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Topic: Departing Players
Posted By: minded
Subject: Departing Players
Date Posted: 17 May 2021 at 3:32pm
https://www.scarlets.wales/article/scarlets-make-presentations-to-departing-players/" rel="nofollow - https://www.scarlets.wales/article/scarlets-make-presentations-to-departing-players/

Jake Ball
Werner Kruger
Paul Asquith
Uzair Cassiem
Dylan Evans
Ed Kennedy
Tom Phillips
Jac Morgan
Osian Knott
Pieter Scholtz
Joe Miles
Will Homer


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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 17 May 2021 at 3:37pm
Good to see this in one press release. Add Tex to the list ( already left ).



Posted By: PE SA
Date Posted: 17 May 2021 at 3:45pm
All the best to all players and a big diolch yn fawr to them all.


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 17 May 2021 at 3:48pm
Yep, many of those listed gave everything for us. There are definitely a couple I am sad to see go but everyone of them have their reasons. Was always impressed when I saw Homer play.


Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 17 May 2021 at 4:06pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Yep, many of those listed gave everything for us. There are definitely a couple I am sad to see go but everyone of them have their reasons. Was always impressed when I saw Homer play.


Yes, Homer was certainly better than the average 4th choice scrum-half and had more pace than most of our backs. He deserves the chance to move to a squad that will give him a better chance to progress.


Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 17 May 2021 at 4:14pm
Beyond disappointed that Kennedy and Asquith are leaving. Far better than others who stuck around. Thanks for all the folks leaving have given us.


Posted By: shocker
Date Posted: 17 May 2021 at 4:21pm
There must be a few players that have breathed a sigh of relief of not being released.
Will we now go out and get genuine pace  and quality to replace them or will we work with what's left


Posted By: Sandman
Date Posted: 17 May 2021 at 4:41pm
The importance of the above list will only be seen after the new recruitment plan is finalised. Some of the players named above didn’t play much for us anyway, some deserved more game time and others put massive shifts in for us. We’ll have to wait and see if the new recruits will be and improvement on those that are leaving. Modern rugby is a cutthroat business. Wish all the departing players all the best of luck for the future and my gratitude for their services. 

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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 17 May 2021 at 4:45pm
Disappointed that Kennedy who is still only 26 and welsh qualified is going unless of course he wants to return home as he is the sort of just below Welsh international level we want? 🤔 Sorry for loyal Scarlet Tom Phillips who has been hampered by several long term injuries before he got going at senior level. Departure seemed inevitable. 

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Posted By: Jones2004
Date Posted: 17 May 2021 at 4:46pm
As others have said good luck to all the players leaving us. I must confess, with the restructuring of the season I’m surprised that more players haven’t left us, especially at hooker where we seem to have 5 or 6 first team players, if my maths is correct. 


Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 17 May 2021 at 4:49pm
Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Yep, many of those listed gave everything for us. There are definitely a couple I am sad to see go but everyone of them have their reasons. Was always impressed when I saw Homer play.


Yes, Homer was certainly better than the average 4th choice scrum-half and had more pace than most of our backs. He deserves the chance to move to a squad that will give him a better chance to progress.
Indeed.  I can see Homer popping up in another team and tormenting us in a few years time. Who will be our 4th scrum half next season then? Assuming we will still need 4. 

Best of luck to the departing players.  There are some top blokes in that list.  Shame we didn't get a chance to wave them off at PyS.  All the best to them all. Clap


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Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 17 May 2021 at 4:54pm
Thank you all for your efforts in the Scarlet shirt. Sorry to see you all go, but I sincerely wish you all the very very best in the future. You'll always be made welcome when you return to visit us at Parc y Scarlets.

Pob lwc i chi gyd.


Posted By: shocker
Date Posted: 17 May 2021 at 4:56pm
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Thank you all for your efforts in the Scarlet shirt. Sorry to see you all go, but I sincerely wish you all the very very best in the future. You'll always be made welcome when you return to visit us at Parc y Scarlets.

Pob lwc i chi gyd.

Even the ones that will run out in black next yearLOL


Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 17 May 2021 at 5:12pm
Originally posted by Rob o'r Bont Rob o'r Bont wrote:

Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Yep, many of those listed gave everything for us. There are definitely a couple I am sad to see go but everyone of them have their reasons. Was always impressed when I saw Homer play.


