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Topic: Best Born/Raised in Carms XV
Posted By: ScarletBear
Subject: Best Born/Raised in Carms XV
Date Posted: 23 February 2021 at 4:43am
15 Terry Price
14 Shane Williams (Gerald Davies)
13 Jon Davies
12 Ray Gravelle (Scott Williams)
11 Ieuan Evans
10 Phil Bennett (Jonathan Davies, Barry John, Stephen Jones)
9 Mike Phillips (Dwayne Peel, Johnny Griffiths)
8 Scott Quinnell
7 James Davies
6 Dafydd Jones
5 Derek Quinnell
4 Delme Thomas
3 Laurence Delaney (Samson Lee)
2 Ken Owens
1 Wyn Jones

Missed by less than a mile:
RH Williams - born in Cwmllynfell on border with Carms
Gareth Edwards - born in Gwaun-Cau-Gurwen on border with Carms

Who have I missed?


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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 23 February 2021 at 11:58am
Originally posted by ScarletBear ScarletBear wrote:

15 Terry Price
14 Shane Williams (Gerald Davies)
13 Jon Davies
12 Ray Gravelle (Scott Williams)
11 Ieuan Evans
10 Phil Bennett (Jonathan Davies, Barry John, Stephen Jones)
9 Mike Phillips (Dwayne Peel, Johnny Griffiths)
8 Scott Quinnell
7 James Davies
6 Dafydd Jones
5 Derek Quinnell
4 Delme Thomas
3 Laurence Delaney (Samson Lee)
2 Ken Owens
1 Wyn Jones

Missed by less than a mile:
RH Williams - born in Cwmllynfell on border with Carms
Gareth Edwards - born in Gwaun-Cau-Gurwen on border with Carms

Who have I missed?

Well,  I think you may have missed John Davies at 3 (tight-head prop). His Wikipedia entry is confusing and contradictory, though - in one place he's listed as having been born in Carmarthen, and in another it's Cardigan! Did mam go to give birth at Glangwili? Perhaps someone on here knows the true answer!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Davies_%28rugby_union,_born_1971%29" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Davies_(rugby_union,_born_1971)



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Posted By: ScarletBear
Date Posted: 24 February 2021 at 5:12am
I thought he was a Pembs boy, just to add to the confusion.

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Posted By: ScarletBear
Date Posted: 24 February 2021 at 5:14am
Originally posted by ScarletBear ScarletBear wrote:

I thought he was a Pembs boy, just to add to the confusion.

Just found this:

https://businesswales.gov.wales/farmingconnect/business/business-planning/business-support/mentoring/mentor-directory/john-davies" rel="nofollow - https://businesswales.gov.wales/farmingconnect/business/business-planning/business-support/mentoring/mentor-directory/john-davies


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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 24 February 2021 at 11:57am
Originally posted by ScarletBear ScarletBear wrote:

Originally posted by ScarletBear ScarletBear wrote:

I thought he was a Pembs boy, just to add to the confusion.

Just found this:

https://businesswales.gov.wales/farmingconnect/business/business-planning/business-support/mentoring/mentor-directory/john-davies" rel="nofollow - https://businesswales.gov.wales/farmingconnect/business/business-planning/business-support/mentoring/mentor-directory/john-davies

Tells us where he is now, but not where he was born.

I was baffled by the contradictions in Wikipedia, TBH.


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“You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift)


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 24 February 2021 at 12:04pm
i think john was a crymych boy so would think glangwili .


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 24 February 2021 at 12:29pm
John's old man and mine enjoyed a pint on market day...
Family farm is in Boncath...he's a Pembs lad through and through.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 24 February 2021 at 12:40pm
I'd have Josh Turnbull on the bench....born in H'West but he's a pucker Emlyn boy.

I can remember him turning up at the club as a scrawny 13 year old, never played rugby...we put him at full back...might have got that one wrong.

