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Topic: Liam Williams
Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Subject: Liam Williams
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 7:46am
Is it just me in my old age getting cranky or does anyone else on here agree that Liam's sickening explanations about why he had to leave the Scarlets for a new challenge/experience etc are getting pretty pathetic. Apparently he wasn't enjoying his rugby at PYS - strange one that as I don't recall seeing him playing any rugby at PYS since his return from Saracens. Funny old world. 



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Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 7:58am
He was absolutely a breath of fresh air when he first started plsying for the Scarlets.Fresh from the steelworks and the premiership,his willingness to attack was a pleasure to watch.Now his powers have waned on the field;cheap shots and petulance have long since crept into his play.Once a rough diamond,now a plastic sparkler.Here today and gone tomorrow,like the trashy celebrity culture he now embodies.


Posted By: Brainfart
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 9:35am
I think his partner is influencing his decisions. Moved to Saracens, where she lived. Move to Cardiff where she now lives. It'll be France next. 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 10:35am
He really is doing his best to become unpopular with us isn’t he?


Posted By: Scrletsfan32x
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 10:47am
Disappointing to read those comments, he became a liability in the end with all the needless cards he was picking up. Certainly wasn’t worth the money we were lying him and tbh I’m glad he’s gone.


Posted By: Sosban89
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 11:09am
Seems like quite an overreaction. From what I can see all he said was he wasn't enjoying his rugby at the end of the season. Why is that an issue? And pretty much every player who has ever moved clubs states 'new challenge'. I think people are a bit over sensitive. 


Posted By: Seagultaf
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 11:15am
I strongly suspect the truth is that Scarlets were not prepared to make him a counter offer to the one he had got from Cardiff. Why would they when he rarely plays and they already have three Welsh International fullbacks in their squad? I suspect Sanjay is trying to come up with a plausible alternative story.


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 11:20am
He was under contract wasn’t he? Didn’t we just agree to let him leave early? Under new player banding i don’t think regions can outbid each other? I may well be wrong mind


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 11:52am
Originally posted by Seagultaf Seagultaf wrote:

I strongly suspect the truth is that Scarlets were not prepared to make him a counter offer to the one he had got from Cardiff. Why would they when he rarely plays and they already have three Welsh International fullbacks in their squad? I suspect Sanjay is trying to come up with a plausible alternative story.
He had a contract to play for us this season. His second spell was a huge disappointment so we were happy to release him. It’s a shame that he seemed to lose a lot of the commitment and motivation he had in his first spell as he was on course to become a club legend.  


Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 11:52am
Originally posted by Seagultaf Seagultaf wrote:

I strongly suspect the truth is that Scarlets were not prepared to make him a counter offer to the one he had got from Cardiff. Why would they when he rarely plays and they already have three Welsh International fullbacks in their squad? I suspect Sanjay is trying to come up with a plausible alternative story.
How could they make a counter offer? His salary is determined by the pay banding system 

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Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 11:55am
He was a very good player for us sorry to see him go. He certainly wasn’t value for money recently but did have bad luck with injuries. We have some really good youngsters who can step into the breach. Some comments over the top I wish him well playing for Cardiff and Wales. 
Isn’t it about time however that a player with team Wales is offered to us, surely if Reffell and LRZ become available and have to sign for Welsh region then they should be offered to us first. 



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Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 12:15pm
Gutted when he left for Saracens. This time? Meh. Guaranteed he’ll score a try against us mind. Always happens with ex players. 


Posted By: Gate12
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 1:05pm
I think it would have just been nice if he acknowledged that there may have been things he'd have done differently and he may have contributed towards things not going particularly smoothly.


Posted By: Scarlet O'Hara
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 1:10pm
Therein lies the problem with social media, there are times when you need a thick skin (see above for example). As I recall some things were said about Liam about his lack of game time and it seemed he took them to heart and the whole thing soured.                              
His second stint here was a disappointment to all as he was such a popular figure and I we had hoped he would have stayed for the final season so we could finally see the Liam that we all loved to see. Sadly this wasn't to be and I wish him well, (except against us of course)!


Posted By: Seagultaf
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 2:16pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Seagultaf Seagultaf wrote:

I strongly suspect the truth is that Scarlets were not prepared to make him a counter offer to the one he had got from Cardiff. Why would they when he rarely plays and they already have three Welsh International fullbacks in their squad? I suspect Sanjay is trying to come up with a plausible alternative story.
How could they make a counter offer? His salary is determined by the pay banding system 

Its my understanding that there is some width in the salary bands and that teams can also offer a top up. Otherwise why would any Welsh 38 player change teams if there was no salary increase available?


Posted By: Owen111
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 3:04pm
dealt with him on a personal level too, muppet he is




Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 4:00pm
Shouldn’t this be in General Rugby?

Not a reflection of GPR starting the topic here, just the subject matter and his descent from the peaks of his first stint with us.


