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Topic: URC power rankings
Posted By: London Scarlet
Subject: URC power rankings
Date Posted: 24 September 2021 at 5:38pm
Interesting to read the power rankings based on last 12 months of Pro14 games ( https://www.unitedrugby.com/latest/news/introducing-the-urcs-expected-points-xp-player-ratings" rel="nofollow - https://www.unitedrugby.com/latest/news/introducing-the-urcs-expected-points-xp-player-ratings )
This statistical analysis will start again this season. 

In the forwards, the only Scarlet who makes the top ten in any position is Blade Thomson at number #9 for position 8. 

The backs fare a bit better
Dane Blacker #2
Sam Costelow #7
Johnny Williams #4
Ryan Conbeer #5 and Tom Rogers #7
Leigh Halfpenny #5 and Johnny McNicholl #8



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Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 24 September 2021 at 6:44pm
It’s a load of nonsense as far as I can see. 


Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 24 September 2021 at 7:16pm
  Rubbish as Sione would be near the top.


Posted By: London Scarlet
Date Posted: 24 September 2021 at 8:15pm
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

It’s a load of nonsense as far as I can see. 

Lies, damned lies, and statistics?


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 24 September 2021 at 9:46pm
Originally posted by London Scarlet London Scarlet wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

It’s a load of nonsense as far as I can see. 

Lies, damned lies, and statistics?

84.5% of stats are made up. 


Posted By: Mrfwon
Date Posted: 27 September 2021 at 2:15pm
Like Top Trumps those ratings LOL

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Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 27 September 2021 at 8:42pm
I think these are pretty good. Obviously there will be outliers that will be somewhat lucky who end up having great xP but generally I think we’ll find it shows who the underrated and most consistent players are in each side.

I remember reading that Pivac dropped Steff Evans because he got turned over the most in possession, even tho he was a record try scorer, and stuff like xP might help us realise that sooner. 


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Posted By: jimmywilde
Date Posted: 27 September 2021 at 9:29pm
Load of rubbish.
Baseless.
Totally misleading.

Unless of course a Scarlet happens to be top in which case these are valid statistics based on scientific fact that cannot be questioned.


Posted By: Gate12
Date Posted: 27 September 2021 at 9:33pm
Danny care was saying on the rugby union weekly podcast that England and Leicester already use this for decisions around selection and subs.


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 28 September 2021 at 1:35pm
Originally posted by jimmywilde jimmywilde wrote:

Load of rubbish.
Baseless.
Totally misleading.

Unless of course a Scarlet happens to be top in which case these are valid statistics based on scientific fact that cannot be questioned.

Surely not. 


Posted By: London Scarlet
Date Posted: 05 October 2021 at 10:10pm
https://www.unitedrugby.com/latest/analysis-opinion/power-rankings-top-10-under-23s" rel="nofollow - https://www.unitedrugby.com/latest/analysis-opinion/power-rankings-top-10-under-23s

Costelow, Conbeer and Rogers in the top 10 under 23 players. No idea how you find these stats apart from in odd articles here and there!


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 07 October 2021 at 1:47pm
It's an interesting development... like all these things, it's an imperfect tool but gives some sort of measure - and TBF the methodology is explained. It'll probably be tweaked as time goes on.

It sounds like a rugby version of 'Moneyball', which has had some influence in other sports... and for a relatively poor region such as the Scarlets, could point the way to undervalued players we could afford to sign. Personal judgement from the coaches is still important as well, though!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moneyball" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moneyball


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Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 07 October 2021 at 2:11pm
Yeah its like a pro football focus grade for those into the NFL. Very debatable but the more metrics and stuff brought into rugby the better to be honest. 


Posted By: Sosban89
Date Posted: 07 October 2021 at 2:16pm
Rugby has always been terrible for stats. Wiki pages don't get updated, so for someone who is interested in the sport but doesn't know much, there is zero data to look at when trying to see what a player is like. Obviously a stat doesn't tell you everything, but it's very useful and interesting to most.


Posted By: London Scarlet
Date Posted: 07 October 2021 at 8:12pm
Yeah metres made can be skewed by a player who spends the whole game running back high balls rather than making gains in the opposition half. I definitely think it has some merits though, just wish I could find the stats to look at!


Posted By: Grammar School Boy
Date Posted: 09 October 2021 at 4:15pm
Not sure if correct thread but the Ospreys home loss to the Sharks was a bonus


Posted By: Grammar School Boy
Date Posted: 10 October 2021 at 1:33am
Cardiff demolished at home against the Bulls, Navidi injured again.



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