Gareth Davies in the hunt for the 9 shirt maybe...


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 24 February 2021 at 12:50pm
Rhys Priestland - tough love for the 10 shirt though.


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 24 February 2021 at 1:21pm
carwyn davies llangadog,terrific finisher went tragically too young .


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 24 February 2021 at 2:05pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

carwyn davies llangadog,terrific finisher went tragically too young .
 
great player one of my favourites growing up. simon and nigel davies in the mix for the centre spots great pairing
 
where was barry Llewellyn from?
 


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 24 February 2021 at 2:18pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

carwyn davies llangadog,terrific finisher went tragically too young .

Yes-safe to say,with less fixtures etc his record for tries scored in a season will stand forever.


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 24 February 2021 at 3:49pm
Originally posted by ScarletBear ScarletBear wrote:

15 Terry Price
14 Shane Williams (Gerald Davies)
13 Jon Davies
12 Ray Gravelle (Scott Williams)
11 Ieuan Evans
10 Phil Bennett (Jonathan Davies, Barry John, Stephen Jones)
9 Mike Phillips (Dwayne Peel, Johnny Griffiths)
8 Scott Quinnell
7 James Davies
6 Dafydd Jones
5 Derek Quinnell
4 Delme Thomas
3 Laurence Delaney (Samson Lee)
2 Ken Owens
1 Wyn Jones

Missed by less than a mile:
RH Williams - born in Cwmllynfell on border with Carms
Gareth Edwards - born in Gwaun-Cau-Gurwen on border with Carms

Who have I missed?

What a marvellous thread and what a fantastic team...
I wont pretend to know how great players were from the distant past, though I heard endless tales of the great albert jenkins so he may be worth a nod. 

If we are selecting based on how well they played for llanelli then I would go with johnny griff at 9, he was a fantastic scrum half for us taking us to 3 cup finals , match winning try in 85, then the season of 88 he was my best player in the best scarlets team I ever saw. He also came back in the 90s too. Mark douglas before him too a class player not sure where he was from.

Id be tempted to put jiffy in at 15 can we really afford to do without his genius?

Props hookers, iestyn thomas, ricky evans dai fox mucbryde ,lamerton and co Not sure where they were all from mind. Back row Id have to throw in a few other names, emyr tarw lewis, perego, lyn jones etc Phil may deserves a mention too, proper ledge over 500 games Clap



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Posted By: LLANDRE
Date Posted: 24 February 2021 at 5:00pm
Ricky Evans was a Cardi.   Iestyn Thomas was  Gwent somewhere.  Lamerton was  Beddau near Pontypridd if i remember correctly.  Gary Pearce  and  Roy Bergiers worth a mention.  DK Jones  too. 

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Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 24 February 2021 at 6:38pm
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:


Id be tempted to put jiffy in at 15 can we really afford to do without his genius?


He can commentate! Numbers!


Posted By: ScarletBear
Date Posted: 24 February 2021 at 6:40pm
Originally posted by LLANDRE LLANDRE wrote:

Ricky Evans was a Cardi.   Iestyn Thomas was  Gwent somewhere.  Lamerton was  Beddau near Pontypridd if i remember correctly.  Gary Pearce  and  Roy Bergiers worth a mention.  DK Jones  too. 

Yes a number of names were not Carms boys as you stated. Gary Pearce was Llansteffan way I think.

I forgot Josh Adams of course.

Love t have included the great Gareth Edwards, but just misses. Unlucky for him. Gwaun-cau-gerwen literally rests up against Carms.

I think we have the greatest rugby county in Wales and one of the best in the world. Truly. 


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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 24 February 2021 at 7:08pm
Gwent and glamorgan would have strong sides i suspect as well in fairmess, wed have the best backs but they would have better forwards. Where was trevor evans from ? Good 7 in his time


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 24 February 2021 at 8:05pm
Brynamman I think. 