Yes, Homer was certainly better than the average 4th choice scrum-half and had more pace than most of our backs. He deserves the chance to move to a squad that will give him a better chance to progress.
Indeed.  I can see Homer popping up in another team and tormenting us in a few years time. Who will be our 4th scrum half next season then? Assuming we will still need 4. 

Best of luck to the departing players.  There are some top blokes in that list.  Shame we didn't get a chance to wave them off at PyS.  All the best to them all. Clap
We def need 4 scrum halves with Hardy and Cawdor away with Wales 


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Posted By: ScarletBear
Date Posted: 17 May 2021 at 5:22pm
Originally posted by Tony Clifton Tony Clifton wrote:

Beyond disappointed that Kennedy and Asquith are leaving. Far better than others who stuck around. Thanks for all the folks leaving have given us.

Fully agree. 


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Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 17 May 2021 at 5:36pm
Originally posted by shocker shocker wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Thank you all for your efforts in the Scarlet shirt. Sorry to see you all go, but I sincerely wish you all the very very best in the future. You'll always be made welcome when you return to visit us at Parc y Scarlets.

Pob lwc i chi gyd.

Even the ones that will run out in black next yearLOL

Nope !


Posted By: Bys Meri Ann
Date Posted: 17 May 2021 at 8:27pm
Interesting clip here of our non-Welsh contingent (all of them departing as it happens) trying to pronounce Welsh sayings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk43sez3lEU  " rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk43sez3lEU   ;

Good to see them making an effort to use Welsh and some of them sound as if they've 'gone native' over the years! Shame to see them go because the likes of Asquith, Homer, Kennedy, Cassiem will add a lot to any team.


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 17 May 2021 at 11:15pm
Originally posted by Tony Clifton Tony Clifton wrote:

Beyond disappointed that Kennedy and Asquith are leaving. Far better than others who stuck around. Thanks for all the folks leaving have given us.
Who are they better than out of interest?

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Posted By: turkishrebel
Date Posted: 18 May 2021 at 7:46am
i would say asquith is better than steff hughes for certain and the way foxey has played for us he has played better than him when hes had a chance



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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 18 May 2021 at 7:52am
Originally posted by turkishrebel turkishrebel wrote:

i would say asquith is better than steff hughes for certain and the way foxey has played for us he has played better than him when hes had a chance


Foxy looked better on the weekend but one swallow doesn't make a summer & all that. I'm gutted about Asquith, such a classy player.


Posted By: Exkixu
Date Posted: 18 May 2021 at 8:25am
Unpopular opinion here but Asquith has benefited from playing to his strenghts against tiring defences when coming from the bench. Other than that, he was nothing more than a good club player and certainly not a starter, of which we have a few. Yet the board seems enamoured with him.

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 18 May 2021 at 8:32am
Pretty pointless exercise comparing departing & retained players. I wish all 12 the very best for their futures. The life of a professional rugby player is a pretty tough one. For sure the benefits can be very good but for those outside the elite you are only ever working on a two year window of employment which I am sure can be very stressful with the ever present prospect of an injury round the corner. 


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 18 May 2021 at 10:21am
Not that his class was ever in doubt but I set a quick message via Instagram to Cassiem, as I know a couple of mates have, to say "sad to see you go etc" & he has replied to every message sent to him.

Leegend.


Posted By: minded
Date Posted: 18 May 2021 at 2:22pm
Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

https://www.scarlets.wales/article/scarlets-make-presentations-to-departing-players/" rel="nofollow - https://www.scarlets.wales/article/scarlets-make-presentations-to-departing-players/

Jake Ball
Werner Kruger
Paul Asquith
Uzair Cassiem
Dylan Evans
Ed Kennedy
Tom Phillips
Jac Morgan
Osian Knott
Pieter Scholtz
Joe Miles
Will Homer
If this is the final list of leavers, I think we're due some contract renewal announcements for Marc Jones, Rawlins and Cubby soon? Unless they've signed 4 year contracts at the time Confused


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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 18 May 2021 at 2:38pm
Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

Originally posted by minded minded wrote:

https://www.scarlets.wales/article/scarlets-make-presentations-to-departing-players/" rel="nofollow - https://www.scarlets.wales/article/scarlets-make-presentations-to-departing-players/

Jake Ball
Werner Kruger
Paul Asquith
Uzair Cassiem
Dylan Evans
Ed Kennedy
Tom Phillips
Jac Morgan
Osian Knott
Pieter Scholtz
Joe Miles
Will Homer
If this is the final list of leavers, I think we're due some contract renewal announcements for Marc Jones, Rawlins and Cubby soon? Unless they've signed 4 year contracts at the time Confused

There's a re-signing being announced imminently. 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 18 May 2021 at 3:36pm
There are a couple of departures to come. Just my view.


