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Topic: Next Conservative leader
Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Subject: Next Conservative leader
Date Posted: 05 June 2022 at 9:10am
With Boris' grip on the keys to No 10 slowly slipping who do members think have what it takes to take over until the next general election. I think Rishi, a poster boy not long ago, is out of the running. I have heard a few names thrown around but would introduce another Tobias Ellwood.

Ellwood has shall we say an interesting past as a browse of Wikipedia will confirm. One thing which stands out for me is that he has been a consistent critic of Boris Johnson and his standards of behaviour. Of course he is no buddy of Boris' so does not owe him a cabinet post etc. Also, as a former military man, he seems to talk sense when asked his opinion on International affairs.

I look forward to hearing the views of my forum colleagues as always. 



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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 05 June 2022 at 9:33am
Mercer is my pick but elwood is v similar tbh


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 05 June 2022 at 9:41am
Not an inspiring list, I'd go for Hunt, Elwood, Wallace or Tugenhadt.

I should stress that I never have, nor will I ever vote Tory !


Posted By: Jones2004
Date Posted: 05 June 2022 at 9:45am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

With Boris' grip on the keys to No 10 slowly slipping who do members think have what it takes to take over until the next general election. I think Rishi, a poster boy not long ago, is out of the running. I have heard a few names thrown around but would introduce another Tobias Ellwood.

Ellwood has shall we say an interesting past as a browse of Wikipedia will confirm. One thing which stands out for me is that he has been a consistent critic of Boris Johnson and his standards of behaviour. Of course he is no buddy of Boris' so does not owe him a cabinet post etc. Also, as a former military man, he seems to talk sense when asked his opinion on International affairs.

I look forward to hearing the views of my forum colleagues as always. 
Ellwood has called for the UK to rejoin the single market, something wildly unpopular among the conservative members, so I don’t think he has a chance. What I do hope is that the next leader is from the ‘One Nation’ group of Tories. As much as I don’t particularly like any group of Tories they are so much better than having someone like Truss or one of the other nutters the ERG would back as leader. 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 05 June 2022 at 10:06am
Elwood wants boots on the ground in the ukraine. That’s a bit of a worry, hunt or truss seem likely?


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 05 June 2022 at 11:20am
Originally posted by Jones2004 Jones2004 wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

With Boris' grip on the keys to No 10 slowly slipping who do members think have what it takes to take over until the next general election. I think Rishi, a poster boy not long ago, is out of the running. I have heard a few names thrown around but would introduce another Tobias Ellwood.

Ellwood has shall we say an interesting past as a browse of Wikipedia will confirm. One thing which stands out for me is that he has been a consistent critic of Boris Johnson and his standards of behaviour. Of course he is no buddy of Boris' so does not owe him a cabinet post etc. Also, as a former military man, he seems to talk sense when asked his opinion on International affairs.

I look forward to hearing the views of my forum colleagues as always. 
Ellwood has called for the UK to rejoin the single market, something wildly unpopular among the conservative members, so I don’t think he has a chance. What I do hope is that the next leader is from the ‘One Nation’ group of Tories. As much as I don’t particularly like any group of Tories they are so much better than having someone like Truss or one of the other nutters the ERG would back as leader. 

I knew that Ellwood was a remainer but I thought he was on record as saying that we should not go back on that decision. 


Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 05 June 2022 at 11:30am
You do see Johnson's skill, such as it is, in that none of the cabinet are really decent candidates at all. Selecting them for loyalty rather than talent means he is not as strongly challenged as could be. It has meant the country as a whole is governed far more poorly but there you go, the Conservatives knew exactly what they were getting when they made him their leader.

Here's a scary thought... imagine Priti Patel as PM.


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 05 June 2022 at 12:21pm
Gove is v capeable just an odd bod. Patel is a genuine nasty bit of work. I’d back burnham or namdy to beat any of them but kier is 50/50


Posted By: Jones2004
Date Posted: 05 June 2022 at 1:26pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Jones2004 Jones2004 wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

With Boris' grip on the keys to No 10 slowly slipping who do members think have what it takes to take over until the next general election. I think Rishi, a poster boy not long ago, is out of the running. I have heard a few names thrown around but would introduce another Tobias Ellwood.

Ellwood has shall we say an interesting past as a browse of Wikipedia will confirm. One thing which stands out for me is that he has been a consistent critic of Boris Johnson and his standards of behaviour. Of course he is no buddy of Boris' so does not owe him a cabinet post etc. Also, as a former military man, he seems to talk sense when asked his opinion on International affairs.

I look forward to hearing the views of my forum colleagues as always. 
Ellwood has called for the UK to rejoin the single market, something wildly unpopular among the conservative members, so I don’t think he has a chance. What I do hope is that the next leader is from the ‘One Nation’ group of Tories. As much as I don’t particularly like any group of Tories they are so much better than having someone like Truss or one of the other nutters the ERG would back as leader. 
I knew that Ellwood was a remainer but I thought he was on record as saying that we should not go back on that decision. 
This is paywalled but the headline shows Ellwood wanting to rejoin the single market (said only 4 days ago). 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/06/01/britain-should-rejoin-eu-single-market-ease-cost-living-crisis/" rel="nofollow - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/06/01/britain-should-rejoin-eu-single-market-ease-cost-living-crisis/


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 05 June 2022 at 1:44pm
Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

You do see Johnson's skill, such as it is, in that none of the cabinet are really decent candidates at all. Selecting them for loyalty rather than talent means he is not as strongly challenged as could be. It has meant the country as a whole is governed far more poorly but there you go, the Conservatives knew exactly what they were getting when they made him their leader.

Here's a scary thought... imagine Priti Patel as PM.

How very dare they !


Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 05 June 2022 at 6:02pm
Patel would be a disaster for the Tory party but a gift for labour. Elwood is a sensible option and the Tory party needs to make a sensible selection following the appointment of BOJO - who to be fair provided them with a landslide win in the last GE and got Brexit through, but mostly on manifestos based on broken promises and lies.
Unfortunately for the Tory party his lack of morals and his inability to keep control of those around him is costing them dearly at the moment and is crippling the party at a time. When they need to be in full control.



Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 21 July 2022 at 9:12am
So we have a choice of someone who is going to reduce taxation immediately or someone who will do it as soon as he can. Well that is really helpful to those in society who cannot afford to eat properly and look ahead with dread to what the Autumn/winter brings. In addition our NHS and social care system is broken & guess what who suffers?????

I have personal, recent experience of trying to help our elderly neighbours who are reaching the stage where they cannot safely look after themselves. My wife met one of the social services team & explained what help we were giving them with hygiene, medication & meals which we felt should be supplied by a social care system to be told that not a lot was available due to lack of staff/resources. people all over the country are waiting hours for ambulances to arrive, thousands are being given urgent A&E treatment in ambulances in car parks which contributes to the wait for other vulnerable people & all the while we have two tory MP's who are arguing about when is the right time to cut taxes and reduce the cost of the State. 

FFS wake up and see the reality of where being one of the top 5 richest countries in the World has got us to - rampant inflation, NHS & social care system broken almost beyond repair, food bank usage at his highest level ever & we have muppets in our government who tell us we have never had it so good!!!!!

We need a government in waiting to stand up and give us some real levelling up policies at the same time spelling out the terrible truth that you cannot have World class education, NHS & social care in a society where people are living longer without paying for it. Rant over!!!!!!


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 21 July 2022 at 9:28am
The demographics will see the situation get worse as the baby boomer generation passes through the population.

The ratio of working people to retired used to be more than 1 to 1. With improved life expectancy and no great increase in the State Pension Age, I’ve seen estimates where there’s been at least 3 retirees to every 1 worker.

Admittedly, this was before many over the State Pension Age decided that it suited them to continue working, or had no choice but to do so. 

The only way that you can redress that balance when the birth rate is so low is by immigration. Being the 5th wealthiest country in the world ought to help that process, provided entry into the country isn’t impossible/close to impossibly difficult.


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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 21 July 2022 at 9:44am
Truss it is then that will be a disaster


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 21 July 2022 at 10:30am
There is a petition organised by Lord Cruddas, one of Boris' cronies and a Tory party funder, to have Boris' name on the ballot paper. The parallels with Trump are incredible. He lost an election but tried to find a way to win it. He polled over 70 million votes, how could he lose ? Conveniently forgetting of course that Hilary Clinton won more votes than Trump and lost.

Will we see Boris rise again ? Despite the fact that he's gone as PM, the Priviliges Committee must act, the investigation into the money he promised Arcuri, and the threat to national security he posed when he slipped his personal protection guys to meet the Russians in Italy MUST be investigated. Otherwise I fear that he may rise again.


Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 21 July 2022 at 11:02am
I have no faith in either.  Sunak promises not to reduce taxes immediately (when we are in the middle of a cost of living crisis) but did step down just before BOJO was voted out of office, although he will always be tarnished by serving under and supporting him for so long.
Truss comes across as someone who will say or promise just about anything to get noticed or to gain votes (bit like BOJO).  She seems happy to fire bullets at others and to stoke up tensions with other people in high office, just what you don’t need during a global cost of living crisis.
Her negotiation skills as the trade secretary weren’t up to much - pork markets with the Middle East and a deal with Australia over another meat product - both worthless, undermining the farming industry which lost so much funding as a result of brexit, and both embarrassing when you consider the Tory parties pledge to become carbon neutral by 2050.
It’s interesting see that BOJO appears to be through all his weight behind anyone but Sunak (As he had the cheek to resign, and has now started taking swipes at the treasury - the very department that he’s championed for “keeping the economy going throughout the pandemic “.
I too am a little worried that he may try and run again for leader in the future.  He, like Trump, just believes that he has a god given right to hold high office and to trash the standards and establishments that have stood for hundreds of years, on the back of the delusion that people have given them a mandate to do so.
Hopefully the parliamentary standards commission will find that he did mislead parliament (probably easier to do now that he’s no longer leader and hence no longer judge and jury), that would then mean that he would have to resign as an MP, and hopefully be banned from running again.


Posted By: Jones2004
Date Posted: 21 July 2022 at 12:44pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

So we have a choice of someone who is going to reduce taxation immediately or someone who will do it as soon as he can. Well that is really helpful to those in society who cannot afford to eat properly and look ahead with dread to what the Autumn/winter brings. In addition our NHS and social care system is broken & guess what who suffers?????

I have personal, recent experience of trying to help our elderly neighbours who are reaching the stage where they cannot safely look after themselves. My wife met one of the social services team & explained what help we were giving them with hygiene, medication & meals which we felt should be supplied by a social care system to be told that not a lot was available due to lack of staff/resources. people all over the country are waiting hours for ambulances to arrive, thousands are being given urgent A&E treatment in ambulances in car parks which contributes to the wait for other vulnerable people & all the while we have two tory MP's who are arguing about when is the right time to cut taxes and reduce the cost of the State. 

FFS wake up and see the reality of where being one of the top 5 richest countries in the World has got us to - rampant inflation, NHS & social care system broken almost beyond repair, food bank usage at his highest level ever & we have muppets in our government who tell us we have never had it so good!!!!!

We need a government in waiting to stand up and give us some real levelling up policies at the same time spelling out the terrible truth that you cannot have World class education, NHS & social care in a society where people are living longer without paying for it. Rant over!!!!!!
Social care is probably the biggest problem the country faces, but only a minority of the country has to deal with it and so politicians (including the last Labour government) have decided that it’s easier to do nothing about it. However it has become steadily worse over the last decade and has now reached crisis point. The problems with social care are also heavily impacting the NHS (as people can’t be discharged from hospitals as there are no carers available), and contributing to the shocking waiting list and A&E response times. While money won’t solve everything it’s blindingly obvious that enough of it will solve most problems (if carers are paid less than Amazon workers why would someone become a carer). There’s a real debate to be had about if it’s fair to tax the young more to fund the social care of the elderly, or if some type of inheritance / wealth tax, or higher taxes on private pensions, are fairer (and realistic) ways of paying for it. However to pretend that tax cuts is what we need is absurd. We need tax rises to fund increased social care - what taxes need to rise is what Sunak and Truss should be debating. 
It should also be noted that while the Tories talk about tax cuts growing the economy, sorting social care would probably have a much greater economic impact. How many hours of work are lost each year because people (mostly women) have to care for their elderly parents? Getting carers to care, and allowing the children of elderly people to work would have a much greater economic impact than any tax cuts. And yet this government won’t do a thing because of ‘small state’. The unbelievable thing however is that Labour has no real alternative plan (or at least haven’t actually said what their plan is). 


