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Topic: Landlord nightmare Wales
Posted By: Sir Duckling Tuft
Subject: Landlord nightmare Wales
Date Posted: 16 February 2023 at 4:01pm
https://rentsmart.gov.wales/Uploads/Downloads/00/00/01/73/DownloadFileEN_FILE/Renting-Homes-Course-Handbook-01.12.22.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://rentsmart.gov.wales/Uploads/Downloads/00/00/01/73/DownloadFileEN_FILE/Renting-Homes-Course-Handbook-01.12.22.pdf
In addition to 2 licenses, insurance, boiler/electrical/gas certificates repairs maintenance The welsh assembly has gone to war with private landlords with the most biased impossible contradictory set of laws since boris party rules apparently landlords cant go in but they can they cant they can they cant in the end they cant
I dare anyone to try and read the additonal 100 pages of rules on landlords in wales Not 1 single word in it about tenant responsibilities
Absolute madness
End result....Destroyed properties endless legal battles, illegal sublets, drug dens, the end of private houses rented to anyone on housing benefits as landlords have zero protection..They cant even enter their own property with out an injunction from a judge in any situation...Look out for endless housing disasters, gas leaks, fires, violence, drugs the usual and more homelessness
The politics of envy at work again..Its communism by any other name trying to force punish landlords and make their lives a living hell....
------------- sir duckling tuft
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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 16 February 2023 at 6:05pm
Sell the houses and bank the money
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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 16 February 2023 at 7:10pm
Are you a good landlord or are you an arsehole landlord ....genuine question ...I have had experience of both in the past
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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 16 February 2023 at 7:35pm
I'd like to think I'm ok, although with recent legislation it does mean it's very much leaning towards a tenants market once you get in to a property (getting past all the checks and protocol's to become a tenant is not so easy these days mind).
As a LL, this year I've paid 400 pounds per property to ensure I remain compliant with the new law that stipulates all smoke alarms must be linked to the mains. Added wall mounted carbon monoxide monitors at 80 pounds a pop, also mandatory.
All the tenancy contracts have now had to be re-written (stipulated) - it's best to get it done professionally at about 75 pounds each.
I only let to local people, and haven't raised any rents in 4 years.
All my tenants are in various degrees of arrears, and I get it, there's a cost of living crisis. I'm happy to work something out, however the tenants are, or at least project the feeling to me that they are, fairly well insulated from what a LL's actions can be, so chose not to communicate. That's a shame, but such is life.
I've just completed the sale of one property, and yes I had to spend 2,000 pounds to make good the property after a tenancy departed. Still get CCJ's and chasers relating to that tenant. Again unfortunate.
Pretty sure I will bail on the others as soon as practical. Not sure how that helps out the housing challenges I read about in my areas, but it's really not a viable option to try to maintain a rental portfolio with the obligations stacked against you, and a tenant population that feel immunized from the basic terms of a tenancy.
I'm sure there are stacks of unscrupulous LL's out there, and they provoke the rule changes I guess.
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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 16 February 2023 at 8:03pm
All tenancy agreements min 6 months (a bind for somevtenants to who just need a short term stay)then another 6 months notice, it’s a year even if a tenant defaults one month in tbh ive let mine via air bnb / short term holiday lets with an agent now. If you want a good tip clearsprings who do the asylum seeker lets are offering 5 year contracts, good payers to. Driving lamdlords into sales will mean less not more houses to rent , making rents will imcrease not decrease and people will find it harder to rent houses. The exact opposite of what these rules are designed to, the road to hell is paved with good intentions as they say
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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 16 February 2023 at 8:11pm
Oracle wrote:
Are you a good landlord or are you an arsehole landlord ....genuine question ...I have had experience of both in the past | were you a good tenant or a pain in the baxkside tenant who thought it was great to smash the house up default on rent and annoy the neighbours? I have had experience of both
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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 16 February 2023 at 8:13pm
Is it better to go through an agency or try and save money by doing everything yourself
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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 16 February 2023 at 9:18pm
Oracle wrote:
Is it better to go through an agency or try and save money by doing everything yourself | good agent saves you time, do all the checks get ckeaners in and tradesmen in when needed and ensure no gap between tenants. It costs but for me it’s worth it. I’ll prob sell mine (only got two i’m hardly a propery tycoon)
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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 16 February 2023 at 9:27pm
It's what my brother in law does with his properties...he said the benefits out weighed the negatives
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Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 16 February 2023 at 10:59pm
Brother in law is a landlord...owns most of Gorseinon....his head is fried with the new legislations.
On another note I was an excellent tenant ...on another note there are crap landlords..swings and roundabouts
------------- In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"
"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"
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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 12:32am
lofty evans wrote:
Brother in law is a landlord...owns most of Gorseinon....his head is fried with the new legislations.
On another note I was an excellent tenant ...on another note there are crap landlords..swings and roundabouts |
No swings anymore it's 100% loaded against landlords Honestly it's the most disgusting legislation I've ever seen Look out for drug dens, illegal subletting, overloading houses, vermin, and house flats going up in flames....100s of council flats were razed to the ground in Llanelli in the past 3 yes...all destroyed by tenants...it's in the interests of landlords to maintain their asset, their houses...it's not in the interests of tenants who are not accountable for anything...stolen rents, damage, years of stress and legal battles all on the landlord.... There is literally no law that allows a landlord into his own property if his tenant doesn't allow it....eve no damage, 1000s of rent arrears, rats, even flood and fires you cant go in without a £1500 injunction No one in govt cares as long as they bash landlords for cheap votes and soundbites that sound good on TV but create a living hell in reality...exactly what this former great town has become
------------- ROYMOND MUNTER MBE (FOR SERVICES TO THE COMBOVER)
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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 8:52am
Interesting piece on BBC TV News this morning about Lou Macari and his help for the homeless. Worth searching and catching up on.
He says his worst opponent is drugs, in terms of his work to help his folk transitioning from sleeping rough to having an address and getting back into society.
Never been a landlord and no desire to do so. It’s fine when you’ve got great tenants that pay the rent on time, look after your property etc. However, all you need is the tenant from hell and you end up having to devote so much time, energy and expense.
