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Topic: Wales Side to face Australia
Posted By: Fscarlet
Subject: Wales Side to face Australia
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 12:30pm
In what could be Pivac's final game in charge:

Wales: Leigh Halfpenny; Alex Cuthbert, George North, Joe Hawkins, Rio Dyer; Gareth Anscombe, Tomos Williams; Gareth Thomas, Ken Owens, Dillon Lewis, Adam Beard, Alun Wyn Jones, Jac Morgan, Justin Tipuric, Taulupe Faletau.

Replacements: Ryan Elias, Rhodri Jones, Tomas Francis, Ben Carter, Josh Macleod, Kieran Hardy, Rhys Priestland, Josh Adams.




Replies:
Posted By: Scrletsfan32x
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 12:35pm
The fact that he’s persisted with Cuthbert says it all, Priestland should be nowhere near the squad and Smith over Jones on the bench for me.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 1:24pm
I feel for Watkin. No one picks him at 12, he’s not a play maker. Pivac does, then stops him from the 23.
Hawkins the right call, as it would have been last week.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 2:04pm
Every team selection features one or two very questionable picks. Lewis over Francis? Cuthbert over Adams is pure bonkers. Wil is correct above about Watkin but I think he is mentioned as carrying  a knock. 


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 2:54pm
Ahhh great dropped our only world class player josh adams after months of messing him around in the wrong positions. With him out and LRZ back in Gloucester weve lost our firepower. At least hes developing AWJ for the next world cup maybe 2027 too

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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 2:56pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Every team selection features one or two very questionable picks. Lewis over Francis? Cuthbert over Adams is pure bonkers. Wil is correct above about Watkin but I think he is mentioned as carrying  a knock. 


Yes I’m wrong, he’s injured.


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 4:46pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Every team selection features one or two very questionable picks. Lewis over Francis? Cuthbert over Adams is pure bonkers. Wil is correct above about Watkin but I think he is mentioned as carrying  a knock. 

I totally  agree with that GPR. Strange selections...Lewis /Francis, & Cuthbert/Adams.
Also not completely  happy with make up of back row. Morgan deserves  the 7 jersey,is playing well.Tipuric at 6 however? 
He has been a wonderful  player and a joy to watch, but reckon still far from his best, and injury and recovery from that could be the reason. Also as a capt, he needs to be more assertive, and needs to be in the ref's ear more regularly. 

Overall,  the team has a better look though  with AwJ, Falateau & Anscombe returning.
Aussies like us not in a good place, so game could  go either way.


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Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 24 November 2022 at 5:06pm
AWJ will be in the ref's ear, it's  in his DNA and this won't  help Tipuric as a captain.

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Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 3:25pm

BREAKINGLate change for Wales

Wales v Australia (15:15 GMT)

Wales have been forced into a late change once again.

Leigh Halfpenny has withdrawn from the squad with a back spasm sustained during the warm up.

Josh Adams starts in an unfamiliar role at full-back.

Sam Costelow joins the replacements.



Posted By: Scrletsfan32x
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 3:33pm
Halfpenny is another player who’s body just can no longer cope with the physical demands of International rugby.


Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 4:05pm
So, at half time, its Aus 3rds 13 Wales 20.

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Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 4:26pm
Splendid match for AWJ 


Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 4:57pm
Cuthburt proving his worth

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Posted By: Lincscarlet
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 5:13pm
34-13 up…….and we’ve still blown it


Posted By: Milli
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 5:15pm
Sack the entire coaching staff


Posted By: totallybiasedscarlet
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 5:16pm
Pivac will go now surely?

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Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 5:17pm
Fully deserved. Poor poor poor.

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Posted By: Grammar School Boy
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 5:28pm
Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Fully deserved. Poor poor poor.

The game summed up Pivac's tenure;

Moments of competence and promise, then when coaching and adjustments were needed, it all went downhill fast.

From taking off Biggar in 2021 in Paris, to today, his substitution patterns were terrible.

The WRU is the bigger long term problem, however.



Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 5:33pm
I've no sympathy for Pivac, he's been making very silly selection / subsitution /tactical decisions but the modern game is so dependent on refereeing decisions in awarding cards and borderline technical infringements eg the Elias "penalty try" that almost anything can happen.


Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 5:35pm
The man Pivac doesnt deserve this horror show. Dimission Is the best solution for both.


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 5:38pm
That was heading for our best ever result against Australia until the Priestland intercept and subsequent Tipuric trip. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an international game turn so much. 

Wales were playing well and in total control. 

Pivac has made mistakes and if there’s a quality replacement he probably should go, but he was bloody unlucky today.  


Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 5:41pm
Did anyone else feel disgusted when the commentators complimented Tipuric for his cynical trip on the Aussie player who was clear.  We are aware of Tipuric's dark side at y Parc.  Taking one for the team is acceptable  in soccer but surely not in rugby.

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Posted By: Grammar School Boy
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 5:45pm
The Doc is implying that the players want Pivac out..


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 5:49pm
Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

That was heading for our best ever result against Australia until the Priestland intercept and subsequent Tipuric trip. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an international game turn so much. 

Wales we’re playing well and in total control. 

Pivac has made mistakes and if there’s a quality replacement he probably should go, but he was bloody unlucky today.  
Agreed.

The first hour or so was very nostalgic when we displayed flair, confidence, scored tries and built the foundations for Jac Morgan to be Seren y Gem. It’s been a long wait for such a display.

Then it was the same old same old and Tripuric’s moment of madness is an example of a streak that he has. It takes away a lot of his good points. Had he n’ont tripped him, the cover would’ve stopped him and we’d have been playing with another player on the pitch for those 10 plus minutes.


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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 5:50pm
Originally posted by Grammar School Boy Grammar School Boy wrote:

The Doc is implying that the players want Pivac out..
Was it Pivac who stopped Doc’s international career?

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Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 5:57pm
Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by Grammar School Boy Grammar School Boy wrote:

The Doc is implying that the players want Pivac out..
Was it Pivac who stopped Doc’s international career?
Gatland dropped him for Hadleigh Parkes. 




Posted By: Grammar School Boy
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 6:04pm
Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by Grammar School Boy Grammar School Boy wrote:

The Doc is implying that the players want Pivac out..
Was it Pivac who stopped Doc’s international career?
Gatland dropped him for Hadleigh Parkes. 



That seems a long time ago..


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 6:22pm
Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by Grammar School Boy Grammar School Boy wrote:

The Doc is implying that the players want Pivac out..
Was it Pivac who stopped Doc’s international career?
Gatland dropped him for Hadleigh Parkes. 


Thanks

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Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 6:22pm
Tipuric does indeed have a very sly side to him. He got away with it at PyS this season. You expect a much much better from the skipper of your national team.

However, why was AWJ taken of 6 minutes later? he was the natural leader left on the pitch


Posted By: Gate12
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 6:27pm
Australia were missing literally a full squad through injury or availability, if you can't beat them in those circumstances then we've got no chance in the WC.

Fiji will have better prep than for the autumn in the WC, I can't see Wales getting out of the group.

Sounds daft but Australia felt like favourites when they were 16 points down.


Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 6:42pm
What really peed me off was when Tipuric was sin-binned, he was smiling and having a laugh with one of the backroom staff. Not professional at all. Cost us the game

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Posted By: Scrletsfan32x
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 6:47pm
Surely that is the end of the line for Pivac.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 6:49pm
Tate McDermott and Noah Lolesio were the main reasons Australia had the platform tp fight back from 34-13. They came off the bench on 55 mins and turned the game. Not sure why they didn't start.


Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 7:11pm
This has to be the end for Pivac.  Only 10 wins in 33 games, baffling selections on a match to match basis, along with even more baffling substitutions.
However, the performances on the field pale into insignificance when compared to the state of the game in general and the running of it by the WRU.
PIVACs appointment was a punt (done on the cheap), how the WRU could state that they searched the world to find the best man and then go 50 miles down the road (to get Pivac) was just embarrassing.
The lack of a funding deal for the regions, the purchasing of a hotel and the joke that’s the roof walk, just shows the WRU for what they are - a bunch of amateurs in charge of a multi million pound organisation, hamstrung by grass roots sides.
We all know what their one solution will be - cut down the number of regions to two.  That would just stifle any opportunity for players to break through into the national team on a regular basis, as you would only have a limited number of spaces for players in any given position.
What is needed is wholesale changes at the top of the game, the appointment of people with either a business or a professional playing background (or both if possible), the removal of the power of grass roots sides, who often just vote down changes just to frustrate the union, the proper funding of the regions or the regions being given more autonomy - with them funding their own squads but being paid the going rate for players being released to the national squad.


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 7:17pm
Wales played well. Two players let the team down there one of them the captain. They lost us the game. I don't think you can blame Pivac for Tipurics blatant trip on a player. 


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 7:18pm
I DO'NT KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELESE ON THE FORUM, BUT LAYER CAKE IS BEGING TO TURN ON ME
1) Scarlets all season
2) Wales rugby in 2022(particularly Georgia & Italy
3) Wales football in world cup
4) Icing on the cake today, losing today after a commanding lead

Almost given up the will to be a sportsfan Confused

Cannot believe Wales lost today to an Aussie side so under strength.
If Wales don't get rid of Pivac now, and give a replacement, at least a little time to work with the squad, we won't get out of the pool in the world cup for sure.

Whoever the coach is, some of the basic lack of a skillset some of the players possess, is going to cause problems. However surely a better team of professionals cannot do a worse job than we see ATM

Wales started really well and were clearly on top.
Pivac then committed "Hari- Kari", by making ritual changes, which is what rugby now seems to be about.
The quicker this is stopped the better, for safety of players, as much as anything. An IRB ruling to reintroduce changes for injury only

Anscombe was playing well, controlling the game. On comes Priestland, and throws a "don't look pass", leading to a stupid trip from Tipruric & subsequent yellow card. GAME TURNS.
Ridiculous.
To top this Wales has ample opportunities to to close the game but didn't take them.
Poor leadership from Tipuric and lack of basic skills in the Red Zone..just like Scarlets.
It just isn't good enough from alleged top pro sportsmen.

As well discussed before on the forum, changing the coach, may have some short-term success, but the problem, as we all know, runs a lot deeper.

WRU now MUST take some action.
As well as changing the national coach, they should commission an immediate review (Independant of union) into the game in Wales at all levels. There should be a set timeframe to report back, so there is an urgency, and the reviews conclusions WILL need to be implemented

That reviews remit firstly should be looking at.... 
1) the viability of the regions. Their success (or lack of|) organisation including academies. The funding formula for the regions, for each region should surely be examined, and to maintain the 4 regions, whether this should be increased.
If the funding cannot be maintained and increased, what are the options?
2) The viability of the top tier of the game itself, under the regions. The Premiership, with the view to examine the reduction in the number of teams within this structure, to concentrate the best players within a more limited number of clubs, and therefore enhance a better level of competition.
3) The review would also need to look further down the chain at the community game in Wales and discuss with clubs how they can be helped and adequately supported by the union, which would also mean support for junior rugby 
4)There should be an examination of how the game is administered in Wales in schools and colleges, and therefore, should work closely with the Welsh government, and local Authorities
5) To review the continued to support of women's rugby in Wales, making it gender inclusive at all levels
6) Finally, and most important, is a review of the WRU itself and its archaic structure.
To implement the above measures, (and in my view, there needs to be radical changes) the whole voting and democratic structure needs to change.
Small clubs, through whatever self-interest motivates them, should NOT be able to block major changes, which the whole of the game in Wales.
There has been clear evidence of this at recent meetings, were WRU could not make the changes they wanted. 
A business the size of WRU, needs a model that continues to operate smoothly and reflects the demands of the 21st century, not the Victorian era.