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 21 July 2022 at 1:52pm
Originally posted by Jones2004 Jones2004 wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

So we have a choice of someone who is going to reduce taxation immediately or someone who will do it as soon as he can. Well that is really helpful to those in society who cannot afford to eat properly and look ahead with dread to what the Autumn/winter brings. In addition our NHS and social care system is broken & guess what who suffers?????

I have personal, recent experience of trying to help our elderly neighbours who are reaching the stage where they cannot safely look after themselves. My wife met one of the social services team & explained what help we were giving them with hygiene, medication & meals which we felt should be supplied by a social care system to be told that not a lot was available due to lack of staff/resources. people all over the country are waiting hours for ambulances to arrive, thousands are being given urgent A&E treatment in ambulances in car parks which contributes to the wait for other vulnerable people & all the while we have two tory MP's who are arguing about when is the right time to cut taxes and reduce the cost of the State. 

FFS wake up and see the reality of where being one of the top 5 richest countries in the World has got us to - rampant inflation, NHS & social care system broken almost beyond repair, food bank usage at his highest level ever & we have muppets in our government who tell us we have never had it so good!!!!!

We need a government in waiting to stand up and give us some real levelling up policies at the same time spelling out the terrible truth that you cannot have World class education, NHS & social care in a society where people are living longer without paying for it. Rant over!!!!!!
Social care is probably the biggest problem the country faces, but only a minority of the country has to deal with it and so politicians (including the last Labour government) have decided that it’s easier to do nothing about it. However it has become steadily worse over the last decade and has now reached crisis point. The problems with social care are also heavily impacting the NHS (as people can’t be discharged from hospitals as there are no carers available), and contributing to the shocking waiting list and A&E response times. While money won’t solve everything it’s blindingly obvious that enough of it will solve most problems (if carers are paid less than Amazon workers why would someone become a carer). There’s a real debate to be had about if it’s fair to tax the young more to fund the social care of the elderly, or if some type of inheritance / wealth tax, or higher taxes on private pensions, are fairer (and realistic) ways of paying for it. However to pretend that tax cuts is what we need is absurd. We need tax rises to fund increased social care - what taxes need to rise is what Sunak and Truss should be debating. 
It should also be noted that while the Tories talk about tax cuts growing the economy, sorting social care would probably have a much greater economic impact. How many hours of work are lost each year because people (mostly women) have to care for their elderly parents? Getting carers to care, and allowing the children of elderly people to work would have a much greater economic impact than any tax cuts. And yet this government won’t do a thing because of ‘small state’. The unbelievable thing however is that Labour has no real alternative plan (or at least haven’t actually said what their plan is). 

I agree with much of what you say however, 

1. pay for carers needs to rise so that we can recruit more. Perhaps we need to allow some level of immigration so that we can recruit outside of the UK. Many carers have repatriated as a result of Brexit. 

2. I'm not sure that I agree with tax rises, or atleast we must very v=careful where that money is raised. Many face th eat/heat quandary, and whilst we don't necessarily need heat at the moment, that need will return, so to speak, when the winteer arrives. There is also, by all accounts, going to be another hike in energy prices before the next winter.

3. Long term, we really must invest in nurses doctors and health care workers generally. 'The wealth of an economy depends on the health of its workers'. The Tories are still blaming Labour on this one. It will be a shock to some tories when they realise that they have been in power for the last 12 years. It takes about 3/4 years to recruit and train a nurse, and about 5/6 years to train and recruit a doctor. So in 12 years they could have trained 2 doctors and 3/4 nurses. (You get my drift).

4. As many have pointed out, we have inflation and pay for workers has been realatively low for a number of years. So this particular round of inflation has not been wage led it seems. 




Posted By: Jones2004
Date Posted: 21 July 2022 at 4:11pm
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by Jones2004 Jones2004 wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

So we have a choice of someone who is going to reduce taxation immediately or someone who will do it as soon as he can. Well that is really helpful to those in society who cannot afford to eat properly and look ahead with dread to what the Autumn/winter brings. In addition our NHS and social care system is broken & guess what who suffers?????

I have personal, recent experience of trying to help our elderly neighbours who are reaching the stage where they cannot safely look after themselves. My wife met one of the social services team & explained what help we were giving them with hygiene, medication & meals which we felt should be supplied by a social care system to be told that not a lot was available due to lack of staff/resources. people all over the country are waiting hours for ambulances to arrive, thousands are being given urgent A&E treatment in ambulances in car parks which contributes to the wait for other vulnerable people & all the while we have two tory MP's who are arguing about when is the right time to cut taxes and reduce the cost of the State. 

FFS wake up and see the reality of where being one of the top 5 richest countries in the World has got us to - rampant inflation, NHS & social care system broken almost beyond repair, food bank usage at his highest level ever & we have muppets in our government who tell us we have never had it so good!!!!!

We need a government in waiting to stand up and give us some real levelling up policies at the same time spelling out the terrible truth that you cannot have World class education, NHS & social care in a society where people are living longer without paying for it. Rant over!!!!!!
Social care is probably the biggest problem the country faces, but only a minority of the country has to deal with it and so politicians (including the last Labour government) have decided that it’s easier to do nothing about it. However it has become steadily worse over the last decade and has now reached crisis point. The problems with social care are also heavily impacting the NHS (as people can’t be discharged from hospitals as there are no carers available), and contributing to the shocking waiting list and A&E response times. While money won’t solve everything it’s blindingly obvious that enough of it will solve most problems (if carers are paid less than Amazon workers why would someone become a carer). There’s a real debate to be had about if it’s fair to tax the young more to fund the social care of the elderly, or if some type of inheritance / wealth tax, or higher taxes on private pensions, are fairer (and realistic) ways of paying for it. However to pretend that tax cuts is what we need is absurd. We need tax rises to fund increased social care - what taxes need to rise is what Sunak and Truss should be debating. 
It should also be noted that while the Tories talk about tax cuts growing the economy, sorting social care would probably have a much greater economic impact. How many hours of work are lost each year because people (mostly women) have to care for their elderly parents? Getting carers to care, and allowing the children of elderly people to work would have a much greater economic impact than any tax cuts. And yet this government won’t do a thing because of ‘small state’. The unbelievable thing however is that Labour has no real alternative plan (or at least haven’t actually said what their plan is). 

