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Topic: Football World Cup.
Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Subject: Football World Cup.
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 8:12am
Not really that interested in this tournament frankly but I want to wish our boys the very best today against Iran. 



Replies:
Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 9:27am
They've completely nicked and overplayed Yma o Hyd. 

But yes good luck to them, good people talking about Wales so much.


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 9:36am
Can't say they've overplayed it but I'll be honest I took my son to the play off semi final as he is football mad & the atmosphere there was better than any I have experienced at the Principality in recent memory.


Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 11:47am
Not really into football but Iran were way better than I expected. 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 12:46pm
Wales were dreadful page the new pivacWinkWink


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 1:40pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Wales were dreadful page the new pivacWinkWink
Shame about the last 5 minutes or so with the sending off of the goalie and then 2 goals in injury time! ( although 2 nil was a reflection of the two sides and it could have been 4 nil ). I think we are now focusing quickly on our England game and at least looking to Wales putting in a decent performance as we have to face our English friends afterwards 🙏😉


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 1:43pm
Iran deserved that, and played better than against ENG, but Wales were poor.
We got out of jail V USA, but chickens came home tp roost today. This is the best squad of players we have had for a while and have done well to get us there.
Realistically though, Wales football have a smaller pool of talent available than our Rugby (and that's saying something) LOL !

Too dependent on Aaron Ramsey and Gareth Bale, both anonymous (particularly Ramsey), and neither up to the rigorous demands of the tournament, as both have had continual injury problems and do not play regularly.
To add to that, quite a few other players in the Wales team, do not play enough top-class REGULAR football, and in a tournament like this you will be found out.

Page has done well with this squad up till now, but again his limitations have been exposed.
after an almost car crash 1st game, you would have thought, hang on system is'nt working, and individuals struggling within that framework.
I have said before that page is conservative and won't think on his feet. well, he needed to, and he didn't.
The system with wing backs and midfield set up with 3 central defenders, has worked well before, but was found to be creaking against USA, so you have to adapt.
Apadadu was only performer for me in midfield, so maybe gamble on Allen, otherwise he shouldn't have been there at all.
The players with the most pace, James and Johnson were on the side-lines, and should have started.
Page was also too slow to respond as well, when legs were tiring, and replacements needed.

Could be embarrassing against England, unless we perform better, and changes are made.
Aaron Ramsey, on the bench for me at best. His race is run I'm afraid.
He has been a brilliant player and at his best dazzling, injuries and age have caught up.
Gareth Bale, not far behind I am afraid, but clearly, he is one of the best Welsh sportsmen I have seen in my lifetime. Despite our disappointment today, would like to thank both Aaron and Gareth for their contributions of the years.


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Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 2:27pm
Wales population 3 million
USA population  332 million
Iran population  80 million

Looking at those figures we over achieved big time against USA
and losing only 2 nil, over achieved against Iran.  So well done Wales in even getting there in the first place.


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Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 2:42pm
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Wales population 3 million
USA population  332 million
Iran population  80 million

Looking at those figures we over achieved big time against USA
and losing only 2 nil, over achieved against Iran.  So well done Wales in even getting there in the first place.

If it was that straightforward every world cup final would be India v. China.

Football is the most popular sport in Wales, in the US it's behind at least four (NFL, hockey, basketball, baseball) but you're right, it is a large place and football is getting bigger there. Can't speak for Iran but I'd imagine infrastructure in Wales is better. Looking at number of professionals would be more useful, but Wales takes loads from England with a Welsh relative.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 2:57pm
I don't think Wales mastered the conditions at all. Long and/or diagonal and inaccurate balls to chase in 30 degree heat ( and it's oven hot not humidity hot...I was there on Wednesday for a layover..) is not the way to go. It also needs to have starting 11 that is fit and/or young.

The senior players to come on after an hour or so, or earlier if things go wrong.

Bale was at walking pace after an hour, and although Ramsey looked fitter, he had a very poor game.


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 3:36pm
We were in  a tough group we need goalscorers who are prolific we have not got them  our defence has let us down Joe Allen got to do better  in clearing  

Referee had no choice but to send Hennessy off 


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 5:44pm
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Wales population 3 million
USA population  332 million
Iran population  80 million

Looking at those figures we over achieved big time against USA
and losing only 2 nil, over achieved against Iran.  So well done Wales in even getting there in the first place.

I don't get this thing about population that people are using during the competition. That's like saying it's ok Georgia beat Wales in the rugby because their population is bigger. Is football the main sport in America then. 


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 5:54pm
Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Wales population 3 million
USA population  332 million
Iran population  80 million

Looking at those figures we over achieved big time against USA
and losing only 2 nil, over achieved against Iran.  So well done Wales in even getting there in the first place.

If it was that straightforward every world cup final would be India v. China.

Football is the most popular sport in Wales, in the US it's behind at least four (NFL, hockey, basketball, baseball) but you're right, it is a large place and football is getting bigger there. Can't speak for Iran but I'd imagine infrastructure in Wales is better. Looking at number of professionals would be more useful, but Wales takes loads from England with a Welsh relative.

Absolutely correct, it was an abysmal performance from Wales and unacceptable.
If the rugby team performed like that, we would be going bananas!

