03 March 2014 at 8:48pm
Strangely enough Derwyn Jones was getting out of his Merc today in Bryn Area... may be acting for someone!!!


Posted By: haydn_davies
Date Posted: 03 March 2014 at 9:06pm
I agree with Gofer on this one.

The age factor isn't really putting me off TBH, but his disciplinary record is.

We need players on the pitch not in the bin.

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Posted By: PearlJam
Date Posted: 03 March 2014 at 9:31pm
The guy is a scum-bag isn't he? But to be fair to him, he puts in a shift and the only time he seems to miss a game is when he's suspended or being disciplined.



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Posted By: thescarlet
Date Posted: 03 March 2014 at 9:45pm
Originally posted by gofer88 gofer88 wrote:

Personally don't think this is a good signing. Yes he is a good carrier but at 35 past his best and a poor discipline record. If he's just a back up 8 then not so bad but if this is all we are signing I'd rather stick with rob.

personally I cant see why we don't start Sione Timani at 8, soon as he came on against edinborough and munster this week, he tore them apart taking out 4 or 5 players a time and making ground and controlling things from the back, rob is getting better yes- but he does lose control of his feet at 8- with turnbull going towards the bridge next season, maybe Timani is the fix we are looking for! and move rob to 6

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Posted By: Turkish Fez
Date Posted: 03 March 2014 at 9:54pm
Have I missed something here? I know he had a blinder against Ulster but how many games at Regional level has he played at 8. More importantly how many games has he played this season in any position for anyone at any level. Sorry if it was deemed he was not good enough to fill that role last year because if his fitness and footballing ability then I cannot see what's changed. If the London Irish lad is coming so be it, could there be a Jake Ball of an 8 out there for us to develop over the next year 18 months with Rob covering as no.3.

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Posted By: gofer88
Date Posted: 03 March 2014 at 11:00pm
Sione is really struggling with injuries, I believe it's his knees. This is probably one reason why he's not on a full contract with us this season. He has had a couple of great performances but I'm pretty sure he won't be here next year. After all he was off to agen last season until it fell through last minute.

If halu'afia stays fit and on the pitch he will give us a different dimension but I'd like to think we would sign someone in their mid to late 20s who can offer a lot more than a 35 year old.

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Posted By: PearlJam
Date Posted: 03 March 2014 at 11:02pm
Timani can't take the rigours of pro-rugby. Did you see his knees on Saturday? They had more bandages than the set of Casualty. o Holby City, depending on your fancy.

After that Ulster game, where he had a career high, he hsnt sarted a game since, has he? Shame. Easters did talk about him being alittle injury prone he? For a player at 8, that aint ideal! A least Chris H plays consecutive games. That'll do until we unearth the next Lions 8.


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Posted By: OwainLlanedi
Date Posted: 03 March 2014 at 11:05pm
Watched that video with an open mind and I'm convinced. Forget the age/discipline etc. He's the type of number 8 I've been craving for years. Maybe a quick short-term fix is what we need for a season or two until our situation stabilizes.

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Posted By: KID A
Date Posted: 03 March 2014 at 11:06pm
Originally posted by PearlJam PearlJam wrote:

Chris H


You just couldn't be bothered to spell his surname properly could you.

#Lazy


Posted By: thescarlet
Date Posted: 03 March 2014 at 11:29pm
Originally posted by PearlJam PearlJam wrote:

Timani can't take the rigours of pro-rugby. Did you see his knees on Saturday? They had more bandages than the set of Casualty. o Holby City, depending on your fancy.

After that Ulster game, where he had a career high, he hsnt sarted a game since, has he? Shame. Easters did talk about him being alittle injury prone he? For a player at 8, that aint ideal! A least Chris H plays consecutive games. That'll do until we unearth the next Lions 8.

started against Gloucester didn't come back on second half- it was hips when I was talking to him- seen him walk recently shame

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Posted By: Milli
Date Posted: 03 March 2014 at 11:35pm
Originally posted by Turkish Fez Turkish Fez wrote:

Makes sense he was sitting with Gypo during the Munster game. Had to have been impressed with that performance by both the team and the crowd who I here were also on good form.

It was Timani's brother not Hala'Ufia


Posted By: Dan the Drover
Date Posted: 03 March 2014 at 11:37pm
I hope that if the Scarlets do sign a number 8, we get one who remembers how to get the ball out of a scrum that is actually going forward. I realise this is a relatively recent problem for the Scarlets, after years of having to scramble the ball out from rapidly retreating scrums, but it's getting embarrassing, and must royally p#ss off our now effective front 5.


Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 03 March 2014 at 11:44pm
I can't believe we are talking about a 35 year old who has a shocking disciplinery record. I think we are on the verge of something very special down the Scarlets and with right vision and a big punt in a world class 8 we could be a frightening prospect next season. We have two very good front rows to pick from three outstanding 2nd rows 3 very good and in Barclay genuine quality flankers. Two very good 9's outsta ring 10 three maybe four quality centres and quality back three which needs a bit of strengthening depth wise. We are on the way up and if we keep nucleus of side together will be up there competing.

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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 10:49am
Put him on a performance 'on the field' £ bonus ie more bonus if get no cards or a quota/card cap !!


Posted By: SirBurger
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 10:49am
Irish fan here in peace...

Just wanted to clarify one thing - Chris's disciplinary record has been markedly improved in recent seasons. He got a red card last season which was a perfectly legitimate tackle and was overturned and one yellow for a leading elbow. But that was it. This season he got a yellow and a 3 match ban. However, most would agree that he was fairly innocent in this offence. He cleared a player out at a ruck, lifting one of his legs to drive the player back. Unbeknown to Chris, another Irish player had lifted the player's other leg, resulting in the player being lifted up and tipping over. The fact that only Chris was reprimanded and not our other player (think it was your old boy Fenby for the record), shows that his reputation precedes him. However, as an overall he has been much improved in this facet of his game. 

Also worth bearing in mind that in his first season with us (08/09) he started every single Premiership match and did not get a single card. 

I think he will be a good fix for you. He is my favourite player, primarily for the go-forward he brings to the side. I am sad to see him go, but think it is the age factor for us. Players at other clubs regularly refer to him as the hardest player in the Premiership on twitter and I look forward to him doing well for you. 


Posted By: SirBurger
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 10:50am
To add - his reputation has taken over when it comes to bans. RFU tend to throw the book at him, even for seemingly innocent offences. He probably won't face the same issue in Wales, where he will hopefully be judged more objectively. 