I agree with much of what you say however, 

1. pay for carers needs to rise so that we can recruit more. Perhaps we need to allow some level of immigration so that we can recruit outside of the UK. Many carers have repatriated as a result of Brexit. 

2. I'm not sure that I agree with tax rises, or atleast we must very v=careful where that money is raised. Many face th eat/heat quandary, and whilst we don't necessarily need heat at the moment, that need will return, so to speak, when the winteer arrives. There is also, by all accounts, going to be another hike in energy prices before the next winter.

3. Long term, we really must invest in nurses doctors and health care workers generally. 'The wealth of an economy depends on the health of its workers'. The Tories are still blaming Labour on this one. It will be a shock to some tories when they realise that they have been in power for the last 12 years. It takes about 3/4 years to recruit and train a nurse, and about 5/6 years to train and recruit a doctor. So in 12 years they could have trained 2 doctors and 3/4 nurses. (You get my drift).

4. As many have pointed out, we have inflation and pay for workers has been realatively low for a number of years. So this particular round of inflation has not been wage led it seems. 
I’ll reply to your points in the order you made them:

1 - absolutely agree that carers pay needs to increase (that’s why I made the point about them being able to earn more at Amazon), but to do that you have to have either more money in the system, or less carers. Clearly there’s already too few carers so more money needs to be poured into the care system. Of course allowing immigration is part of the solution, but we can’t rely on just that. 

2 - I’ve explained in point 1 why I think more money needs to go into the care system, but to do that you either need more government borrowing or higher taxes. I think government borrowing should only be done either to invest, or for one off events (such as covid). Therefore the only other way to achieve a pay rise for carers would be increasing taxes. Clearly they should be increased in a way that targets high earners, and not those who are struggling with increased energy bills. 

3 - Absolutely that should be done, and should’ve been done over the last decade. However training doctors and nurses takes time, and won’t solve the current backlog. Training care workers takes a lot less time, and could make a substantial difference to the amount of time it takes to clear the current NHS backlog. 

4 - Completely agree. 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 21 July 2022 at 5:44pm
The only way to sort is to go full logan run! Adios folks was nice knowing youWink


Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 25 July 2022 at 7:50pm
I think I agree with Sunak that we probably shouldn’t cut taxes before sorting out inflation. 

I have asked friends how cutting taxes (AKA giving working people more money per month) would help limit impact inflation and no one can give me a good explanation how it would - anyone on here want to help me out?

I get the sense that Liz Truss is a nutter and one of those really annoying Tories who can rile up her crowd and her base but is actually a bit of a moron.

I tend to disagree with posters on here as to what the biggest problem is and I’d say it’s U.K. wide productivity - and I think the biggest barriers to that are Housing supply, specifically in the South East of England, and low fertility/population growth. 

I don’t think the country wants more mass migration (at least enough of the population that votes doesn’t) and fertility policies don’t seem to work without a mass rediscovery of an old religion.

What I’m saying is Sunak or Truss need to build some houses in Surrey or everyone will have to become Mormons.


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Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 25 July 2022 at 8:13pm
Sunak would be the youngest PM since 1812

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Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 25 July 2022 at 8:43pm
BBC 1 Tonight 9PM our next prime minister debate with our two candidates 


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 26 July 2022 at 2:39pm
Don't let them pull the same trick as before - the Tory party will cut taxes for the rich, but refuse to do anything (much) to help the lower paid.

"Levelling up"? You could have fooled me - "levelling down" is what it looks like on the ground.

Politics these days seems all about slogans, not policies. Empty words.


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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 26 July 2022 at 3:34pm
In other news: a Welsh wine importer has moved to... France!

Daniel Lambert, who supplies Marks & Spencer, Waitrose and 300 independent retailers, is moving to Montpellier in  https://www.theguardian.com/world/france" rel="nofollow - France  later this week with his wife and two teenage children.

There he will set up a French company to export back to his own company in Wales.

He said the only way he could get around the “incredibly complicated” paperwork for importing alcohol was to establish a French company to export into the UK, and do the administration in the EU himself....

“It is absolutely incredible that in the 21st century people are being, in effect, barred from importing from Europe unless they pay brokers lots of money,” he said.

He described the UK government’s claims that Brexit was done as “fatuous”, as many small- to medium-sized businesses could not cope with trade barriers that now exist for anyone trading with Europe.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/26/british-wine-wholesaler-leave-uk-over-post-brexit-paperwork" rel="nofollow - https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/26/british-wine-wholesaler-leave-uk-over-post-brexit-paperwork



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Posted By: salmidach
Date Posted: 26 July 2022 at 3:38pm
Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

I think I agree with Sunak that we probably shouldn’t cut taxes before sorting out inflation. 

I have asked friends how cutting taxes (AKA giving working people more money per month) would help limit impact inflation and no one can give me a good explanation how it would - anyone on here want to help me out?

I get the sense that Liz Truss is a nutter and one of those really annoying Tories who can rile up her crowd and her base but is actually a bit of a moron.

I tend to disagree with posters on here as to what the biggest problem is and I’d say it’s U.K. wide productivity - and I think the biggest barriers to that are Housing supply, specifically in the South East of England, and low fertility/population growth. 

I don’t think the country wants more mass migration (at least enough of the population that votes doesn’t) and fertility policies don’t seem to work without a mass rediscovery of an old religion.

What I’m saying is Sunak or Truss need to build some houses in Surrey or everyone will have to become Mormons.

Cutting VAT by 5% will not increase inflation as it cuts all products across the board.


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Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 26 July 2022 at 7:47pm
Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

I have asked friends how cutting taxes (AKA giving working people more money per month) would help limit impact inflation and no one can give me a good explanation how it would

Cutting VAT by 5% will not increase inflation as it cuts all products across the board.