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Posted By: Lincscarlet
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 4:01pm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/62746252%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/62746252

link for anyone who's not read the comments.  Reading between the lines he was in talks with Cardiff and Dai Young for a long time and you have to question how he could play well for wales whilst often being anonymous for us, on those occasions he did play.  Someone who's not worried about defamation could infer he did his best to force the move...but I categorically wouldn't say that. 

Thanks for your service Sanj, the first stint will always be remembered fondly.


Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 4:02pm
Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

Seems like quite an overreaction. From what I can see all he said was he wasn't enjoying his rugby at the end of the season. Why is that an issue? And pretty much every player who has ever moved clubs states 'new challenge'. I think people are a bit over sensitive. 
Not really, he barely played but then suddenly HE wasnt enjoying his rugby. New challenge fair enough but usually after doing everything at your previous club. We got very poor value for money for him, he should be thanking us for letting him go if anything.


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Posted By: Grammar School Boy
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 4:09pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

He really is doing his best to become unpopular with us isn’t he?

It really seemed as if he didn't want to be here. Best for everyone, especially the Scarlets,  that he left.


Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 4:15pm
Time to move on boys! No need for negativity, we’ve got a great young fullback in Tom Rogers and I’m focussed on supporting him and everybody who is wearing Scarlet.


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 4:16pm
I don’t think him and peel got on did they?


Posted By: turkishrebel
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 4:55pm
Not turning up for training on time or at all. Poor attitude in training. No wonder we let him go.
To be honest I don't really want to know about him anymore. Cardiffs problem 


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Posted By: Brainfart
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 5:03pm
Besides his poor work ethic at times and lack of discipline in some games, I think hes not the best at articulating his thoughts, what with his stammer. So let's give him the benefit of doubt on that? 


Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 5:26pm
He s One of my favorite player but his attitude in his last games showed me that his time with scarlets was over..


Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 5:35pm
Cardiff are welcome to him. If their environment gets him to buy into the team more than ours did, everyone is a winner.
He was a fantastic asset to us in his first spell, and I am grateful to him for all the entertainment.

In his 2nd stint he was at times, an idiot. Let's be honest. I think his first game back after a lengthy spell ended in a red card for a ridiculous tackle. And it didn't really get much better until his final few weeks.

These days it seems clear to me that we are trying to build a team around fewer players who are team Wales first choice, for lots of reasons including consistency of selection. I am personally wholeheartedly behind that strategy. 


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Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 9:05pm
I read it [bbc article] and at first I was pretty disappointed. Then I realised I don’t actually care. I think he is done now, the longer we would’ve stuck with him the worse it would be Scarlets. Best for all that he moves on, Rogers would’ve sat him on the bench this season anyhow. With Cardiff losing Amos he’s gone at the right time for all concerned. 


Posted By: Grammar School Boy
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 9:17pm
When Liam's name comes up, the first thing I think of is the Springbok game when he tried to take the Bok winger's head off in the act of scoring on the final play of the match which cost Wales their first win in SA.

That cheap shot streak seemed to have have been knocked out of him at Saracens, but it returned again last year. 

He has a ton of talent and is very courageous, but once in a while the red mist he gets lets him down.  Other than the above incident, he has been a great asset to Wales, and the Lions, and good luck to him in his new life.


Posted By: dyniol53
Date Posted: 05 September 2022 at 11:43pm
Still my favourite player

He clearly is a better player when pushing for a place in the team or has someone hot on his heels and he didn’t really have that nor does he have that at Wales at the moment

His comments are pretty innocuous to me - good luck to him!


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Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 06 September 2022 at 1:14am
Originally posted by supertaf supertaf wrote:

Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

Seems like quite an overreaction. From what I can see all he said was he wasn't enjoying his rugby at the end of the season. Why is that an issue? And pretty much every player who has ever moved clubs states 'new challenge'. I think people are a bit over sensitive. 
Not really, he barely played but then suddenly HE wasnt enjoying his rugby. New challenge fair enough but usually after doing everything at your previous club. We got very poor value for money for him, he should be thanking us for letting him go if anything.

Agree, I don't think it's an over-reaction. 
As it's already been stated, he was great in his first stint with us.
Wayne Pivac told me, that part of the reason he moved to Sarries , was his on -going relationship, & also obviously joining a top team capable of winning things, was an attraction.
I wished him well with that, and he did fine up there !.
Was pleased when he returned only to be so disappointed by reckless play (costing us points & games), ineffective displays, and a lack of commitment to playing at all.
We are better off without him.

Maybe a comparison in cricket is "Welsh Fire", a bunch of mercenaries, with NO FIRE in their bellies
Maybe sums up some aspects of modern sport
Bring back the old tribal and ultra-parochial...LOL !


