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Topic: Team vs Stormers
Posted By: Mr Ian
Subject: Team vs Stormers
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 12:02pm
Absolutely not  a bad team...

15 Johnny McNicholl; 14 Tom Rogers, 13 Jonathan Davies (capt), 12 Scott Williams, 11 Ryan Conbeer; 10 Dan Jones, 9 Gareth Davies; 1 Steff Thomas, 2 Daf Hughes, 3 Harri O’Connor, 4 Sam Lousi, 5 Tom Price, 6 Aaron Shingler, 7 Dan Davis, 8 Sione Kalamafoni.

Replacements: 16 Taylor Davies, 17 Kemsley Mathias, 18 WillGriff John, 19 Blade Thomson, 20 Tomás Lezana, 21 Archie Hughes, 22 Rhys Patchell, 23 Steff Evans.




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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 12:30pm
Originally posted by Mr Ian Mr Ian wrote:

Absolutely not  a bad team...

15 Johnny McNicholl; 14 Tom Rogers, 13 Jonathan Davies (capt), 12 Scott Williams, 11 Ryan Conbeer; 10 Dan Jones, 9 Gareth Davies; 1 Steff Thomas, 2 Daf Hughes, 3 Harri O’Connor, 4 Sam Lousi, 5 Tom Price, 6 Aaron Shingler, 7 Dan Davis, 8 Sione Kalamafoni.

Replacements: 16 Taylor Davies, 17 Kemsley Mathias, 18 WillGriff John, 19 Blade Thomson, 20 Tomás Lezana, 21 Archie Hughes, 22 Rhys Patchell, 23 Steff Evans.

Many thanks Mr Ian

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Posted By: Scrletsfan32x
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 12:31pm
Not a bad team, I would of had Patchell of Dan Jones, Fifita over Price and Blade over Shingler.


Posted By: gaffer
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 12:50pm
Originally posted by Scrletsfan32x Scrletsfan32x wrote:

Not a bad team, I would of had Patchell of Dan Jones, Fifita over Price and Blade over Shingler.

Fifita unavailable this w/end (played for Fiji). A pity Blacker and Costelow are stuck doing nothing with Team Wales as well. Best we can put out I think. Weak front 5 though.


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 1:56pm
I understood that Fifita was in South Africa after appearing with Louisi for Tonga so he hasn't been selected for some reason.


Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 2:17pm
That backline wouldn't look out of place playing Australia this weekend.

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 2:22pm
Continuing selection of Dan ahead of Patchell is confusing me. Something ain't right. Also Lezana behind Dan with both returning from injury. Finally no Baldwin to cover wing/centre selects Steff which is in line with current thinking it seems. Also if Fifita is fit I am confused why he is not starting at 6. 

All in all a selection which would do Pivac proud. 


Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 2:25pm
  Fifita not available until next week, a real shame that. 


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 2:30pm
Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:

  Fifita not available until next week, a real shame that. 

Why is that 157???


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 2:30pm
Originally posted by 157cb 157cb wrote:

  Fifita not available until next week, a real shame that. 


Yes, some visa challenges I think, due to land at the weekend.


Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 2:40pm
I’d like to see Rogers at fullback when available. Think that’s where we need him long term.


Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 2:58pm
What happened to Sebastian,?


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 3:09pm
I mean, all things considered that is a very decent XV.


Posted By: totallybiasedscarlet
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 3:30pm
Anybody know if it's on TV?

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Posted By: scarletsbeno1
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 3:36pm
Yeah on bbc 2 tomorrow eve. And iplayer and bbc website. 



Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 3:58pm
Can only echo GPR's comments on Dinky v Patch. If Patch is 100% fit I can see no conceivable rugby reason for starting with Dinky, who has neither the pace, athleticism or passing ability to be the first choice.


Posted By: scarletsrules
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 4:31pm
Decent team, i am baffled also why Patch is constantly on the bench, If Patch was being used as an impact sub then it would be something but every game hes come on its been way to late to change any result


Posted By: townboy
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 4:39pm
Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

Can only echo GPR's comments on Dinky v Patch. If Patch is 100% fit I can see no conceivable rugby reason for starting with Dinky, who has neither the pace, athleticism or passing ability to be the first choice.

My understanding on this Dai is that Patch over the last 6-8 weeks doesn’t train with the main squad at the beginning of the week due to niggles (trains with the physio) then joins in later part of the week once he feels ok..Difficult to pick him then when he’s not there on team issues..Whether Patch is 100% only he knows 


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 5:39pm
Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

Can only echo GPR's comments on Dinky v Patch. If Patch is 100% fit I can see no conceivable rugby reason for starting with Dinky, who has neither the pace, athleticism or passing ability to be the first choice.
Prime for prime, there is no contest, Patchell is a class above. 