 To get there was amazing,
First time in my life I have seen a Welsh team in a tournament like this, so proud!
Having said that, it's the worst I have seen Wales playing in consecutive games.
As i said in the earlier post, there has been too much reliance on Ramsey and Bale for a while now, so Obviously the priority now is to blood some new talent to ensure that we make it to the next world cup, so this is not a "One off".

Page has also to take it on the chin for some poor decisions and real inflexibility.
Going forward he must learn from this.
Players are often comfortable with systems and patterns of playing, including formations.
To get us to WC, we have relied on 3 centre backs, supported by 2 wing backs and two midfielders.
That relied hugely on Joe Allen's ability to cover, and hold that deeper midfield, particularly as Ramsey is usually bombing up field. Apadau, did well as can be expected in this role, but without a fully fit Allen the back three were exposed time and again.
Page should have seen this coming but didn't.
I agree with Danny Gabbidon and play a 442 formation.
Whatever system we are playing, if people aren't delivering, you're on the ropes.
After saying that a different formation would have taken the pressure off us.

As a sports fan its tough sometimes, Wales rugby, football, scarlets...losing the will to live !Confused


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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 9:44pm
Can I say I have no idea about football, or most other things, but that post sounded as one of the best informative descriptions I have ever read... I've no idea if it's correct but I read it it 3x and I'm very impressed..... One, if not the best sports analysis I have ever seen..... You should consider it as a profession .....not often seen in these parts

Brilliant

LlongyfarchiadauClap


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 10:05pm
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Can I say I have no idea about football, or most other things, but that post sounded as one of the best informative descriptions I have ever read... I've no idea if it's correct but I read it it 3x and I'm very impressed..... One, if not the best sports analysis I have ever seen..... You should consider it as a profession .....not often seen in these parts

Brilliant

LlongyfarchiadauClap
The Oracle- How come you never give me glowing compliments for my erudite writing?! 🤨😁


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 10:20pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Can I say I have no idea about football, or most other things, but that post sounded as one of the best informative descriptions I have ever read... I've no idea if it's correct but I read it it 3x and I'm very impressed..... One, if not the best sports analysis I have ever seen..... You should consider it as a profession .....not often seen in these parts

Brilliant

LlongyfarchiadauClap
The Oracle- How come you never give me glowing compliments for my erudite writing?! 🤨😁
The answer might be illuminating, if not necessarily entirely accurate or deserved.

And if he tries to pass off giving you the Nobbled Prize, with or without a K preceding it, dont give him any quarter.


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In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind.


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 10:33pm
Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Wales population 3 million
USA population  332 million
Iran population  80 million

Looking at those figures we over achieved big time against USA
and losing only 2 nil, over achieved against Iran.  So well done Wales in even getting there in the first place.

If it was that straightforward every world cup final would be India v. China.

Football is the most popular sport in Wales, in the US it's behind at least four (NFL, hockey, basketball, baseball) but you're right, it is a large place and football is getting bigger there. Can't speak for Iran but I'd imagine infrastructure in Wales is better. Looking at number of professionals would be more useful, but Wales takes loads from England with a Welsh relative.

Absolutely correct, it was an abysmal performance from Wales and unacceptable.
If the rugby team performed like that, we would be going bananas!

 To get there was amazing,
First time in my life I have seen a Welsh team in a tournament like this, so proud!
Having said that, it's the worst I have seen Wales playing in consecutive games.
As i said in the earlier post, there has been too much reliance on Ramsey and Bale for a while now, so Obviously the priority now is to blood some new talent to ensure that we make it to the next world cup, so this is not a "One off".

Page has also to take it on the chin for some poor decisions and real inflexibility.
Going forward he must learn from this.
Players are often comfortable with systems and patterns of playing, including formations.
To get us to WC, we have relied on 3 centre backs, supported by 2 wing backs and two midfielders.
That relied hugely on Joe Allen's ability to cover, and hold that deeper midfield, particularly as Ramsey is usually bombing up field. Apadau, did well as can be expected in this role, but without a fully fit Allen the back three were exposed time and again.
Page should have seen this coming but didn't.
I agree with Danny Gabbidon and play a 442 formation.
Whatever system we are playing, if people aren't delivering, you're on the ropes.
After saying that a different formation would have taken the pressure off us.

As a sports fan its tough sometimes, Wales rugby, football, scarlets...losing the will to live !Confused
Tough is an understatement for today.

After such a long time after the previous time we made the World Cup, it is a risk that some of the folk there will have been carried away by just being there.

Our management and players are fresh faced at this level of competition so with that lack of experience at the largest event in the footie calendar, it’s no surprise that there have been imperfections and mistakes in our 2 games.

You’d like to think that for the next campaign, some more experience will be brought in onto the sidelines. It’ll need to work wonders without Bale & Ramsay in the squad.

We’d love a win over England and somehow the Iran v USA result going our way so that we qualify so that we can qualify out of the group. Somehow, it seems too difficult a puzzle and that’s precisely where we need the Oracle’s clear thinking abilities as long as he isn’t allergic to Oxford commas


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In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind.


