Print Page | Close Window

Cardiff Rugby?

Printed From: Scarlet Fever Llanelli Rugby Sport Wales Tickets
Category: RUGBY
Forum Name: GENERAL RUGBY
Forum Description: Other rugby chat
URL: https://www.scarletfever.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=46252
Printed Date: 14 May 2021 at 8:00am
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 12.04 - http://www.webwizforums.com


Topic: Cardiff Rugby?
Posted By: roy munster
Subject: Cardiff Rugby?
Date Posted: 07 March 2021 at 7:43pm
Changing name from Cardiff Blues to Cardiff Rugby?

Nigel Walker saying 83% of fans are Cardiffians and only 17% are from elsewhere. So clearly he feels this name change is intended to appeal to more sponsors and Cardiffians. Id imagine those outside Cardiff will see this as a snub. Though sad Dale the chief mackintosh says, 60% of the players are from valleys clubs.
If this makes sense commercially maybe it makes sense, just seems a strange thing to do to rock the boat after over 15 years of regional rugby




-------------
ROYMOND MUNTER MBE (FOR SERVICES TO THE COMBOVER)



Replies:
Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 07 March 2021 at 8:09pm
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Changing name from Cardiff Blues to Cardiff Rugby?

Nigel Walker saying 83% of fans are Cardiffians and only 17% are from elsewhere. So clearly he feels this name change is intended to appeal to more sponsors and Cardiffians. Id imagine those outside Cardiff will see this as a snub. Though sad Dale the chief mackintosh says, 60% of the players are from valleys clubs.
If this makes sense commercially maybe it makes sense, just seems a strange thing to do to rock the boat after over 15 years of regional rugby


Regional rugby is a load of nonsense. We have four professional clubs who run regional development pathways no different to an English club. Both Cardiff and Llanelli paid to stand alone as clubs. Cardiff is a world recognised rugby brand whereas the first thing that comes into my mind when I hear the word Blues is the Auckland based Super Rugby side. What’s interesting is that whenever Scarlets play in Europe on BT Sport most of the English co commentators like Dallaligio subconsciously refer to them as Llanelli and it’s the same with Cardiff. I do often wonder whether Llanelli should have been kept in the name. 

-------------
I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1


Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 07 March 2021 at 8:35pm
Yeah its the same whenever i hear the sharks i immediately think of the Durban Sharks not Sale. I think its a good move to be honest. They will still be synonymous with those light blue jerseys. 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 07 March 2021 at 9:08pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Changing name from Cardiff Blues to Cardiff Rugby?

Nigel Walker saying 83% of fans are Cardiffians and only 17% are from elsewhere. So clearly he feels this name change is intended to appeal to more sponsors and Cardiffians. Id imagine those outside Cardiff will see this as a snub. Though sad Dale the chief mackintosh says, 60% of the players are from valleys clubs.
If this makes sense commercially maybe it makes sense, just seems a strange thing to do to rock the boat after over 15 years of regional rugby


Regional rugby is a load of nonsense. We have four professional clubs who run regional development pathways no different to an English club. Both Cardiff and Llanelli paid to stand alone as clubs. Cardiff is a world recognised rugby brand whereas the first thing that comes into my mind when I hear the word Blues is the Auckland based Super Rugby side. What’s interesting is that whenever Scarlets play in Europe on BT Sport most of the English co commentators like Dallaligio subconsciously refer to them as Llanelli and it’s the same with Cardiff. I do often wonder whether Llanelli should have been kept in the name. 
so as a club they no longer will have first pick of all the talent from other clubs in what was their region? You can either  be a club or be a region, cardiff have made their decision. Good for them now they can deal with the consequences good and bad👍 Ps funny you mention auckland blues they only became that in 96 didn’t they?