For those that have more energy and appetite for that and do it properly, I take my hat off.
------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind.
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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 8:56am
Are there any Tennant's of Roy's flats posting on here , we need to hear both sides of this story , my brother in law doesn't seem to have the same issues and concerns that you are raising ...Do you lease out through a 3rd party agency , as this costs a bit but it takes the pressure off the landlord , having to do deal with all the issues mentioned ....if you want contact details for the 3rd party company ..let me know and I can send you the details ....by the sound of it , it looks like your best option
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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 9:11am
There's no money in renting out houses now sadly. The landlord who rented out the house next to us has his house gutted. Tenants took everything out that wasn't theirs including white goods - he's sold it now & the new owner said it's going to take 6 months of work just to get it looking good enough to think about moving in.
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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 10:35am
I think these are extreme cases, but I do recognize that in 2022 I realized just about 40% (net) from the gross rent. I anticipated about 70-75% as a sensible ROI.
Agents fees about 15% Mandatory upgrades/contracts 13% Mandatory certifications - 6% Building insurance - 4% Repairs and maintenance - 10% Rent owed/arrears (rolling average) - 12%
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 10:47am
It's not something I'd ever want to get into personally. If someone sets up rental accomodation as their business and does so reputably for a fair price, I've nothing against that on a personal level but I do believe that the State ought to be providing a great deal more in terms of quality social housing. There are disreputable landlords and there are bad tenants. In any business transaction, surely both parties should enjoy fair legal rights. There is a balance to be struck of course. The WG is far from perfect but there is a small proportion of the Welsh public who seem to portray them as the Devil's armpit. Seems a bit OTT to me. It's been good to see the range of experiences shared here. Perhaps the conclusion is that like much in the UK, housing is dysfunctional right now. I am aware that there are also complaints in other constituent nations of Britain on this matter.
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Posted By: Sir Duckling Tuft
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 10:50am
Oracle wrote:
Are there any Tennant's of Roy's flats posting on here , we need to hear both sides of this story , my brother in law doesn't seem to have the same issues and concerns that you are raising ...Do you lease out through a 3rd party agency , as this costs a bit but it takes the pressure off the landlord , having to do deal with all the issues mentioned ....if you want contact details for the 3rd party company ..let me know and I can send you the details ....by the sound of it , it looks like your best option |
Sadly the WAG have failed completely and utterly to look at both sides of the story, their laws are utterly mindless, contradictory and self defeating
------------- sir duckling tuft
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Posted By: Sir Duckling Tuft
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 10:57am
totallybiasedscarlet wrote:
It's not something I'd ever want to get into personally. If someone sets up rental accomodation as their business and does so reputably for a fair price, I've nothing against that on a personal level but I do believe that the State ought to be providing a great deal more in terms of quality social housing. There are disreputable landlords and there are bad tenants. In any business transaction, surely both parties should enjoy fair legal rights. There is a balance to be struck of course. The WG is far from perfect but there is a small proportion of the Welsh public who seem to portray them as the Devil's armpit. Seems a bit OTT to me. It's been good to see the range of experiences shared here. Perhaps the conclusion is that like much in the UK, housing is dysfunctional right now. I am aware that there are also complaints in other constituent nations of Britain on this matter. |
Im sorry but the WAG deserve every single bit of the criticism theyre getting for their disastrous housing policy. This will soon get way worse, homelessness will rise, drugs and anti social problems will multiply, debts will grow for landlords and tenants, properties and neighbourhoods destroyed, houses reposessed etc. This is not the time for some dispassionate mealy mouthed cliches , the WAG's policies on this is a national disgrace ...Have a read of page 56 of the link posted here. It basically says in no circumstance can a landlord enter their own property in any situation without a judge allowing it at a minimum cost of £1500. Bad tenants are aware of all of this and many will exploit it to the maximum. The narrative that all tenants are poor struggling decent people and landlords are all greedy cruel people is a load of nonsense perpetuated by labour for cheap votes.
------------- sir duckling tuft
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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 10:57am
Eastern outpost wrote:
Interesting piece on BBC TV News this morning about Lou Macari and his help for the homeless. Worth searching and catching up on.
He says his worst opponent is drugs, in terms of his work to help his folk transitioning from sleeping rough to having an address and getting back into society.
Never been a landlord and no desire to do so. It’s fine when you’ve got great tenants that pay the rent on time, look after your property etc. However, all you need is the tenant from hell and you end up having to devote so much time, energy and expense.
For those that have more energy and appetite for that and do it properly, I take my hat off.r | drugs are real issue the cost to fund a habit is circa 30k a year, and it’s unlikely you can hold down a job if you have that much of an addiction, so crime is the obvious way toFund the habit be it shoplifting robbery sx working what ever. Tha inevtiably leads to criminal convicitons which lead to jail terms which leads to more drug issues which leads to less employment chances which leads to more crime, it is a vicious cycle. I am by nature a pretty cold invidual but i genuiely do feel sympathy for these folk caught up in this cycle. No one wants to be an addict (gambling,drink or drugs) it’s a horrible way to live, but in all honesty i’d never let my gaff to someone in that circumatances it’s not their fault but if you are an addict you would have no qualms defaulting on rent or flogging any white goods in the place if you need a fix) their housing needs really need to be Picked up by social housing followed by a course of treatment to get them clean and sober again)
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Posted By: Sir Duckling Tuft
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 11:03am
RR1972 wrote:
Eastern outpost wrote:
Interesting piece on BBC TV News this morning about Lou Macari and his help for the homeless. Worth searching and catching up on.
He says his worst opponent is drugs, in terms of his work to help his folk transitioning from sleeping rough to having an address and getting back into society.
Never been a landlord and no desire to do so. It’s fine when you’ve got great tenants that pay the rent on time, look after your property etc. However, all you need is the tenant from hell and you end up having to devote so much time, energy and expense.