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 10:34pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Can I say I have no idea about football, or most other things, but that post sounded as one of the best informative descriptions I have ever read... I've no idea if it's correct but I read it it 3x and I'm very impressed..... One, if not the best sports analysis I have ever seen..... You should consider it as a profession .....not often seen in these parts

Brilliant

LlongyfarchiadauClap
The Oracle- How come you never give me glowing compliments for my erudite writing?! 🤨😁

The rewards of your diction are to earned like the prolateriate of the salt mines of lake Baikal ...achievementd will be given , but the time and place has yet to be decided ....easy accolades are worthless accolades my friend Big smile


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 25 November 2022 at 10:46pm
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Can I say I have no idea about football, or most other things, but that post sounded as one of the best informative descriptions I have ever read... I've no idea if it's correct but I read it it 3x and I'm very impressed..... One, if not the best sports analysis I have ever seen..... You should consider it as a profession .....not often seen in these parts

Brilliant

LlongyfarchiadauClap
The Oracle- How come you never give me glowing compliments for my erudite writing?! 🤨😁

The rewards of your diction are to earned like the prolateriate of the salt mines of lake Baikal ...achievementd will be given , but the time and place has yet to be decided ....easy accolades are worthless accolades my friend Big smile

Come on Oracle work a miracle..so we can get out of the group PLEASE WinkLOL


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Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 11:25am
Wales were well beaten by Iran.  When I saw the draw for the World Cup I believed that we would get 6 points out of the first 2 games and that it would then put the pressure on England in the final game.
Unfortunately I thought that we would get one more good tournament out of Ramsey, Bale and joe Allen, but it’s clear to see that as much as they have carried the hopes of the nation in the past two euros, this is a tournament too far for them.  
Bale and Ramsey have been pretty much nonexistent for a majority of the 2 games (although Bale did score the equaliser against the USA.
Joe Allen did sit in front of the defence when he came on, and sured up that area, but showed his lack of match fitness and concentration by completely messing up his clearance which fell to the Iranian player to score the first goal, before losing out to the Iranian winger who then broke downfield to set up the second goal.
I’m glad that those three players have had a chance to play in a World Cup, but Page no needs to rebuild using the younger players within his squad, he may also need to look at checking out the eligibility of players who currently are not attached to international teams, as we are not blessed with an endless number of players who play in the top leagues of Europe.  This may see wales struggle to qualify for future tournaments in the short term but I believe that it has to happen.
It was interesting listening to Jergen Klinsmann yesterday, he called it correctly.  He stated that Iran would be in the face of the referee throughout the match and that they would leave a bit of themselves in the Welsh players at every opportunity, knowing that South American referees usually don’t pay too much attention to foul play.  That was clear to see throughout the game as the referee concluded that Hennessy’s challenge only warranted a yellow, only to be told to look at it again by VAR.
The number of times Nico Williams was taken out (without even getting a free kick or producing a yellow card) was incredibly.  The Iranian defender had 2 kicks at Keifer Moore’s face (accidentally) in the first half, and Bale took an elbow to the face when he tried to get around a player (again nothing was given).



Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 26 November 2022 at 2:45pm
Very Sad News 

Sat 26 Nov 2022 07.29 EST
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A Wales football fan has died while following his country at the  https://www.theguardian.com/football/world-cup-football" rel="nofollow - World Cup  in Qatar.

Kevin Davies, who is believed to have been in the country with his son and friends, died on Friday – the same day that  https://www.theguardian.com/uk/wales" rel="nofollow - Wales  lost to Iran in a group stage game at the Ahmad bin Ali stadium in Al Rayyan.

The 62-year-old, from Pembrokeshire, was on holiday in Doha according to BBC Wales, who reported that he died from natural causes. He was not at Wales’ group B fixture.

His family are being offered UK consular assistance and support by the Football Supporters’ Association Cymru



Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 29 November 2022 at 6:58pm
I know it's disrespectful but the English (and British) anthem is truly the pootest song ever. 


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 29 November 2022 at 10:08pm
Wales predictably exited the world cup, with what we beforehand expected, was a comprehensive defeat.
In fairness, despite creating very little indeed, we were able to stifle the English in the 1st half, and they were probably a little frustrated.
The problem being, as in any sport, if you invite pressure, you are going to get hurt at some point, and that what happened in the end!
England have so much quality, on and off the field, regarding squad depth, that it's inevitable, that they would at some stage take one of the opportunities! 

The damage was done in the Iran game.
In 2016, we had key men Bale, Ramsey, Allen, 6 years younger, fitter, and playing more regularly.
Time has caught up with these guys, and we cannot get away from it, this was a miserable world cup
for Wales.

The secret I believe is now to build on this and not blithely accept the romantic notion, we are a small nation and it "nice" we can appear in these things, once in a while!

Uruguay is a small country, with a population, not much bigger than Wales, yet they are competing in their 5th world cup.
The FAW , need to be proactive now to ensure development takes place, so the next generations of Gareth Bale take shape.

I still believe we have a nucleus of players that, despite the bitter taste that failure brings, will have learned to be on this stage, and the likes of Neco Williams, Connor Roberts, Joe Rodon, Apadu, Johnson, James, etc, will be around for a while. and hopefully will form the nucleus of the next Wales major tournament push.
|Hopefully we can push on with optimism.

Finally, we probably soon, will have to get used to relying on moments of sheer magic from Ramsey and Bale. Both have been poor in this tournament, but we must be thankful for the stardust they have sprinkled, contributing to a mini-Renaissance in Welsh football.
For that we shall always be grateful. We shall miss them




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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 29 November 2022 at 10:25pm
Sentimemt ruled instead of common sense bald and ramsey legends of welsh football but both miles off form and match fitness both were shocking in our 3 games and we ended up playing with 9 men. Weak management tbh


Posted By: Sosban89
Date Posted: 29 November 2022 at 10:50pm
Probably the beginning of a long recession for Wales. 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 30 November 2022 at 5:15am
One tournament too far for players that have been great servants to Welsh football sadly.