Posted By: Kentexile
Date Posted: 07 March 2021 at 9:37pm
The main difference is we were (and still are)the only team in our region which would historically have been considered a first class club 



Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 07 March 2021 at 9:39pm
Originally posted by Kentexile Kentexile wrote:

The main difference is we were (and still are)the only team in our region which would historically have been considered a first class club 

spot on ☝️👍👍 cardiff want the status of being a stand alone club with the benefits of being a region, very arrogant attitude


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 07 March 2021 at 9:59pm
we were the only big west wales club so we were always a club and a sort of region too, with a great brand too. Its hard to compare us with other regions  as they didnt have the same identity in terms of tradition, identity or logisitics.

-------------
ROYMOND MUNTER MBE (FOR SERVICES TO THE COMBOVER)


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 07 March 2021 at 10:01pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Changing name from Cardiff Blues to Cardiff Rugby?

Nigel Walker saying 83% of fans are Cardiffians and only 17% are from elsewhere. So clearly he feels this name change is intended to appeal to more sponsors and Cardiffians. Id imagine those outside Cardiff will see this as a snub. Though sad Dale the chief mackintosh says, 60% of the players are from valleys clubs.
If this makes sense commercially maybe it makes sense, just seems a strange thing to do to rock the boat after over 15 years of regional rugby


Regional rugby is a load of nonsense. We have four professional clubs who run regional development pathways no different to an English club. Both Cardiff and Llanelli paid to stand alone as clubs. Cardiff is a world recognised rugby brand whereas the first thing that comes into my mind when I hear the word Blues is the Auckland based Super Rugby side. What’s interesting is that whenever Scarlets play in Europe on BT Sport most of the English co commentators like Dallaligio subconsciously refer to them as Llanelli and it’s the same with Cardiff. I do often wonder whether Llanelli should have been kept in the name. 
so as a club they no longer will have first pick of all the talent from other clubs in what was their region? You can either  be a club or be a region, cardiff have made their decision. Good for them now they can deal with the consequences good and bad👍 Ps funny you mention auckland blues they only became that in 96 didn’t they?
What? Nothing changes at all in terms of the development pathway. These players are contracted to Cardiff not to the semi-pro clubs. Quite literally nothing has changed apart from their name and the commercial potential which comes with it. 

-------------
I still wake up late at night and think of what might have been when tim stimpson hit that jammy penalty1


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 07 March 2021 at 10:13pm
Why  do other clubs have to send theit best young prospects to another club? Why cant we do a deal with say ponty? Why is cardiff going to generate more fans than cardiff blues ? It makes no sense ? Is a team called cardiff blues , who play every home game on cardiff not cardiff enough for them?


Posted By: Gate12
Date Posted: 07 March 2021 at 10:53pm
They haven't made the most of their city status and "worldwide" name since the 80's, the last time they won something in the highest level of competition available to them was the Welsh /Scottish league 21 years ago.

I don't see this rebranding changing anything to be honest. 

Dale mackintosh's stat about the amount of their players that come from the Valleys (largely ponty) was interesting, I guessed from scanning their squad it was high but I didn't realise it was that high. 


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 07 March 2021 at 11:15pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Changing name from Cardiff Blues to Cardiff Rugby?

Nigel Walker saying 83% of fans are Cardiffians and only 17% are from elsewhere. So clearly he feels this name change is intended to appeal to more sponsors and Cardiffians. Id imagine those outside Cardiff will see this as a snub. Though sad Dale the chief mackintosh says, 60% of the players are from valleys clubs.
If this makes sense commercially maybe it makes sense, just seems a strange thing to do to rock the boat after over 15 years of regional rugby


Regional rugby is a load of nonsense. We have four professional clubs who run regional development pathways no different to an English club. Both Cardiff and Llanelli paid to stand alone as clubs. Cardiff is a world recognised rugby brand whereas the first thing that comes into my mind when I hear the word Blues is the Auckland based Super Rugby side. What’s interesting is that whenever Scarlets play in Europe on BT Sport most of the English co commentators like Dallaligio subconsciously refer to them as Llanelli and it’s the same with Cardiff. I do often wonder whether Llanelli should have been kept in the name. 
so as a club they no longer will have first pick of all the talent from other clubs in what was their region? You can either  be a club or be a region, cardiff have made their decision. Good for them now they can deal with the consequences good and bad👍 Ps funny you mention auckland blues they only became that in 96 didn’t they?
What? Nothing changes at all in terms of the development pathway. These players are contracted to Cardiff not to the semi-pro clubs. Quite literally nothing has changed apart from their name and the commercial potential which comes with it. 
 