Posted By: thommo
Date Posted: 18 May 2021 at 3:39pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

There are a couple of departures to come. Just my view.
I wonder how much more Foxy and Halfpenny have left in the tank. 


Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 18 May 2021 at 4:20pm
I believe that Foxy and HP are both part of the welsh 38 elite players scheme, so as long as the WRU are picking up the majority of their wages they will remain with us.  I don’t believe that they have much more left in the tank (as this season has proven) so I can foresee them having maybe a season or two left at max.


Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 18 May 2021 at 10:13pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

There are a couple of departures to come. Just my view.
On a pure numbers equation, given we realistically have a couple more new additions to do, I'd say we are likely to lose one or two.

Strange not to announce it at the same time as the others though. Unless we are looking to let go of players still in contract, or someone is moving to a non-playing role.


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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 19 May 2021 at 7:18am
Something like that...or they are about to sign for someone else, and it's not completed yet etc.


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 19 May 2021 at 7:36am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Something like that...or they are about to sign for someone else, and it's not completed yet etc.

Anyone in mind Wil? I know the Scarlets came out & said they’re doing something special for Cassiem in the coming weeks so maybe if there are one or two more leavers they’ll be announced closer to that time. 


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 19 May 2021 at 8:16am
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Something like that...or they are about to sign for someone else, and it's not completed yet etc.

Anyone in mind Wil? I know the Scarlets came out & said they’re doing something special for Cassiem in the coming weeks so maybe if there are one or two more leavers they’ll be announced closer to that time. 
Didnt realise this re Cassiem. Any clues as to what?

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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 19 May 2021 at 8:48am
Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Something like that...or they are about to sign for someone else, and it's not completed yet etc.

Anyone in mind Wil? I know the Scarlets came out & said they’re doing something special for Cassiem in the coming weeks so maybe if there are one or two more leavers they’ll be announced closer to that time. 
Didnt realise this re Cassiem. Any clues as to what?

I'm not sure what exactly but the Scarlets replied to someones tweet on the matter.


Posted By: turkishrebel
Date Posted: 19 May 2021 at 9:31am
bit concerned on who else could be leaving? we have shed 12 already. 

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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 19 May 2021 at 9:31am
Originally posted by turkishrebel turkishrebel wrote:

bit concerned on who else could be leaving? we have shed 12 already. 

I guess it depends if we have more incoming really to balance it out. 


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 19 May 2021 at 9:40am
Finance dictates in reality. The WRU are being their usual dynamic helpful selves according to Dean Ryan. How can a business expect to plan when they are still unaware of their projected income for next year. 


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 19 May 2021 at 10:24am
Cubby and Patch ? They are just faded memories.  How many games have they each played in last two years for the Scarlets ? All very depressing for us and of course them. 

I suspect Taylor Davies as well to Dragons?


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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 19 May 2021 at 10:36am
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Cubby and Patch ? They are just faded memories.  How many games have they each played in last two years for the Scarlets ? All very depressing for us and of course them. 

I suspect Taylor Davies as well to Dragons?

They certainly are, if they overcome their respective issues will they even be close to the players they were?


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 19 May 2021 at 1:22pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Something like that...or they are about to sign for someone else, and it's not completed yet etc.

Anyone in mind Wil? I know the Scarlets came out & said they’re doing something special for Cassiem in the coming weeks so maybe if there are one or two more leavers they’ll be announced closer to that time. 
Why just for Cassiem?? Jake Ball has been a colossus for the Scarlets and Werner Kruger has also been a great servant.

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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 19 May 2021 at 1:24pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Something like that...or they are about to sign for someone else, and it's not completed yet etc.

Anyone in mind Wil? I know the Scarlets came out & said they’re doing something special for Cassiem in the coming weeks so maybe if there are one or two more leavers they’ll be announced closer to that time. 
Why just for Cassiem?? Jake Ball has been a colossus for the Scarlets and Werner Kruger has also been a great servant.

Ive no idea, the tweet thread is here.  https://twitter.com/scarlets_rugby/status/1394301101315330049" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/scarlets_rugby/status/1394301101315330049


Posted By: N14
Date Posted: 19 May 2021 at 1:54pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Something like that...or they are about to sign for someone else, and it's not completed yet etc.