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 06 September 2022 at 7:22am
Originally posted by turkishrebel turkishrebel wrote:

Not turning up for training on time or at all. Poor attitude in training. No wonder we let him go.
To be honest I don't really want to know about him anymore. Cardiffs problem 

Agree 100%Thumbs Up


Posted By: Rubrum
Date Posted: 06 September 2022 at 9:42pm
Sad.  Him I mean.
As is our reaction to his petulant and silly comments.
We know that he is being influenced.
We also know that a rugby players career is short, so he is chasing the money.
I do not regret his departure.
The Scarlets are strong enough to survive without a 'celebrity' player.



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Posted By: scarletnut
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 8:01am
Originally posted by Rubrum Rubrum wrote:

Sad.  Him I mean.
As is our reaction to his petulant and silly comments.
We know that he is being influenced.
We also know that a rugby players career is short, so he is chasing the money.
I do not regret his departure.
The Scarlets are strong enough to survive without a 'celebrity' player.

How can he be chasing money by going to Cardiff when his wage is determined by the pay banding system? He’s on exactly the same wage in Cardiff as he was on in Llanelli 

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 8:19am
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Rubrum Rubrum wrote:

Sad.  Him I mean.
As is our reaction to his petulant and silly comments.
We know that he is being influenced.
We also know that a rugby players career is short, so he is chasing the money.
I do not regret his departure.
The Scarlets are strong enough to survive without a 'celebrity' player.

How can he be chasing money by going to Cardiff when his wage is determined by the pay banding system? He’s on exactly the same wage in Cardiff as he was on in Llanelli 

Precisely Steff. I fail to also see why our comments are deemed petulant & silly when a player clearly is underperforming. How can we compare the superb committment shown by players like Sione to that of Liam over the past two seasons? Bearing in mind that Liam was rejected by his home region I would have thought he at least owed the Scarlets some gratitude for giving him his chance.

For sure none of us could fault the sheer determination & will to succeed that Liam brought in his first contract with us, sadly that memory has been tarnished by the past two years. Far too often Welsh Internationals are guilty of forgetting their committment to their regions once they are Welsh regulars. Of course that does not apply across the board. Players like Cawdor, Tipuric, Faletau & Moriarty are examples of how it should be done. 


Posted By: salmidach
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 10:45am
I must not comment, I must not comment......

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Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 11:07am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Rubrum Rubrum wrote:

Sad.  Him I mean.
As is our reaction to his petulant and silly comments.
We know that he is being influenced.
We also know that a rugby players career is short, so he is chasing the money.
I do not regret his departure.
The Scarlets are strong enough to survive without a 'celebrity' player.

How can he be chasing money by going to Cardiff when his wage is determined by the pay banding system? He’s on exactly the same wage in Cardiff as he was on in Llanelli 

Precisely Steff. I fail to also see why our comments are deemed petulant & silly when a player clearly is underperforming. How can we compare the superb committment shown by players like Sione to that of Liam over the past two seasons? Bearing in mind that Liam was rejected by his home region I would have thought he at least owed the Scarlets some gratitude for giving him his chance.

For sure none of us could fault the sheer determination & will to succeed that Liam brought in his first contract with us, sadly that memory has been tarnished by the past two years. Far too often Welsh Internationals are guilty of forgetting their committment to their regions once they are Welsh regulars. Of course that does not apply across the board. Players like Cawdor, Tipuric, Faletau & Moriarty are examples of how it should be done. 


I'd take issue with this "only a short career" old chestnut.It's not.Age,just like a complete absence of any kind of form,is no barrier to staying at the very top of the professional game in Welsh rugby.


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 11:13am
Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Rubrum Rubrum wrote:

Sad.  Him I mean.
As is our reaction to his petulant and silly comments.
We know that he is being influenced.
We also know that a rugby players career is short, so he is chasing the money.
I do not regret his departure.
The Scarlets are strong enough to survive without a 'celebrity' player.

How can he be chasing money by going to Cardiff when his wage is determined by the pay banding system? He’s on exactly the same wage in Cardiff as he was on in Llanelli 

Precisely Steff. I fail to also see why our comments are deemed petulant & silly when a player clearly is underperforming. How can we compare the superb committment shown by players like Sione to that of Liam over the past two seasons? Bearing in mind that Liam was rejected by his home region I would have thought he at least owed the Scarlets some gratitude for giving him his chance.

For sure none of us could fault the sheer determination & will to succeed that Liam brought in his first contract with us, sadly that memory has been tarnished by the past two years. Far too often Welsh Internationals are guilty of forgetting their committment to their regions once they are Welsh regulars. Of course that does not apply across the board. Players like Cawdor, Tipuric, Faletau & Moriarty are examples of how it should be done. 


I'd take issue with this "only a short career" old chestnut.It's not.Age,just like a complete absence of any kind of form,is no barrier to staying at the very top of the professional game in Welsh rugby.
Look at Halfpenny-lost count of the number of articles I've read about him-"Halfpenny pops the question"(he even got a photo of that)
"Halfpenny learns to run again"
"Halfpenny gets the Lego out"etc etc etc
.....but I barely remember the last time he played....and when he did,he was crap.


Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 11:58am
Can we shut this bizarre thread down it’s being used to [beep] players off when they have given us some of the best years of there careers. It’s pointless let’s look forward and get behind the players.
For the record Leigh Halfpenny and Foxy are two of the best professionals Wales have ever had, for the youngsters to learn off these players is priceless. 



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Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 12:02pm
If it's just about youngsters learning,then it'd probably be cheaper to send them to Eton.


Posted By: Brainfart
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 12:10pm
Shock horror, players abilities fade when reaching the end of their careers. Who'd have thought it? Be good to concentrate on their many achievements. 


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 12:19pm
Originally posted by Brainfart Brainfart wrote:

Shock horror, players abilities fade when reaching the end of their careers. Who'd have thought it? Be good to concentrate on their many achievements. 


I agree with every word you've written there.
It's a perfect explanation of why professional sportsmen should know when to call it a day.


Posted By: N14
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 12:31pm
Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Can we shut this bizarre thread down it’s being used to [beep] players off when they have given us some of the best years of there careers. It’s pointless let’s look forward and get behind the players.
For the record Leigh Halfpenny and Foxy are two of the best professionals Wales have ever had, for the youngsters to learn off these players is priceless. 


You can't simply have a thread closed down because you don't like or agree with the content 


Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 12:49pm
It’s not that I disagree with it it’s just pointless he’s gone now good luck to him. People are just using it to bad mouth other players who have served us well. 

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Posted By: Brainfart
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 12:58pm
I agree with every word you've written there.
It's a perfect explanation of why professional sportsmen should know when to call it a day.
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What concerns me is Foxy being made captain. Unless his performances improve then he shouldn't be first choice at 13 or even on the bench. There were times last season where he struggled to get the basics rights at all. 


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 1:01pm
Clive Griffiths,Steve Bowling,Ian Jones,Luc Evans,Matt Cardey,Lee Byrne,Barry Davies,Morgan Stofdart,Garan Evans.
There's some full-backs who served us well.I can close my eyes and see again something each of them did in a game for the club.Can't say the same for Halfpenny.


Posted By: Brainfart
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 1:19pm
Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Clive Griffiths,Steve Bowling,Ian Jones,Luc Evans,Matt Cardey,Lee Byrne,Barry Davies,Morgan Stofdart,Garan Evans.
There's some full-backs who served us well.I can close my eyes and see again something each of them did in a game for the club.Can't say the same for Halfpenny.
His defence has been immense at times. The loss v Toulon his tackle on his opposite number, making up a fair bit of ground. He's done that a hell of a lot for us. Covered hard yards to make the tackle. And many runs from deep with ball in hand being the catalyst for a fair few tries. 


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 1:31pm
Originally posted by Brainfart Brainfart wrote:

Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Clive Griffiths,Steve Bowling,Ian Jones,Luc Evans,Matt Cardey,Lee Byrne,Barry Davies,Morgan Stofdart,Garan Evans.
There's some full-backs who served us well.I can close my eyes and see again something each of them did in a game for the club.Can't say the same for Halfpenny.
His defence has been immense at times. The loss v Toulon his tackle on his opposite number, making up a fair bit of ground. He's done that a hell of a lot for us. Covered hard yards to make the tackle. And many runs from deep with ball in hand being the catalyst for a fair few tries. 

I think he'd struggle to remember that tackle himself as he knocked himself out again...
Sorry,but that's what full-backs do-they  cover a lot of yards in defence and run from deep.Halfpenny's meant to be a superstar and is paid accordingly.It's funny that anybody praising him simply celebrates the prosaic.For what it's worth,I lost interest in him whenhe lost his pace,and he lost his pace long before he came here.


Posted By: Brainfart
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 1:39pm
I think he'd struggle to remember that tackle himself as he knocked himself out again...
Sorry,but that's what full-backs do-they  cover a lot of yards in defence and run from deep.Halfpenny's meant to be a superstar and is paid accordingly.It's funny that anybody praising him simply celebrates the prosaic.For what it's worth,I lost interest in him when he lost his pace,and he lost his pace long before he came here.
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So he did his job then? And the element  of psychology placed on the opposition of not conceding penalties because of his range has also been a positive. 
Tackle technique definitely let him down, I'll agree there. 
Anyway onwards and upwards, Tom Rogers is the future. And what a player he may become. 



Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 1:46pm
Originally posted by Brainfart Brainfart wrote:

I think he'd struggle to remember that tackle himself as he knocked himself out again...
Sorry,but that's what full-backs do-they  cover a lot of yards in defence and run from deep.Halfpenny's meant to be a superstar and is paid accordingly.It's funny that anybody praising him simply celebrates the prosaic.For what it's worth,I lost interest in him when he lost his pace,and he lost his pace long before he came here.
So he did his job then? And the element  of psychology placed on the opposition of not conceding penalties because of his range has also been a positive. 
Tackle technique definitely let him down, I'll agree there. 
Anyway onwards and upwards, Tom Rogers is the future. And what a player he may become. 