Yes we should have kept Llanelli in our name and left us as Llanelli Scarlets perhaps, as we already shouted “Scarlets Scarlets”... from the touchiness to my earliest recollections in the’ 60’s and outside our locality sporting people know us more for the name Llanelli rugby club rather than the Scarlets as that’s what we are Llanelli! 

Our fan base and feeder base hasn’t changed at all. 




-------------
"I'd rather have been a judge than a miner.Being a miner,as soon as you are too old and tired and sick and stupid to do the job properly,you have to go.The very opposite applies with judges!"P.Cook


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 08 March 2021 at 1:25pm
Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

They haven't made the most of their city status and "worldwide" name since the 80's, the last time they won something in the highest level of competition available to them was the Welsh /Scottish league 21 years ago.

I don't see this rebranding changing anything to be honest. 

Dale mackintosh's stat about the amount of their players that come from the Valleys (largely ponty) was interesting, I guessed from scanning their squad it was high but I didn't realise it was that high. 

Didn’t they win the challenge cup?


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 08 March 2021 at 1:35pm
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

we were the only big west wales club so we were always a club and a sort of region too, with a great brand too. Its hard to compare us with other regions  as they didnt have the same identity in terms of tradition, identity or logisitics.

Excellent points.


-------------
“You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift)


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 08 March 2021 at 1:36pm
Maybe they could have gone for cardiff blue and blacks as thats what they were always known as , just a bit of a mouthful

-------------
ROYMOND MUNTER MBE (FOR SERVICES TO THE COMBOVER)


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 08 March 2021 at 2:59pm
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

They haven't made the most of their city status and "worldwide" name since the 80's, the last time they won something in the highest level of competition available to them was the Welsh /Scottish league 21 years ago.

I don't see this rebranding changing anything to be honest. 

Dale mackintosh's stat about the amount of their players that come from the Valleys (largely ponty) was interesting, I guessed from scanning their squad it was high but I didn't realise it was that high. 


Didn’t they win the challenge cup?


Yes, a Tier 2 event though. Going one step further than the mighty Caerphilly did in the same comp.

I feel the point is valid though. Cardiff have had more than their fare share of off field wrangles, venue confusion, funding nonsense, coaching changes etc.
Perpetually impacting their on field impact.


Posted By: y ddraig bwyd
Date Posted: 08 March 2021 at 4:01pm
Just an aside to the name change from Cardiff Blues to Cardiff !! This surely means that Dwayne is out of contract as he signed for the Cardiff Blues who will no longer exist !! Croeso gartref Dwayne !!

-------------
y ddraig bwyd


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 08 March 2021 at 4:11pm
Originally posted by y ddraig bwyd y ddraig bwyd wrote:

Just an aside to the name change from Cardiff Blues to Cardiff !! This surely means that Dwayne is out of contract as he signed for the Cardiff Blues who will no longer exist !! Croeso gartref Dwayne !!

I would assume it is a rebranding exercise as opposed to a change in the legal entity.


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 08 March 2021 at 4:15pm
Originally posted by y ddraig bwyd y ddraig bwyd wrote:

Just an aside to the name change from Cardiff Blues to Cardiff !! This surely means that Dwayne is out of contract as he signed for the Cardiff Blues who will no longer exist !! Croeso gartref Dwayne !!
brilliantLOL

-------------
ROYMOND MUNTER MBE (FOR SERVICES TO THE COMBOVER)


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 08 March 2021 at 4:42pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

They haven't made the most of their city status and "worldwide" name since the 80's, the last time they won something in the highest level of competition available to them was the Welsh /Scottish league 21 years ago.

I don't see this rebranding changing anything to be honest. 

Dale mackintosh's stat about the amount of their players that come from the Valleys (largely ponty) was interesting, I guessed from scanning their squad it was high but I didn't realise it was that high. 