Do I think this will happen; probably not, and therefore we go on with a mediocre, failing game, supported by shrinking grassroots. 
It's incredibly sad and it hurts

One thing I will say about scarlet fever forum, whatever disagreements there are on here, (naturally as it's a forum), the very fact there are so many Scarlets fans on here who, like me, love the game of rugby in Wales, speaks volumes. 
The fact is, if it didn't mean anything to them, they wouldn't be wasting their time on here.
Silence would be worrying.
On a dismal week for Welsh sport, as it has been, that's my true crumb of comfortCry
 



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Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 7:21pm
Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

I DO'NT KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELESE ON THE FORUM, BUT LAYER CAKE IS BEGING TO TURN ON ME
1) Scarlets all season
2) Wales rugby in 2022(particularly Georgia & Italy
3) Wales football in world cup
4) Icing on the cake today, losing today after a commanding lead

Almost given up the will to be a sportsfan Confused

Cannot believe Wales lost today to an Aussie side so under strength.
If Wales don't get rid of Pivac now, and give a replacement, at least a little time to work with the squad, we won't get out of the pool in the world cup for sure.

Whoever the coach is, some of the basic lack of a skillset some of the players possess, is going to cause problems. However surely a better team of professionals cannot do a worse job than we see ATM

Wales started really well and were clearly on top.
Pivac then committed "Hari- Kari", by making ritual changes, which is what rugby now seems to be about.
The quicker this is stopped the better, for safety of players, as much as anything. An IRB ruling to reintroduce changes for injury only

Anscombe was playing well, controlling the game. On comes Priestland, and throws a "don't look pass", leading to a stupid trip from Tipruric & subsequent yellow card. GAME TURNS.
Ridiculous.
To top this Wales has ample opportunities to to close the game but didn't take them.
Poor leadership from Tipuric and lack of basic skills in the Red Zone..just like Scarlets.
It just isn't good enough from alleged top pro sportsmen.

As well discussed before on the forum, changing the coach, may have some short-term success, but the problem, as we all know, runs a lot deeper.

WRU now MUST take some action.
As well as changing the national coach, they should commission an immediate review (Independant of union) into the game in Wales at all levels. There should be a set timeframe to report back, so there is an urgency, and the reviews conclusions WILL need to be implemented

That reviews remit firstly should be looking at.... 
1) the viability of the regions. Their success (or lack of|) organisation including academies. The funding formula for the regions, for each region should surely be examined, and to maintain the 4 regions, whether this should be increased.
If the funding cannot be maintained and increased, what are the options?
2) The viability of the top tier of the game itself, under the regions. The Premiership, with the view to examine the reduction in the number of teams within this structure, to concentrate the best players within a more limited number of clubs, and therefore enhance a better level of competition.
3) The review would also need to look further down the chain at the community game in Wales and discuss with clubs how they can be helped and adequately supported by the union, which would also mean support for junior rugby 
4)There should be an examination of how the game is administered in Wales in schools and colleges, and therefore, should work closely with the Welsh government, and local Authorities
5) To review the continued to support of women's rugby in Wales, making it gender inclusive at all levels
6) Finally, and most important, is a review of the WRU itself and its archaic structure.
To implement the above measures, (and in my view, there needs to be radical changes) the whole voting and democratic structure needs to change.
Small clubs, through whatever self-interest motivates them, should NOT be able to block major changes, which the whole of the game in Wales.
There has been clear evidence of this at recent meetings, were WRU could not make the changes they wanted. 
A business the size of WRU, needs a model that continues to operate smoothly and reflects the demands of the 21st century, not the Victorian era.

Do I think this will happen; probably not, and therefore we go on with a mediocre, failing game, supported by shrinking grassroots. 
It's incredibly sad and it hurts

One thing I will say about scarlet fever forum, whatever disagreements there are on here, (naturally as it's a forum), the very fact there are so many Scarlets fans on here who, like me, love the game of rugby in Wales, speaks volumes. 
The fact is, if it didn't mean anything to them, they wouldn't be wasting their time on here.
Silence would be worrying.
On a dismal week for Welsh sport, as it has been, that's my true crumb of comfortCry
 


Priestland didn't come on as a result of Pivac not knowing what he's doing. It was more to do with I don't think Anscombe can play rugby with one arm. 