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And that's the concern.Ageing pros on lengthy contracts serve to restrict opportunities.Rogers,and others like him,need to be the present,as well as the future.
Rogers is a cracking player.We need to pick a mid-field that can bring him into the game more,hitting the line with his pace.



Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 1:49pm
Lack of pace is one thing; lack of desire is something entirely different. I started this topic specifically regarding some of the comments emanating from Liam Williams where in reality he could have said nothing.

Foxy & Halfpenny were not the subject of my concern because, for me, they have been model professionals. I tend to share the view that pace is a pre-requisite for the back 4 in particular. This will not be something lost on Dwayne thats for sure. 


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 1:54pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Lack of pace is one thing; lack of desire is something entirely different. I started this topic specifically regarding some of the comments emanating from Liam Williams where in reality he could have said nothing.

Foxy & Halfpenny were not the subject of my concern because, for me, they have been model professionals. I tend to share the view that pace is a pre-requisite for the back 4 in particular. This will not be something lost on Dwayne thats for sure. 

You're right there-Ulster were always quick behind.


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 3:16pm
Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by Brainfart Brainfart wrote:

Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Clive Griffiths,Steve Bowling,Ian Jones,Luc Evans,Matt Cardey,Lee Byrne,Barry Davies,Morgan Stofdart,Garan Evans.
There's some full-backs who served us well.I can close my eyes and see again something each of them did in a game for the club.Can't say the same for Halfpenny.
His defence has been immense at times. The loss v Toulon his tackle on his opposite number, making up a fair bit of ground. He's done that a hell of a lot for us. Covered hard yards to make the tackle. And many runs from deep with ball in hand being the catalyst for a fair few tries. 

I think he'd struggle to remember that tackle himself as he knocked himself out again...
Sorry,but that's what full-backs do-they  cover a lot of yards in defence and run from deep.Halfpenny's meant to be a superstar and is paid accordingly.It's funny that anybody praising him simply celebrates the prosaic.For what it's worth,I lost interest in him whenhe lost his pace,and he lost his pace long before he came here.
even in his prime hp was not a great attacking full back. He simply doesn’t run those tyoe of lines (liam , byrne ian jones martin grAv were all better coming into the line tbh) hp was brilliant positional wise, under the high ball  he was also very fast and a world class kicker, he is also brave as anyone when in comes to tackling (despite a dodgy technique) ideap for gatlamd not so much for pivac and peel tbh.  Halfpemmy was a limited full back but what he was good at he was world class at . 3 lions tours and 100 welsh caps is proof that


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 3:24pm
Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Lack of pace is one thing; lack of desire is something entirely different. I started this topic specifically regarding some of the comments emanating from Liam Williams where in reality he could have said nothing.

Foxy & Halfpenny were not the subject of my concern because, for me, they have been model professionals. I tend to share the view that pace is a pre-requisite for the back 4 in particular. This will not be something lost on Dwayne thats for sure. 

You're right there-Ulster were always quick behind.
that balacombe is rApid


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 3:37pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by Brainfart Brainfart wrote:

Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Clive Griffiths,Steve Bowling,Ian Jones,Luc Evans,Matt Cardey,Lee Byrne,Barry Davies,Morgan Stofdart,Garan Evans.
There's some full-backs who served us well.I can close my eyes and see again something each of them did in a game for the club.Can't say the same for Halfpenny.
His defence has been immense at times. The loss v Toulon his tackle on his opposite number, making up a fair bit of ground. He's done that a hell of a lot for us. Covered hard yards to make the tackle. And many runs from deep with ball in hand being the catalyst for a fair few tries. 

I think he'd struggle to remember that tackle himself as he knocked himself out again...
Sorry,but that's what full-backs do-they  cover a lot of yards in defence and run from deep.Halfpenny's meant to be a superstar and is paid accordingly.It's funny that anybody praising him simply celebrates the prosaic.For what it's worth,I lost interest in him whenhe lost his pace,and he lost his pace long before he came here.
even in his prime hp was not a great attacking full back. He simply doesn’t run those tyoe of lines (liam , byrne ian jones martin grAv were all better coming into the line tbh) hp was brilliant positional wise, under the high ball  he was also very fast and a world class kicker, he is also brave as anyone when in comes to tackling (despite a dodgy technique) ideap for gatlamd not so much for pivac and peel tbh.  Halfpemmy was a limited full back but what he was good at he was world class at . 3 lions tours and 100 welsh caps is proof that

I think he played his best rugby on the wing.I could be flippant and say that.3 Lions tours and 100 caps just means that Warren Gatland picked him a lotWink



Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 3:40pm
Dwayne and the fitness coaches will know who the quickest and fittest players are. Anyone who’s had a preseason of amateur rugby and run horrendous suicide drills in the winter will also know what i’m on about.