For those that have more energy and appetite for that and do it properly, I take my hat off.r | drugs are real issue the cost to fund a habit is circa 30k a year, and it’s unlikely you can hold down a job if you have that much of an addiction, so crime is the obvious way toFund the habit be it shoplifting robbery sx working what ever. Tha inevtiably leads to criminal convicitons which lead to jail terms which leads to more drug issues which leads to less employment chances which leads to more crime, it is a vicious cycle. I am by nature a pretty cold invidual but i genuiely do feel sympathy for these folk caught up in this cycle. No one wants to be an addict (gambling,drink or drugs) it’s a horrible way to live, but in all honesty i’d never let my gaff to someone in that circumatances it’s not their fault but if you are an addict you would have no qualms defaulting on rent or flogging any white goods in the place if you need a fix) their housing needs really need to be Picked up by social housing followed by a course of treatment to get them clean and sober again) |
Where is the WAGs sympathy for peaceful people and decent landlords doing all the right things and yet caught up having to deal with this? Drugs dens, violence, noise pollution, thousands of pounds of damage , stolen rent, illegal sub letting, thousands of legal fees, years of stress and zero support from anyone or anywhere. Landlords are being bullied out of existence and neighbourhoods and decent hard working peple having their lives destroyed thanks to these disgraceful biased laws passed by the WAG
------------- sir duckling tuft
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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 11:53am
Just a question what is your general opinion of the Sennedd , not just this subject but across the board , and what do you think of Westminster as a lot of these issues you highlight are UK wide policies
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Posted By: Sir Duckling Tuft
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 12:16pm
Oracle wrote:
Just a question what is your general opinion of the Sennedd , not just this subject but across the board , and what do you think of Westminster as a lot of these issues you highlight are UK wide policies |
The recent landlord legislation is a disgrace The recent roads decision is also a disgrace
The senedd are overseeing the collapse of the welsh economy with endless self defeating laws and massive fall in living standards across the board. This goes hand in hand with industrial collapse drugs rife, drug crime rife, higher alcohlic rates etc We are soft on crime ,soft on drugs soft on everyone apart from hard working people and small businesses. These are the backbone of welsh society, the people upon whom we rely to work hark, provide their skills and services and pay their taxes to pay for the public services..These people havent had any help they have been thoroughly exploited , ignored and taken advantage of for decades by the senedd and westminster....
The town centres have been decimated and allowed to rot by the decision makers who have preached about getting out of our cars yet destroyed town centres in favour of massive out of town retail parks to which you can only get to by car.. The irony of these self defeating policies is lost on these politicians ....Buses have also been non existent there and nowadays taxis are also impossible to get n doubt because of the endless paperwork involved...Even job centres do not offer jobs anymore ? The future is bleak. It looks at this rate as though millions will be workless long term sick and machines will replace them to ensure maxiimum profits for the billionaires and wales is walking straight into that trap like welsh sheep. why not support sme's before theyre all wiped out? The senedd desnt seem to have the backbone for that..Far easier to sell out all our lovely little towns to the nandos tescos who can in turn send all their profits abroad...
Anyone who questions the status quo in wales and why we are always the poorest uk region is shouted down as a daily mail reader or a shy tory. Its a real stale environment where debate isnt allowed or considered. plaed meanwhile offer no alternative, no vision so desperately needed, they are asleep at the wheel, overly obsessed with just 1 subject, the language. We need a arty to tap into welsh aspirations, identity, pride, to reward hard work and ensure all big corporations pay their taxes. Alas some of that is still in westminster where theyre in the pockets of the wealthy...But the senedd are doing nothing to make it better, only worse
------------- sir duckling tuft
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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 12:39pm
Oracle wrote:
Just a question what is your general opinion of the Sennedd , not just this subject but across the board , and what do you think of Westminster as a lot of these issues you highlight are UK wide policies | i think they are both useless, the torys are corrupt , i think the senedd are well meaning but just clueless about business and how the real world works. They are over loaded by civil servants and career politicans who couldn’t make a living in running a business, look at the shambloic way cardiff airport is run and how its losing money hand over fist, the torys are shafting us by design, the senedd by incomptence either way we get shafted
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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 12:40pm
Thanks for your reply , you have obviously thought it through ..I can't comment on every point you made as I have no real experience with a lot of them but I can say that I started my own business up last year and the assistance in upgrade training and the assistance in financial start up costs , then an advisor who was always just a phone call away was brilliant ...The online training and networking events were really helpful as well ....so when you say that Welsh government does nothing for small businesses, I can totally disagree with you , as the process I have experienced shows they help thousands of startup every year .... What I have seen is the shortage of workers , especially low skilled people , who just go about their jobs not being seen day to day ..but their input is missed immediately when these simple jobs are not done ....in my experience eastern Europeans were brilliant at these low skilled jobs ...and we're happy to do them because they appreciated the chance at coming to UK ....(I nearly said the B word but it's not March yet )
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Posted By: Sir Duckling Tuft
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 12:44pm
RR1972 wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Just a question what is your general opinion of the Sennedd , not just this subject but across the board , and what do you think of Westminster as a lot of these issues you highlight are UK wide policies | i think they are both useless, the torys are corrupt , i think the senedd are well meaning but just clueless about business and how the real world works. They are over loaded by civil servants and career politicans who couldn’t make a living in running a business, look at the shambloic way cardiff airport is run and how its losing money hand over fist, the torys are shafting us by design, the senedd by incomptence either eat we get shafted |
Spot on. Combined together theyve created the perfect storm of a collapsed economy with over half a million extra people now on long term sick since covid...This collapse is thanks mainly to these 2 parties....A combination of their greed, ego, arrogance, stupidity, complacency, failure to listen, lack of empathy for the workforce and neglect has lead us to desolation
As a poster here rightly said, the best description of the senedd is "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"
------------- sir duckling tuft
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Posted By: Sir Duckling Tuft
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 12:53pm
Oracle wrote:
Thanks for your reply , you have obviously thought it through ..I can't comment on every point you made as I have no real experience with a lot of them but I can say that I started my own business up last year and the assistance in upgrade training and the assistance in financial start up costs , then an advisor who was always just a phone call away was brilliant ...The online training and networking events were really helpful as well ....so when you say that Welsh government does nothing for small businesses, I can totally disagree with you , as the process I have experienced shows they help thousands of startup every year ....What I have seen is the shortage of workers , especially low skilled people , who just go about their jobs not being seen day to day ..but their input is missed immediately when these simple jobs are not done ....in my experience eastern Europeans were brilliant at these low skilled jobs ...and we're happy to do them because they appreciated the chance at coming to UK ....(I nearly said the B word but it's not March yet )
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Those start ups are just the first 5 minutes of a lifetime journey...They really become irelevant and the trouble is after that 5 minutes theres no support but wrse still all the wrng decisions are made to make the econmic environment work....The fact job centres dont offer jobs is just 1 example of the mess we are in
Let me know your thoughts in 10 / 20 years Im talking about the whole environment and what really affects you and yur business minute by minute day by day year by year...the roads the parking the rates the endless paperwork, the tariffs, the licenses, the unfair competition and double standards on rules, the enormous burcracy, the rising social problems, the endless laws on cars, the charity shops wiping out competition who have to pay rates? The rates , why are they only changed temporarily by the senedd not permanently? The endless tax law changes the list is endless. How will you deal with labours new proposed law to allow women 18 months paid leave for the menopause? Are you able to pay that?