So thinking there is that with everyone having to spend a decent chunk of their money on energy soon, they then won’t be able to spend that on other parts of the economy cause it’s going on a fixed cost - so reducing VAT would help people continue spending money out and about and offset the reduction that will likely happen anyway. 

Sounds plausible. 

I guess the definition of VAT is that these things aren’t essential so would be a weird place to start but I sort of understand the logic.


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Posted By: salmidach
Date Posted: 28 July 2022 at 12:07pm
Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

I have asked friends how cutting taxes (AKA giving working people more money per month) would help limit impact inflation and no one can give me a good explanation how it would

Cutting VAT by 5% will not increase inflation as it cuts all products across the board.

So thinking there is that with everyone having to spend a decent chunk of their money on energy soon, they then won’t be able to spend that on other parts of the economy cause it’s going on a fixed cost - so reducing VAT would help people continue spending money out and about and offset the reduction that will likely happen anyway. 

Sounds plausible. 

I guess the definition of VAT is that these things aren’t essential so would be a weird place to start but I sort of understand the logic.

I'm pretty sure that energy and most foods are essential....


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Posted By: salmidach
Date Posted: 28 July 2022 at 12:13pm
Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

Originally posted by dyniol53 dyniol53 wrote:

I have asked friends how cutting taxes (AKA giving working people more money per month) would help limit impact inflation and no one can give me a good explanation how it would

Cutting VAT by 5% will not increase inflation as it cuts all products across the board.

So thinking there is that with everyone having to spend a decent chunk of their money on energy soon, they then won’t be able to spend that on other parts of the economy cause it’s going on a fixed cost - so reducing VAT would help people continue spending money out and about and offset the reduction that will likely happen anyway. 

Sounds plausible. 

I guess the definition of VAT is that these things aren’t essential so would be a weird place to start but I sort of understand the logic.

I'm pretty sure that energy and most foods are essential....

the majority of food that we buy in supermarkets is VAT free. but the process of production and delivery isn't so the prices go up because of this.

By making an overall cut of 5% on VAT it will reduce overheads, thus reducing the cost of foods.

To beat inflation we need to have more money in our pockets to stave off recession. 

I can't stand Truss (or Sunak for that matter), but she is right on this. we need to spend our way out of recession. There's been that old age line of thinking, the best time to invest is when growth is slowing as it produces more growth.


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Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 03 August 2022 at 7:44pm
So we are down to 2 candidates, one who has stated that we can’t afford tax cuts and public sector pay rises close to the inflation rate and another who is promising everything but without any clear vision of where these promises will come from and how we will fund them, she’s already had to do a u-turn on one of her key promises.
We are doomed either way.


Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 03 August 2022 at 10:43pm
Truss is Johnson 2 1/2: The smell of cheese.


Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 04 August 2022 at 12:01pm
And did Truss actually say that Brexit had caused no disruption? 

Even Rees-Mogg admitted he can sometimes acknowledge reality.

I just don't really understand why they aren't held to account for their blatant lying. I hoped it would end with Johnson but how naive I was and we are now looking at the realistic possibility of someone just as bad.

Their whole Thatcher-worshipping cult is just weird and I also look forward to their next wave of imagined enemies who they steer everyone to blame for their own failings. The EU, the French, the poor, the woke, intellectuals (I can see why they dislike these in particular), the Russians, the Chinese... 


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 04 August 2022 at 12:08pm
Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

And did Truss actually say that Brexit had caused no disruption? 

Even Rees-Mogg admitted he can sometimes acknowledge reality.

I just don't really understand why they aren't held to account for their blatant lying. I hoped it would end with Johnson but how naive I was and we are now looking at the realistic possibility of someone just as bad.

Their whole Thatcher-worshipping cult is just weird and I also look forward to their next wave of imagined enemies who they steer everyone to blame for their own failings. The EU, the French, the poor, the woke, intellectuals (I can see why they dislike these in particular), the Russians, the Chinese... 

Its not about reality in general Dr M its all about their current reality. Currently it satisfies both candidates to appeal to the grass roots members who Margaret Thatcher remains by a very long way the most popular leader since the war. The blue rinse, Kent brigade as I "lovingly" refer to them. 


Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 04 August 2022 at 11:12pm
Truss tonight claims that a recession isn’t a forgone conclusion, she must have some amazing plan up her sleeve if she thinks that the Bank of England’s prediction can be proven wrong.
Nearly every other nation in the world is claiming that they are heading into a recession but it’s not inevitable that Britain is according to good old Liz Truss.
The Bank of England raised interest rates yesterday, and that will affect people who have mortgages and are already struggling with paying for their energy and heating.
I really feel for the younger generation who are maybe trying to move onto the property ladder or have just taken that leap in the past 12 months or so.  As things stand, we could be heading back to the eighties when people were just about able to pay off the interest of the borrowing let alone pay off the money borrowed.  I see lots of repossessions over the next 12  months or so as people really struggle.


Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 05 August 2022 at 12:08am
Honestly think Truss might be the last Tory PM 

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Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 05 August 2022 at 7:36am
I’d take that as a side effect of the past 12 years of austerity and underinvestment in anything that benefits anyone other than the wealthy, and 18 months of sleaze and corruption under BOJO.
Unfortunately though, having the Tories in power for another 2 years can cause the country a huge amount of hurt (financially).


Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 05 August 2022 at 8:06am
Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

Truss tonight claims that a recession isn’t a forgone conclusion, she must have some amazing plan up her sleeve if she thinks that the Bank of England’s prediction can be proven wrong.
Nearly every other nation in the world is claiming that they are heading into a recession but it’s not inevitable that Britain is according to good old Liz Truss.
The Bank of England raised interest rates yesterday, and that will affect people who have mortgages and are already struggling with paying for their energy and heating.
I really feel for the younger generation who are maybe trying to move onto the property ladder or have just taken that leap in the past 12 months or so.  As things stand, we could be heading back to the eighties when people were just about able to pay off the interest of the borrowing let alone pay off the money borrowed.  I see lots of repossessions over the next 12  months or so as people really struggle.