Posted By: scarletman
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 11:06am
Most of his suspensions have been for high/late tackles ...

This one was appealed and the Red Card (& subsequent 5 week ban) was rescinded !




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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 11:52am
Originally posted by SirBurger SirBurger wrote:

To add - his reputation has taken over when it comes to bans. RFU tend to throw the book at him, even for seemingly innocent offences. He probably won't face the same issue in Wales, where he will hopefully be judged more objectively. 



Thanks for the in-sight.

As an aside have you guys to taken to Andy Fenby?


Posted By: SirBurger
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 11:55am
He has been solid but unspectacular to be honest. He seems more adept at stepping through and under players in tight channels than taking them on and beating them for pace out wide. 

Has scored a hatful of tries in the Amlin but has failed to fully break into the Premiership squad. It is a very competitive area of our squad as things stand though, with Ojo, Lewington, Yarde and Tagicakibau all good players. With Yarde and Tagicakibau both off, I suspect he will feature more next season. 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 11:56am
Cheers for that..



Posted By: Iwlew
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 12:12pm
Awful discipline, but a short year or so will be alright, while they try to find a long term number 8. 

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Posted By: Mrfwon
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 12:29pm
Originally posted by Turkish Fez Turkish Fez wrote:

Makes sense he was sitting with Gypo during the Munster game. Had to have been impressed with that performance by both the team and the crowd who I here were also on good form.
 
Ahhhh, that makes perfect sense now! I remember wondering to myself who that was Thumbs Up


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Posted By: Mrfwon
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 12:32pm
Originally posted by Milli Milli wrote:

Originally posted by Turkish Fez Turkish Fez wrote:

Makes sense he was sitting with Gypo during the Munster game. Had to have been impressed with that performance by both the team and the crowd who I here were also on good form.

It was Timani's brother not Hala'Ufia
Was it? LOL If it was, he snookered me, I thought that it was Hala'Ufia! LOLLOLLOL

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Posted By: Mrfwon
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 12:35pm
Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Most of his suspensions have been for high/late tackles ...

This one was appealed and the Red Card (& subsequent 5 week ban) was rescinded !


Good tackle that! Thumbs Up

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Posted By: NobbySosban
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 12:39pm
Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Most of his suspensions have been for high/late tackles ...

This one was appealed and the Red Card (& subsequent 5 week ban) was rescinded.



I was at that London Welsh v London Irish game - remember the mahoosive hit on Seb Jewell quite early on, but everyone being slightly perplexed that he got a red for it, then Welsh made hard work of winning the game 15-9.



Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 1:33pm
What on earth was wrong with that tackle!!! he tackled with both arms and went to ground with the target-awful decision! he looks fit not fat and having him at 8 is going to be great for us!


Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 1:39pm
Can't really understand the negativity of some regarding this potential signing.

For some time we have been crying out for an 8. This man is one and going by the clips has also played 6 and 7.

What do we want in an 8?
For me I want someone who knows exactly to get over the gain line on a regular basis. he does that extremely well.
Someone who can control the back of a scrum. Going by past performances he ain't too bad at that either.
Something extra, someone who can put in a big hit when defending. He does that often.
Someone who has experience. He has plenty of this with top performances v aviva teams, pro 12 teams and French teams. we would be daft not to snap him up.
Put it like this...if any of the other regions would have signed him, this forum would have gone into meltdown asking why on earth were not able to attract him.

Fact of the matter is he's not only an 8, he's a big ball carrier and big hitter. He is an aggressive player. he is ruthless. all keys that our pack, heck not even pack, the entire team lacks.
We have a few moments where we show some aggression and it's great to see, but took often we seem 'too nice'. This signing would really add an edge to our play whether it's attack or defence. We need players in the team that will make other teams wary of us on or off the ball. He can certainly help us there.

We have no idea who is available, and at what price, but I think we would be foolish to let this one slip.

We have not had a player capable of these things since Finau. He attracted many people because of his big hits and runs...hopefully Chris H can have a similar effect.


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 1:45pm
Spot on PE SA-have a thanks !!
 
He also looks skilful player with ball in hand with some nice passes/offloads -skill and power as well as being able to play 6/7 it seems. I would take a season or 2 of him and also hopefully what he can bring to the other forwards ! (training sessions should be spiced up too!LOL )


Posted By: Sosban bach
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 1:53pm
Certainly not a spear tackle that's for sure. Mismatch in size and flattens the attacker. He tackled his body didnt lift his legs an drive him into the ground. Confused.com


Posted By: Matt1715
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 2:01pm
Wasn't Tiatia 35 when he joined the Ospreys? He is still playing for Irish so must be in tidy shape. He Carries well, puts in some big hits and is experienced. Considering where we are and the sort of budget we have compared to other teams in the transfer market I think he could be a good signing.


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 2:18pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

What on earth was wrong with that tackle!!! he tackled with both arms and went to ground with the target-awful decision! he looks fit not fat and having him at 8 is going to be great for us!


Under the laws of the game as soon as he lifts his legs above the Horizontal it becomes a foul tackle, up to the ref if he deemed it yellow or red but it was certainly against the rules (as they currently stand) and there is no doubting that

He looks a handful, big stong ball carrier just what we need, clearly there are concerns over his age and discipline but he is well worth the gamble .




Posted By: PearlJam
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 2:39pm
Originally posted by Milli Milli wrote:

Originally posted by Turkish Fez Turkish Fez wrote:

Makes sense he was sitting with Gypo during the Munster game. Had to have been impressed with that performance by both the team and the crowd who I here were also on good form.

It was Timani's brother not Hala'Ufia

Hang-on? Timani's brother? Are we looking at him too? Anyone got anything further on that?

And presumably that brother Sitaleki as Lopeti has signed for the Rebels.



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Posted By: Mrfwon
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 2:50pm
Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Can't really understand the negativity of some regarding this potential signing.

For some time we have been crying out for an 8. This man is one and going by the clips has also played 6 and 7.

What do we want in an 8?
For me I want someone who knows exactly to get over the gain line on a regular basis. he does that extremely well.
Someone who can control the back of a scrum. Going by past performances he ain't too bad at that either.
Something extra, someone who can put in a big hit when defending. He does that often.
Someone who has experience. He has plenty of this with top performances v aviva teams, pro 12 teams and French teams. we would be daft not to snap him up.
Put it like this...if any of the other regions would have signed him, this forum would have gone into meltdown asking why on earth were not able to attract him.