Everyone is lacking workers on a crisis level and please unlearn whatever youve learned about brexit. Its local people who wont work, the system created by politicians discourages it and punishes workers instead. Anyone would think theres some kind of masterplan to have millions more onlong term sick and get robots to do their jobs to maximize profits for the uber rich?
Good luck with your businesses though  I mean that
------------- sir duckling tuft
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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 1:26pm
Sir Duckling Tuft wrote:
RR1972 wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Just a question what is your general opinion of the Sennedd , not just this subject but across the board , and what do you think of Westminster as a lot of these issues you highlight are UK wide policies | i think they are both useless, the torys are corrupt , i think the senedd are well meaning but just clueless about business and how the real world works. They are over loaded by civil servants and career politicans who couldn’t make a living in running a business, look at the shambloic way cardiff airport is run and how its losing money hand over fist, the torys are shafting us by design, the senedd by incomptence either eat we get shafted |
Spot on. Combined together theyve created the perfect storm of a collapsed economy with over half a million extra people now on long term sick since covid...This collapse is thanks mainly to these 2 parties....A combination of their greed, ego, arrogance, stupidity, complacency, failure to listen, lack of empathy for the workforce and neglect has lead us to desolation
As a poster here rightly said, the best description of the senedd is "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" |
Haha! Well, I don't exactly disagree with that (at all) but if the alternative is the Tories' "Greed is Good" philosophy ( see Gordon Gecko/ Boris Johnson) I know which one I prefer.
Tricky stuff, this - I have been a tenant (often) and married to an occasional landlord (just the one - she has 'occasionally' owned properties! 
The main problem in the housing market is that:
1. the Tories - despite their promises - have disastrously failed to build enough 'affordable housing', and
2. since buy to let attracted a lot of sharks, the sector got a bad name and is now being reined in - harsh on the many fair and genuine landlords.
So - too few houses or flats leads to ridiculous rents, and ridiculous rents (paydays) attract crooks and shysters.
------------- “You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift)
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Posted By: Sir Duckling Tuft
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 1:37pm
aber-fan wrote:
Sir Duckling Tuft wrote:
RR1972 wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Just a question what is your general opinion of the Sennedd , not just this subject but across the board , and what do you think of Westminster as a lot of these issues you highlight are UK wide policies | i think they are both useless, the torys are corrupt , i think the senedd are well meaning but just clueless about business and how the real world works. They are over loaded by civil servants and career politicans who couldn’t make a living in running a business, look at the shambloic way cardiff airport is run and how its losing money hand over fist, the torys are shafting us by design, the senedd by incomptence either eat we get shafted |
Spot on. Combined together theyve created the perfect storm of a collapsed economy with over half a million extra people now on long term sick since covid...This collapse is thanks mainly to these 2 parties....A combination of their greed, ego, arrogance, stupidity, complacency, failure to listen, lack of empathy for the workforce and neglect has lead us to desolation
As a poster here rightly said, the best description of the senedd is "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" |
Haha! Well, I don't exactly disagree with that (at all) but if the alternative is the Tories' "Greed is Good" philosophy ( see Gordon Gecko/ Boris Johnson) I know which one I prefer.
Tricky stuff, this - I have been a tenant (often) and married to an occasional landlord (just the one - she has 'occasionally' owned properties! 
The main problem in the housing market is that:
1. the Tories - despite their promises - have disastrously failed to build enough 'affordable housing', and
2. since buy to let attracted a lot of sharks, the sector got a bad name and is now being reined in - harsh on the many fair and genuine landlords.
So - too few houses or flats leads to ridiculous rents, and ridiculous rents (paydays) attract crooks and shysters.
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Theyre both disastrous for different reasons Now there will be far fewer houses available and far more destroyed thanks to the corruption and idiocy of both main parties
------------- sir duckling tuft
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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 1:39pm
Sir Duckling Tuft wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Just a question what is your general opinion of the Sennedd , not just this subject but across the board , and what do you think of Westminster as a lot of these issues you highlight are UK wide policies |
The recent landlord legislation is a disgrace The recent roads decision is also a disgrace
The senedd are overseeing the collapse of the welsh economy with endless self defeating laws and massive fall in living standards across the board. This goes hand in hand with industrial collapse drugs rife, drug crime rife, higher alcohlic rates etc We are soft on crime ,soft on drugs soft on everyone apart from hard working people and small businesses. These are the backbone of welsh society, the people upon whom we rely to work hark, provide their skills and services and pay their taxes to pay for the public services..These people havent had any help they have been thoroughly exploited , ignored and taken advantage of for decades by the senedd and westminster....