They're just so uncaring. Their route to power is to whip up fear and anger and put enough low income people off voting in the first place. With backing from the Mail and Sun able to cast opposition in the worst light and also skim over their own lies, hypocrisy and corruption. Things do change but the understandable attitude of "they're all the same" or "there's no point in voting" and public apathy is exactly what they want and have likely actively fostered.

I'd never heard the phrase gaslighting until Johnson's Government which says something. 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 05 August 2022 at 10:58am
Thought sunak spoke sense truss is worse than bojo a feat in it”s selfWink


Posted By: Jones2004
Date Posted: 05 August 2022 at 11:57am
Odd to see honesty from a Tory, but here is Sunak admitting that the Tories moved money from poorer areas to richer (Tory voting) areas. Unbelievable that he actually thought it a good thing to say in front of cameras. If Labour can’t make an attack ad from this, then they’re more incompetent than I thought!
https://twitter.com/rewearmouth/status/1555475661917421568?s=21&t=fqzO_NfciZvHcSU-Jr3uTQ" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/rewearmouth/status/1555475661917421568?s=21&t=fqzO_NfciZvHcSU-Jr3uTQ


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 05 August 2022 at 7:02pm
Starmer found to have broken the MP code of conduct 8 times. 


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 05 August 2022 at 9:46pm
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Starmer found to have broken the MP code of conduct 8 times. 
Which makes him a saint in comparison to the Tories

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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 05 August 2022 at 11:02pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Starmer found to have broken the MP code of conduct 8 times. 
Which makes him a saint in comparison to the Tories
that”s ok thenWink


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 05 August 2022 at 11:04pm
Originally posted by Jones2004 Jones2004 wrote:

Odd to see honesty from a Tory, but here is Sunak admitting that the Tories moved money from poorer areas to richer (Tory voting) areas. Unbelievable that he actually thought it a good thing to say in front of cameras. If Labour can’t make an attack ad from this, then they’re more incompetent than I thought!
https://twitter.com/rewearmouth/status/1555475661917421568?s=21&t=fqzO_NfciZvHcSU-Jr3uTQ" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/rewearmouth/status/1555475661917421568?s=21&t=fqzO_NfciZvHcSU-Jr3uTQ
genuine q why should urban areas in city’s like london , machester etc with huge resources 
 and employment options get more funding than places like pontyberem?? It’s shocking how cardiff centruc the wa is tbh. We should all get a fair share not just urban city centres


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 06 August 2022 at 10:35am
Hows the welsh economy looking ? Is the WAG still running our only airport into the ground?

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Posted By: Jones2004
Date Posted: 06 August 2022 at 1:24pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Jones2004 Jones2004 wrote:

Odd to see honesty from a Tory, but here is Sunak admitting that the Tories moved money from poorer areas to richer (Tory voting) areas. Unbelievable that he actually thought it a good thing to say in front of cameras. If Labour can’t make an attack ad from this, then they’re more incompetent than I thought!
https://twitter.com/rewearmouth/status/1555475661917421568?s=21&t=fqzO_NfciZvHcSU-Jr3uTQ" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/rewearmouth/status/1555475661917421568?s=21&t=fqzO_NfciZvHcSU-Jr3uTQ
genuine q why should urban areas in city’s like london , machester etc with huge resources 
 and employment options get more funding than places like pontyberem?? It’s shocking how cardiff centruc the wa is tbh. We should all get a fair share not just urban city centres
The key word in what Sunak said was “deprived urban areas”. There clearly is a lot of wealth in cities, but some parts of inner city London have the highest level of child poverty anywhere in the country. Had Sunak said he was taking money from ‘wealthy urban areas’ to poorer towns / rural areas then that would be fair enough - and should be encouraged. But that isn’t what he said. He said he was moving money from deprived urban areas to “areas like this” - referring to a wealthy constituency in the shires. That, in my opinion, is despicable. 


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 06 August 2022 at 9:32pm
Not many votes for the Tories in deprived urban areas like!!!! 


Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 07 August 2022 at 6:16pm
So Liz Truss is now saying that on top of un-funded tax cuts she isn’t ruling out more social funding support to help the most financially disadvantaged.  This woman changes her mind and her PM candidacy manifesto on a daily basis, even Kay Burley asked her for the real Liz Truss to please stand up - as she is known for u- turning on nearly every political decision she makes.
That is a big concern going forward, if she can change direction so quickly then she could do the same as soon as she is elected (if she is successful).
She will promise just about anything to gain the support of the 150k members of the Tory party, who have the power to unleash her on us all.
As it has already been mentioned, she is like BOJO reincarnated, promise the earth and deliver very little.


Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 07 August 2022 at 8:44pm
Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

As it has already been mentioned, she is like BOJO reincarnated, promise the earth and deliver very little.

Literally a pound shop Boris. Likes a photo op, will wave the flag and shout “believe in Britain” and then completely fudge it when any difficult decisions need making.

At least Boris Johnson could crack a joke. Her idea of charisma is dressing up in a Thatcher costume.


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Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 08 August 2022 at 11:46am
Let’s be honest, there isn’t a single politician in the country that people wouldn’t say is another Boris if they run for pm. It’s a no win situation if you’re not a Tory. 


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 09 August 2022 at 2:41pm
Both candidates are basically trying to appeal to the Tory membership - mainly wealthy men who live in SE England.

It's obvious that what 'most' people want would include these:
1. help with fuel bills (eg capping the increases, maybe)
2. improved public services (NHS, education, transport)

It's also obvious that 'cutting taxes' is far more useful to the wealthy than to average earners and below, so that is of no use to most voters - but it may appeal to the Tory members.

So, basically, we ought to be having a general election where matters of concern to most of us could be debated between the parties - but that isn't what's on offer.


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 09 August 2022 at 3:32pm
Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Both candidates are basically trying to appeal to the Tory membership - mainly wealthy men who live in SE England.

It's obvious that what 'most' people want would include these:
1. help with fuel bills (eg capping the increases, maybe)
2. improved public services (NHS, education, transport)

It's also obvious that 'cutting taxes' is far more useful to the wealthy than to average earners and below, so that is of no use to most voters - but it may appeal to the Tory members.