Fact of the matter is he's not only an 8, he's a big ball carrier and big hitter. He is an aggressive player. he is ruthless. all keys that our pack, heck not even pack, the entire team lacks.
We have a few moments where we show some aggression and it's great to see, but took often we seem 'too nice'. This signing would really add an edge to our play whether it's attack or defence. We need players in the team that will make other teams wary of us on or off the ball. He can certainly help us there.

We have no idea who is available, and at what price, but I think we would be foolish to let this one slip.

We have not had a player capable of these things since Finau. He attracted many people because of his big hits and runs...hopefully Chris H can have a similar effect.
None from me, he'd be a good signing! Thumbs Up

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Posted By: scarletman
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 2:52pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

What on earth was wrong with that tackle!!! he tackled with both arms and went to ground with the target-awful decision! he looks fit not fat and having him at 8 is going to be great for us!


Under the laws of the game as soon as he lifts his legs above the Horizontal it becomes a foul tackle, up to the ref if he deemed it yellow or red but it was certainly against the rules (as they currently stand) and there is no doubting that

He looks a handful, big stong ball carrier just what we need, clearly there are concerns over his age and discipline but he is well worth the gamble .




But he didn't lift him... if you look at the body momentum, at no point did he "lift" the player .. his momentum caused the tackled players legs to whiplash upwards ! That RED card was rescinded (as my previous post states) & he was allowed to carry on playing with NO suspension !


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Posted By: Mrfwon
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 2:52pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

What on earth was wrong with that tackle!!! he tackled with both arms and went to ground with the target-awful decision! he looks fit not fat and having him at 8 is going to be great for us!


Under the laws of the game as soon as he lifts his legs above the Horizontal it becomes a foul tackle, up to the ref if he deemed it yellow or red but it was certainly against the rules (as they currently stand) and there is no doubting that

He looks a handful, big stong ball carrier just what we need, clearly there are concerns over his age and discipline but he is well worth the gamble .


He didn't lift him though, he hit him so bloody hard that his legs were always going to go Kermit when going backwards. Thumbs Up The suspension was lifted after the appeal wasn't it? Good hard tackle that, wasn't his fault that the lad he clattered was half his size and weight. Wink

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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 3:04pm
Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

What on earth was wrong with that tackle!!! he tackled with both arms and went to ground with the target-awful decision! he looks fit not fat and having him at 8 is going to be great for us!


Under the laws of the game as soon as he lifts his legs above the Horizontal it becomes a foul tackle, up to the ref if he deemed it yellow or red but it was certainly against the rules (as they currently stand) and there is no doubting that

He looks a handful, big stong ball carrier just what we need, clearly there are concerns over his age and discipline but he is well worth the gamble .




But he didn't lift him... if you look at the body momentum, at no point did he "lift" the player .. his momentum caused the tackled players legs to whiplash upwards ! That RED card was rescinded (as my previous post states) & he was allowed to carry on playing with NO suspension !



Didn't say I agreed it was a penalty, but by the letter of the law it is, Just because he wasn't banned doesn't mean it was not a penalty offence. SO no need to type no in caps that doesn't make you win the debate ;)

Check up the rulings, there is nothing to cover the whiplash upwards scenario that happened here.

Personally I agree with you I thought was a good tackle, I also thought the warburton world cup one was fair, if you get small men running into big men these incidents will always happen

No intent or foul play by either player if you ask me.





Posted By: knutsfordlion
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 3:41pm
Originally posted by PE SA PE SA wrote:

Can't really understand the negativity of some regarding this potential signing.

For some time we have been crying out for an 8. This man is one and going by the clips has also played 6 and 7.

What do we want in an 8?
For me I want someone who knows exactly to get over the gain line on a regular basis. he does that extremely well.
Someone who can control the back of a scrum. Going by past performances he ain't too bad at that either.
Something extra, someone who can put in a big hit when defending. He does that often.
Someone who has experience. He has plenty of this with top performances v aviva teams, pro 12 teams and French teams. we would be daft not to snap him up.
Put it like this...if any of the other regions would have signed him, this forum would have gone into meltdown asking why on earth were not able to attract him.

Fact of the matter is he's not only an 8, he's a big ball carrier and big hitter. He is an aggressive player. he is ruthless. all keys that our pack, heck not even pack, the entire team lacks.
We have a few moments where we show some aggression and it's great to see, but took often we seem 'too nice'. This signing would really add an edge to our play whether it's attack or defence. We need players in the team that will make other teams wary of us on or off the ball. He can certainly help us there.

We have no idea who is available, and at what price, but I think we would be foolish to let this one slip.

We have not had a player capable of these things since Finau. He attracted many people because of his big hits and runs...hopefully Chris H can have a similar effect.
Wel said.
 
There have been a lot complaining that the Dragons signed Talei from Edinburgh.
I feel that Chris H offers a lot more thatn Talei does and is exactly the sort of player we need at OUR disposal!Clap


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Posted By: scarletman
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 3:45pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

What on earth was wrong with that tackle!!! he tackled with both arms and went to ground with the target-awful decision! he looks fit not fat and having him at 8 is going to be great for us!


Under the laws of the game as soon as he lifts his legs above the Horizontal it becomes a foul tackle, up to the ref if he deemed it yellow or red but it was certainly against the rules (as they currently stand) and there is no doubting that

He looks a handful, big stong ball carrier just what we need, clearly there are concerns over his age and discipline but he is well worth the gamble .




But he didn't lift him... if you look at the body momentum, at no point did he "lift" the player .. his momentum caused the tackled players legs to whiplash upwards ! That RED card was rescinded (as my previous post states) & he was allowed to carry on playing with NO suspension !



Didn't say I agreed it was a penalty, but by the letter of the law it is, Just because he wasn't banned doesn't mean it was not a penalty offence. SO no need to type no in caps that doesn't make you win the debate ;)

Check up the rulings, there is nothing to cover the whiplash upwards scenario that happened here.

Personally I agree with you I thought was a good tackle, I also thought the warburton world cup one was fair, if you get small men running into big men these incidents will always happen

No intent or foul play by either player if you ask me.





It wasn't even a penalty offence ! In Law, a lift is an upward movement with the arms ! There was none in this case, there was though in the Warburton RWC tackle !

Also in the Dangerous Tackle Directive issued in the season prior to RWC 2011 , it clearly states that neither intent or match situation (timing or occasion) should be taken into account, but the tackle should be judged on fact & fact alone !