The town centres have been decimated and allowed to rot by the decision makers who have preached about getting out of our cars yet destroyed town centres in favour of massive out of town retail parks to which you can only get to by car.. The irony of these self defeating policies is lost on these politicians ....Buses have also been non existent there and nowadays taxis are also impossible to get n doubt because of the endless paperwork involved...Even job centres do not offer jobs anymore ? The future is bleak. It looks at this rate as though millions will be workless long term sick and machines will replace them to ensure maxiimum profits for the billionaires and wales is walking straight into that trap like welsh sheep. why not support sme's before theyre all wiped out? The senedd desnt seem to have the backbone for that..Far easier to sell out all our lovely little towns to the nandos tescos who can in turn send all their profits abroad...
Anyone who questions the status quo in wales and why we are always the poorest uk region is shouted down as a daily mail reader or a shy tory. Its a real stale environment where debate isnt allowed or considered. plaed meanwhile offer no alternative, no vision so desperately needed, they are asleep at the wheel, overly obsessed with just 1 subject, the language. We need a arty to tap into welsh aspirations, identity, pride, to reward hard work and ensure all big corporations pay their taxes. Alas some of that is still in westminster where theyre in the pockets of the wealthy...But the senedd are doing nothing to make it better, only worse
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Are you Mr Angry from Steve Wright in the afternoon?
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Posted By: Sir Duckling Tuft
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 3:14pm
ladram wrote:
Sir Duckling Tuft wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Just a question what is your general opinion of the Sennedd , not just this subject but across the board , and what do you think of Westminster as a lot of these issues you highlight are UK wide policies |
The recent landlord legislation is a disgrace The recent roads decision is also a disgrace
The senedd are overseeing the collapse of the welsh economy with endless self defeating laws and massive fall in living standards across the board. This goes hand in hand with industrial collapse drugs rife, drug crime rife, higher alcohlic rates etc We are soft on crime ,soft on drugs soft on everyone apart from hard working people and small businesses. These are the backbone of welsh society, the people upon whom we rely to work hark, provide their skills and services and pay their taxes to pay for the public services..These people havent had any help they have been thoroughly exploited , ignored and taken advantage of for decades by the senedd and westminster....
The town centres have been decimated and allowed to rot by the decision makers who have preached about getting out of our cars yet destroyed town centres in favour of massive out of town retail parks to which you can only get to by car.. The irony of these self defeating policies is lost on these politicians ....Buses have also been non existent there and nowadays taxis are also impossible to get n doubt because of the endless paperwork involved...Even job centres do not offer jobs anymore ? The future is bleak. It looks at this rate as though millions will be workless long term sick and machines will replace them to ensure maxiimum profits for the billionaires and wales is walking straight into that trap like welsh sheep. why not support sme's before theyre all wiped out? The senedd desnt seem to have the backbone for that..Far easier to sell out all our lovely little towns to the nandos tescos who can in turn send all their profits abroad...
Anyone who questions the status quo in wales and why we are always the poorest uk region is shouted down as a daily mail reader or a shy tory. Its a real stale environment where debate isnt allowed or considered. plaed meanwhile offer no alternative, no vision so desperately needed, they are asleep at the wheel, overly obsessed with just 1 subject, the language. We need a arty to tap into welsh aspirations, identity, pride, to reward hard work and ensure all big corporations pay their taxes. Alas some of that is still in westminster where theyre in the pockets of the wealthy...But the senedd are doing nothing to make it better, only worse
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Are you Mr Angry from Steve Wright in the afternoon? |
are you roger irrelevant off the viz?
------------- sir duckling tuft
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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 3:32pm
Never read it but it sounds about right
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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 4:15pm
ladram wrote:
Never read it but it sounds about right | viz used to be funny then it went rubbish, letters page were my fave
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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 4:37pm
Sir Duckling Tuft wrote:
ladram wrote:
Sir Duckling Tuft wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Just a question what is your general opinion of the Sennedd , not just this subject but across the board , and what do you think of Westminster as a lot of these issues you highlight are UK wide policies |
The recent landlord legislation is a disgrace The recent roads decision is also a disgrace
The senedd are overseeing the collapse of the welsh economy with endless self defeating laws and massive fall in living standards across the board. This goes hand in hand with industrial collapse drugs rife, drug crime rife, higher alcohlic rates etc We are soft on crime ,soft on drugs soft on everyone apart from hard working people and small businesses. These are the backbone of welsh society, the people upon whom we rely to work hark, provide their skills and services and pay their taxes to pay for the public services..These people havent had any help they have been thoroughly exploited , ignored and taken advantage of for decades by the senedd and westminster....
The town centres have been decimated and allowed to rot by the decision makers who have preached about getting out of our cars yet destroyed town centres in favour of massive out of town retail parks to which you can only get to by car.. The irony of these self defeating policies is lost on these politicians ....Buses have also been non existent there and nowadays taxis are also impossible to get n doubt because of the endless paperwork involved...Even job centres do not offer jobs anymore ? The future is bleak. It looks at this rate as though millions will be workless long term sick and machines will replace them to ensure maxiimum profits for the billionaires and wales is walking straight into that trap like welsh sheep. why not support sme's before theyre all wiped out? The senedd desnt seem to have the backbone for that..Far easier to sell out all our lovely little towns to the nandos tescos who can in turn send all their profits abroad...
Anyone who questions the status quo in wales and why we are always the poorest uk region is shouted down as a daily mail reader or a shy tory. Its a real stale environment where debate isnt allowed or considered. plaed meanwhile offer no alternative, no vision so desperately needed, they are asleep at the wheel, overly obsessed with just 1 subject, the language. We need a arty to tap into welsh aspirations, identity, pride, to reward hard work and ensure all big corporations pay their taxes. Alas some of that is still in westminster where theyre in the pockets of the wealthy...But the senedd are doing nothing to make it better, only worse
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Are you Mr Angry from Steve Wright in the afternoon? |
are you roger irrelevant off the viz? |
You can't say that to the dodgy roofer 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 4:51pm
Sir Duckling Tuft wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Just a question what is your general opinion of the Sennedd , not just this subject but across the board , and what do you think of Westminster as a lot of these issues you highlight are UK wide policies |
The recent landlord legislation is a disgrace The recent roads decision is also a disgrace
The senedd are overseeing the collapse of the welsh economy with endless self defeating laws and massive fall in living standards across the board. This goes hand in hand with industrial collapse drugs rife, drug crime rife, higher alcohlic rates etc We are soft on crime ,soft on drugs soft on everyone apart from hard working people and small businesses. These are the backbone of welsh society, the people upon whom we rely to work hark, provide their skills and services and pay their taxes to pay for the public services..These people havent had any help they have been thoroughly exploited , ignored and taken advantage of for decades by the senedd and westminster....