Didn’t they win the challenge cup?


Yes, a Tier 2 event though. Going one step further than the mighty Caerphilly did in the same comp.

I feel the point is valid though. Cardiff have had more than their fare share of off field wrangles, venue confusion, funding nonsense, coaching changes etc.
Perpetually impacting their on field impact.

Oh yeh I remember. So going by that rationale if the Scarlets ever won it it’s not something to brag about. 


Posted By: trinity60
Date Posted: 08 March 2021 at 4:50pm
Anyone else think the blues are on the brink of going under again?
With the re-branding and them being the only region to be vocal on how they are going to struggle with the terms of the loan?
Is there something bigger going on behind closed doors?


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 08 March 2021 at 5:06pm
Why is support from outside cardiff at only 17% of their total? Sounds like a lot more could have been done there to net more people across a pretty big region

-------------
ROYMOND MUNTER MBE (FOR SERVICES TO THE COMBOVER)


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 08 March 2021 at 5:11pm
Originally posted by trinity60 trinity60 wrote:

Anyone else think the blues are on the brink of going under again?
With the re-branding and them being the only region to be vocal on how they are going to struggle with the terms of the loan?
Is there something bigger going on behind closed doors?

You may have something there!!!

https://www.bbc.com/sport/amp/rugby-union/56306032" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.com/sport/amp/rugby-union/56306032


Posted By: trinity60
Date Posted: 08 March 2021 at 5:20pm
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by trinity60 trinity60 wrote:

Anyone else think the blues are on the brink of going under again?
With the re-branding and them being the only region to be vocal on how they are going to struggle with the terms of the loan?
Is there something bigger going on behind closed doors?

You may have something there!!!

https://www.bbc.com/sport/amp/rugby-union/56306032" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.com/sport/amp/rugby-union/56306032

Throw in the Peel saga as well. 
There’s got to be more to it all then is being let out of the arms park.



Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 08 March 2021 at 5:44pm
Their crowds have been poor for a long time, way before lockdown. Theres always been a complex relationship with the athletic club too over rent. Whatever happened to the proposed redevelopment of the arms park too? wasnt a hotel and convention centre due on that land?  They must be desperate for a slice of this new tv money deal off the wru

-------------
ROYMOND MUNTER MBE (FOR SERVICES TO THE COMBOVER)


Posted By: SospanMawr
Date Posted: 08 March 2021 at 7:22pm
I don’t think any Welsh professional team can be accused of consistently achieving what they’re able to, but in my opinion Cardiff are the biggest underachievers of the 4.


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 08 March 2021 at 10:38pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Didn’t they win the challenge cup?


Yes, a Tier 2 event though. Going one step further than the mighty Caerphilly did in the same comp.
I think it was the third tier competition Caerphilly reached the final of, not the old Parker Pen. 


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 08 March 2021 at 10:44pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

so as a club they no longer will have first pick of all the talent from other clubs in what was their region? You can either  be a club or be a region, cardiff have made their decision. Good for them now they can deal with the consequences good and bad👍
We’re a club and a ‘region’. They’re no different to us. Why they’ve chosen to market themselves as “The Blues” over the last 17 years when they’ve got one of the most illustrious histories in club rugby has been bemusing. 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 7:14am
Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Didn’t they win the challenge cup?


Yes, a Tier 2 event though. Going one step further than the mighty Caerphilly did in the same comp.

I think it was the third tier competition Caerphilly reached the final of, not the old Parker Pen. 


You are right.

The best worst team in the Northern Hemisphere Cup.



Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 7:16am
Sorry but if the scarlets were to win the challenge cup it would be hugely celebrated on here & rightly so. 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 7:18am
We'd have to be in it to win it over the last 15 years.


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 8:25am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

We'd have to be in it to win it over the last 15 years.

Ummmm were we not in it in 2019?


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 8:45am
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

We'd have to be in it to win it over the last 15 years.


Ummmm were we not in it in 2019?


There wasn’t a 3rd tier event in 2019?