(And putting pedantry aside for a moment as soon as "the legs are lifted above the horizontal", it becomes a dangerous tackle not a "foul one" Wink)



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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 3:56pm
Its the sheer power of these modern players too but I felt it was a superb hit and no way a red card as events later proved. He may also help develop the younger forwards and motivate them -go for him I feel!


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 3:56pm
Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

What on earth was wrong with that tackle!!! he tackled with both arms and went to ground with the target-awful decision! he looks fit not fat and having him at 8 is going to be great for us!


Under the laws of the game as soon as he lifts his legs above the Horizontal it becomes a foul tackle, up to the ref if he deemed it yellow or red but it was certainly against the rules (as they currently stand) and there is no doubting that

He looks a handful, big stong ball carrier just what we need, clearly there are concerns over his age and discipline but he is well worth the gamble .






But he didn't lift him... if you look at the body momentum, at no point did he "lift" the player .. his momentum caused the tackled players legs to whiplash upwards ! That RED card was rescinded (as my previous post states) & he was allowed to carry on playing with NO suspension !



Didn't say I agreed it was a penalty, but by the letter of the law it is, Just because he wasn't banned doesn't mean it was not a penalty offence. SO no need to type no in caps that doesn't make you win the debate ;)

Check up the rulings, there is nothing to cover the whiplash upwards scenario that happened here.

Personally I agree with you I thought was a good tackle, I also thought the warburton world cup one was fair, if you get small men running into big men these incidents will always happen

No intent or foul play by either player if you ask me.





It wasn't even a penalty offence ! In Law, a lift is an upward movement with the arms ! There was none in this case, there was though in the Warburton RWC tackle !

Also in the Dangerous Tackle Directive issued in the season prior to RWC 2011 , it clearly states that neither intent or match situation (timing or occasion) should be taken into account, but the tackle should be judged on fact & fact alone !

(And putting pedantry aside for a moment as soon as "the legs are lifted above the horizontal", it becomes a dangerous tackle not a "foul one" Wink)




legs were raised above the horizontal due to the tackle

that's a fact we both agree on?


Could also be classed as reckless play if the ref was being pedantic


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 3:59pm
Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

[QUOTE=reesytheexile] What on earth was wrong with that tackle!!! he tackled with both arms and went to ground with the target-awful decision! he looks fit not fat and having him at 8 is going to be great for us!


Under the laws of the game as soon as he lifts his legs above the Horizontal it becomes a foul tackle, up to the ref if he deemed it yellow or red but it was certainly against the rules (as they currently stand) and there is no doubting that

He looks a handful, big stong ball carrier just what we need, clearly there are concerns over his age and discipline but he is well worth the gamble .




But he didn't lift him... if you look at the body momentum, at no point did he "lift" the player .. his momentum caused the tackled players legs to whiplash upwards ! That RED card was rescinded (as my previous post states) & he was allowed to carry on playing with NO suspension !



Didn't say I agreed it was a penalty, but by the letter of the law it is, Just because he wasn't banned doesn't mean it was not a penalty offence. SO no need to type no in caps that doesn't make you win the debate ;)

Check up the rulings, there is nothing to cover the whiplash upwards scenario that happened here.

Personally I agree with you I thought was a good tackle, I also thought the warburton world cup one was fair, if you get small men running into big men these incidents will always happen

No intent or foul play by either player if you ask me.





It wasn't even a penalty offence ! In Law, a lift is an upward movement with the arms ! There was none in this case, there was though in the Warburton RWC tackle !

Also in the Dangerous Tackle Directive issued in the season prior to RWC 2011 , it clearly states that neither intent or match situation (timing or occasion) should be taken into account, but the tackle should be judged on fact & fact alone !

(And putting pedantry aside for a moment as soon as "the legs are lifted above the horizontal", it becomes a dangerous tackle not a "foul one" Wink)

SO THEN HE SHOULD HAVE TRIED TO DROP HIM BEFORE HIS LEGS LIFTED TO HIGH ABOVE THE HORIZONTAL AND WOULD BE IN THE CLEAR THEN ! Confused 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 4:00pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

[QUOTE=reesytheexile] What on earth was wrong with that tackle!!! he tackled with both arms and went to ground with the target-awful decision! he looks fit not fat and having him at 8 is going to be great for us!


Under the laws of the game as soon as he lifts his legs above the Horizontal it becomes a foul tackle, up to the ref if he deemed it yellow or red but it was certainly against the rules (as they currently stand) and there is no doubting that

He looks a handful, big stong ball carrier just what we need, clearly there are concerns over his age and discipline but he is well worth the gamble .




But he didn't lift him... if you look at the body momentum, at no point did he "lift" the player .. his momentum caused the tackled players legs to whiplash upwards ! That RED card was rescinded (as my previous post states) & he was allowed to carry on playing with NO suspension !



Didn't say I agreed it was a penalty, but by the letter of the law it is, Just because he wasn't banned doesn't mean it was not a penalty offence. SO no need to type no in caps that doesn't make you win the debate ;)

Check up the rulings, there is nothing to cover the whiplash upwards scenario that happened here.

Personally I agree with you I thought was a good tackle, I also thought the warburton world cup one was fair, if you get small men running into big men these incidents will always happen

No intent or foul play by either player if you ask me.





It wasn't even a penalty offence ! In Law, a lift is an upward movement with the arms ! There was none in this case, there was though in the Warburton RWC tackle !

Also in the Dangerous Tackle Directive issued in the season prior to RWC 2011 , it clearly states that neither intent or match situation (timing or occasion) should be taken into account, but the tackle should be judged on fact & fact alone !

(And putting pedantry aside for a moment as soon as "the legs are lifted above the horizontal", it becomes a dangerous tackle not a "foul one" Wink)

SO THEN HE SHOULD HAVE TRIED TO DROP HIM BEFORE HIS LEGS LIFTED TO HIGH ABOVE THE HORIZONTAL AND WOULD BE IN THE CLEAR THEN ! Confused 



As mad as that sounds in the laws of the game he should have, bonkers isn't it, below article goes into more depth on it


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/club/10549898/Tip-tackle-laws-need-changing-or-rugby-collisions-could-become-as-dangerous-as-in-American-football.html


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 4:12pm
Thanks RR1972 -A sensible article from our English friend Austin Healey who as you suggest makes the same point -just hit and drop from 3 feet!!


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 4:14pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Thanks RR1972 -A sensible article from our English friend Austin Healey who as you suggest makes the same point -just hit and drop from 3 feet!!


madness isn't it, you have to wonder who makes the rules at times.