We have over achieved because of them over the last decade, but, like many countries of our size, we have a decent team once every few generations.


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 30 November 2022 at 8:48am
Outclassed & outplayed really, our second half performance reminded me of the way the US wilted against us in the first game.

Hopefully the core of the team can come together now & build. We don't have a bad Euros qualifying group & the next World Cup will be made up of 48 teams so fingers crossed.


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 30 November 2022 at 9:20am
Qatar was a tough ask....The heat, 3 days in 8 days, the alien envirnment, the first world cup in 64 years and a few greats not match fit..hats off to england I thought they were superb, so many threats with youth on their side who knows if they can go all the way?

This welsh generation  have had 2 true greats, but theyve also had a great work rate and unity and tremendous team spirit with the likes of ashley williams, neco williams , joe allen etc 

Wales always produce quality players, some world class players each generation...The 80s and 90s we had hughes, rush, southall, giggs, ratcliffe, saunders etc all absolute class players yet somehow never quite made a major....So we need to keep this spirit, this unity.....Rushie said the winnings from this tremendous world cup adventure will be pumped back into the community game with guys like him as welsh FA ambassadors I feel confident....
Bale and ramsey can go on as long as they like as far as Im concerned...who knows maybe they can have a golden summer if they tinker with their game the way giggs did in his latter career. Several youngsters were exposed to world cup experience last night and hopefully they can build on that.......I think page will continue,  though he may get some assistance perhaps even from bale and ramsey in a newly created role? Giggs is a tainted figure , it will be interesting to see if he ever returns to coaching, he has such a vast well of knowledge/experience to call upon but he has no one to blame but himself 

Huge credit to toshack and gary speed for building the foundations of this squad in the first place...The way they scouted the world for any welsh talent and the bravery to give youth a chance is something to aspire to in future...3 major tournaments in 6 years is a truly golden era and long may it continue...The players and fans met up post match for a rousing anthem and we go again in marchClap


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Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 30 November 2022 at 11:52am
Still don't get the population side of thing people are going on about. New Zealand has a small population. They do well in sport. 


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 30 November 2022 at 11:59am
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Still don't get the population side of thing people are going on about. New Zealand has a small population. They do well in sport. 

Agree very over used reason for non performance. If it had that much bearing then they may as well give all titles to China with India & USA as runners up. Playing population for any given sport is of far greater significance. 


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 30 November 2022 at 7:06pm
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

Qatar was a tough ask....The heat, 3 days in 8 days, the alien envirnment, the first world cup in 64 years and a few greats not match fit..hats off to england I thought they were superb, so many threats with youth on their side who knows if they can go all the way?

This welsh generation  have had 2 true greats, but theyve also had a great work rate and unity and tremendous team spirit with the likes of ashley williams, neco williams , joe allen etc 

Wales always produce quality players, some world class players each generation...The 80s and 90s we had hughes, rush, southall, giggs, ratcliffe, saunders etc all absolute class players yet somehow never quite made a major....So we need to keep this spirit, this unity.....Rushie said the winnings from this tremendous world cup adventure will be pumped back into the community game with guys like him as welsh FA ambassadors I feel confident....
Bale and ramsey can go on as long as they like as far as Im concerned...who knows maybe they can have a golden summer if they tinker with their game the way giggs did in his latter career. Several youngsters were exposed to world cup experience last night and hopefully they can build on that.......I think page will continue,  though he may get some assistance perhaps even from bale and ramsey in a newly created role? Giggs is a tainted figure , it will be interesting to see if he ever returns to coaching, he has such a vast well of knowledge/experience to call upon but he has no one to blame but himself 

Huge credit to toshack and gary speed for building the foundations of this squad in the first place...The way they scouted the world for any welsh talent and the bravery to give youth a chance is something to aspire to in future...3 major tournaments in 6 years is a truly golden era and long may it continue...The players and fans met up post match for a rousing anthem and we go again in marchClap

Excellent post Roy, spot on with all you say here.

Wales need to go again, as you say, and don't take this as a one-off adventure.
As SA14 and GPR are correct to say, population, is no barrier to success, just look at Uruguay, and how many World cups they have competed in!
We must organise and work harder to achieve our goal for putting Wales on the world stage more often.
Too many people accept failure too easily.


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Posted By: Sir Duckling Tuft
Date Posted: 09 December 2022 at 6:02pm
Little croatia is a great inspiration to small [beep]ries like ours...3.8 million just beat mighty brazils 214 million
On the field its 11 v 11 and with the likes of modric driving them to the end,  their sheer determination and organization somehow saw them to victory and a world cup semi
Im backing the argies or dutch to win the cup....but who dare right off the croats now?


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Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 09 December 2022 at 6:19pm
Would not be surprised if England beat France tomorrow night 


Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 10 December 2022 at 9:20pm
Ingerland are out of the World Cup.  Beaten by France in a great game.
The commentary and punditry has been shocking all match, England were robbed, they would have smashed Morocco if the got through, it was a missed opportunity etc.
England played well second half but the bottom line was they didn’t create enough chances, their only clear cut chances came from the penalty spot and I’m gutted that Harry Kane missed the second one (being a spurs fan).


Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 10 December 2022 at 9:57pm
Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

Ingerland are out of the World Cup.  Beaten by France in a great game.
The commentary and punditry has been shocking all match, England were robbed, they would have smashed Morocco if the got through, it was a missed opportunity etc.
England played well second half but the bottom line was they didn’t create enough chances, their only clear cut chances came from the penalty spot and I’m gutted that Harry Kane missed the second one (being a spurs fan).

Sorry but I didn't  think it was a great game. France showed no ambition to take the game to England. England showed more intent than France and were undone by Kane missing the penalty.  Neither side looked good enough to win the World Cup.  I hope someone beats Argentina, their behaviour against Netherlands was disgusting.


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Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 10 December 2022 at 10:31pm
England better team I thought should have won Harry Maguire should have scored with header

Thought Morroco were superb and well organised against Portugal 


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 10 December 2022 at 10:37pm
Average game to watch as a neutral. The referee gave England very little but England didn’t create enough chances either .Just as well Kane as a whitey missed the penalty and not a Rashford or the racial trolling would probably be off again. 


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 10 December 2022 at 10:54pm
The problem in UK,  the media builds it all up to hysteria., then look for scapegoats, when things go wrong ! It was the same in Wales, and we were total flops .
It's a disgrace that pundits  say it would be a" missed  opportunity " if England had gone through.Hang on there.,Morocco  are there by right,after deservingly beating two heavyweights in Spain and Portugal. 
If France think it's a straight Run to  the final...think again ..Morocco  are a formidable opponent,  even though  the French  will start obviously  favourites !
I agree with GREYPOWER, anyone to win this except the Argies..appalling behaviour in QF against Dutch. They have have been consistently been experts at cheating at major tournaments for years, and are now hiding behind Messi's brilliance. Scumbags 
'Come on Croatia'!


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Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 10 December 2022 at 11:34pm
I wonder what odds you’d have got at the start of the tournament for a Croatia verses Morocco final.


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 11 December 2022 at 4:34am
France to win it , they are like Toulouse in the rugby ...they could beat sides by a big score but choose instead to do just enough .....After Wales were knocked out the saes press expected us to automatically support engerland...I wonder how many English fans are now going to support France seeing that France are their close neighbours...chware teg achgen Big smile


Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 11 December 2022 at 8:52am
Not a football fan but thought England did well yesterday as France are a better team but it was close on the day. Mbappe was neutralised but then Greismann was so influential, plus both their goals were technically amazing: that strike from a defensive midfielder and then that cross to Giroud, wow. England applied long periods of pressure but a sometimes panicky French defence didn't allow true chances. Lloris made a couple of big saves to bail out his centre backs. I don't think you can rely on winning penalties to score, even if they actually won three but for a weird decision, and England simply don't create enough plus their crossing wasn't good yesterday. They lack that creative midfielder (or drop back no 10) player that can beat players one on one and put others in and this costs them against the big teams. 


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 11 December 2022 at 8:57am
Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Not a football fan but thought England did well yesterday as France are a better team but it was close on the day. Mbappe was neutralised but then Greismann was so influential, plus both their goals were technically amazing: that strike from a defensive midfielder and then that cross to Giroud, wow. England applied long periods of pressure but a sometimes panicky French defence didn't allow true chances. Lloris made a couple of big saves to bail out his centre backs. I don't think you can rely on winning penalties to score, even if they actually won three but for a weird decision, and England simply don't create enough plus their crossing wasn't good yesterday. They lack that creative midfielder (or drop back no 10) player that can beat players one on one and put others in and this costs them against the big teams. 

The English football pundits really are over the top. France were missing 4/5 top starters in their team including ballon D'Or winner Benzema & Pogba. Southgate completely missed a trick by not giving Maddison, the best play maker in the squad, any time at all. 


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 11 December 2022 at 9:53am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by dr_martinov dr_martinov wrote:

Not a football fan but thought England did well yesterday as France are a better team but it was close on the day. Mbappe was neutralised but then Greismann was so influential, plus both their goals were technically amazing: that strike from a defensive midfielder and then that cross to Giroud, wow. England applied long periods of pressure but a sometimes panicky French defence didn't allow true chances. Lloris made a couple of big saves to bail out his centre backs. I don't think you can rely on winning penalties to score, even if they actually won three but for a weird decision, and England simply don't create enough plus their crossing wasn't good yesterday. They lack that creative midfielder (or drop back no 10) player that can beat players one on one and put others in and this costs them against the big teams. 

The English football pundits really are over the top. France were missing 4/5 top starters in their team including ballon D'Or winner Benzema & Pogba. Southgate completely missed a trick by not giving Maddison, the best play maker in the squad, any time at all. 