Can’t recall when they stopped. Around 2006 I thought.


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 8:47am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

We'd have to be in it to win it over the last 15 years.


Ummmm were we not in it in 2019?


There wasn’t a 3rd tier event in 2019?

Can’t recall when they stopped. Around 2006 I thought.

My mistake will, I think we've crossed wires! I thought you were referring to the Blues win of the Challenge cup. Apologies.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 9:14am
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

We'd have to be in it to win it over the last 15 years.


Ummmm were we not in it in 2019?


There wasn’t a 3rd tier event in 2019?

Can’t recall when they stopped. Around 2006 I thought.


My mistake will, I think we've crossed wires! I thought you were referring to the Blues win of the Challenge cup. Apologies.


Oh yes!
Ha!
Apologies too.


Posted By: Gate12
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 10:14am
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

They haven't made the most of their city status and "worldwide" name since the 80's, the last time they won something in the highest level of competition available to them was the Welsh /Scottish league 21 years ago.

I don't see this rebranding changing anything to be honest. 

Dale mackintosh's stat about the amount of their players that come from the Valleys (largely ponty) was interesting, I guessed from scanning their squad it was high but I didn't realise it was that high. 


Didn’t they win the challenge cup?


Yes, a Tier 2 event though. Going one step further than the mighty Caerphilly did in the same comp.

I feel the point is valid though. Cardiff have had more than their fare share of off field wrangles, venue confusion, funding nonsense, coaching changes etc.
Perpetually impacting their on field impact.


Oh yeh I remember. So going by that rationale if the Scarlets ever won it it’s not something to brag about. 



Correct, I'd enjoy the day out but winning the league means more, winning the HC would obviously be the pinnacle.

This digresses from my point though, as a supporter I'd be wary of expectation and a change of name having any meaningful impact on off or on field performance.

There's a lot of hype going alongside the name change which is expected but I wouldn't get my hopes up if I was a Blues supporter. There's all the talk of a global brand, world renowned club, commercial powerhouse, etc. but nothing has really changed.

They've got the same squad, same staff, same stadium, same fans, pretty much the same name and badge and even similar club colours as they've have since rugby went professional, they've never made the most of their location and resources and I don't see changing the word Blues to Rugby changing that.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 10:42am
Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

They haven't made the most of their city status and "worldwide" name since the 80's, the last time they won something in the highest level of competition available to them was the Welsh /Scottish league 21 years ago.

I don't see this rebranding changing anything to be honest. 

Dale mackintosh's stat about the amount of their players that come from the Valleys (largely ponty) was interesting, I guessed from scanning their squad it was high but I didn't realise it was that high. 


Didn’t they win the challenge cup?


Yes, a Tier 2 event though. Going one step further than the mighty Caerphilly did in the same comp.

I feel the point is valid though. Cardiff have had more than their fare share of off field wrangles, venue confusion, funding nonsense, coaching changes etc.
Perpetually impacting their on field impact.


Oh yeh I remember. So going by that rationale if the Scarlets ever won it it’s not something to brag about. 



Correct, I'd enjoy the day out but winning the league means more, winning the HC would obviously be the pinnacle.

This digresses from my point though, as a supporter I'd be wary of expectation and a change of name having any meaningful impact on off or on field performance.

There's a lot of hype going alongside the name change which is expected but I wouldn't get my hopes up if I was a Blues supporter. There's all the talk of a global brand, world renowned club, commercial powerhouse, etc. but nothing has really changed.

They've got the same squad, same staff, same stadium, same fans, pretty much the same name and badge and even similar club colours as they've have since rugby went professional, they've never made the most of their location and resources and I don't see changing the word Blues to Rugby changing that.

You're right. They have been a badly run club for as long as I can recall. The fiasco over the ground rental typifies their dilemma. Considering their location in the heart of the city centre their average gates are very poor. 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 11:17am
Cardiff are deluded  if they think dropping the word blues will make thousands  more flock to the games and big businesses throw a fortune at them
 
 


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 11:24am
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Cardiff are deluded  if they think dropping the word blues will make thousands  more flock to the games and big businesses throw a fortune at them
 
 

Well deluded rather sums up the management style of Cardiff for many years. 


