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Topic: New Zealand selection
Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Subject: New Zealand selection
Date Posted: 14 September 2021 at 8:58am
An interesting debate is set to take place over the next few weeks with regard to the Welsh team selection for the NZ game which, of course, falls outside the test window. Will the English Premiership change their long held stance and release English based players for the game? I do not see that happening so who will replace Biggar, Sheedy, Faletau & LRZ in the squad? 

The situation at 10 seems the most challenging & dare I say interesting with both Anscombe & Patchell starting their comebacks from long term injury issues and Rhys Priestland returning to Wales. I would imagine Jarrod Evans will one of the 3 10's named in the squad but who will accompany him and will Pivac name 4 in the squad as insurance for the NZ game? Will Sheedy be given the clear message that he is playing in the wrong country by being dropped from the squad for all 4 Autumn games with Biggar, Evans & a Welsh based 10 making the squad? 

An interesting dilemma & I would be interested in finding out what my fellow posters feel. 



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Posted By: Kentexile
Date Posted: 14 September 2021 at 3:00pm
Last season the SRU paid compensation to the English Premiership teams to secure release of players outside the international window for the rearranged. France v Scotland game 
Wales have in the past “swapped” one game in the window for a more high profile one outside to do a deal on player availability.
If this isn’t an option this time and the WRU aren’t willing to put their hands in their pockets to ensure the best team is available  for the All Blacks   then (reluctantly) my sympathy is with the Premiership teams. It is already sold out so I am not expecting things to change.


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 14 September 2021 at 4:25pm
I don’t think pivac trusts evans at ten if priestland patchell or anscombe show any form they”ll all leap frog him. Priestland looks the fave to start the nz game to me
 Biggar is a cert to be called up sheedy less so


Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 14 September 2021 at 6:40pm
Sheedy is an interesting one in that which region would bother signing him? The Dragons?

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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 15 September 2021 at 10:38am
If I were the WRU I would go all out & ask the English Clubs if we could have Biggar, LRZ, Faletau etc for this game & they can go back for the Fiji match tbh. Whether that means we pay them a little bit of cash to sweeten the deal is up to them.

The ABs are, lets face it, the Holy Grail for many players to play against & we need every one of our best players on the pitch to even stand a chance of keeping it respectable. We will be playing a side who have played for a couple of months in the RC whereas we will have had 2 weeks in camp.


Posted By: Sosban89
Date Posted: 15 September 2021 at 11:08am
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

If I were the WRU I would go all out & ask the English Clubs if we could have Biggar, LRZ, Faletau etc for this game & they can go back for the Fiji match tbh. Whether that means we pay them a little bit of cash to sweeten the deal is up to them.

The ABs are, lets face it, the Holy Grail for many players to play against & we need every one of our best players on the pitch to even stand a chance of keeping it respectable. We will be playing a side who have played for a couple of months in the RC whereas we will have had 2 weeks in camp.

I'd be pretty disappointed if we spent money to get players for what is essentially a money raising friendly. That sort of seems quite counter intuitive.


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 15 September 2021 at 12:28pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

If I were the WRU I would go all out & ask the English Clubs if we could have Biggar, LRZ, Faletau etc for this game & they can go back for the Fiji match tbh. Whether that means we pay them a little bit of cash to sweeten the deal is up to them.

The ABs are, lets face it, the Holy Grail for many players to play against & we need every one of our best players on the pitch to even stand a chance of keeping it respectable. We will be playing a side who have played for a couple of months in the RC whereas we will have had 2 weeks in camp.
The English clubs should't budge IMO, they have important Premiership games that weekend and they are their primary employer. I really wish we had an umbrella organisation like PRL in Wales.

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Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 15 September 2021 at 12:36pm
Most likely not worth the money to pay the England clubs for the release.

If Faletau, Biggar and LRZ play they’ll probably lose 38-17 instead of 45-10 without them. If that costs the WRU £50-100k for those releases what’s the point? 

Only worthwhile if there are no credible alternatives. Otherwise might as well give more exposure to Wainwright, Anscombe/Priestland and Jonah Holmes


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Posted By: Mrfwon
Date Posted: 15 September 2021 at 1:31pm
We'll get tuned if we field a patched up side due to player release. Kind of makes you wonder why the fixture was scheduled in the first place, given the International window, and it being against the All Blacks. ConfusedConfusedConfused

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Posted By: Jones2004
Date Posted: 15 September 2021 at 2:37pm
Originally posted by Mrfwon Mrfwon wrote:

We'll get tuned if we field a patched up side due to player release. Kind of makes you wonder why the fixture was scheduled in the first place, given the International window, and it being against the All Blacks. ConfusedConfusedConfused
£££££££


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 15 September 2021 at 4:25pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

If I were the WRU I would go all out & ask the English Clubs if we could have Biggar, LRZ, Faletau etc for this game & they can go back for the Fiji match tbh. Whether that means we pay them a little bit of cash to sweeten the deal is up to them.