For someone not claiming to be a football fan Dr Martinov is very astute & accurate with his comments .
A combination  of what he,  and GPR have said is spot on.
English  pundits moaning after the game , Jermaine Jenas being one.
Why doesn't he just go back to the "One Show", where he belongs!
"GUTTED" he said, well yes, if Wales were in that position,  I would be too.Thing is ,when he, and many other English pundits  go on about the ref and that England were the better side...hang on, you LOST!
As my asteemed  SF colleagues  have indicated  above,they lost because they did not create  enough, and more importantly,  did not convert the opportunities  they had.
Sport ,at any level,  but particularly at the top  end,  is all about taking chances, France did that, though  they probably  would  admit  were second best for large parts of that game.
After saying all the above, I am very disappointed  for Jordan Henderson.Being a Liverpool  fan,and having met Jordan I can safely say, that he is as humble and as great a human being, as he is a player. Unlike Saka, Rushford,Stones,etc, he won't have another chance.GPR is right, maybe Madison should have started, and would be great foil for Jordan.
You also have to feel for Harry Kane, another decent  guy, and great  player.That miss will haunt him forever.
After the first pen,felt confident  he would put it away, but hey, that's the pressure of the situation. 
Mohammad Salah has rarely  missed a pen.If in doubt hit it at pace and put it down the centre.Seen Mo do that so many times.,and that's what I was thinking  Harry would do.
Anyway, it's over now,, so I will be dusting off my Tommy Cooper fez,
and shouting "Come on Morocco "....just like that!LOL


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Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 11 December 2022 at 10:14am
Reading the comments of others, many are critical of Southgate tactically, particularly his use of subs. Grealish must be half decent and I gather is a dribbler playmaker type? Bring him on earlier. Southgate's subs didn't make an impact, even I noticed that. England being a top ten side is fair but they are missing a star player or managerial nouse to get the wins over those better than them. But lack of development of English playmakers comfortable on the ball has been an issue forever, Prem sides were buying French, Spanish etc. talent for these roles to achieve success. That costs England at the international level if they can't utilise wingers and cross to a big target man, which Kane isn't despite his other qualities. 


Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 11 December 2022 at 10:33am
I agree about the non selection of Madison, he’s been consistently the most creative midfield player in the Premiership (English qualified) for a number of years, but doesn’t seem to be seen so by Southgate.
He seems to prefer players like Grealish, who just seems to fall over at the slighting touch - the most fouled player in the Premiership.  Madison gives you creativity and his end product is usually top draw, his crosses usually find their target and he’s very good from dead ball positions.
Kane, throughout the tournament (as well as at spurs) finds himself dropping deep to get the ball, and due to his all round play, often ends up being the most creative player in the team, but this means that he isn’t in the forefront of the attack.  
Kane will have another World Cup in him, as will most of the squad, with the exception of Henderson.
What’s frightening about the French side is despite the lack of interest in really taking the game to England last night, they still seemed to pick up their game enough to just score when needed. Add that to the fact that they left so many world class players at home due to injury.


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 11 December 2022 at 11:32am
I'm with France now ...all the waytolifying the trophie 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 11 December 2022 at 12:02pm
Morocco for me.


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 11 December 2022 at 1:21pm
Originally posted by Legendinmybathroom Legendinmybathroom wrote:

I agree about the non selection of Madison, he’s been consistently the most creative midfield player in the Premiership (English qualified) for a number of years, but doesn’t seem to be seen so by Southgate.
He seems to prefer players like Grealish, who just seems to fall over at the slighting touch - the most fouled player in the Premiership.  Madison gives you creativity and his end product is usually top draw, his crosses usually find their target and he’s very good from dead ball positions.
Kane, throughout the tournament (as well as at spurs) finds himself dropping deep to get the ball, and due to his all round play, often ends up being the most creative player in the team, but this means that he isn’t in the forefront of the attack.  
Kane will have another World Cup in him, as will most of the squad, with the exception of Henderson.
What’s frightening about the French side is despite the lack of interest in really taking the game to England last night, they still seemed to pick up their game enough to just score when needed. Add that to the fact that they left so many world class players at home due to injury.

Interesting this one Legend,  as I went up to see the Liverpool v Spurs , earlier this season(whichv won, unexpectedly).It was a backs to wall performance,  from us. Was surprised  how deep Harry played, sometimes,it worked as he was'nt always picked up,


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Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 11 December 2022 at 2:21pm
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

France to win it , they are like Toulouse in the rugby ...they could beat sides by a big score but choose instead to do just enough .....After Wales were knocked out the saes press expected us to automatically support engerland...I wonder how many English fans are now going to support France seeing that France are their close neighbours...chware teg achgen Big smile

Totally agree about France. Been saying all tournament England hadn't played anyone of note....


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Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 11 December 2022 at 2:23pm
Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

The problem in UK,  the media builds it all up to hysteria., then look for scapegoats, when things go wrong ! It was the same in Wales, and we were total flops .
It's a disgrace that pundits  say it would be a" missed  opportunity " if England had gone through.Hang on there.,Morocco  are there by right,after deservingly beating two heavyweights in Spain and Portugal. 
If France think it's a straight Run to  the final...think again ..Morocco  are a formidable opponent,  even though  the French  will start obviously  favourites !
I agree with GREYPOWER, anyone to win this except the Argies..appalling behaviour in QF against Dutch. They have have been consistently been experts at cheating at major tournaments for years, and are now hiding behind Messi's brilliance. Scumbags 
'Come on Croatia'!

Agree missed opportunities....France haven't got out of first gear yet.....they scored creative goals England went looking for penalties....as I've said they are better teams in this World Cup.