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 11:48am
Without getting too smug, this underlines how much progress weve made by comparison .....In the 1980s going to the arms park felt like going to visit your rich cousins, now its almost like role reversal. Im not saying were the finished article as a region, we still need more silverware....But I do feel weve been a far more successful region 

-------------
ROYMOND MUNTER MBE (FOR SERVICES TO THE COMBOVER)


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 12:05pm
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Without getting too smug, this underlines how much progress weve made by comparison .....In the 1980s going to the arms park felt like going to visit your rich cousins, now its almost like role reversal. Im not saying were the finished article as a region, we still need more silverware....But I do feel weve been a far more successful region 
roy mun,haven't you heard we are not a region we are a club.Tongue


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 12:08pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Without getting too smug, this underlines how much progress weve made by comparison .....In the 1980s going to the arms park felt like going to visit your rich cousins, now its almost like role reversal. Im not saying were the finished article as a region, we still need more silverware....But I do feel weve been a far more successful region 
roy mun,haven't you heard we are not a region we are a club.Tongue

LOL we're a clubegion


-------------
ROYMOND MUNTER MBE (FOR SERVICES TO THE COMBOVER)


Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 3:19pm
Perhaps any Ponty players/fans who have fallen for the Blues region gimmick will now realise that their sole purpose is to make the mighty Cardiff mightier yet.


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 5:19pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Without getting too smug, this underlines how much progress weve made by comparison .....In the 1980s going to the arms park felt like going to visit your rich cousins, now its almost like role reversal. Im not saying were the finished article as a region, we still need more silverware....But I do feel weve been a far more successful region 
roy mun,haven't you heard we are not a region we are a club.Tongue
We are definitely what we always were - a club- but although it would be nice to reintroduce Llanelli into our club name I think that we have naturally evolved comfortably into a club that covers a Region. I suspect that our supporters in the West will also prefer us in 2021 to be known as the Scarlets as well although I have not done a survey! Perhaps more luck than judgment but I think we are comfortable as we are.

-------------
"I'd rather have been a judge than a miner.Being a miner,as soon as you are too old and tired and sick and stupid to do the job properly,you have to go.The very opposite applies with judges!"P.Cook


Posted By: tannerbankboy
Date Posted: 09 March 2021 at 7:55pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Without getting too smug, this underlines how much progress weve made by comparison .....In the 1980s going to the arms park felt like going to visit your rich cousins, now its almost like role reversal. Im not saying were the finished article as a region, we still need more silverware....But I do feel weve been a far more successful region 
roy mun,haven't you heard we are not a region we are a club.Tongue
We are definitely what we always were - a club- but although it would be nice to reintroduce Llanelli into our club name I think that we have naturally evolved comfortably into a club that covers a Region. I suspect that our supporters in the West will also prefer us in 2021 to be known as the Scarlets as well although I have not done a survey! Perhaps more luck than judgment but I think we are comfortable as we are.
I didn't want Llanelli dropped from the name.  I want it back


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 10 March 2021 at 2:38pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Cardiff are deluded  if they think dropping the word blues will make thousands  more flock to the games and big businesses throw a fortune at them
Has anyone involved with Cardiff predicted that? I haven’t even seen any of their supporters suggesting that will happen. 

Their reverting to their old brand makes sense. They’ve got one of the greatest histories in club rugby, yet for 17 years they intentionally distanced themselves from that and marketed themselves as “The Blues”, a team with a short and mediocre history. And for what? You could probably count on your fingers the number of Pontypridd supporters who started supporting because they were “The Blues”. 


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 10 March 2021 at 2:51pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Sorry but if the scarlets were to win the challenge cup it would be hugely celebrated on here & rightly so. 
It’s alway nice to win a final, but the Challenge Cup is the third best trophy a club can win. Being in the competition is an indication of failure in itself, and winning it is just making the best out of a bad situation. 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 10 March 2021 at 3:40pm
Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Cardiff are deluded  if they think dropping the word blues will make thousands  more flock to the games and big businesses throw a fortune at them
Has anyone involved with Cardiff predicted that? I haven’t even seen any of their supporters suggesting that will happen. 