He was excellent for us 2016-18, but it doesn’t look like he’s going to be able to get back to that level even though he is still in his 20s. The niggly leg injuries look to have robbed him of a yard of pace. I suspect that the head knocks have (completely understandably) effected his appetite to defend aggressively too.  

He still has qualities and certain attributes which are better than Dan Jones, but isn’t a class above Dan any longer. 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 6:30pm
He’s not made a notable impact on a game for quite a while now. Not to say he can’t or won’t, but I can understand why he’s 3rd choice right now.


Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 7:52pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

He’s not made a notable impact on a game for quite a while now. Not to say he can’t or won’t, but I can understand why he’s 3rd choice right now.

If he's not playing then it's not all that easy to make an impact. When has Dan Jones made a positive impact?


Posted By: crj89
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 8:01pm
Every time Patchell has played recently he’s let us down, whether that be a dropped ball, wayward pass or injury. Every time I see Dan picked instead of Patchell I’m a little bit miffed but I understand why, he just can’t be relied on anymore, not on his current form anyway. I hope we can see the old Patchell at some point, but he doesn’t deserve to start in my opinion.


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 11:36pm
Originally posted by crj89 crj89 wrote:

Every time Patchell has played recently he’s let us down, whether that be a dropped ball, wayward pass or injury. Every time I see Dan picked instead of Patchell I’m a little bit miffed but I understand why, he just can’t be relied on anymore, not on his current form anyway. I hope we can see the old Patchell at some point, but he doesn’t deserve to start in my opinion.


If want someone to make subsequent improvements to their game, you have to give them game time.
Patchell has not has adequate game time, in my view, and I don't mean off the bench.

He may not be the player he was, in 2016/18, , probably due to injuries. He does still however have attributes such as a huge boot, and great distribution skills.
For me, he would start in from of Dan Jones every time .Dan is a good solid player, but very limited.
My main argument is why the hell did we allow O'Brian to leave.?
 If Peel and co, didn't think Patchell was up to it, then WHY give him a contract extension. Bizarre, going on's at Parc ..some things do'nt make sense !


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Posted By: crj89
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 1:00am
Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by crj89 crj89 wrote:

Every time Patchell has played recently he’s let us down, whether that be a dropped ball, wayward pass or injury. Every time I see Dan picked instead of Patchell I’m a little bit miffed but I understand why, he just can’t be relied on anymore, not on his current form anyway. I hope we can see the old Patchell at some point, but he doesn’t deserve to start in my opinion.


If want someone to make subsequent improvements to their game, you have to give them game time.
Patchell has not has adequate game time, in my view, and I don't mean off the bench.

He may not be the player he was, in 2016/18, , probably due to injuries. He does still however have attributes such as a huge boot, and great distribution skills.
For me, he would start in from of Dan Jones every time .Dan is a good solid player, but very limited.
My main argument is why the hell did we allow O'Brian to leave.?
 If Peel and co, didn't think Patchell was up to it, then WHY give him a contract extension. Bizarre, going on's at Parc ..some things do'nt make sense !

I can’t disagree with you, the player retentions of late have been poor and don’t necessarily make too much sense. 

Dan Jones is semi pro level but seems to be the best we have at the moment. 

Shingler and Thomson are injuries waiting to happen.

Patchell is never fit enough it would seem.

All in this squad. They need to make way so we can recruit.




Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 5:56am
Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

He’s not made a notable impact on a game for quite a while now. Not to say he can’t or won’t, but I can understand why he’s 3rd choice right now.

If he's not playing then it's not all that easy to make an impact. When has Dan Jones made a positive impact?


He's been unavailable for large swathes of the last two seasons which hasn't helped. Selection in the 23 has invariably been followed by injury/time off. Unlucky really. As we know he had decided to move on last season but the deal with Bath fell through at the eleventh hour, we re-signed him for a year.

A recurring calf injury added to concussions has (as Townboy mentions) meant he is clearly 'managing' these issues by spending time away from the main squad during the week. That must be in the coaches mind when thinking of starting him?

I find it difficult to agree with some of the tags given to Dan Jones. He's in totally different bracket to Patchell in terms of cost and expectation surely. Yet at just 26, he's pulled on the shirt 140 times.

My read on the overall team selection is that Peel has got his eye on next season's squad too...Davis in preference to Lezana, O'Connor in front of Sébastien and WGJ suggests ( as per Patchell) that those not selected may not (at the moment anyway) be in in Peel's plans for next year.


Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 7:05am
Tom Price again where are Morgan Jones and Jac Price.
It’s a disgrace team Wales are keeping Costellow and Blacker how are young players in Wales ever going to improve if they don’t play in games,  especially experiencing different countries and how they go about the game. 


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 7:59am
Hearing about Rhys not training with the full squad most of the week helps me understand the situation. I do not agree that Dan Jones is not full professional level by the way - he is just not my idea of a Scarlets 10. His range of kicking both defensively and attacking is the best at the club. He is short of top end pace but does most things adequately for a 3rd choice 10.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and if Dwayne had to make a decision now between offering Rhys a further year or keeping Angus I would hazard a guess it would have been different. Looks like we can add a 10 to our must have shopping list for next season along with a 2nd row. 


Posted By: crj89
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 8:44am
Me calling Dan Jones semi pro might be a little harsh, but I stand by him not being good enough for a top region.

Hypothetical question. If a 35 year old Priestland was still at the club would he be ahead of him? The answer to that would most probably be yes. Just because he is a Quins product and no doubt cheap doesn’t mean he’s good enough. Angus O’Brien has looked far better.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 9:31am
Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Tom Price again where are Morgan Jones and Jac Price.
It’s a disgrace team Wales are keeping Costellow and Blacker how are young players in Wales ever going to improve if they don’t play in games,  especially experiencing different countries and how they go about the game. 


Totally agree on Blacker (no game time) and Costelow. The English system would mean they are automatically released if not in the 23 and their club have a game.

Jac has picked up a knock and is out for a short time. Morgan is just an enigma to my mind. Huge potential, we/he haven't yet found a way to unlock it for some reason. He's EQ, so may be he's thinking of a move to England, pure guess.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 9:40am
Originally posted by crj89 crj89 wrote:

Me calling Dan Jones semi pro might be a little harsh, but I stand by him not being good enough for a top region.

Hypothetical question. If a 35 year old Priestland was still at the club would he be ahead of him? The answer to that would most probably be yes. Just because he is a Quins product and no doubt cheap doesn’t mean he’s good enough. Angus O’Brien has looked far better.


I actually didn't really see Angus competing for the 10 shirt with us, or indeed with the Dragons. Angus is a 15 (who can play 10 if needed) by trade, something borne out by the Dragons only picking him there.
If he'd have stayed with the Scarlets he'd be vying with the likes of McNichol, Halfpenny and maybe Rogers and Nicholas for the 15 shirt. He's made a smart move in my view, especially with Jonah Holmes and Josh Lewis moving on last season.

A 35 year old Priestland is/would be with the Wales squad, so there's no point to be debated there really. Bet Cardiff are chuffed with that by the way.

I don't understand the Quins point there sorry.


Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 9:53am
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

What happened to Sebastian,?
Indeed, not long ago he was first choice, injured perhaps?


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Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 9:53am
Originally posted by totallybiasedscarlet totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

Anybody know if it's on TV?
Every single URC game is televised. 


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Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 9:58am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by crj89 crj89 wrote:

Me calling Dan Jones semi pro might be a little harsh, but I stand by him not being good enough for a top region.

Hypothetical question. If a 35 year old Priestland was still at the club would he be ahead of him? The answer to that would most probably be yes. Just because he is a Quins product and no doubt cheap doesn’t mean he’s good enough. Angus O’Brien has looked far better.


I actually didn't really see Angus competing for the 10 shirt with us, or indeed with the Dragons. Angus is a 15 (who can play 10 if needed) by trade, something borne out by the Dragons only picking him there.
If he'd have stayed with the Scarlets he'd be vying with the likes of McNichol, Halfpenny and maybe Rogers and Nicholas for the 15 shirt. He's made a smart move in my view, especially with Jonah Holmes and Josh Lewis moving on last season.

A 35 year old Priestland is/would be with the Wales squad, so there's no point to be debated there really. Bet Cardiff are chuffed with that by the way.

I don't understand the Quins point there sorry.

With the Angus piece though you have hit the scarlets nail on the head - too many people vying for shirts hence we never know what our starting 15 is. Angus now nailed on at Dragons15 and doing well (and in a better team than us now). We need to sort out or we will never compete.


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Posted By: supertaf
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 10:17am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Tom Price again where are Morgan Jones and Jac Price.
It’s a disgrace team Wales are keeping Costellow and Blacker how are young players in Wales ever going to improve if they don’t play in games,  especially experiencing different countries and how they go about the game. 


Totally agree on Blacker (no game time) and Costelow. The English system would mean they are automatically released if not in the 23 and their club have a game.