Anyone in mind Wil? I know the Scarlets came out & said they’re doing something special for Cassiem in the coming weeks so maybe if there are one or two more leavers they’ll be announced closer to that time. 
Why just for Cassiem?? Jake Ball has been a colossus for the Scarlets and Werner Kruger has also been a great servant.

I thought the same. I have a lot of appreciation for Cassiem, we haven't had a player go out of their way to interact with the fans in the way that he has in years. But it's difficult doing something special for one player and not the rest. As you say, Ball and Kruger have been great servants.


Posted By: Jones2004
Date Posted: 19 May 2021 at 2:07pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Something like that...or they are about to sign for someone else, and it's not completed yet etc.

Anyone in mind Wil? I know the Scarlets came out & said they’re doing something special for Cassiem in the coming weeks so maybe if there are one or two more leavers they’ll be announced closer to that time. 
Why just for Cassiem?? Jake Ball has been a colossus for the Scarlets and Werner Kruger has also been a great servant.

Ive no idea, the tweet thread is here.  https://twitter.com/scarlets_rugby/status/1394301101315330049" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/scarlets_rugby/status/1394301101315330049
In the pictures they released with it there was pictures with Ball, Kruger, Kennedy and Asquith but not Cassiem. Perhaps all it means is that Cassiem hasn’t had the shirt presentation and they’ll do that individually with him before he leaves? Trying to read in between the lines here because I can’t imagine us doing something for Cassiem that we wouldn’t do for other players. 


Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 19 May 2021 at 7:45pm
Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Something like that...or they are about to sign for someone else, and it's not completed yet etc.

Anyone in mind Wil? I know the Scarlets came out & said they’re doing something special for Cassiem in the coming weeks so maybe if there are one or two more leavers they’ll be announced closer to that time. 
Didnt realise this re Cassiem. Any clues as to what?
SM has made a further request for fans to be allowed in to a game. The Edinburgh game this time


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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 20 May 2021 at 3:07pm
Always a sad moment when players leave, especially those who have shown a lot of commitment, or have just had bad luck with injuries (or selector preferences!).

Good luck to all these guys, especially Cassiem.


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Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 20 May 2021 at 5:19pm
Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Always a sad moment when players leave, especially those who have shown a lot of commitment, or have just had bad luck with injuries (or selector preferences!).

Good luck to all these guys, especially Cassiem.
Why Cassiem over everyone else?

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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 20 May 2021 at 6:36pm
Cassiem cult hero in fairness . Big relationship with the fans


Posted By: tannerbankboy
Date Posted: 20 May 2021 at 11:52pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Always a sad moment when players leave, especially those who have shown a lot of commitment, or have just had bad luck with injuries (or selector preferences!).

Good luck to all these guys, especially Cassiem.
Why Cassiem over everyone else?
Maybe something to do with departure dates and others going sooner, just guessing



Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 21 May 2021 at 1:30pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Always a sad moment when players leave, especially those who have shown a lot of commitment, or have just had bad luck with injuries (or selector preferences!).

Good luck to all these guys, especially Cassiem.
Why Cassiem over everyone else?

Very much a guy who tried to connect with the fans.

I'm not saying anything about the others - there were good reasons for all of them - for example, Jake will be missed the most, but he's absolutely right to want to be with his family. I suppose that of those who could have been kept on, Cassiem is the one I regret the most.


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Posted By: SospanMawr
Date Posted: 21 May 2021 at 3:28pm
Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Always a sad moment when players leave, especially those who have shown a lot of commitment, or have just had bad luck with injuries (or selector preferences!).

Good luck to all these guys, especially Cassiem.
Why Cassiem over everyone else?

Very much a guy who tried to connect with the fans.

I'm not saying anything about the others - there were good reasons for all of them - for example, Jake will be missed the most, but he's absolutely right to want to be with his family. I suppose that of those who could have been kept on, Cassiem is the one I regret the most.
Is this assuming we had no chance of keeping Ball due to him wanting to be with his family? Because for me Jake is a huge huge loss, the biggest of anyone leaving us.


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 21 May 2021 at 3:50pm
Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Always a sad moment when players leave, especially those who have shown a lot of commitment, or have just had bad luck with injuries (or selector preferences!).

Good luck to all these guys, especially Cassiem.
Why Cassiem over everyone else?