Posted By: Grammar School Boy
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 7:25pm
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

I DO'NT KNOW ABOUT ANYONE ELESE ON THE FORUM, BUT LAYER CAKE IS BEGING TO TURN ON ME
1) Scarlets all season
2) Wales rugby in 2022(particularly Georgia & Italy
3) Wales football in world cup
4) Icing on the cake today, losing today after a commanding lead

Almost given up the will to be a sportsfan Confused

Cannot believe Wales lost today to an Aussie side so under strength.
If Wales don't get rid of Pivac now, and give a replacement, at least a little time to work with the squad, we won't get out of the pool in the world cup for sure.

Whoever the coach is, some of the basic lack of a skillset some of the players possess, is going to cause problems. However surely a better team of professionals cannot do a worse job than we see ATM

Wales started really well and were clearly on top.
Pivac then committed "Hari- Kari", by making ritual changes, which is what rugby now seems to be about.
The quicker this is stopped the better, for safety of players, as much as anything. An IRB ruling to reintroduce changes for injury only

Anscombe was playing well, controlling the game. On comes Priestland, and throws a "don't look pass", leading to a stupid trip from Tipruric & subsequent yellow card. GAME TURNS.
Ridiculous.
To top this Wales has ample opportunities to to close the game but didn't take them.
Poor leadership from Tipuric and lack of basic skills in the Red Zone..just like Scarlets.
It just isn't good enough from alleged top pro sportsmen.

As well discussed before on the forum, changing the coach, may have some short-term success, but the problem, as we all know, runs a lot deeper.

WRU now MUST take some action.
As well as changing the national coach, they should commission an immediate review (Independant of union) into the game in Wales at all levels. There should be a set timeframe to report back, so there is an urgency, and the reviews conclusions WILL need to be implemented

That reviews remit firstly should be looking at.... 
1) the viability of the regions. Their success (or lack of|) organisation including academies. The funding formula for the regions, for each region should surely be examined, and to maintain the 4 regions, whether this should be increased.
If the funding cannot be maintained and increased, what are the options?
2) The viability of the top tier of the game itself, under the regions. The Premiership, with the view to examine the reduction in the number of teams within this structure, to concentrate the best players within a more limited number of clubs, and therefore enhance a better level of competition.
3) The review would also need to look further down the chain at the community game in Wales and discuss with clubs how they can be helped and adequately supported by the union, which would also mean support for junior rugby 
4)There should be an examination of how the game is administered in Wales in schools and colleges, and therefore, should work closely with the Welsh government, and local Authorities
5) To review the continued to support of women's rugby in Wales, making it gender inclusive at all levels
6) Finally, and most important, is a review of the WRU itself and its archaic structure.
To implement the above measures, (and in my view, there needs to be radical changes) the whole voting and democratic structure needs to change.
Small clubs, through whatever self-interest motivates them, should NOT be able to block major changes, which the whole of the game in Wales.
There has been clear evidence of this at recent meetings, were WRU could not make the changes they wanted. 
A business the size of WRU, needs a model that continues to operate smoothly and reflects the demands of the 21st century, not the Victorian era.

Do I think this will happen; probably not, and therefore we go on with a mediocre, failing game, supported by shrinking grassroots. 
It's incredibly sad and it hurts

One thing I will say about scarlet fever forum, whatever disagreements there are on here, (naturally as it's a forum), the very fact there are so many Scarlets fans on here who, like me, love the game of rugby in Wales, speaks volumes. 
The fact is, if it didn't mean anything to them, they wouldn't be wasting their time on here.
Silence would be worrying.
On a dismal week for Welsh sport, as it has been, that's my true crumb of comfortCry
 


Priestland didn't come on as a result of Pivac not knowing what he's doing. It was more to do with I don't think Anscombe can play rugby with one arm. 