So, basically, we ought to be having a general election where matters of concern to most of us could be debated between the parties - but that isn't what's on offer.

Totally agree. Anytime a Tory leader is forced from office due to losing the support of his MP's we should have a general election. However that may be far too simplistic as most of the Tory MP's do not the scruples to risk losing their cushy £80K per annum regardless of how much of a liar the PM is. 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 09 August 2022 at 4:38pm
Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Both candidates are basically trying to appeal to the Tory membership - mainly wealthy men who live in SE England.

It's obvious that what 'most' people want would include these:
1. help with fuel bills (eg capping the increases, maybe)
2. improved public services (NHS, education, transport)

It's also obvious that 'cutting taxes' is far more useful to the wealthy than to average earners and below, so that is of no use to most voters - but it may appeal to the Tory members.

So, basically, we ought to be having a general election where matters of concern to most of us could be debated between the parties - but that isn't what's on offer.
we had a ge the torys won at a canter we don’t have a presidental election system, we want improved transport we have a wa that voted down the m4 relief road i suggest you direct you ire closer to home


Posted By: salmidach
Date Posted: 10 August 2022 at 11:09am
the issue is the unwritten constitution.

whilst the rhetoric is we vote for our local MP, we really don't though. We vote for who we think would be better leading the country. GE's are all about the popularity of the leaders. I'd say that the majority of voters are dumb and lazy. not many would read the manifestos, most would never interact with their local MP. A lot would just look at the party name and logo and put a cross in that box for how they are feeling at the time of voting...

So IMO we definitely need a GE, because Truss will be the next PM voted by 0.001% of the population or 0.002% of people of voting age...


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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 10 August 2022 at 1:01pm
Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

the issue is the unwritten constitution.

whilst the rhetoric is we vote for our local MP, we really don't though. We vote for who we think would be better leading the country. GE's are all about the popularity of the leaders. I'd say that the majority of voters are dumb and lazy. not many would read the manifestos, most would never interact with their local MP. A lot would just look at the party name and logo and put a cross in that box for how they are feeling at the time of voting...

So IMO we definitely need a GE, because Truss will be the next PM voted by 0.001% of the population or 0.002% of people of voting age...
Also, it can’t be good selecting from a field of candidates where any cabinet member has been there primarily because they’ve been yes people to Boris and abilities weren’t really that much of a factor.



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Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 10 August 2022 at 2:27pm
Where the he'll is Labour and Kier Starmer?  They should be all over the tories making easy political hay.  Not on telly not in the papers not on social media.  They are no longer the Labour Party more like Lazy party.
Are they all on holidays at the same time?  They should have rostered their top shadow ministers so the there’s  at least two available for interviews and comment.
I am in despair at the state of British governance.



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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 10 August 2022 at 2:51pm
Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

the issue is the unwritten constitution.

whilst the rhetoric is we vote for our local MP, we really don't though. We vote for who we think would be better leading the country. GE's are all about the popularity of the leaders. I'd say that the majority of voters are dumb and lazy. not many would read the manifestos, most would never interact with their local MP. A lot would just look at the party name and logo and put a cross in that box for how they are feeling at the time of voting...

So IMO we definitely need a GE, because Truss will be the next PM voted by 0.001% of the population or 0.002% of people of voting age...
we didnt have a  instant ge when brown replaced blair or may cameron l or major from thatcher did we? The tory party had a massive majority the leader of any party is elected by the members. This per centage of the people stuff etc has never and will never apply to ekecting party leaders. 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 10 August 2022 at 3:21pm
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Where the he'll is Labour and Kier Starmer?  They should be all over the tories making easy political hay.  Not on telly not in the papers not on social media.  They are no longer the Labour Party more like Lazy party.
Are they all on holidays at the same time?  They should have rostered their top shadow ministers so the there’s  at least two available for interviews and comment.
I am in despair at the state of British governance.

all on hols! It is a shambles. Boris has basically downed tools to, all useless


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 10 August 2022 at 3:27pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Where the he'll is Labour and Kier Starmer?  They should be all over the tories making easy political hay.  Not on telly not in the papers not on social media.  They are no longer the Labour Party more like Lazy party.
Are they all on holidays at the same time?  They should have rostered their top shadow ministers so the there’s  at least two available for interviews and comment.
I am in despair at the state of British governance.

all on hols! It is a shambles. Boris has basically downed tools to, all useless
have a look at GMB this morning and see the contrast in attitude's to the crisis between james cleverly and martin lewis.Angry


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 11 August 2022 at 11:28am
Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Both candidates are basically trying to appeal to the Tory membership - mainly wealthy men who live in SE England.

It's obvious that what 'most' people want would include these:
1. help with fuel bills (eg capping the increases, maybe)
2. improved public services (NHS, education, transport)

It's also obvious that 'cutting taxes' is far more useful to the wealthy than to average earners and below, so that is of no use to most voters - but it may appeal to the Tory members.

So, basically, we ought to be having a general election where matters of concern to most of us could be debated between the parties - but that isn't what's on offer.

Dont forget sme's most of whom were wiped out by the pandemic....whilst the corporate behemoths grew ever larger.....politicians on all sides dont mention sme's anymore....Yet theyre the biggest empoyers in the country and pay far more proportionally to the treasury and councils in licenses, taxes and so on than the big sharks  


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Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 11 August 2022 at 6:23pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

the issue is the unwritten constitution.

whilst the rhetoric is we vote for our local MP, we really don't though. We vote for who we think would be better leading the country. GE's are all about the popularity of the leaders. I'd say that the majority of voters are dumb and lazy. not many would read the manifestos, most would never interact with their local MP. A lot would just look at the party name and logo and put a cross in that box for how they are feeling at the time of voting...

So IMO we definitely need a GE, because Truss will be the next PM voted by 0.001% of the population or 0.002% of people of voting age...
we didnt have a  instant ge when brown replaced blair or may cameron l or major from thatcher did we? The tory party had a massive majority the leader of any party is elected by the members. This per centage of the people stuff etc has never and will never apply to ekecting party leaders. 