The town centres have been decimated and allowed to rot by the decision makers who have preached about getting out of our cars yet destroyed town centres in favour of massive out of town retail parks to which you can only get to by car.. The irony of these self defeating policies is lost on these politicians ....Buses have also been non existent there and nowadays taxis are also impossible to get n doubt because of the endless paperwork involved...Even job centres do not offer jobs anymore ? The future is bleak. It looks at this rate as though millions will be workless long term sick and machines will replace them to ensure maxiimum profits for the billionaires and wales is walking straight into that trap like welsh sheep. why not support sme's before theyre all wiped out? The senedd desnt seem to have the backbone for that..Far easier to sell out all our lovely little towns to the nandos tescos who can in turn send all their profits abroad...
Anyone who questions the status quo in wales and why we are always the poorest uk region is shouted down as a daily mail reader or a shy tory. Its a real stale environment where debate isnt allowed or considered. plaed meanwhile offer no alternative, no vision so desperately needed, they are asleep at the wheel, overly obsessed with just 1 subject, the language. We need a arty to tap into welsh aspirations, identity, pride, to reward hard work and ensure all big corporations pay their taxes. Alas some of that is still in westminster where theyre in the pockets of the wealthy...But the senedd are doing nothing to make it better, only worse
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This is what gets me. There is legitimate criticism to be made of Welsh Labour/The Welsh Government. Believe me, I have plenty of my own and no doubt on the particular issue of landlord/tenant legislation, they could do a lot better. Yet somehow I find Wil Chip's account reasonable but yours OTT. Why is that? I'll explain.
Your opening comment to this thread goes a long way to explaining your greivances. The comment above is a litany of right wing stereotypes and memes. I've said many times now that your comments could be lifted word for word from the comments on a WoL article. As I said earlier, there is a small yet vocal right wing minority in Wales who reinforce each other and promulgate a particular narrative about the Welsh Govt and the Senedd. Your comments are riddled with signifiers that you also adhere to that narrative. The trouble is that it is not a balanced view. One of the primary cheerleaders of this is a certain Andrew RT Davies who offers absolutely nothing in the way of an alternative and has based the official opposition to the WG on s**t stirring. He is a genuine empty can, rattling the most. I truly, truly wish that the right in Wales would do a better job of holding Labour to account. Goodness knows it is not healthy that they have enjoyed a majority here for 100 years. I truly, truly wish that they had a vision to build the Welsh nation but for the most part, the Welsh right is only interested in "Britishifying" Wales, imposing a "British" national identity on us. To my mind THAT is nationalism and there are many who are obsessed by it.
Now much of the criticism that you have levelled at the WG is nothing to do with them. Much of it is to do with societal changes. Much of it is the responsibility of the UK Govt. Much of it, where it falls to the WG, is hampered by a budget that is set in London that our elected SM's cannot alter. And even where you hold an opinion, legitimately, on a WG policy I still find your stance OTT. Roads for example. We know that carbon emissions are having a serious negative impact on health, security, the economy, let alone the wider environmental implications for the other life on this planet that we share. We cannot just build roads willy nilly. The fair criticism here is that the WG did not at the same time explain what the alternative will be. Albeit that the HS2 £5Bn we're losing out on would go a long way to fund the alternatives we need.
You accuse Plaid Cymru (not "plaed") of being obsessed with the language and nothing else - how woefully (willingly?) ignorant. Plaid are highly active campaigning across a wide range of policy areas, not least of which is to build Welsh democracy and improve the way we are governed. Goodness knows they have their failings - and I have my own frustrations - but your comment is no more than a lazy trope.
As for being shut down for criticising Labour, do stop playing the martyr. You have been criticised for regurgitating right wing tropes and narratives. I'm sure you have legitimate concerns and complaints, many of which you do touch upon. I hold out some hope in so far as you call for a party that will tap into Welsh aspiration and pride and take Wales forward. There is at least a party aligned to your political views that is pro-Wales (as opposed to yet another UK party) and that party is called Gwlad. If you wanted to do something positive you could get involved and build the positive case for a different approach. I might not agree with your ideas but I could at least respect that endeavour.
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Posted By: Scarlet O'Hara
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 4:54pm
Oracle wrote:
Is it better to go through an agency or try and save money by doing everything yourself |
Or pay an agency and end up doing everything yourself anyway. Cough D*rlows
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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 4:59pm
I'm starting to think that this forum is actually Landlord Central
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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 5:05pm
ladram wrote:
Never read it but it sounds about right | I’d always had you down as more of a John Cleese kind of person.
John Cleese as in his role with the two Ronnies explaining the British Class System.
“I look down on him” etc.
Well you would, as a professional roofer 
------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind.
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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 5:14pm
Don't feed into his ego
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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 5:26pm
Eastern outpost wrote:
ladram wrote:
Never read it but it sounds about right | I’d always had you down as more of a John Cleese kind of person.
John Cleese as in his role with the two Ronnies explaining the British Class System.
“I look down on him” etc.
Well you would, as a professional roofer  |
I was the 4th one just out of shot 
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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 5:33pm
Heading to a bookies , I bet
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Posted By: Sir Duckling Tuft
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 5:41pm
totallybiasedscarlet wrote:
Sir Duckling Tuft wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Just a question what is your general opinion of the Sennedd , not just this subject but across the board , and what do you think of Westminster as a lot of these issues you highlight are UK wide policies |
The recent landlord legislation is a disgrace The recent roads decision is also a disgrace
The senedd are overseeing the collapse of the welsh economy with endless self defeating laws and massive fall in living standards across the board. This goes hand in hand with industrial collapse drugs rife, drug crime rife, higher alcohlic rates etc We are soft on crime ,soft on drugs soft on everyone apart from hard working people and small businesses. These are the backbone of welsh society, the people upon whom we rely to work hark, provide their skills and services and pay their taxes to pay for the public services..These people havent had any help they have been thoroughly exploited , ignored and taken advantage of for decades by the senedd and westminster....