Why wasn't Costellow brought on?


Posted By: gaffer
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 7:41pm
Pivac has to go. Out of his depth. However, without a systematic change at the WRU it will all be pointless. The WRU are the reason Wales and the regions are floundering.

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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 7:53pm
Turned the game off after 25 mins but still shocked to see end result.


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 7:55pm
How often does Gethin crack a smile? 

When we scored, there was no change of expression.


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Posted By: Seagultaf
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 8:37pm
Originally posted by Dai Guevara Dai Guevara wrote:

I've no sympathy for Pivac, he's been making very silly selection / subsitution /tactical decisions but the modern game is so dependent on refereeing decisions in awarding cards and borderline technical infringements eg the Elias "penalty try" that almost anything can happen.
Has anyone taken another look at the Elias yellow? The TMO was asked whether his feet were in play when the maul came down. We then saw a replay which showed his feet behind the try line, so out of play. The TMO then said the replay clearly shows his feet were in play. Confusing?


Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 8:49pm
His left hand was in the field of play.

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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 8:49pm
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Wales played well. Two players let the team down there one of them the captain. They lost us the game. I don't think you can blame Pivac for Tipurics blatant trip on a player. 
tbh i don’t think you blame tupriv for pivacs subs tactics and selections eitherWink


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 9:07pm
To many old tosspreys , but what option did he have ...
The best chef in the world can produce a banquet when you only have mouldy bread and out of date crisps in the cupboard Ouch


Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 10:11pm
We blew a slam with terrible subs, Pivac hasn’t learned a thing.


Posted By: Sosban89
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 10:49pm
Originally posted by Tony Clifton Tony Clifton wrote:

We blew a slam with terrible subs, Pivac hasn’t learned a thing.

In all fairness, I don't think anyone could have imagined us blowing such a big lead no matter what the subs were. 


Posted By: gaffer
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 10:54pm
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

To many old tosspreys , but what option did he have ...
The best chef in the world can produce a banquet when you only have mouldy bread and out of date crisps in the cupboard Ouch

The best players today were AWJ, Jac and Hawkins so what is your point?


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Posted By: Lincscarlet
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 12:25am
Thing is tipuric shouldn’t even have been in the wales squad. Thomas young is the form 7 after jac Morgan, and josh gives us far more physicality- what turnovers did tips get in the entire series? 

Giving away needless yellows is the MO for wales. I hate to go backwards, because for all his success gats had a lot of downsides, but he’d at least organise a team and give it a game plan to follow in the few months he has until the World Cup. I don’t see any other coaches as options for it tbh but pivac can’t stay 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 12:34am
Tupric not fully fit but not only played but was caotain and our only line out option. Pivac and his selections are bizarre


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 12:44am
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Tupric not fully fit but not only played but was caotain and our only line out option. Pivac and his selections are bizarre
Why do you say he isn’t fully fit? He’s played every match this autumn. 


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 12:44am
Originally posted by Lincscarlet Lincscarlet wrote:

Thing is tipuric shouldn’t even have been in the wales squad. Thomas young is the form 7 after jac Morgan, and josh gives us far more physicality- what turnovers did tips get in the entire series? 

Giving away needless yellows is the MO for wales. I hate to go backwards, because for all his success gats had a lot of downsides, but he’d at least organise a team and give it a game plan to follow in the few months he has until the World Cup. I don’t see any other coaches as options for it tbh but pivac can’t stay 
I thought Tipuric played quite well until that stupid trip. 


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 12:56am
Originally posted by Grammar School Boy Grammar School Boy wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Priestland didn't come on as a result of Pivac not knowing what he's doing. It was more to do with I don't think Anscombe can play rugby with one arm. 

Why wasn't Costellow brought on?
He probably thought that Priestland was the safe option to come on and close out the game. Costelow came on last weekend when the scores were close and it didn’t turn out well. 