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 3:57pm
Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

Dwayne and the fitness coaches will know who the quickest and fittest players are. Anyone who’s had a preseason of amateur rugby and run horrendous suicide drills in the winter will also know what i’m on about.
we all know who the fastest are . I’d back cawdor over 30 metres vs any one in our squad 


Posted By: Mrfwon
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 4:28pm
There nothing in that article to me to be honest, storm in a tea cup. If a player isn't enjoying their rugby with their club, then that is 100% fair enough, and I'd rather they be honest and say so, in which Liam has openly stated. Thumbs Up
Lets also remember that lots had changed down at Y Parc from Liam's first stint to his second after leaving Sarries, so who really knows.
He also had a bad run of injuries too, so better for both parties if a players heart isn't in it anymore with one club, and better to move on to something new with another.

Let's not forget what Liam achieved and the style of rugby that he played during his first stint with us, and for me, I wish him all the best in Cardiff. No bad feeling from me for sure. Thumbs Up


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Posted By: Seagultaf
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 8:08pm
Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Rubrum Rubrum wrote:

Sad.  Him I mean.
As is our reaction to his petulant and silly comments.
We know that he is being influenced.
We also know that a rugby players career is short, so he is chasing the money.
I do not regret his departure.
The Scarlets are strong enough to survive without a 'celebrity' player.

How can he be chasing money by going to Cardiff when his wage is determined by the pay banding system? He’s on exactly the same wage in Cardiff as he was on in Llanelli 

I presume that if its called a pay banding system, then there is at least some width in the bands. So if one Region offers near the bottom of the band and the other offers near the top of the pay band, then potentially there could be quite a big difference? 
Surely if the salary is dictated to the penny by the WRU, then why would any of the Wales 80:20 players be tempted to change teams?



Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 8:22pm
Maybe their existing team didn’t make an offer for a new contract? Maybe they want to work with a different coach?

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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 07 September 2022 at 9:57pm
Originally posted by Seagultaf Seagultaf wrote:

Originally posted by scarletnut scarletnut wrote:

Originally posted by Rubrum Rubrum wrote:

Sad.  Him I mean.
As is our reaction to his petulant and silly comments.
We know that he is being influenced.
We also know that a rugby players career is short, so he is chasing the money.
I do not regret his departure.
The Scarlets are strong enough to survive without a 'celebrity' player.

How can he be chasing money by going to Cardiff when his wage is determined by the pay banding system? He’s on exactly the same wage in Cardiff as he was on in Llanelli 

I presume that if its called a pay banding system, then there is at least some width in the bands. So if one Region offers near the bottom of the band and the other offers near the top of the pay band, then potentially there could be quite a big difference? 
Surely if the salary is dictated to the penny by the WRU, then why would any of the Wales 80:20 players be tempted to change teams?

less travelling time? Doesn’t get on with coach? Nagging wifeWink


Posted By: Grammar School Boy
Date Posted: 17 September 2022 at 4:07pm
May have broken his collarbone in his debut..


Posted By: Maple
Date Posted: 17 September 2022 at 5:02pm
Didums

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Posted By: Brainfart
Date Posted: 17 September 2022 at 5:05pm
Originally posted by Maple Maple wrote:

Didums

I wouldn't wish injury on any player. Not a good look. 


Posted By: Scarlet O'Hara
Date Posted: 17 September 2022 at 5:34pm
Yeah really unnecessary. I hope his heals quicker than mine.


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 17 September 2022 at 6:09pm
Originally posted by Maple Maple wrote:

Didums

What a pathetic comment. Spoken like a spoilt brat. 


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 17 September 2022 at 9:26pm
Liam looked pretty good until the injury. The look of sadness on his face probably means he knows full well it’s not just a strain and could take him out for months. We need him fit asap for his sake and so Pivac keeps off the Scarlets bois for the AI games 🤨 club before country for me these days 


Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 17 September 2022 at 9:40pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Liam looked pretty good until the injury. The look of sadness on his face probably means he knows full well it’s not just a strain and could take him out for months. We need him fit asap for his sake and so Pivac keeps off the Scarlets bois for the AI games 🤨 club before country for me these days 
Yep. 


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Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 17 September 2022 at 9:47pm
Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Liam looked pretty good until the injury. The look of sadness on his face probably means he knows full well it’s not just a strain and could take him out for months. We need him fit asap for his sake and so Pivac keeps off the Scarlets bois for the AI games 🤨 club before country for me these days 
Yep. 
Double yep


Posted By: Mrfwon
Date Posted: 18 September 2022 at 10:31am
Looked a painful one for Liam for sure, and horrible luck again with an injury at the start of the season. Fingers crossed he makes a speedy recovery, and like a few others have said, is fit for the AI's.