The town centres have been decimated and allowed to rot by the decision makers who have preached about getting out of our cars yet destroyed town centres in favour of massive out of town retail parks to which you can only get to by car.. The irony of these self defeating policies is lost on these politicians ....Buses have also been non existent there and nowadays taxis are also impossible to get n doubt because of the endless paperwork involved...Even job centres do not offer jobs anymore ? The future is bleak. It looks at this rate as though millions will be workless long term sick and machines will replace them to ensure maxiimum profits for the billionaires and wales is walking straight into that trap like welsh sheep. why not support sme's before theyre all wiped out? The senedd desnt seem to have the backbone for that..Far easier to sell out all our lovely little towns to the nandos tescos who can in turn send all their profits abroad...
Anyone who questions the status quo in wales and why we are always the poorest uk region is shouted down as a daily mail reader or a shy tory. Its a real stale environment where debate isnt allowed or considered. plaed meanwhile offer no alternative, no vision so desperately needed, they are asleep at the wheel, overly obsessed with just 1 subject, the language. We need a arty to tap into welsh aspirations, identity, pride, to reward hard work and ensure all big corporations pay their taxes. Alas some of that is still in westminster where theyre in the pockets of the wealthy...But the senedd are doing nothing to make it better, only worse
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This is what gets me. There is legitimate criticism to be made of Welsh Labour/The Welsh Government. Believe me, I have plenty of my own and no doubt on the particular issue of landlord/tenant legislation, they could do a lot better. Yet somehow I find Wil Chip's account reasonable but yours OTT. Why is that? I'll explain.
Your opening comment to this thread goes a long way to explaining your greivances. The comment above is a litany of right wing stereotypes and memes. I've said many times now that your comments could be lifted word for word from the comments on a WoL article. As I said earlier, there is a small yet vocal right wing minority in Wales who reinforce each other and promulgate a particular narrative about the Welsh Govt and the Senedd. Your comments are riddled with signifiers that you also adhere to that narrative. The trouble is that it is not a balanced view. One of the primary cheerleaders of this is a certain Andrew RT Davies who offers absolutely nothing in the way of an alternative and has based the official opposition to the WG on s**t stirring. He is a genuine empty can, rattling the most. I truly, truly wish that the right in Wales would do a better job of holding Labour to account. Goodness knows it is not healthy that they have enjoyed a majority here for 100 years. I truly, truly wish that they had a vision to build the Welsh nation but for the most part, the Welsh right is only interested in "Britishifying" Wales, imposing a "British" national identity on us. To my mind THAT is nationalism and there are many who are obsessed by it.
Now much of the criticism that you have levelled at the WG is nothing to do with them. Much of it is to do with societal changes. Much of it is the responsibility of the UK Govt. Much of it, where it falls to the WG, is hampered by a budget that is set in London that our elected SM's cannot alter. And even where you hold an opinion, legitimately, on a WG policy I still find your stance OTT. Roads for example. We know that carbon emissions are having a serious negative impact on health, security, the economy, let alone the wider environmental implications for the other life on this planet that we share. We cannot just build roads willy nilly. The fair criticism here is that the WG did not at the same time explain what the alternative will be. Albeit that the HS2 £5Bn we're losing out on would go a long way to fund the alternatives we need.
You accuse Plaid Cymru (not "plaed") of being obsessed with the language and nothing else - how woefully (willingly?) ignorant. Plaid are highly active campaigning across a wide range of policy areas, not least of which is to build Welsh democracy and improve the way we are governed. Goodness knows they have their failings - and I have my own frustrations - but your comment is no more than a lazy trope.
As for being shut down for criticising Labour, do stop playing the martyr. You have been criticised for regurgitating right wing tropes and narratives. I'm sure you have legitimate concerns and complaints, many of which you do touch upon. I hold out some hope in so far as you call for a party that will tap into Welsh aspiration and pride and take Wales forward. There is at least a party aligned to your political views that is pro-Wales (as opposed to yet another UK party) and that party is called Gwlad. If you wanted to do something positive you could get involved and build the positive case for a different approach. I might not agree with your ideas but I could at least respect that endeavour.
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Absolute rubbish I can back every single word Ive printed with facts to back it up, you cannot. It is you who is spouting endless cliche and generalization, daily mail reader blah blah blah. Heard it all before its utter bilge that you think you can get away with it, being with the majority. Not any more you cant, that appeasement of these nonsense petty laws is whats seen this great country and the town of Llanelli fall down. Lets get to the truth instead. Youre so far indoctrinated you cant even see the facts and the truth in front of you nor smell the weed under your nostrils.
Plaid are the only hope really but have they done enough? Judging by their results of course not. Didnt they close down a local bilingual school and reopen it as welsh only despite the entire village being against it? If so thats hardly listening to the constituents is it? I want them to break through but theyre light years behind the SNP in scotland
Pm me direct if you want to get factual and truthful instead of playing to the gallery like so many
------------- sir duckling tuft
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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 5:52pm
It is Plaid not Plaed btw
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 6:04pm
Sir Duckling Tuft wrote:
totallybiasedscarlet wrote:
Sir Duckling Tuft wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Just a question what is your general opinion of the Sennedd , not just this subject but across the board , and what do you think of Westminster as a lot of these issues you highlight are UK wide policies |
The recent landlord legislation is a disgrace The recent roads decision is also a disgrace
The senedd are overseeing the collapse of the welsh economy with endless self defeating laws and massive fall in living standards across the board. This goes hand in hand with industrial collapse drugs rife, drug crime rife, higher alcohlic rates etc We are soft on crime ,soft on drugs soft on everyone apart from hard working people and small businesses. These are the backbone of welsh society, the people upon whom we rely to work hark, provide their skills and services and pay their taxes to pay for the public services..These people havent had any help they have been thoroughly exploited , ignored and taken advantage of for decades by the senedd and westminster....