Jac has picked up a knock and is out for a short time. Morgan is just an enigma to my mind. Huge potential, we/he haven't yet found a way to unlock it for some reason. He's EQ, so may be he's thinking of a move to England, pure guess.

Absolutely or even if Wales had a proper professional Union where the WRU had to pay for every day they wanted a player in the squad. We would soon see players released if not required. 


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Posted By: Scrletsfan32x
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 2:19pm
Is anyone on here confident about the game tonight? If we could get a losing BP and a win against the Lions I would be very happy. A tall ask but let’s hopefully the rest has done the boys good.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 2:24pm
Two bonus point losses would be an improvement on whats gone before for sure. 


Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 3:02pm

  Hard earned win for me! 


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 3:03pm
No, not confident at all sadly. On paper, we have a good team out but I feel we have had a good side out in many of our games this season.

I hope the new coach has had time to work some magic. 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 3:07pm
Points of interest for me are whether we can see the impact of Blackett on the team...good line speed, better pillar defence etc.

It's hard to be confident, but if we do step up a gear then this Stormers side have some weaknesses that we can exploit.

So, with that, let me sit back and prepare to field questions later on how we conceded 50 points again...


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 3:12pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Points of interest for me are whether we can see the impact of Blackett on the team...good line speed, better pillar defence etc.

It's hard to be confident, but if we do step up a gear then this Stormers side have some weaknesses that we can exploit.

So, with that, let me sit back and prepare to field questions later on how we conceded 50 points again...

How can this be improved under Blackett? He has been employed as a backs & skills coach. Those 2 aspects come down to the defence coach.


Posted By: crj89
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 3:17pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by crj89 crj89 wrote:

Me calling Dan Jones semi pro might be a little harsh, but I stand by him not being good enough for a top region.

Hypothetical question. If a 35 year old Priestland was still at the club would he be ahead of him? The answer to that would most probably be yes. Just because he is a Quins product and no doubt cheap doesn’t mean he’s good enough. Angus O’Brien has looked far better.


I actually didn't really see Angus competing for the 10 shirt with us, or indeed with the Dragons. Angus is a 15 (who can play 10 if needed) by trade, something borne out by the Dragons only picking him there.
If he'd have stayed with the Scarlets he'd be vying with the likes of McNichol, Halfpenny and maybe Rogers and Nicholas for the 15 shirt. He's made a smart move in my view, especially with Jonah Holmes and Josh Lewis moving on last season.

A 35 year old Priestland is/would be with the Wales squad, so there's no point to be debated there really. Bet Cardiff are chuffed with that by the way.

I don't understand the Quins point there sorry.

My point is exactly that, a Priestland in poor form is in the Welsh squad, tells you everything about the form of every Welsh qualified 10 at the regions and more specifically the 2 in our squad for tonight.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 4:23pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Points of interest for me are whether we can see the impact of Blackett on the team...good line speed, better pillar defence etc.

It's hard to be confident, but if we do step up a gear then this Stormers side have some weaknesses that we can exploit.

So, with that, let me sit back and prepare to field questions later on how we conceded 50 points again...


How can this be improved under Blackett? He has been employed as a backs & skills coach. Those 2 aspects come down to the defence coach.


OK then. I just thought he would tap in to Blackett in areas we aren't that sharp in. I know I would. Backs have been very passive in defense at times.



Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 4:34pm
Originally posted by crj89 crj89 wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by crj89 crj89 wrote:

Me calling Dan Jones semi pro might be a little harsh, but I stand by him not being good enough for a top region.

Hypothetical question. If a 35 year old Priestland was still at the club would he be ahead of him? The answer to that would most probably be yes. Just because he is a Quins product and no doubt cheap doesn’t mean he’s good enough. Angus O’Brien has looked far better.


I actually didn't really see Angus competing for the 10 shirt with us, or indeed with the Dragons. Angus is a 15 (who can play 10 if needed) by trade, something borne out by the Dragons only picking him there.
If he'd have stayed with the Scarlets he'd be vying with the likes of McNichol, Halfpenny and maybe Rogers and Nicholas for the 15 shirt. He's made a smart move in my view, especially with Jonah Holmes and Josh Lewis moving on last season.

A 35 year old Priestland is/would be with the Wales squad, so there's no point to be debated there really. Bet Cardiff are chuffed with that by the way.

I don't understand the Quins point there sorry.


My point is exactly that, a Priestland in poor form is in the Welsh squad, tells you everything about the form of every Welsh qualified 10 at the regions and more specifically the 2 in our squad for tonight.



Wasn't he Seren y Gem in his last match for Cardiff?



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