Their reverting to their old brand makes sense. They’ve got one of the greatest histories in club rugby, yet for 17 years they intentionally distanced themselves from that and marketed themselves as “The Blues”, a team with a short and mediocre history. And for what? You could probably count on your fingers the number of Pontypridd supporters who started supporting because they were “The Blues”. 
 
go on social media its full of Cardiff fans  saying how this is a dawn  of a new era etc comedy gold in fairness  LOLLOL
 
 
Brand Cardiff rugby is frankly no different to  brand Cardiff blues rugby  to anyone but their die hard fans in all honesty
 
I'll ask again as no one seems willing to answer how much Cardiff branding do they actually need?
They were called the Cardiff blues,  they played  every game in Cardiff and play  in Cardiff colours. That  is pretty Cardiff heavy already I'd say 
 
How many fans /sponsors are going to flock to them now they have dropped the word blues, I'm guessing next to none
 
Brand Cardiff rugby, is hardly  right up there along side Real Madrid, Manchester united  the Dallas cowboys , The new York Yankees etc in the  global world of sports marketing is it?
 
This change won't lose them many fans but it's not going to gain them many either


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 10 March 2021 at 4:03pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Cardiff are deluded  if they think dropping the word blues will make thousands  more flock to the games and big businesses throw a fortune at them
Has anyone involved with Cardiff predicted that? I haven’t even seen any of their supporters suggesting that will happen. 

Their reverting to their old brand makes sense. They’ve got one of the greatest histories in club rugby, yet for 17 years they intentionally distanced themselves from that and marketed themselves as “The Blues”, a team with a short and mediocre history. And for what? You could probably count on your fingers the number of Pontypridd supporters who started supporting because they were “The Blues”. 
 
go on social media its full of Cardiff fans  saying how this is a dawn  of a new era etc comedy gold in fairness  LOLLOL
 
 
Brand Cardiff rugby is frankly no different to  brand Cardiff blues rugby  to anyone but their die hard fans in all honesty
 
I'll ask again as no one seems willing to answer how much Cardiff branding do they actually need?
They were called the Cardiff blues,  they played  every game in Cardiff and play  in Cardiff colours. That  is pretty Cardiff heavy already I'd say 
 
How many fans /sponsors are going to flock to them now they have dropped the word blues, I'm guessing next to none
 
Brand Cardiff rugby, is hardly  right up there along side Real Madrid, Manchester united  the Dallas cowboys , The new York Yankees etc in the  global world of sports marketing is it?
 
This change won't lose them many fans but it's not going to gain them many either

Agreed. Selling it as something revolutionary may be a slight smokescreen from the board to take the spotlight away from their fairly fundamental issues which are lack of success over many years, financial issues which have never recovered since Pies closed his wallet and a pretty awful record of coach appointments since Dai Young left for Wasps. 

The area will continue to produce very talented players of course but they don't seem able to keep many through their pathway. 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 10 March 2021 at 4:24pm
As ever some succinct points.

I do think that with the exception of the Scarlets, none of the other Welsh regional teams ( or clubs!) could claim to have totally won over the hearts and minds of the original support base with their region branded names.

Even the Scarlets have a strong element that would want to see the club return to the 'Llanelli' name, and there's another raft of support who wouldn't' mind either way.

I happen to think that it's sensible from Cardiff Blues to re-brand to Cardiff Rugby. Nostalgia and empathy are significant components that the support base latch on to.

However how they have gone about it is so shoddy it's mind boggling.

First of all it doesn't kick in until September..by announcing it in March in order to allow time to 'transition the business' is absurd.
Change the name on the logo, the letterheads, the website and a few other bits and it's done. 6 months? Really?

The re-brand should have been accompanied by a new merchandise range launch at he same time, latching on to the nostalgia piece perhaps, been inked to season ticket launch, an introduction package for new members, and whole load of razzle dazzle.