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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 11 December 2022 at 2:38pm
they could have scored 1 more it was 20/1 and worth £105 to me Cry


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 11 December 2022 at 2:40pm
Winning goal was a quality cross from a quality player 


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 11 December 2022 at 4:07pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

they could have scored 1 more it was 20/1 and worth £105 to me Cry

Sorry mate I thought France would have won 3.- 1 


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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 11 December 2022 at 4:08pm
Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Winning goal was a quality cross from a quality player 

exactly 


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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 11 December 2022 at 8:09pm
The Folkestone French passport control guy was smiling broadly after I handed our documents over with a “Felicitations pour le résultat hier soir. Pour un Gallois et une Écossaise, ça nous a plu aussi”. That was a good effort at 0500 today. 

Delighted for our friends over here and will be shouting for them on Wednesday - maybe there’s somewhere communal to see it and hopefully Sunday.

The Brazilian ref allowed too much impossible tackling to let the game develop into the spectacle that it might have become. He seemed extremely reluctant to penalise or manage the “professional” fouls. 

It reminded me of the hockey tournament back in the late 80s where the Russian’s coach driver was made to umpire a match (the proper Russian umpire never turned up). It turned out he knew nothing about the rules and was in a hugely unfortunate situation. Luckily, his Scottish colleague was one of the world’s best and umpired all the match apart from the first 2 mins.

Not saying the Brazilian was that bad, however, some of his mistakes and/or refusal to give something that was obviously opposite from his (first) decision brought it to mind.

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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 11 December 2022 at 10:15pm
Your wrong ..again LOLWink


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 12 December 2022 at 7:55am
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Your wrong ..again LOLWink
At least not completely, unless you were being kind Wink

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Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 14 December 2022 at 9:16am
Thought the Argies looked really dangerous last night....my thoughts Argies v Frogs final.
The only problem with the French is their back four defence, clumsy and stupid and because of injuries they are definitely in because they have no one else.

Want the French to win the final but Messi knows its last chance saloon for this medal and he will get pens against the French backline.
On another note the French haven't got out of 1st gear yet.....so intriguing. 




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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: Sir Duckling Tuft
Date Posted: 14 December 2022 at 12:04pm
Ive backed argies before it all started , the majority are backing the frogs but I dont see it myself. Argies are technically better than anyone imo....Yes they have the best player ever, but theres a lot of quality around him too....800 passes in their polish victory is the highest ever recorded in world cup football, which says a lot about their technical quality. 

Messi is the best on any measurement ( I cant judge pre 1975 as I wasnt around lol)....most trophies, best technically ,his movement, his goals, goal assists, tracking back, winning possession, his no look assing, corners, free kicks, dribbling, versatility, the sheer number of times he has the ball....Hes also good in the air for a little fella...Oh and incredible longevity...1003 games at the very elite level , 790 goals , 340 goal assists...ridiculous

 Theyve also got the best and biggest group of fans too...So argies all the way for me


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Posted By: surfing-mtber
Date Posted: 14 December 2022 at 12:38pm
Originally posted by Sir Duckling Tuft Sir Duckling Tuft wrote:

Ive backed argies before it all started , the majority are backing the frogs but I dont see it myself. Argies are technically better than anyone imo....Yes they have the best player ever, but theres a lot of quality around him too....800 passes in their polish victory is the highest ever recorded in world cup football, which says a lot about their technical quality. 

Messi is the best on any measurement ( I cant judge pre 1975 as I wasnt around lol)....most trophies, best technically ,his movement, his goals, goal assists, tracking back, winning possession, his no look assing, corners, free kicks, dribbling, versatility, the sheer number of times he has the ball....Hes also good in the air for a little fella...Oh and incredible longevity...1003 games at the very elite level , 790 goals , 340 goal assists...ridiculous

 Theyve also got the best and biggest group of fans too...So argies all the way for me


I knew there was a reason I didn't like football! LOLLOLLOL


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 14 December 2022 at 12:43pm
Only player to touch Messi in my opinion was Pele. He was pure class - the movement & grace of a panther.


Posted By: Sir Duckling Tuft
Date Posted: 15 December 2022 at 2:40am
Originally posted by surfing-mtber surfing-mtber wrote:

Originally posted by Sir Duckling Tuft Sir Duckling Tuft wrote:

Ive backed argies before it all started , the majority are backing the frogs but I dont see it myself. Argies are technically better than anyone imo....Yes they have the best player ever, but theres a lot of quality around him too....800 passes in their polish victory is the highest ever recorded in world cup football, which says a lot about their technical quality. 

Messi is the best on any measurement ( I cant judge pre 1975 as I wasnt around lol)....most trophies, best technically ,his movement, his goals, goal assists, tracking back, winning possession, his no look assing, corners, free kicks, dribbling, versatility, the sheer number of times he has the ball....Hes also good in the air for a little fella...Oh and incredible longevity...1003 games at the very elite level , 790 goals , 340 goal assists...ridiculous

 Theyve also got the best and biggest group of fans too...So argies all the way for me


I knew there was a reason I didn't like football! LOLLOLLOL

LOL


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Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 15 December 2022 at 11:53am
Originally posted by Sir Duckling Tuft Sir Duckling Tuft wrote:

Ive backed argies before it all started , the majority are backing the frogs but I dont see it myself. Argies are technically better than anyone imo....Yes they have the best player ever, but theres a lot of quality around him too....800 passes in their polish victory is the highest ever recorded in world cup football, which says a lot about their technical quality. 