Speaking of madness who thought it was a good idea to try and run through old chris h? If ever there was a time for a side step that was it


Posted By: scarletman
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 4:26pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

[QUOTE=reesytheexile] What on earth was wrong with that tackle!!! he tackled with both arms and went to ground with the target-awful decision! he looks fit not fat and having him at 8 is going to be great for us!


Under the laws of the game as soon as he lifts his legs above the Horizontal it becomes a foul tackle, up to the ref if he deemed it yellow or red but it was certainly against the rules (as they currently stand) and there is no doubting that

He looks a handful, big stong ball carrier just what we need, clearly there are concerns over his age and discipline but he is well worth the gamble .




But he didn't lift him... if you look at the body momentum, at no point did he "lift" the player .. his momentum caused the tackled players legs to whiplash upwards ! That RED card was rescinded (as my previous post states) & he was allowed to carry on playing with NO suspension !



Didn't say I agreed it was a penalty, but by the letter of the law it is, Just because he wasn't banned doesn't mean it was not a penalty offence. SO no need to type no in caps that doesn't make you win the debate ;)

Check up the rulings, there is nothing to cover the whiplash upwards scenario that happened here.

Personally I agree with you I thought was a good tackle, I also thought the warburton world cup one was fair, if you get small men running into big men these incidents will always happen

No intent or foul play by either player if you ask me.





It wasn't even a penalty offence ! In Law, a lift is an upward movement with the arms ! There was none in this case, there was though in the Warburton RWC tackle !

Also in the Dangerous Tackle Directive issued in the season prior to RWC 2011 , it clearly states that neither intent or match situation (timing or occasion) should be taken into account, but the tackle should be judged on fact & fact alone !

(And putting pedantry aside for a moment as soon as "the legs are lifted above the horizontal", it becomes a dangerous tackle not a "foul one" Wink)

SO THEN HE SHOULD HAVE TRIED TO DROP HIM BEFORE HIS LEGS LIFTED TO HIGH ABOVE THE HORIZONTAL AND WOULD BE IN THE CLEAR THEN ! Confused 


You're missing my point completely ... He did not lift the player at all ... !

The disciplinary panels decision to rescind the Red card & subsequent suspension suggests it wasn't even a penalty offence !


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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 4:31pm
Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

[QUOTE=reesytheexile] What on earth was wrong with that tackle!!! he tackled with both arms and went to ground with the target-awful decision! he looks fit not fat and having him at 8 is going to be great for us!


Under the laws of the game as soon as he lifts his legs above the Horizontal it becomes a foul tackle, up to the ref if he deemed it yellow or red but it was certainly against the rules (as they currently stand) and there is no doubting that

He looks a handful, big stong ball carrier just what we need, clearly there are concerns over his age and discipline but he is well worth the gamble .




But he didn't lift him... if you look at the body momentum, at no point did he "lift" the player .. his momentum caused the tackled players legs to whiplash upwards ! That RED card was rescinded (as my previous post states) & he was allowed to carry on playing with NO suspension !



Didn't say I agreed it was a penalty, but by the letter of the law it is, Just because he wasn't banned doesn't mean it was not a penalty offence. SO no need to type no in caps that doesn't make you win the debate ;)

Check up the rulings, there is nothing to cover the whiplash upwards scenario that happened here.

Personally I agree with you I thought was a good tackle, I also thought the warburton world cup one was fair, if you get small men running into big men these incidents will always happen

No intent or foul play by either player if you ask me.





It wasn't even a penalty offence ! In Law, a lift is an upward movement with the arms ! There was none in this case, there was though in the Warburton RWC tackle !

Also in the Dangerous Tackle Directive issued in the season prior to RWC 2011 , it clearly states that neither intent or match situation (timing or occasion) should be taken into account, but the tackle should be judged on fact & fact alone !

(And putting pedantry aside for a moment as soon as "the legs are lifted above the horizontal", it becomes a dangerous tackle not a "foul one" Wink)

SO THEN HE SHOULD HAVE TRIED TO DROP HIM BEFORE HIS LEGS LIFTED TO HIGH ABOVE THE HORIZONTAL AND WOULD BE IN THE CLEAR THEN ! Confused 


You're missing my point completely ... He did not lift the player at all ... !

The disciplinary panels decision to rescind the Red card & subsequent suspension suggests it wasn't even a penalty offence !



I get your point totally but that's no the issue .

He didn't lift his legs but as a result of the tackle his legs did go above the horizontal.

Do you agree on that ?

If so regardless of intent it's a penalty as explained in the telegraph article I supplied a link to


Posted By: scarletman
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 4:52pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

[QUOTE=reesytheexile] What on earth was wrong with that tackle!!! he tackled with both arms and went to ground with the target-awful decision! he looks fit not fat and having him at 8 is going to be great for us!


Under the laws of the game as soon as he lifts his legs above the Horizontal it becomes a foul tackle, up to the ref if he deemed it yellow or red but it was certainly against the rules (as they currently stand) and there is no doubting that

He looks a handful, big stong ball carrier just what we need, clearly there are concerns over his age and discipline but he is well worth the gamble .




But he didn't lift him... if you look at the body momentum, at no point did he "lift" the player .. his momentum caused the tackled players legs to whiplash upwards ! That RED card was rescinded (as my previous post states) & he was allowed to carry on playing with NO suspension !



Didn't say I agreed it was a penalty, but by the letter of the law it is, Just because he wasn't banned doesn't mean it was not a penalty offence. SO no need to type no in caps that doesn't make you win the debate ;)

Check up the rulings, there is nothing to cover the whiplash upwards scenario that happened here.

Personally I agree with you I thought was a good tackle, I also thought the warburton world cup one was fair, if you get small men running into big men these incidents will always happen

No intent or foul play by either player if you ask me.





It wasn't even a penalty offence ! In Law, a lift is an upward movement with the arms ! There was none in this case, there was though in the Warburton RWC tackle !

Also in the Dangerous Tackle Directive issued in the season prior to RWC 2011 , it clearly states that neither intent or match situation (timing or occasion) should be taken into account, but the tackle should be judged on fact & fact alone !

(And putting pedantry aside for a moment as soon as "the legs are lifted above the horizontal", it becomes a dangerous tackle not a "foul one" Wink)

SO THEN HE SHOULD HAVE TRIED TO DROP HIM BEFORE HIS LEGS LIFTED TO HIGH ABOVE THE HORIZONTAL AND WOULD BE IN THE CLEAR THEN ! Confused 


You're missing my point completely ... He did not lift the player at all ... !