The difference with those leadership campaigns was that they were taking place solely for political party reasons and when the country was in a fairly stable position, so there is no comparison with right now. 
We have had 6 month of save top dog politics, whilst the nation falls/sleepwalks into its biggest recession/financial crisis in almost 70 years.  We have a PM who has now had all powers relinquished so no one is able to make any decisions right now (over financial support for the most needy).  By the time the next PM is elected it will be too late for most of the people struggling at the moment.


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 11 August 2022 at 7:45pm
Truss has pronised all sorts of goodies hasn’t she? Rest assured we we won’t be getting a snap ge so pointless getting worked up about it, even kier can’t lose the next election to this lot!


Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 12 August 2022 at 1:00pm
So Liz Truss has gone public about not wanting to issue any more windfall taxes on energy companies, the very energy companies who have made even greater profits in the past 2 months than they did before Sunak taxed them (whilst chancellor following pressure to do so by labour and the Lib Dems).
She declared that profit should not be seen as greed or a dirty word, but when millions are seeing their hard earned wages going on just surviving it’s completely insensitive to say such things and to rule out taxing the profits they are making from this energy crisis.


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 12 August 2022 at 2:14pm
The energy companys are making a fortune just wait untill winter hits, grim times ahead


Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 12 August 2022 at 7:01pm
Truss would be a laugh as PM, she actually could be worse than Johnson. 

Simultaneously criticising the civil service for being woke and having rising anti-semitism (no evidence for either but an amusing paradox), likening the Jewish faith as inherently Conservative (a weird generalisation), having to back track on her own press releases as "misunderstood", she will say literally anything to get votes. Her actual policies are as empty as her head.


Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 13 August 2022 at 12:39am
I couldn’t agree more, she is a worse option for the country than Boris Johnson (I can’t believe that we are saying that).
She hasn’t got the swagger, confidence and electability of Johnson, and as a result will not be able to command the amount of support he got from his ministers, she will be a sitting duck for the Tory party as soon as she messes up.
She appears to look more like M Thatcher every time she takes to the stage, she dresses like her and it will only be a matter of time before she starts using her quotes, there is nothing original in her or her policies.


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 13 August 2022 at 1:35am
Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

So Liz Truss has gone public about not wanting to issue any more windfall taxes on energy companies, the very energy companies who have made even greater profits in the past 2 months than they did before Sunak taxed them (whilst chancellor following pressure to do so by labour and the Lib Dems).
She declared that profit should not be seen as greed or a dirty word, but when millions are seeing their hard earned wages going on just surviving it’s completely insensitive to say such things and to rule out taxing the profits they are making from this energy crisis.

Truss defending the poor energy monoplies against the criticism of the masses in fuel poverty sums up the horrendous status quo...The way they mis use to language to describe this as some kind of free market competition? These are monopolies who pay less as a percentage in tax than average joe....Appalling morally bankrupt politicians paid off by corporate lobbyists  profiteering to line each others grubby pockets....The truth is energy / utilities should have ever been privatised. Same with BT too....How can they call that it healthy competition when they own all the phone lines?  


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Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 13 August 2022 at 11:50am
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

So Liz Truss has gone public about not wanting to issue any more windfall taxes on energy companies, the very energy companies who have made even greater profits in the past 2 months than they did before Sunak taxed them (whilst chancellor following pressure to do so by labour and the Lib Dems).
She declared that profit should not be seen as greed or a dirty word, but when millions are seeing their hard earned wages going on just surviving it’s completely insensitive to say such things and to rule out taxing the profits they are making from this energy crisis.

Truss defending the poor energy monoplies against the criticism of the masses in fuel poverty sums up the horrendous status quo...The way they mis use to language to describe this as some kind of free market competition? These are monopolies who pay less as a percentage in tax than average joe....Appalling morally bankrupt politicians paid off by corporate lobbyists  profiteering to line each others grubby pockets....The truth is energy / utilities should have ever been privatised. Same with BT too....How can they call that it healthy competition when they own all the phone lines?  

Openreach ‘own’ all the lines. There’s no monopoly there’s dozens of broadband providers. 


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 13 August 2022 at 10:24pm
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

So Liz Truss has gone public about not wanting to issue any more windfall taxes on energy companies, the very energy companies who have made even greater profits in the past 2 months than they did before Sunak taxed them (whilst chancellor following pressure to do so by labour and the Lib Dems).
She declared that profit should not be seen as greed or a dirty word, but when millions are seeing their hard earned wages going on just surviving it’s completely insensitive to say such things and to rule out taxing the profits they are making from this energy crisis.

Truss defending the poor energy monoplies against the criticism of the masses in fuel poverty sums up the horrendous status quo...The way they mis use to language to describe this as some kind of free market competition? These are monopolies who pay less as a percentage in tax than average joe....Appalling morally bankrupt politicians paid off by corporate lobbyists  profiteering to line each others grubby pockets....The truth is energy / utilities should have ever been privatised. Same with BT too....How can they call that it healthy competition when they own all the phone lines?  

Openreach ‘own’ all the lines. There’s no monopoly there’s dozens of broadband providers. 

Which is as you know 100% owned by bt 


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Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 14 August 2022 at 4:26pm
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

So Liz Truss has gone public about not wanting to issue any more windfall taxes on energy companies, the very energy companies who have made even greater profits in the past 2 months than they did before Sunak taxed them (whilst chancellor following pressure to do so by labour and the Lib Dems).
She declared that profit should not be seen as greed or a dirty word, but when millions are seeing their hard earned wages going on just surviving it’s completely insensitive to say such things and to rule out taxing the profits they are making from this energy crisis.

Truss defending the poor energy monoplies against the criticism of the masses in fuel poverty sums up the horrendous status quo...The way they mis use to language to describe this as some kind of free market competition? These are monopolies who pay less as a percentage in tax than average joe....Appalling morally bankrupt politicians paid off by corporate lobbyists  profiteering to line each others grubby pockets....The truth is energy / utilities should have ever been privatised. Same with BT too....How can they call that it healthy competition when they own all the phone lines?  

Openreach ‘own’ all the lines. There’s no monopoly there’s dozens of broadband providers. 

Which is as you know 100% owned by bt 

So it would be better for many different companies to maintain the U.K. fibre network. Can you imagine the logistical chaos. 



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