Very much a guy who tried to connect with the fans.

I'm not saying anything about the others - there were good reasons for all of them - for example, Jake will be missed the most, but he's absolutely right to want to be with his family. I suppose that of those who could have been kept on, Cassiem is the one I regret the most.
Is this assuming we had no chance of keeping Ball due to him wanting to be with his family? Because for me Jake is a huge huge loss, the biggest of anyone leaving us.
Good timing. Career goals met and more competition in Wales squad at second row to guarantee a start plus family living in Oz and quite possibly a position with a team in Australia as well. Just so sad to see these farewells with no crowds present for us and the players ☹️

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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 21 May 2021 at 3:58pm
Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Always a sad moment when players leave, especially those who have shown a lot of commitment, or have just had bad luck with injuries (or selector preferences!).

Good luck to all these guys, especially Cassiem.
Why Cassiem over everyone else?

Very much a guy who tried to connect with the fans.

I'm not saying anything about the others - there were good reasons for all of them - for example, Jake will be missed the most, but he's absolutely right to want to be with his family. I suppose that of those who could have been kept on, Cassiem is the one I regret the most.
Is this assuming we had no chance of keeping Ball due to him wanting to be with his family? Because for me Jake is a huge huge loss, the biggest of anyone leaving us.

I agree here, I think we are looking at Cassiem's rapport with us fans & the extra effort he goes to with us. Balls carries & clear outs at rucks will be hard to replicate if we don't get a big second rower in.


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 22 May 2021 at 12:54pm
Originally posted by SospanMawr SospanMawr wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Always a sad moment when players leave, especially those who have shown a lot of commitment, or have just had bad luck with injuries (or selector preferences!).

Good luck to all these guys, especially Cassiem.
Why Cassiem over everyone else?

Very much a guy who tried to connect with the fans.

I'm not saying anything about the others - there were good reasons for all of them - for example, Jake will be missed the most, but he's absolutely right to want to be with his family. I suppose that of those who could have been kept on, Cassiem is the one I regret the most.
Is this assuming we had no chance of keeping Ball due to him wanting to be with his family? Because for me Jake is a huge huge loss, the biggest of anyone leaving us.
I agree Jake is a huge loss. There’s a real vulnerability in the front five without him

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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 23 May 2021 at 12:06pm
Ball class but starting to be a bit injury prone. No test matches will prolong his career


Posted By: shocker
Date Posted: 23 May 2021 at 12:49pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Ball class but starting to be a bit injury prone. No test matches will prolong his career

Wouldn't shock me  if we see him France  in a year or two


Posted By: BBledd
Date Posted: 23 May 2021 at 2:25pm
Originally posted by shocker shocker wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Ball class but starting to be a bit injury prone. No test matches will prolong his career

Wouldn't shock me  if we see him France  in a year or two

Or Japan....


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 27 May 2021 at 8:40am
A heart moving & at the same time heart warming article on WOL about Tom Phillips. His love of the Scarlet shines through & his philosphical outlook to being effectively rejected is a testimony to the individual. His dilemma outlines that for every professional rugby player there are 100's who do not make it for a variety of reasons - playing ability being just one. I wish him the very best for his and his family's future. 


Posted By: turkishrebel
Date Posted: 27 May 2021 at 9:24am
its some read GPR i agree, just felt so sorry for Tom. his run of injuries have just blocked what could have been an exceptional professional career.
he comes over as a very mature sensible lad who with a young family is looking for a career which i hope he finds. 


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Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 27 May 2021 at 9:36am
Huge shame he been blighted by injury always rated him highly,  He seems really grounded young man,  I’m sure he will proposer in whatever field he chooses with the attitude he has shown. 



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Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 27 May 2021 at 10:00am
It was sad reading about Tom. Played for my village of Llangennech and brought much pride to the area when he captained the U20s and played for Scarlets. Sadly he had no consideration for his own body and flew into everything hence causing his ongoing injuries. Best of luck to him going forward.

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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 27 May 2021 at 12:03pm
Good guy. Played for the RFC on a number of occasions during his injury come backs with great credit and just happy to play. Can’t believe he is still only 25. As has been said ferociously brave in the tackle and perhaps could have used a bit more caution on some of his hits. Tom seems to have accepted his position with huge amount of reality which is too his credit. It is a good place for him to now look at his career options. Pob lwc Tom 👍

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Posted By: Seagultaf
Date Posted: 27 May 2021 at 1:09pm
According to todays WoL Jake Ball has already played his last game for the Scarlets and has departed to meet his family in Australia.
No doubt he will be missed and its a great shame the supporters didn't get the chance to say goodby.



Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 27 May 2021 at 1:21pm
Originally posted by Seagultaf Seagultaf wrote:

According to todays WoL Jake Ball has already played his last game for the Scarlets and has departed to meet his family in Australia.
No doubt he will be missed and its a great shame the supporters didn't get the chance to say goodby.

Welcome to the forum. Yeah Jake is leaving big boots to fill both physically and metaphorically


Posted By: Jones2004
Date Posted: 27 May 2021 at 1:32pm
Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

Originally posted by Seagultaf Seagultaf wrote:

According to todays WoL Jake Ball has already played his last game for the Scarlets and has departed to meet his family in Australia.
No doubt he will be missed and its a great shame the supporters didn't get the chance to say goodby.
Welcome to the forum. Yeah Jake is leaving big boots to fill both physically and metaphorically
Absolutely. Nice to see the Scarlets letting him go early considering these are meaningless games and he has a 6 month old child in Australia that he’s yet to meet in person. Best of luck to Jake in whatever he decides to do next.


Posted By: Sandman
Date Posted: 27 May 2021 at 1:50pm
Originally posted by Seagultaf Seagultaf wrote:

According to todays WoL Jake Ball has already played his last game for the Scarlets and has departed to meet his family in Australia.
No doubt he will be missed and its a great shame the supporters didn't get the chance to say goodby.

Jake is flying out to Australia today to be back home with his family. Thanks for all your efforts Jake. Best of luck down under. 

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Posted By: KID A
Date Posted: 27 May 2021 at 1:53pm
Originally posted by BBledd BBledd wrote:

Originally posted by shocker shocker wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Ball class but starting to be a bit injury prone. No test matches will prolong his career


Wouldn't shock me  if we see him France  in a year or two


Or Japan....


I think we'll see him in Japan sooner rather than later. Big loss.

We need a lock, a centre and possibly 7 and 9 cover.


Posted By: ScarletBear
Date Posted: 27 May 2021 at 1:56pm
Last night I was watching a very good interview between Jake and Garan. It was 45 minutes long but I only saw the first 10 and somehow lost the link. Anyone got it?

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Posted By: turkishrebel
Date Posted: 27 May 2021 at 2:02pm
Scarletbear if you go on youtube and find the scarlets channel its all on there. 



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Posted By: minded
Date Posted: 27 May 2021 at 2:03pm


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Posted By: M.M.
Date Posted: 27 May 2021 at 2:03pm
Originally posted by Seagultaf Seagultaf wrote:

According to todays WoL Jake Ball has already played his last game for the Scarlets and has departed to meet his family in Australia.
No doubt he will be missed and its a great shame the supporters didn't get the chance to say goodby.

Jake & Uzair attended a CRYS16 Zoom meeting on Monday evening where supporters had the chance to thank them in person  for their time and effort over the years. 


Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 27 May 2021 at 8:20pm
Originally posted by M.M. M.M. wrote:

Originally posted by Seagultaf Seagultaf wrote:

According to todays WoL Jake Ball has already played his last game for the Scarlets and has departed to meet his family in Australia.
No doubt he will be missed and its a great shame the supporters didn't get the chance to say goodby.

Jake & Uzair attended a CRYS16 Zoom meeting on Monday evening where supporters had the chance to thank them in person  for their time and effort over the years. 
It was good. Unfortunately I had to leave after 30 minutes as my daughter needed a lift


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Posted By: tannerbankboy
Date Posted: 28 May 2021 at 2:25pm
There's been a lot of footage of Jake in recent days, his interview with Garan and You Tube video of him in action.  He came across very well in the interview and Dai Flanagan had nothing but praise for him for his attitude in training since his last game saying he put max effort in to helping the team and asking what he could do to help.

He will be a big loss to the squad.


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 28 May 2021 at 2:27pm
Originally posted by tannerbankboy tannerbankboy wrote:

There's been a lot of footage of Jake in recent days, his interview with Garan and You Tube video of him in action.  He came across very well in the interview and Dai Flanagan had nothing but praise for him for his attitude in training since his last game saying he put max effort in to helping the team and asking what he could do to help.

He will be a big loss to the squad.