Instead you have now got a lot of shop inventory that your going to have to put on a fire sale ( who would buy that Blues branded stuff now?) and most importantly missed out on a huge marketing scoop.

Bewildering.


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 10 March 2021 at 7:03pm
Agree with that plus it won’t make the match day experience at CAP any more enticing.

-------------
In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind.


Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 10 March 2021 at 7:08pm
Ive had a matchday experience at CAP. The place is falling apart. Not a good advert especially for sponsors

-------------
The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 10 March 2021 at 7:12pm
Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Ive had a matchday experience at CAP. The place is falling apart. Not a good advert especially for sponsors
Only been the once for Blues v Zebre.

It’s so far behind PyS.


-------------
In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind.


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 10 March 2021 at 7:13pm
Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Ive had a matchday experience at CAP. The place is falling apart. Not a good advert especially for sponsors
Only been the once for Blues v Benetton.

It’s so far behind PyS.


-------------
In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind.


Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 10 March 2021 at 7:21pm
Had lunch in the main lounge and im sure it was a microwave dinner. Had to walk half way around the stadium, through the millenium stadium corridor to get to our seats. And tbh the seats were falling apart. My mates company paid over £150 per head for that. It was a shocking experience.

-------------
The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 17 March 2021 at 10:26am
a big question that must be asked is why there are so few Cardiff born/bred players in the set up and in the welsh set up
 
it is by far the biggest city in wales in terms of population but it is offering very little in terms of players for the test team
 
what is going on in Cardiff schools/club rugby that is causing this lack of players making it at the highest level
 
And why are they losing so many bright young talents to England LRZ Sheedy and now the Lloyd brothers


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 17 March 2021 at 10:28am
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

a big question that must be asked is why there are so few Cardiff born/bred players in the set up and in the welsh set up
 
it is by far the biggest city in wales in terms of population but it is offering very little in terms of players for the test team
 
what is going on in Cardiff schools/club rugby that is causing this lack of players making it at the highest level
 
And why are they losing so many bright young talents to England LRZ Sheedy and now the Lloyd brothers

Could the fact that Cardiff City were in the premier league a couple of years ago have anything to do with it?


Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 17 March 2021 at 10:39am
Not representative but my family who live in Cardiff are football fans through and through. Only turn a rugby game on during World Cup or Six Nations.

Part of me thinks “big city” types are less likely to want their kids playing rugby and the rugby club is less central to the community.

But also I think the talented players from East Wales are more likely to be poached at a young age by the big English schools which are effectively 1 hour drive from Cardiff.


-------------
https://twitter.com/exile_podcast?lang=en


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 17 March 2021 at 12:02pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

a big question that must be asked is why there are so few Cardiff born/bred players in the set up and in the welsh set up
 
it is by far the biggest city in wales in terms of population but it is offering very little in terms of players for the test team
 
what is going on in Cardiff schools/club rugby that is causing this lack of players making it at the highest level
 
And why are they losing so many bright young talents to England LRZ Sheedy and now the Lloyd brothers

Could the fact that Cardiff City were in the premier league a couple of years ago have anything to do with it?
 
same applies to Swansea but they still churn out top players in fairness to them


Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 02 April 2021 at 2:23pm
The Cardiff Blues CEO Richard Holland is stating in the WOL that the blues haven’t received a penny for the players involved in the recent 6 nations championship, I presume that’s the same for us and the other 2 regions.  
If this is correct (and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if this was the case) then it just sums up the contempt the WRU have for any form of rugby under that of the national setup.
We have a union that loves to take all the plaudits when the national team and any of the regions do well (remember Howley claiming that our success in 2016 was partly down to the WRU and the national setup), constantly take any offer on the table for naming rights, sponsorship deals, TV deals etc, but never want to pay out what is rightful owed or fund the regions that feed the national team properly (unlike the other nations).



Print Page | Close Window

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.04 - http://www.webwizforums.com
Copyright ©2001-2021 Web Wiz Ltd. - https://www.webwiz.net