The disciplinary panels decision to rescind the Red card & subsequent suspension suggests it wasn't even a penalty offence !



I get your point totally but that's no the issue .

He didn't lift his legs but as a result of the tackle his legs did go above the horizontal.

Do you agree on that ?

If so regardless of intent it's a penalty as explained in the telegraph article I supplied a link to


I agree with the bolded statement, but a penalty is for foul play, not for the effects of a perfectly legal tackle !

Had (in 2012) the Referee been able to refer the incident to the TMO, I'm sure the result would have been play on (no penalty) !




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Posted By: Sosban bach
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 6:20pm
So with no intent Chris gets red carded for what is a fair tackle and just sheer force sends the guys legs upwards, then the high tackle on sat which was a professional foul to slow the player down was deemed nothing? I don't get how this isnt the other way around? Agree with its just all madness!


Posted By: Turkish Fez
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 6:30pm
What I will say if Chris is coming, fantastic ball carrier but part of those type of players responsibities is to stop similar players in their tracks from the other side. You don't want to take away his aggressive defence but let The Duke Of Earl spend some time with him and nurture his technique to not make him a target for refs and to turn his huge physicality into a defensive weapon.

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Posted By: BillyBigBalls
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 8:25pm
Nick Williams was written off by many because of his age and look how good he has been for Ulster. I don't think we have the money to sign a bigger name. I think Chris would add alot to the team Big smile


Posted By: Turkish Fez
Date Posted: 04 March 2014 at 11:13pm
Nick Williams may catch the eye but Ulster have one of the most underrated 8s playing rugby in NH over the past 5 odd years also in their squad. Roger Wilson is class at Ulster as he was at Saints. Nothing flash does the simple things very well, how he has not been further capped by Ireland beggars belief. Wilson is the solid pro Dai Lyons type of player.

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Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 05 March 2014 at 9:48am
Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

[QUOTE=reesytheexile] What on earth was wrong with that tackle!!! he tackled with both arms and went to ground with the target-awful decision! he looks fit not fat and having him at 8 is going to be great for us!


Under the laws of the game as soon as he lifts his legs above the Horizontal it becomes a foul tackle, up to the ref if he deemed it yellow or red but it was certainly against the rules (as they currently stand) and there is no doubting that

He looks a handful, big stong ball carrier just what we need, clearly there are concerns over his age and discipline but he is well worth the gamble .




But he didn't lift him... if you look at the body momentum, at no point did he "lift" the player .. his momentum caused the tackled players legs to whiplash upwards ! That RED card was rescinded (as my previous post states) & he was allowed to carry on playing with NO suspension !



Didn't say I agreed it was a penalty, but by the letter of the law it is, Just because he wasn't banned doesn't mean it was not a penalty offence. SO no need to type no in caps that doesn't make you win the debate ;)

Check up the rulings, there is nothing to cover the whiplash upwards scenario that happened here.

Personally I agree with you I thought was a good tackle, I also thought the warburton world cup one was fair, if you get small men running into big men these incidents will always happen

No intent or foul play by either player if you ask me.





It wasn't even a penalty offence ! In Law, a lift is an upward movement with the arms ! There was none in this case, there was though in the Warburton RWC tackle !

Also in the Dangerous Tackle Directive issued in the season prior to RWC 2011 , it clearly states that neither intent or match situation (timing or occasion) should be taken into account, but the tackle should be judged on fact & fact alone !

(And putting pedantry aside for a moment as soon as "the legs are lifted above the horizontal", it becomes a dangerous tackle not a "foul one" Wink)

SO THEN HE SHOULD HAVE TRIED TO DROP HIM BEFORE HIS LEGS LIFTED TO HIGH ABOVE THE HORIZONTAL AND WOULD BE IN THE CLEAR THEN ! Confused 


You're missing my point completely ... He did not lift the player at all ... !

The disciplinary panels decision to rescind the Red card & subsequent suspension suggests it wasn't even a penalty offence !



I get your point totally but that's no the issue .

He didn't lift his legs but as a result of the tackle his legs did go above the horizontal.

Do you agree on that ?

If so regardless of intent it's a penalty as explained in the telegraph article I supplied a link to


I agree with the bolded statement, but a penalty is for foul play, not for the effects of a perfectly legal tackle !

Had (in 2012) the Referee been able to refer the incident to the TMO, I'm sure the result would have been play on (no penalty) !


I think we are into the murky area called `duty of care` again.

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Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 05 March 2014 at 5:59pm
Nothing new but the press are picking up on it

http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/rugby-news/london-irish-no-8-halaufia-6769347


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Posted By: Abbey
Date Posted: 05 March 2014 at 6:24pm
Originally posted by BillyBigBalls BillyBigBalls wrote:

Nick Williams was written off by many because of his age and look how good he has been for Ulster. I don't think we have the money to sign a bigger name. I think Chris would add alot to the team Big smile


He was only 28 when he joined Ulster - he didn't turn 30 until last December. Hardly an age to be written off.




Posted By: NeylandAllBlack
Date Posted: 05 March 2014 at 7:04pm
If that's as good a signing as we can get at 8 then we're fooked. A 35 year old with a terrible disciplinary record? It's not a good signing.


Posted By: omri jones
Date Posted: 05 March 2014 at 8:18pm
Who do you suggest we can sign then, taking into account the uncertainty surrounding next season's budget? He won't be a success on his own but if we keep Timani, who in his present condition will probably not be expensive (and always seems to make an impact), groom a youngster eg Sion Bennett,  and have McCusker there to take over in an emergency,  then we should be adequately covered. 



Posted By: PTScarlet
Date Posted: 05 March 2014 at 9:25pm
Just my personal opinion here.
Does anyone agree with me that if this does go ahead it is very short sighted from the team? Its more of a stop gap for around a year , two at a push with his age rather than building for the future. Not knocking the player as he is a great ball carrier and is one of the players i have enjoyed watching in the Aviva.

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Posted By: henry_winkler
Date Posted: 05 March 2014 at 9:30pm
Originally posted by PTScarlet PTScarlet wrote:

Just my personal opinion here.
Does anyone agree with me that if this does go ahead it is very short sighted from the team? Its more of a stop gap for around a year , two at a push with his age rather than building for the future. Not knocking the player as he is a great ball carrier and is one of the players i have enjoyed watching in the Aviva.
 