Messi is the best on any measurement ( I cant judge pre 1975 as I wasnt around lol)....most trophies, best technically ,his movement, his goals, goal assists, tracking back, winning possession, his no look assing, corners, free kicks, dribbling, versatility, the sheer number of times he has the ball....Hes also good in the air for a little fella...Oh and incredible longevity...1003 games at the very elite level , 790 goals , 340 goal assists...ridiculous

 Theyve also got the best and biggest group of fans too...So argies all the way for me

Sorry don't want Argies to win....France I still believe are not even getting into gear yet....they have been bad up to the finals but turn it on when it matters. Messi makes them tick and is simply class but what is clear it will be a fascinating final...really looking forward to it.

On another note I mentioned that France defence were rubbish but the last game against Morocco it was really good and Morocco have superb footballers the passing and thinking and running and spot on sweet passing was comparable with the Argies and France dealt with them. 

Looking forward to it and I bet on France 4 months back France to win it even though they are missing star players...take Messi out of Argentina and they are plain ordinary. 




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Posted By: Sir Duckling Tuft
Date Posted: 15 December 2022 at 1:01pm
The french looked leaden footed in the english game....They could and perhaps shuld have conceded 4 penalties and a few red cards...The referee was appalling and failed to check VAR several times. The fleet footed argies will be looking to exploit that to the fullest , look out for some choreographed diving in the penalty area lol

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Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 15 December 2022 at 1:34pm
Originally posted by Sir Duckling Tuft Sir Duckling Tuft wrote:

The french looked leaden footed in the english game....They could and perhaps shuld have conceded 4 penalties and a few red cards...The referee was appalling and failed to check VAR several times. The fleet footed argies will be looking to exploit that to the fullest , look out for some choreographed diving in the penalty area lol

Interesting game to come on Sunday....but the French threat going forward will give a different game plan for the Argies.....sorry Sir but I aint no Argie fan for all the World cup games I've watched for over 50 years ....the great Holland sides etc...beaten by them digs deep.....I would have even rooted for England to thrash em....

But looking forward to it....really is fascinating....while Agies have been praised for the passing ...I think Morocco as a team was the best passing side ...superb feet...why can't Wales play like them.....




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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 18 December 2022 at 4:36pm
France have been awful...the virus through the squad has presented this rubbish...worst performance of the tournament 
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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 18 December 2022 at 4:44pm
2 - 2 unbelievable 




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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 18 December 2022 at 5:00pm
3 to 2 to France in extra time


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 18 December 2022 at 5:02pm
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

3 to 2 to France in extra time

Your the best 


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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 18 December 2022 at 5:23pm
Please not penalties 

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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 18 December 2022 at 5:25pm
Imagine how it would’ve been if France had played the first 80 mins like they have since.

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Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 18 December 2022 at 5:34pm
When Messi disappears Argies are nothing all my life they are fouling cheating poos...never change 3....2 at moment 

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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 18 December 2022 at 5:35pm
Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Imagine how it would’ve been if France had played the first 80 mins like they have since.

Deschamps made the right calls to come back 2 -0 has been great cannot stand Argentina 


penalty to France 





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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 18 December 2022 at 5:37pm
3 - 3 what a final 

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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 18 December 2022 at 5:46pm
I hate penalties...anything goes 

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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 18 December 2022 at 6:08pm
What an amazing game of football, one of the best have seen, certainly one of the best finals.
Messi and Mbappe,  we're amazing...Stella stuff really.
Have we ever seen better than Messi...Pele maybe .?

As a Liverpool fan, I have at Annfield during some epic European nights, when the atmosphere  has been buzzing, but this was almost another level.
Magnificent! 


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Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 18 December 2022 at 6:16pm
Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

What an amazing game of football, one of the best have seen, certainly one of the best finals.
Messi and Mbappe,  we're amazing...Stella stuff really.
Have we ever seen better than Messi...Pele maybe .?

As a Liverpool fan, I have at Annfield during some epic European nights, when the atmosphere  has been buzzing, but this was almost another level.
Magnificent! 

Great final...but penalties are a lottery Mbapee hatrick superb.....cannot stand Argentina...it won't change sorry...



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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 18 December 2022 at 6:26pm
Originally posted by lofty evans lofty evans wrote:

Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

What an amazing game of football, one of the best have seen, certainly one of the best finals.
Messi and Mbappe,  we're amazing...Stella stuff really.
Have we ever seen better than Messi...Pele maybe .?

As a Liverpool fan, I have at Annfield during some epic European nights, when the atmosphere  has been buzzing, but this was almost another level.
Magnificent! 

Great final...but penalties are a lottery Mbapee hatrick superb.....cannot stand Argentina...it won't change sorry...

Too many awful fouls by them for me and a yellow card in the final means nothing. Should be like rugby and they’re off the pitch. It’d soon stop the scything down. One tackle was round the waist.

At 2-0, you had to admire the total control of the Argentina’s. Once it was 2-2, the French deserved it in my not so unbiased view.


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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 18 December 2022 at 7:36pm
As a side note , it's great to see a Welsh speaking nation win the world cup Hug


Posted By: connor boy
Date Posted: 20 December 2022 at 6:31pm
South American supporters are another level😍

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Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 20 December 2022 at 10:07pm
Originally posted by connor boy connor boy wrote:

South American supporters are another level😍

Thank god this Avatar is back...I can see I don't need glasses.....thanks Connor boy





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