The ABs are, lets face it, the Holy Grail for many players to play against & we need every one of our best players on the pitch to even stand a chance of keeping it respectable. We will be playing a side who have played for a couple of months in the RC whereas we will have had 2 weeks in camp.
The English clubs should't budge IMO, they have important Premiership games that weekend and they are their primary employer. I really wish we had an umbrella organisation like PRL in Wales.
but we don’t , so untill then i want to see our players with wales not english clubs, not that it matters we won’t beat the kiwis with our with out those players


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 15 September 2021 at 6:04pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

If I were the WRU I would go all out & ask the English Clubs if we could have Biggar, LRZ, Faletau etc for this game & they can go back for the Fiji match tbh. Whether that means we pay them a little bit of cash to sweeten the deal is up to them.

The ABs are, lets face it, the Holy Grail for many players to play against & we need every one of our best players on the pitch to even stand a chance of keeping it respectable. We will be playing a side who have played for a couple of months in the RC whereas we will have had 2 weeks in camp.
The English clubs should't budge IMO, they have important Premiership games that weekend and they are their primary employer. I really wish we had an umbrella organisation like PRL in Wales.
but we don’t , so untill then i want to see our players with wales not english clubs, not that it matters we won’t beat the kiwis with our with out those players
But the English clubs are what our clubs should be like in Wales. They are 100% in the right here. Good for them. 

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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 15 September 2021 at 6:10pm
That’s what they should be but it ain’t what they are. I can’t bring myself to put the needs of english club rugby above that of my national team tbh


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 15 September 2021 at 9:12pm
Can not blame English clubs not releasing welsh players if game is outside window 

See six nations tickets on sale 115 pound 


Posted By: John
Date Posted: 16 September 2021 at 1:16pm
Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Can not blame English clubs not releasing welsh players if game is outside window 

See six nations tickets on sale 115 pound 

Got to pay for the hotel. 


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 25 September 2021 at 7:47am
Given the injuries to the Blues 10s last night, we could be really struggling for a 10 against the All Blacks. 


Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 25 September 2021 at 9:26am
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Given the injuries to the Blues 10s last night, we could be really struggling for a 10 against the All Blacks. 

At this point it seems likely they’ll pay for Biggar’s release 


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Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 05 October 2021 at 6:49pm
James Corrigan,in the Telegraph,writes of this fixture-"The WRU-ination of the sport in one of its hotbeds has long been a joke,but this time it has truly surpassed itself.It has arranged the stupidest fixture ever".


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 06 October 2021 at 8:22am
Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

James Corrigan,in the Telegraph,writes of this fixture-"The WRU-ination of the sport in one of its hotbeds has long been a joke,but this time it has truly surpassed itself.It has arranged the stupidest fixture ever".

That about sums up the WRU quite nicely Dic. 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 08 October 2021 at 10:34am
Liam must be doubtful for this game to our back 3 options are fading rApidly


Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 08 October 2021 at 10:55am
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Liam must be doubtful for this game to our back 3 options are fading rApidly

Ideal fixture to blood some youngsters LOL


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Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 08 October 2021 at 11:01am
At this point. It looks like they could go Priestland with Anscombe on the bench. But as a Scarlet fan I wouldn’t be against giving Costellow a debut off the bench. 

But you’re right about Back 3 - missing halfpenny, LRZ, maybe Liam. Only 1 injury away from Amos getting a start. 

Adams, Holmes McNicholl may well be the back 3. Nothing too exciting but probably not gonna let us down.


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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 08 October 2021 at 11:13am
Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

At this point. It looks like they could go Priestland with Anscombe on the bench. But as a Scarlet fan I wouldn’t be against giving Costellow a debut off the bench. 

But you’re right about Back 3 - missing halfpenny, LRZ, maybe Liam. Only 1 injury away from Amos getting a start. 

Adams, Holmes McNicholl may well be the back 3. Nothing too exciting but probably not gonna let us down.
expect jonny to be missing sunday or next week if that is the case as wales won't to risk him.Cry


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 17 October 2021 at 9:42am
Well now that our Internationals have assembled in the Vale & based on all action over the first 4 weeks my selection for the AB's game is as follows :-

15. Johnny McNicholl 14. Owen Lane 13. Johnny Williams 12. Hahaholo 11. Adams 10. Priestland 9. Tomos
1. Wyn 2. Ken 3. Francis 4. Beard 5. AWJ 6. Moriarty 7. Ellis Jenkins 8. Wainwright

16. Dee 17. Rhodri 18. WGJ 19. Rowlands 20. Basham 21. Cawdor 22. Anscombe 23. Foxy


Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 17 October 2021 at 11:41am
Johnny has to play 12 

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 17 October 2021 at 12:53pm
Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Johnny has to play 12 

I take your point Why but I was really thinking about the Scarlets. For me he has the pace & handling ability to make a very good 13 & we have an excellent 12 in Scott. Wales are struggling big time without North at 13; Halaholo does not like 13 & Tompkins for me is no International. It is becoming sad to see Foxy struggle to patrol the wide channels which he used to own. 


Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 17 October 2021 at 1:24pm
I agree we are struggling but Johnny is our best 12 build back line around him time for Baldwin to step up at 13. 
Scott will be very important when internationals are on 


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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 17 October 2021 at 3:10pm
Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Given the injuries to the Blues 10s last night, we could be really struggling for a 10 against the All Blacks. 

At this point it seems likely they’ll pay for Biggar’s release 
absolute waste of money as it won't make a blind bit of difference to the result.



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