 
 
In my opinion we too often look too far ahead and have a team full of potential but not enough ready for the here and now....  look at Leinster, they sign the likes of Rocky Elsom on a 3 month contract, not the same class but it's the same principle.
 
Get players in that can hit the ground running now and phase them out with youngsters and signings like Dan Baker etc in a year or so
 


Posted By: Turkish Fez
Date Posted: 05 March 2014 at 9:41pm
You also have to take into account with the uncertainty of what the future holds for our league that it may be hard to attract quality for a while. In view of this we cannot go without a proper seasoned 8 for another season. So if it means having Chris as first choice next season whilst the mess the Welsh game is in sorts itself out then we can benefit from his arrival. He even at his age will be head and shoulders above what Timani can offer and on a regular basis.

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Posted By: kcreg
Date Posted: 05 March 2014 at 9:45pm
its a great signing if you ask me.i don't give a shit about his age.he's just the type we're looking for I reckon.a very fit,strong,physical,35yr old ball carrying wrecking machine is good enough for me thanks.

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Posted By: Tim Opolis
Date Posted: 05 March 2014 at 9:47pm
I'm sure he'll hit the ground running, I just hope his zimmer doesnt wreck the pitch! Wink


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Posted By: Mike
Date Posted: 05 March 2014 at 10:05pm
Originally posted by henry_winkler henry_winkler wrote:

In my opinion we too often look too far ahead and have a team full of potential but not enough ready for the here and now....  look at Leinster, they sign the likes of Rocky Elsom on a 3 month contract, not the same class but it's the same principle.
 
Get players in that can hit the ground running now and phase them out with youngsters and signings like Dan Baker etc in a year or so
 
This is spot on.
 
An old bully like Hala'ufia will be much better for us than a project player like say Lachlan McCaffrey who we were linked with last year.
 
We are currently too short on 30+ old heads.


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 05 March 2014 at 10:15pm
Originally posted by Mike Mike wrote:

Originally posted by henry_winkler henry_winkler wrote:

In my opinion we too often look too far ahead and have a team full of potential but not enough ready for the here and now....  look at Leinster, they sign the likes of Rocky Elsom on a 3 month contract, not the same class but it's the same principle.
 
Get players in that can hit the ground running now and phase them out with youngsters and signings like Dan Baker etc in a year or so
 
This is spot on.
 
An old bully like Hala'ufia will be much better for us than a project player like say Lachlan McCaffrey who we were linked with last year.
 
We are currently too short on 30+ old heads.

I'd say cool heads also !


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 05 March 2014 at 10:16pm
Originally posted by PTScarlet PTScarlet wrote:

Just my personal opinion here.
Does anyone agree with me that if this does go ahead it is very short sighted from the team? Its more of a stop gap for around a year , two at a push with his age rather than building for the future. Not knocking the player as he is a great ball carrier and is one of the players i have enjoyed watching in the Aviva.

I wish we had a stopgap 8 of his calibre this season.


Posted By: NobbySosban
Date Posted: 06 March 2014 at 12:23am
Chris Hallelujah rumours gathering pace in the twittersphere. Like Olly Barkley, more short-term than short-sighted if true, esp if on pay-per-play.



Posted By: thescarlet
Date Posted: 06 March 2014 at 12:50am
Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by PTScarlet PTScarlet wrote:

Just my personal opinion here.
Does anyone agree with me that if this does go ahead it is very short sighted from the team? Its more of a stop gap for around a year , two at a push with his age rather than building for the future. Not knocking the player as he is a great ball carrier and is one of the players i have enjoyed watching in the Aviva.

I wish we had a stopgap 8 of his calibre this season.

ok well I guess then we shall just have to make do with a 6-{mcusker} playing 8 for a couple more seasons- in my opinion even a lyear contract of an experienced 8 of his calibre would add team spirit/experience and teach mccusker how to control the ball at the base of the pack.

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Posted By: RedZep
Date Posted: 06 March 2014 at 12:57am
I'd be far more concerned if we were looking at a 35 year old forward who'd never had any disciplinary issues. I want my pack to have served time not poxy suspensions.

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Posted By: scarletabroad
Date Posted: 06 March 2014 at 2:10pm
Bloody hell here we have by all accounts a one man wrecking machine, the original all singing and dancing No.8 who smashes defences and loves the contact.
 
A London Irish fan has come on here and more than adequately expalined the disciplinary record and proved how reliable he is in his matches played.
 
He started playing top flight rugby quite late 26 I think is has been said which means wear and tear will not be as bad again highlighted by his matches played evry game in one season.
 
We are not blessed with age experience, we are not blessed with big ball carriers, we are not blessed with players who have some GRUNT, We are not blessed with players with experience against Aviva and French teams.
 
So if he is there for the taking lets bloody have him, the thought of our scrum being solid, giving the big H a solid platform to hit up and smash a hole for Barclay to then link to the Priest to set the likes of The King and Scott off is unbelieavbly mouth watering, what is there not to like!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thumbs Up add to the fact we may not have to kick as much as we are boshing our way up the pitchClap


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 06 March 2014 at 2:28pm
Originally posted by scarletabroad scarletabroad wrote:

Bloody hell here we have by all accounts a one man wrecking machine, the original all singing and dancing No.8 who smashes defences and loves the contact.
 
A London Irish fan has come on here and more than adequately expalined the disciplinary record and proved how reliable he is in his matches played.
 
He started playing top flight rugby quite late 26 I think is has been said which means wear and tear will not be as bad again highlighted by his matches played evry game in one season.
 
We are not blessed with age experience, we are not blessed with big ball carriers, we are not blessed with players who have some GRUNT, We are not blessed with players with experience against Aviva and French teams.
 
So if he is there for the taking lets bloody have him, the thought of our scrum being solid, giving the big H a solid platform to hit up and smash a hole for Barclay to then link to the Priest to set the likes of The King and Scott off is unbelieavbly mouth watering, what is there not to like!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thumbs Up add to the fact we may not have to kick as much as we are boshing our way up the pitchClap
can he play 6?Wink


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 06 March 2014 at 2:30pm
We once had a real no 8 in Scotty, Lyons, Big Ben and then a fantastic fanatical no 6 asked to fill in where once we had Giants.

My word only Scotty played behind a Scarlet pack that could punch, dictate and stand toe to toe with anyone. All the others dug their size 12 togs into the ground and try and halt a retreating pack and tbis happened for years and years, hung my head in shame at it all, but the named guys gave 110% to the Scarlet cause, immense they were.