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Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 18 September 2022 at 3:31pm
You can almost guarantee that he’ll remarkably be fit in time for the AIs.  It’s always the same with international players, they are always injured for their clubs, play the bare minimum, then go into the jail of Glamorgan and are wrapped up in cotton wool by the Team Wales medical team, and surprise, surprise, they are fit for Wales.
Liam did look good before the injury, let’s hope he recovers quickly, it must be a worry for Cardiff though, this a yet another injury to Liam (who has hardly played 10 club games since being released by Saracens).


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 18 September 2022 at 4:03pm
Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

You can almost guarantee that he’ll remarkably be fit in time for the AIs.  It’s always the same with international players, they are always injured for their clubs, play the bare minimum, then go into the jail of Glamorgan and are wrapped up in cotton wool by the Team Wales medical team, and surprise, surprise, they are fit for Wales.
Liam did look good before the injury, let’s hope he recovers quickly, it must be a worry for Cardiff though, this a yet another injury to Liam (who has hardly played 10 club games since being released by Saracens).
he won’t be playing in ai games if he has broken his collarbone itll be next year by time he is fit


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 18 September 2022 at 7:45pm
Would that plastic surface have been less forgiving than say a similar incident at Parc y Scarlets or no difference at all? 🤔 We all hear about its alleged hazards for knees and ligaments of course.



Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 18 September 2022 at 7:53pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Would that plastic surface have been less forgiving than say a similar incident at Parc y Scarlets or no difference at all? 🤔 We all hear about its alleged hazards for knees and ligaments of course.

The other issue is the rubber pellet infill these artificial pitches have. 

All the players were wearing them very quickly into the match. Some of those will be inhaled.

That’s altogether different to inhaling some organic stuff like mud/grass, too, you’d imagine.


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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 18 September 2022 at 11:54pm
Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Would that plastic surface have been less forgiving than say a similar incident at Parc y Scarlets or no difference at all? 🤔 We all hear about its alleged hazards for knees and ligaments of course.

The other issue is the rubber pellet infill these artificial pitches have. 

All the players were wearing them very quickly into the match. Some of those will be inhaled.

That’s altogether different to inhaling some organic stuff like mud/grass, too, you’d imagine.
They look like they are covered by facial spots! I don’t like those sort of pitches tbh


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 20 September 2022 at 10:01am
Sanjay out for 4 months.


Posted By: Sosban89
Date Posted: 20 September 2022 at 10:56am
I'm sure plenty of the bitter fans here will be secretly celebrating that. 


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 20 September 2022 at 11:01am
Originally posted by Sosban89 Sosban89 wrote:

I'm sure plenty of the bitter fans here will be secretly celebrating that. 
Sorry for Sanjay who looked pretty forlorn. It also means that the risk of us losing Mc Nicholl or Rogers or even HP or all three to team Wales for the AI’s has gone up a notch ☹️ 


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 20 September 2022 at 11:04am
He seems to have got to a point where injuries are regular now.


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 20 September 2022 at 11:28am
To be honest when he left, I wasn't that fussed as we never saw him in a Scarlets shirt & I joked with a friend who is a Cardiff fan & said they'll hardly see him. What annoyed me more was the comments he made about the move saying he was injured lots etc & felt a change would help....I'm not one to wish bad on people & I certainly feel for Sanjay but there is some feeling of Karma about this. 


Posted By: salmidach
Date Posted: 20 September 2022 at 11:33am
why are we still talking about this guy? he showed nothing but utter contempt for our club during his last tenure here.. 

let's move on!


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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 20 September 2022 at 11:46am
Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

why are we still talking about this guy? he showed nothing but utter contempt for our club during his last tenure here.. 

let's move on!
ClapClap


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 20 September 2022 at 12:46pm
Hes a different guy to the awesome youngster that joined us a decade ago... sad really


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 20 September 2022 at 1:30pm
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Hes a different guy to the awesome youngster that joined us a decade ago... sad really
 

So are you THANKFULLY ( well over the last 48 hours anyway 😂) 


Posted By: salmidach
Date Posted: 20 September 2022 at 3:44pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Hes a different guy to the awesome youngster that joined us a decade ago... sad really
 

So are you THANKFULLY ( well over the last 48 hours anyway 😂) 

he's just warming up.. still in pre-season mode lol


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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 20 September 2022 at 4:17pm
Originally posted by salmidach salmidach wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Hes a different guy to the awesome youngster that joined us a decade ago... sad really
 

So are you THANKFULLY ( well over the last 48 hours anyway 😂) 

he's just warming up.. still in pre-season mode lol
 
😇😂


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 20 September 2022 at 4:27pm
I'm rising above the childish trivialityCool


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 20 September 2022 at 4:49pm
johnny mac the likeliest welsh full back replacement? Leigh hapenny may figure too? Anyone else in the frame?

I dont like this constant desire to convert josh adams, hes a proven world class winger , leave him on the wing I say



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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 20 September 2022 at 6:52pm
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

johnny mac the likeliest welsh full back replacement? Leigh hapenny may figure too? Anyone else in the frame?