Agreed there was a nice write up on him on the WoL. Jake was told he wouldn't play again after the Ospreys match & rather than pack his bags, he turned up on Monday for training & asked how he could assist the youngsters.


Posted By: Maple
Date Posted: 01 June 2021 at 8:16am
With most of those players having left, I would call an end to the season immediately. The Rainbow cup is a "failed" experiment.

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 01 June 2021 at 8:49am
Originally posted by Maple Maple wrote:

With most of those players having left, I would call an end to the season immediately. The Rainbow cup is a "failed" experiment.

I don't think you can call it a failed experiment. For sure some of the tinkering with rules have fallen short - but that is why you trial new things - to establish if they are workable/not. The tournament has given some much needed cash to participants, allowed the South African domestic based players much needed games prior to the Lions visit. From a Scarlets point of view our season cannot come to an end quickly enough for most supporters but we have seen the emergence of Tom Rogers as a starting 15 candidate along with Blacker continuing his improvement. Front row resources have been tested with Steffan Thomas & Kemsley Matthias showing good form, jury is out I think on Jeffries but he does appear to have improved considerably under quality coaching. 

In short a bit of a nothing tournament with only a few benefits to be seen from a Scarlet perspective but I very much doubt that the Benetton supporters would agree. 


Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 01 June 2021 at 10:31am
Originally posted by Maple Maple wrote:

With most of those players having left, I would call an end to the season immediately. The Rainbow cup is a "failed" experiment.
It was ok as a spectacle.
From our perspective it was a total failure. Should have been the opportunity to have a run of games with a settled squad but we were in chaos. 



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Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 01 June 2021 at 12:36pm
Originally posted by Maple Maple wrote:

With most of those players having left, I would call an end to the season immediately. The Rainbow cup is a "failed" experiment.
It’s made £500k per club 

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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 01 June 2021 at 1:57pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Maple Maple wrote:

With most of those players having left, I would call an end to the season immediately. The Rainbow cup is a "failed" experiment.
It’s made £500k per club 
It’s often surprising how often people forget that no money  = no club ( including me sometimes! 😉 ).

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Posted By: ScarletBear
Date Posted: 01 June 2021 at 5:40pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Maple Maple wrote:

With most of those players having left, I would call an end to the season immediately. The Rainbow cup is a "failed" experiment.
It’s made £500k per club 
It’s often surprising how often people forget that no money  = no club ( including me sometimes! 😉 ).

It drives me nuts. That's great revenue.


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Posted By: jimmywilde
Date Posted: 01 June 2021 at 8:05pm
Originally posted by ScarletBear ScarletBear wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Maple Maple wrote:

With most of those players having left, I would call an end to the season immediately. The Rainbowd cup is a "failed" experiment.
It’s made £500k per club 
It’s often surprising how often people forget that no money  = no club ( including me sometimes! 😉 ).

It drives me nuts. That's great revenue.

You are not alone.



Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 02 June 2021 at 2:02pm
It would have been more interesting with the SA clubs playing the Pro14 clubs. The fact that Treviso are top is a bit of a surprise. 


Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 02 June 2021 at 2:41pm
The concept of the tournament was really good. The timing and execution was really bad. Hoping when everything is back, we can have a good competition with the SA teams. 


Posted By: scarletsrules
Date Posted: 02 June 2021 at 3:32pm
I think the Rainbow Cup has thrown up some very high scoring exciting games , Its good to see what teams do when there isnt really any pressure on them


Posted By: turkishrebel
Date Posted: 02 June 2021 at 3:39pm
also playing the games in good conditions rather than a wet windy november/december. skill levels are better and higher scoring games

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Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 04 June 2021 at 1:50pm
Originally posted by turkishrebel turkishrebel wrote:

also playing the games in good conditions rather than a wet windy november/december. skill levels are better and higher scoring games
Careful now, thats almost suggesting summer rugby would be a good thing LOL


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Posted By: ScarletBear
Date Posted: 04 June 2021 at 1:56pm
Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

Originally posted by turkishrebel turkishrebel wrote:

also playing the games in good conditions rather than a wet windy november/december. skill levels are better and higher scoring games
Careful now, thats almost suggesting summer rugby would be a good thing LOL

Which (despite being a traditionalist in many things rugby) is what we should do. Will up our skill levels by 20% I sincerely believe.