Posted By: ScarletBear
Date Posted: 24 February 2021 at 10:40pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Gwent and glamorgan would have strong sides i suspect as well in fairmess, wed have the best backs but they would have better forwards. Where was trevor evans from ? Good 7 in his time

That's fair. But when you are talking cream of the crop, how many made Lions. I suspect we are some way ahead. And Glamorgan is much bigger than Carms.


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Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 25 February 2021 at 8:23am
Originally posted by ScarletBear ScarletBear wrote:

15 Terry Price
14 Shane Williams (Gerald Davies)
13 Jon Davies
12 Ray Gravelle (Scott Williams)
11 Ieuan Evans
10 Phil Bennett (Jonathan Davies, Barry John, Stephen Jones)
9 Mike Phillips (Dwayne Peel, Johnny Griffiths)
8 Scott Quinnell
7 James Davies
6 Dafydd Jones
5 Derek Quinnell
4 Delme Thomas
3 Laurence Delaney (Samson Lee)
2 Ken Owens
1 Wyn Jones

Missed by less than a mile:
RH Williams - born in Cwmllynfell on border with Carms
Gareth Edwards - born in Gwaun-Cau-Gurwen on border with Carms

Who have I missed?
Sorry, Ieuan doesn't qualify. Born and raised in the Bont for 5 years. Wink

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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 25 February 2021 at 9:49am
Surely the carmarthen cowboy qualifies on residency Big smile

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Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 25 February 2021 at 10:00am
Ha Ha, the truth hurts sometimes mate. LOL

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Posted By: Dai38
Date Posted: 25 February 2021 at 12:35pm
I thought Dafydd Jones born in Aberystwyth and brought up in Aberaeron? 

Maybe, as there are so many,  we should have the teams in different eras?


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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 25 February 2021 at 12:47pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

carwyn davies llangadog,terrific finisher went tragically too young .
 
great player one of my favourites growing up. simon and nigel davies in the mix for the centre spots great pairing
 
where was barry Llewellyn from?
 

I thought of him - great player, saw him play many times - but according to Wikipedia, he was born in Ashton, Lancashire, for some reason - Dad's work, I suppose.


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Posted By: Dai38
Date Posted: 25 February 2021 at 12:51pm
Barry lived in the Hendy, his father was a Civil Servant I believe, working in the old Job Centres, as a Manager. Both Barry & Bryan went to Boys Gram. 

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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 25 February 2021 at 12:51pm
Originally posted by Dai38 Dai38 wrote:

I thought Dafydd Jones born in Aberystwyth and brought up in Aberaeron? 

Maybe, as there are so many,  we should have the teams in different eras?

Correct. Bronglais Hospital is within a stone's throw from where I am sitting. Stevo is another 'Bronglais boy'.


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“You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift)


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 25 February 2021 at 12:53pm
Originally posted by Dai38 Dai38 wrote:

Barry lived in the Hendy, his father was a Civil Servant I believe, working in the old Job Centres, as a Manager. Both Barry & Bryan went to Boys Gram. 

Absolutely... but maybe dad was posted to Lancashire earlier on in his career?


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“You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift)


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 25 February 2021 at 3:23pm
Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by Dai38 Dai38 wrote:

Barry lived in the Hendy, his father was a Civil Servant I believe, working in the old Job Centres, as a Manager. Both Barry & Bryan went to Boys Gram. 

Absolutely... but maybe dad was posted to Lancashire earlier on in his career?

Dad worked for Royal Mail I take it. 


Posted By: LLANDRE
Date Posted: 25 February 2021 at 3:41pm
Gary Pearce wasn't far from Llansteffan.  He was from Laugharne. 

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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 25 February 2021 at 5:23pm
Originally posted by LLANDRE LLANDRE wrote:

Gary Pearce wasn't far from Llansteffan.  He was from Laugharne. 