But here now in this season we have a front five to be proud off, my gawd they are bullying other packs and are not afraid to mix it and jeez the ole heart starts pumping high blood pressure with the passion it ignites.....bloody love it and yet after all these years and development, we have been crying out for another barn storming giant to wear the coveted no 8 Scarlet shirt.

Saw this hoped for no 8 on the recorded highlights and he was watching a Scarlet side stopping a Welsh region white wash of home and away wins this season. And what a time to sit down and take in all the fire and passion breathed that night, from a Scarlet side that didnt give an inch and individual brilliance that won the game. Brilliant, brilliant exposure to all things Scarlet and he had Gareth Jenkins alongside him to give him the required bullet points, as the team smashed the Munster glory trail.

Discipline issues aside, if this guy can deliver the forward momentum behind the brillift front five we have and with Barclay and Rob on the flanks, with Cawdor, Rhys, Scott, King and others raring to exploit the holes, we may be on a golden period at long last.

We have prayed for a 8, we may have the found missing link with a guy who would have survived in prehistoric times,,,,,bring it on....club and all.



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Posted By: scarletabroad
Date Posted: 06 March 2014 at 2:56pm
Originally posted by lofty evans lofty evans wrote:

We once had a real no 8 in Scotty, Lyons, Big Ben and then a fantastic fanatical no 6 asked to fill in where once we had Giants.

My word only Scotty played behind a Scarlet pack that could punch, dictate and stand toe to toe with anyone. All the others dug their size 12 togs into the ground and try and halt a retreating pack and tbis happened for years and years, hung my head in shame at it all, but the named guys gave 110% to the Scarlet cause, immense they were.

But here now in this season we have a front five to be proud off, my gawd they are bullying other packs and are not afraid to mix it and jeez the ole heart starts pumping high blood pressure with the passion it ignites.....bloody love it and yet after all these years and development, we have been crying out for another barn storming giant to wear the coveted no 8 Scarlet shirt.

Saw this hoped for no 8 on the recorded highlights and he was watching a Scarlet side stopping a Welsh region white wash of home and away wins this season. And what a time to sit down and take in all the fire and passion breathed that night, from a Scarlet side that didnt give an inch and individual brilliance that won the game. Brilliant, brilliant exposure to all things Scarlet and he had Gareth Jenkins alongside him to give him the required bullet points, as the team smashed the Munster glory trail.

Discipline issues aside, if this guy can deliver the forward momentum behind the brillift front five we have and with Barclay and Rob on the flanks, with Cawdor, Rhys, Scott, King and others raring to exploit the holes, we may be on a golden period at long last.

We have prayed for a 8, we may have the found missing link with a guy who would have survived in prehistoric times,,,,,bring it on....club and all.

I have a dream Lofty I have a dream


Posted By: Mrfwon
Date Posted: 06 March 2014 at 2:59pm
Originally posted by henry_winkler henry_winkler wrote:

Originally posted by PTScarlet PTScarlet wrote:

Just my personal opinion here.
Does anyone agree with me that if this does go ahead it is very short sighted from the team? Its more of a stop gap for around a year , two at a push with his age rather than building for the future. Not knocking the player as he is a great ball carrier and is one of the players i have enjoyed watching in the Aviva.
 
 
 
In my opinion we too often look too far ahead and have a team full of potential but not enough ready for the here and now....  look at Leinster, they sign the likes of Rocky Elsom on a 3 month contract, not the same class but it's the same principle.
 
Get players in that can hit the ground running now and phase them out with youngsters and signings like Dan Baker etc in a year or so
 
Correct! Clap
 
In this particular instance, if we had an 8 coming through the system, then I wouldn't say so much, but it doesn't look like we have. Rob has done ok to be fair, but it is clear that we need a specialist 8 in the squad, and a good ball carrying one at that.


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Posted By: thescarlet
Date Posted: 06 March 2014 at 11:00pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by scarletabroad scarletabroad wrote:

Bloody hell here we have by all accounts a one man wrecking machine, the original all singing and dancing No.8 who smashes defences and loves the contact.
 

A London Irish fan has come on here and more than adequately expalined the disciplinary record and proved how reliable he is in his matches played.

 

He started playing top flight rugby quite late 26 I think is has been said which means wear and tear will not be as bad again highlighted by his matches played evry game in one season.

 

We are not blessed with age experience, we are not blessed with big ball carriers, we are not blessed with players who have some GRUNT, We are not blessed with players with experience against Aviva and French teams.

 

So if he is there for the taking lets bloody have him, the thought of our scrum being solid, giving the big H a solid platform to hit up and smash a hole for Barclay to then link to the Priest to set the likes of The King and Scott off is unbelieavbly mouth watering, what is there not to like!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thumbs Up add to the fact we may not have to kick as much as we are boshing our way up the pitchClap

can he play 6?Wink

why the hell would we play a true 8 at 6, -hell stick rob the gog there-, it might take a while for rob to get back used to playing at 6 but rob is no 8 yet -sorry rob

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Posted By: Mundoscarlet
Date Posted: 07 March 2014 at 1:29am
calm down,lad was joking lol


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 07 March 2014 at 12:23pm
Harinordiquay is looking for a club


Posted By: Turkish Fez
Date Posted: 07 March 2014 at 5:46pm
Streuth you talk about Chris from LI being injury prone. Don't let ' Hari's Dad come over from Biarritz he likes to join in with the fights on the pitch.

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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 07 March 2014 at 8:15pm
Originally posted by rap columbo rap columbo wrote:

Harinordiquay is looking for a club

Be a great signing.
Iirc, wasn't there a sighting of Yashvili once in Llanelli.....? Why not Imanol?
He likes Wales and the Welsh.
Win, win...

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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 07 March 2014 at 8:16pm
Originally posted by Turkish Fez Turkish Fez wrote:

Streuth you talk about Chris from LI being injury prone. Don't let ' Hari's Dad come over from Biarritz he likes to join in with the fights on the pitch.

Who's side would you want him on come Boxing Day and New Year?

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Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 07 March 2014 at 9:02pm
Originally posted by Mrfwon Mrfwon wrote:

Originally posted by scarletman scarletman wrote:

Most of his suspensions have been for high/late tackles ...

This one was appealed and the Red Card (& subsequent 5 week ban) was rescinded !


Good tackle that! Thumbs Up
Only just viewed that, what a terrible piece of refereeing. Great tackle IMHO. As people have said, maybe it's his reputation that gets him into trouble in the AP.

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