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Posted By: SospanMawr
Date Posted: 04 June 2021 at 1:56pm
On the subject of departing players, anyone else seen the video of Jake Ball and Alun Wyn’s altercation in Welsh training a few months ago doing the rounds on WhatsApp? LOL




Posted By: turkishrebel
Date Posted: 04 June 2021 at 2:04pm
Yes I have, having an argument with few ospreys workmates, they reckon awj had 4 guys holding awj whilst jake had 1 that's why he got some good punches in.  I thought it was 3 trying to hold each of them back. 
I am 100% for playing rugby at better time of the year


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Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 04 June 2021 at 2:09pm
https://twitter.com/218events/status/1400777909669879808?s=21" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/218events/status/1400777909669879808?s=21

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Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 04 June 2021 at 2:46pm
Originally posted by ScarletBear ScarletBear wrote:

Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

Originally posted by turkishrebel turkishrebel wrote:

also playing the games in good conditions rather than a wet windy november/december. skill levels are better and higher scoring games
Careful now, thats almost suggesting summer rugby would be a good thing LOL

Which (despite being a traditionalist in many things rugby) is what we should do. Will up our skill levels by 20% I sincerely believe.

Absolutely agree.


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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 04 June 2021 at 2:46pm
Good scrap that! Happens in most teams up & down the country from time to time. 

In terms of summer rugby, it will be good for the professional game but I’m not sure it can be replicated down to grass roots level. 


Posted By: The Predator
Date Posted: 04 June 2021 at 2:56pm
Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

https://twitter.com/218events/status/1400777909669879808?s=21" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/218events/status/1400777909669879808?s=21
Jake throws harder punches than AWJ,  AWJ always came across to me as a flat track bully


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 04 June 2021 at 3:07pm
Jake landed better shots and won on points  but neither man looked  looked hurt tbh


Posted By: PTScarlet
Date Posted: 02 September 2021 at 7:04am
Jake Ball has just been announced as a signing for a Japanese team. Interesting. Thought he was heading back to Australia. Will be a nice payday for the next few years for sure. Best of luck to him.

Source - https://twitter.com/nec_gr_official/status/1433279496979836932?s=19" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/nec_gr_official/status/1433279496979836932?s=19


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Posted By: turkishrebel
Date Posted: 02 September 2021 at 7:40am
good luck to jake in japan and hope his family are all ok too. good pay packet for him and well deserved after all he has done for us and wales.
but just querying, did jake have contract time left with us and if so did we just cancel the contract?
if so shouldnt we get some sort of transfer/renumeration from the japanese team? 


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Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 02 September 2021 at 8:59am
To be fair, Japan is a country of choice for many Aus and NZ players as the travelling time isnt too bad and the timezones arent that different. Big money too, well deserved.

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Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 02 September 2021 at 10:42am
Yeah, the cynic in me says Jake didn’t have the balls to do what Cory Hill did and just say “I want to get some cash before I retire” 

But at the same time Japan is closer to Aus and a similar time zone so easier to feel closer to home and easier to go back and forth. 

Best of luck to him


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Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 02 September 2021 at 10:43am
Out of curiosity how is it that Japan can compete with France and England on salaries? Is it because their teams are offshoots of companies? Or is there a state sponsored move to put money into rugby?

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 02 September 2021 at 10:45am
Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Out of curiosity how is it that Japan can compete with France and England on salaries? Is it because their teams are offshoots of companies? Or is there a state sponsored move to put money into rugby?

All professional teams in Japan are company sponsored/owned.


Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 02 September 2021 at 11:03am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Out of curiosity how is it that Japan can compete with France and England on salaries? Is it because their teams are offshoots of companies? Or is there a state sponsored move to put money into rugby?

All professional teams in Japan are company sponsored/owned.

And are the rugby players taxed differently to “regular” employees? 

As in, I don’t really see how these corporations are paying an overseas player half a million euros to play for 3-4months a good investment


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Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 02 September 2021 at 12:02pm
Originally posted by PTScarlet PTScarlet wrote:

Jake Ball has just been announced as a signing for a Japanese team. Interesting. Thought he was heading back to Australia. Will be a nice payday for the next few years for sure. Best of luck to him.

Source - https://twitter.com/nec_gr_official/status/1433279496979836932?s=19" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/nec_gr_official/status/1433279496979836932?s=19
The Japanese season is far shorter than the European season so he’ll get to spend a lot more time with his family than if he’d stayed. Living somewhere that’s in the same time zone as Perth will make things more comfortable for him too.  



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