I dont like this constant desire to convert josh adams, hes a proven world class winger , leave him on the wing I say

We do it all the time Roy at domestic level.


Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 20 September 2022 at 8:31pm
I think Adams was full back for Worcester when he played for them initially.

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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 20 September 2022 at 8:35pm
It will be Rogers


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 20 September 2022 at 9:48pm
I”d like to rogers bjt oivac will go for jonny mac or halfpenny. Then your looking at utility boys anscombe collins patchell erc


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 20 September 2022 at 9:50pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

I”d like to rogers but pivac will go for jonny mac or halfpenny. Then your looking at utility boys anscombe collins patchell  erc


Posted By: Gate12
Date Posted: 20 September 2022 at 10:33pm
I found Dai Youngs comments around Liam offering to assist with things like analysis during his lay off a bit odd. Surely that's not a big thing? Alongside his rehab its the only part of his job he can do, so yeah you'd expect him to be turning up to work even if he can't fully do his job.

It may have just been a throwaway comment to illustrate how much he's eager to help but it's hardly going above and beyond.


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 21 September 2022 at 12:47am
Perhaps liams injury is due to his oversized chip on his shoulder 


Posted By: tim d
Date Posted: 21 September 2022 at 6:20am
ClapClapClap

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 21 September 2022 at 9:42am
I certainly do not celebrate Liam or any other player getting injured - to me that is ludicrous. However Dai Young was asked about Liam's injury record when with the Scarlets & questioned whether he thought it a good investment employing someone who had only featured for his club 4 from 31. 

Well Liam will be lucky to play one more game for Cardiff before the end of March 2023. By that time they will have 2/3 more URC games left in the regular season. Unless they make the play offs in either competition that will be his work done. It will be very telling to compare the number of games we get from Fifita in that time. 


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 21 September 2022 at 10:19am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

I certainly do not celebrate Liam or any other player getting injured - to me that is ludicrous. However Dai Young was asked about Liam's injury record when with the Scarlets & questioned whether he thought it a good investment employing someone who had only featured for his club 4 from 31. 

Well Liam will be lucky to play one more game for Cardiff before the end of March 2023. By that time they will have 2/3 more URC games left in the regular season. Unless they make the play offs in either competition that will be his work done. It will be very telling to compare the number of games we get from Fifita in that time. 

In terms of injury records,the same questions were not asked of the Svarlets management when contracts were given to Scott Williams,Shingler and Patchell.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 21 September 2022 at 11:58am
Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

I certainly do not celebrate Liam or any other player getting injured - to me that is ludicrous. However Dai Young was asked about Liam's injury record when with the Scarlets & questioned whether he thought it a good investment employing someone who had only featured for his club 4 from 31. 

Well Liam will be lucky to play one more game for Cardiff before the end of March 2023. By that time they will have 2/3 more URC games left in the regular season. Unless they make the play offs in either competition that will be his work done. It will be very telling to compare the number of games we get from Fifita in that time. 

In terms of injury records,the same questions were not asked of the Svarlets management when contracts were given to Scott Williams,Shingler and Patchell.

Surely Dic management have to be led by the medics. The three you mentioned were not complicated further by being part of the chosen 38. As far as Scott is concerned he was an ever present last season in fairness. 


Posted By: Dic Penderyn
Date Posted: 21 September 2022 at 12:02pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Dic Penderyn Dic Penderyn wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

I certainly do not celebrate Liam or any other player getting injured - to me that is ludicrous. However Dai Young was asked about Liam's injury record when with the Scarlets & questioned whether he thought it a good investment employing someone who had only featured for his club 4 from 31. 

Well Liam will be lucky to play one more game for Cardiff before the end of March 2023. By that time they will have 2/3 more URC games left in the regular season. Unless they make the play offs in either competition that will be his work done. It will be very telling to compare the number of games we get from Fifita in that time. 

In terms of injury records,the same questions were not asked of the Svarlets management when contracts were given to Scott Williams,Shingler and Patchell.

Surely Dic management have to be led by the medics. The three you mentioned were not complicated further by being part of the chosen 38. As far as Scott is concerned he was an ever present last season in fairness. 
He was unavailable for the crucial run-in( last 5 games?)


Posted By: Realwest
Date Posted: 21 September 2022 at 6:33pm
It would be nice to get Halfpenny back to fitness and up to 100 Welsh caps or to see Tom Rogers get a few games for Wales but realistically I can see Josh Adams moving to 15 as Pivac seems to want to re position him (I’d leave him wing)

Although he’s playing In the Championship I’d say the next best option at 15 for Wales would be Jonah Holmes

Other options 

Ospreys = Collins or Nagy (is he Welsh Qualified)
Dragons = Jordan Williams or OBrian
Blues = Matthew Morgan
Scarlets = Halfpenny or Rogers



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