A totally under rated scarlets star, had a few cracking seasons with us, before heading north, beating the fantastic 84 aussies and winning the 85 cup final with a late drop goal


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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 25 February 2021 at 5:31pm
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by LLANDRE LLANDRE wrote:

Gary Pearce wasn't far from Llansteffan.  He was from Laugharne. 

A totally under rated scarlets star, had a few cracking seasons with us, before heading north, beating the fantastic 84 aussies and winning the 85 cup final with a late drop goal
after a lovely jon griffiths pass ,against cardiff who had a dubious cordle try allowed.


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 25 February 2021 at 5:51pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by LLANDRE LLANDRE wrote:

Gary Pearce wasn't far from Llansteffan.  He was from Laugharne. 

A totally under rated scarlets star, had a few cracking seasons with us, before heading north, beating the fantastic 84 aussies and winning the 85 cup final with a late drop goal
after a lovely jon griffiths pass ,against cardiff who had a dubious cordle try allowed.

In the words of dai parry jones commentating "a try from cordle, a very unusual one, but its worth 4 points " LOL


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Posted By: LLANDRE
Date Posted: 25 February 2021 at 7:23pm
I'll never forget that Cordle try..In those days they only used to show the second half live.  I agree  about Gary Pearce  he was quite under rated  I agree. 

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Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 25 February 2021 at 7:23pm
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by LLANDRE LLANDRE wrote:

Gary Pearce wasn't far from Llansteffan.  He was from Laugharne. 

A totally under rated scarlets star, had a few cracking seasons with us, before heading north, beating the fantastic 84 aussies and winning the 85 cup final with a late drop goal
after a lovely jon griffiths pass ,against cardiff who had a dubious cordle try allowed.

In the words of dai parry jones commentating "a try from cordle, a very unusual one, but its worth 4 points " LOL
Parry-Jones was gutted when Gareth Davies missed with a drop goal attempt at the death 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 25 February 2021 at 11:24pm
First cup final i went to👍👍. Good player pearce quite chunky for a fly half wasn’t he?


Posted By: ScarletBear
Date Posted: 26 February 2021 at 12:45am
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

First cup final i went to👍👍. Good player pearce quite chunky for a fly half wasn’t he?

He had the a**e of a prop. 


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Posted By: ScarletBear
Date Posted: 26 February 2021 at 12:47am
Originally posted by LLANDRE LLANDRE wrote:

Gary Pearce wasn't far from Llansteffan.  He was from Laugharne. 

That's right. I mixed them up.


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Posted By: ScarletBear
Date Posted: 26 February 2021 at 1:02am
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by LLANDRE LLANDRE wrote:

Gary Pearce wasn't far from Llansteffan.  He was from Laugharne. 

A totally under rated scarlets star, had a few cracking seasons with us, before heading north, beating the fantastic 84 aussies and winning the 85 cup final with a late drop goal
after a lovely jon griffiths pass ,against cardiff who had a dubious cordle try allowed.

In the words of dai parry jones commentating "a try from cordle, a very unusual one, but its worth 4 points " LOL

For those who have Facebook, here is the 1985 Final v Cardiff.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=599539044252062

And here is the 73 Final v Cardiff (again). 
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=883701795439672

The 72/73 season was immense. Beat the ABs and then win the Cup after losing it the season previous. That run of 4 cup wins must have been in no small part due to the confidence gained in the NZ victory.


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Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 18 March 2021 at 3:57pm
Clive John an excellent attacking 7.
And the squad coached, of course, by Carwyn James


Posted By: ScarletBear
Date Posted: 18 March 2021 at 5:39pm
Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

Clive John an excellent attacking 7.
And the squad coached, of course, by Carwyn James

And reffed by Nige? Embarrassed


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Posted By: Grammar School Boy
Date Posted: 15 May 2021 at 2:53am
Thanks for the 1973 Cup Final link, I was there....Cardiff were favourites as I recall.

Was a great night in the club that night!



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