Pivac was desperate for a win and went for the experienced over the youthful option.


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 1:00am
Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Tupric not fully fit but not only played but was caotain and our only line out option. Pivac and his selections are bizarre
Why do you say he isn’t fully fit? He’s played every match this autumn. 
cos hes played 100 minutes in what 16 months pre thus series?


Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 7:27am
Beard, tipuric shouldnt been picked. No form what so ever. Liabilities. Jac should have been 7 with morriaty at 6. Good balanced backrow with young or josh on bench. Seb davies at SR with rowlands or AWJ with carter or jenkins on bench. Chris T next on the line. Cant bring Gatland back as that would be another backward setp. Look for long term. Borthwick has done a stellar job at Lecister.

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 7:56am
I agree with RR about Tipuric. When he was named captain I thought then that Pivac had hamstrung his selections as in all probability Tipuric would not have been first choice at 6,7 or 8. His trip was sheer stupidity. Not too many positives to take out of the Autumn but there are a few. Dillon Lewis has improved his scrummaging and his other work around the field has seen him move ahead of Francis.

Ken Owens still retains the fire and ability to cut it at this level - well done Ken. Tschiunza & Jenkins have moved ahead of Carter for me. Jac Morgan star of the series in my book. Hawkins I thought had a very tidy debut & showed more than enough to be in serious contention for the 6 nations. Rio Dyer equally does not look out of place. Giving Adams & LRZ time at 15, despite protestations by many, was the right call & will give us some much needed options going forward. 

Time & injury have I am afraid caught up with Halfpenny & Cuthbert & they should be eased out of future squads with many thanks for their service. Equally Tipuric's position should not be ring fenced - Reffell, Morgan & McLoud will push him very hard. I would love to see a starting back row in the first 6 nations game of 6. Tschiunza, 7. Morgan 8. Faletau with McLoud on the bench unless Tipuric gets back to his brilliant best.

Judging from the comments being made by Warburton & Jamie Roberts, boys who lets face it have direct contact with many squad members, it seems pretty clear that the players have no confidence in the coaching team or parts of it. Gatland is trying to be very diplomatic but I think a 9/10 month stint as a saviour to his beloved Welsh rugby would seriously appeal to both his ego & pocket. 


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 8:06am
Gatland has hardly been successful since his departure. I do understand the appeal of going back to someone who brought a lot of success if in a limited style. After the ups and downs of recent times, some predictability would soothe fans worries although not necessarily bring any more success. Whether a motivational fear of god type input is what we’re missing is anyone’s guess.

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 8:20am
Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Gatland has hardly been successful since his departure. I do understand the appeal of going back to someone who brought a lot of success if in a limited style. After the ups and downs of recent times, some predictability would soothe fans worries although not necessarily bring any more success. Whether a motivational fear of god type input is what we’re missing is anyone’s guess.

I think its more to do with availability. His time with the Lions messed up his coaching role and ended with a  move upstairs which you could read as being a compromise. He is on record as stating that he would love a chance to coach at International level again. Most coaches will be contracted to season ends so tempting Gatland would look, on the face of it, one of the easier options. 

I would not suggest that Gatland would suddenly turn round our fortunes but he would bring that level of hard nosed expectation to his selections and preparations. He may, of course, be eyeing up a different option namely a long term contract with England running from 01/12/2022 to the end of the 2027 World Cup. Surely fast Eddie must be feeling as much heat as Pivac today after that pretty abject performance from England. Jones is reportedly on £800K p.a. - perfect top up to Gatland's pension fund as he moves through his sixties. 


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 8:36am
If pivac had a shred of dignity he would not wait to be sacked.


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 8:47am
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

If pivac had a shred of dignity he would not wait to be sacked.
Why should he do that when those above him operate the way they do?

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Posted By: Scrletsfan32x
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 8:52am
I don’t think Gatland or Tandy are the right options, we have to be ambitious and beat the other big guns to Robertson. Knowing the WRU we will end up with the cheapest option available in order to save money for the new walkway above the stadium.


Posted By: Gate12
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 8:57am
I'm guessing the wru have a plan for post wc which doesn't involve pivac so unless they're able to bring that forward then Wayne Smith would be the best option.

The chiefs moved gatland aside from coaching because he's looking a bit stale and he wouldn't have Sean Edwards and McBryde alongside him.


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 9:01am
Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

If pivac had a shred of dignity he would not wait to be sacked.
Why should he do that when those above him operate the way they do?
Yes the one's above him are culpable for a lot of things but those people were there during Gatlands tenure we have no clear game plan other than kick or go into contact our back play is non existent and we have lost to Italy and Georgia during the last 12 months with him in charge and blown a 20 point lead at home.


Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 9:25am
unfortunately Gatland is the only one who can save the face untill the next RWC...in the meanewhile should be good reorganize all the system and find a coach for a new project...
Robertson will be difficoult to sign, considering the different ambitious, England going bad as Wales


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 9:53am
Gatland without Edwards is toast with no marmite.


Posted By: Gate12
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 9:58am
Indeed, I'd be amazed if Robertson isn't either NZ or England coach post wc, he doesn't just want to coach at international level, he wants to win, so those are his best options.

Smith has just done what we'd want, a 6 months job.


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 10:21am
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

If pivac had a shred of dignity he would not wait to be sacked.
I doubt he’s a millionaire so expecting someone to forego a payoff of a few hundred grand for ‘dignity’ is ridiculous. He has to do what’s best for his family and try and set himself up for his retirement. The WRU handed him the 4 year contract and I’m sure he’s tried his best so he has nothing to be ashamed of. 


Posted By: Kentexile
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 10:41am
Gatland and Mooar head and deputy with Mooar focusing on attack/skills. I doubt if the WRU will buy out Tandy’s contract nor that he would leave to be part of what could be a short term coaching ticket to the World Cup so  Gethin Jenkins stays on as defence coach.Neil.  Jenkins stays too as someone needs to know where the tea bags are kept and Ioan Cunningham who is employed by the WRU as forwards coach .


Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 10:55am
Originally posted by Kentexile Kentexile wrote:

Gatland and Mooar head and deputy with Mooar focusing on attack/skills. I doubt if the WRU will buy out Tandy’s contract nor that he would leave to be part of what could be a short term coaching ticket to the World Cup so  Gethin Jenkins stays on as defence coach.Neil.  Jenkins stays too as someone needs to know where the tea bags are kept and Ioan Cunningham who is employed by the WRU as forwards coach .

I like your thinking, Gatland for some form of continuity, with Brad Mooar as assistant/backs/attack coach.


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 10:56am
Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

If pivac had a shred of dignity he would not wait to be sacked.
I doubt he’s a millionaire so expecting someone to forego a payoff of a few hundred grand for ‘dignity’ is ridiculous. He has to do what’s best for his family and try and set himself up for his retirement. The WRU handed him the 4 year contract and I’m sure he’s tried his best so he has nothing to be ashamed of. 
he has been rubbish bar a 1 month period but he won’t resign and neither would i if i was in his position tbh


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 10:57am
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Wales played well. Two players let the team down there one of them the captain. They lost us the game. I don't think you can blame Pivac for Tipurics blatant trip on a player. 
tbh i don’t think you blame tupriv for pivacs subs tactics and selections eitherWink

Tbh I can't remember did he make the subs before the yellow cards?


Posted By: Gate12
Date Posted: 27 November 2022 at 11:59am
Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

If pivac had a shred of dignity he would not wait to be sacked.
I doubt he’s a millionaire so expecting someone to forego a payoff of a few hundred grand for ‘dignity’ is ridiculous. He has to do what’s best for his family and try and set himself up for his retirement. The WRU handed him the 4 year contract and I’m sure he’s tried his best so he has nothing to be ashamed of. 

Ledesma did what he thought was best for Argentina and walked away, it's rare but it does happen.



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