The town centres have been decimated and allowed to rot by the decision makers who have preached about getting out of our cars yet destroyed town centres in favour of massive out of town retail parks to which you can only get to by car.. The irony of these self defeating policies is lost on these politicians ....Buses have also been non existent there and nowadays taxis are also impossible to get n doubt because of the endless paperwork involved...Even job centres do not offer jobs anymore ? The future is bleak. It looks at this rate as though millions will be workless long term sick and machines will replace them to ensure maxiimum profits for the billionaires and wales is walking straight into that trap like welsh sheep. why not support sme's before theyre all wiped out? The senedd desnt seem to have the backbone for that..Far easier to sell out all our lovely little towns to the nandos tescos who can in turn send all their profits abroad...
Anyone who questions the status quo in wales and why we are always the poorest uk region is shouted down as a daily mail reader or a shy tory. Its a real stale environment where debate isnt allowed or considered. plaed meanwhile offer no alternative, no vision so desperately needed, they are asleep at the wheel, overly obsessed with just 1 subject, the language. We need a arty to tap into welsh aspirations, identity, pride, to reward hard work and ensure all big corporations pay their taxes. Alas some of that is still in westminster where theyre in the pockets of the wealthy...But the senedd are doing nothing to make it better, only worse
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This is what gets me. There is legitimate criticism to be made of Welsh Labour/The Welsh Government. Believe me, I have plenty of my own and no doubt on the particular issue of landlord/tenant legislation, they could do a lot better. Yet somehow I find Wil Chip's account reasonable but yours OTT. Why is that? I'll explain.
Your opening comment to this thread goes a long way to explaining your greivances. The comment above is a litany of right wing stereotypes and memes. I've said many times now that your comments could be lifted word for word from the comments on a WoL article. As I said earlier, there is a small yet vocal right wing minority in Wales who reinforce each other and promulgate a particular narrative about the Welsh Govt and the Senedd. Your comments are riddled with signifiers that you also adhere to that narrative. The trouble is that it is not a balanced view. One of the primary cheerleaders of this is a certain Andrew RT Davies who offers absolutely nothing in the way of an alternative and has based the official opposition to the WG on s**t stirring. He is a genuine empty can, rattling the most. I truly, truly wish that the right in Wales would do a better job of holding Labour to account. Goodness knows it is not healthy that they have enjoyed a majority here for 100 years. I truly, truly wish that they had a vision to build the Welsh nation but for the most part, the Welsh right is only interested in "Britishifying" Wales, imposing a "British" national identity on us. To my mind THAT is nationalism and there are many who are obsessed by it.
Now much of the criticism that you have levelled at the WG is nothing to do with them. Much of it is to do with societal changes. Much of it is the responsibility of the UK Govt. Much of it, where it falls to the WG, is hampered by a budget that is set in London that our elected SM's cannot alter. And even where you hold an opinion, legitimately, on a WG policy I still find your stance OTT. Roads for example. We know that carbon emissions are having a serious negative impact on health, security, the economy, let alone the wider environmental implications for the other life on this planet that we share. We cannot just build roads willy nilly. The fair criticism here is that the WG did not at the same time explain what the alternative will be. Albeit that the HS2 £5Bn we're losing out on would go a long way to fund the alternatives we need.
You accuse Plaid Cymru (not "plaed") of being obsessed with the language and nothing else - how woefully (willingly?) ignorant. Plaid are highly active campaigning across a wide range of policy areas, not least of which is to build Welsh democracy and improve the way we are governed. Goodness knows they have their failings - and I have my own frustrations - but your comment is no more than a lazy trope.
As for being shut down for criticising Labour, do stop playing the martyr. You have been criticised for regurgitating right wing tropes and narratives. I'm sure you have legitimate concerns and complaints, many of which you do touch upon. I hold out some hope in so far as you call for a party that will tap into Welsh aspiration and pride and take Wales forward. There is at least a party aligned to your political views that is pro-Wales (as opposed to yet another UK party) and that party is called Gwlad. If you wanted to do something positive you could get involved and build the positive case for a different approach. I might not agree with your ideas but I could at least respect that endeavour.
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Absolute rubbish I can back every single word Ive printed with facts to back it up, you cannot. It is you who is spouting endless cliche and generalization, daily mail reader blah blah blah. Heard it all before its utter bilge that you think you can get away with it, being with the majority. Not any more you cant, that appeasement of these nonsense petty laws is whats seen this great country and the town of Llanelli fall down. Lets get to the truth instead. Youre so far indoctrinated you cant even see the facts and the truth in front of you nor smell the weed under your nostrils.
Plaid are the only hope really but have they done enough? Judging by their results of course not. Didnt they close down a local bilingual school and reopen it as welsh only despite the entire village being against it? If so thats hardly listening to the constituents is it? I want them to break through but theyre light years behind the SNP in scotland
Pm me direct if you want to get factual and truthful instead of playing to the gallery like so many
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 Try reading that back mate. Nearly every word was b******t. You're just a boring pub boor.
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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 6:07pm
I’m off to the food and cooking thread.
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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 6:08pm
Wil Chips wrote:
I’m off to the food and cooking thread.
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Careful Wil the saucepan is hot 
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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 17 February 2023 at 6:12pm
There's a good and cooking thread ..wow
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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 18 February 2023 at 8:09am
Wil Chips wrote:
I’m off to the food and cooking thread.
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I'm coming with Wil. 
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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 18 February 2023 at 8:27am
I think the last post needs rephrasing
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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 18 February 2023 at 8:30am
Oracle wrote:
I think the last post needs rephrasing  |
Behave. 
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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 18 February 2023 at 8:41am
Ultimate optimism, that.
------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind.
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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 18 February 2023 at 8:45am
Eastern outpost wrote:
Ultimate optimism, that. |
We can only dream EO. 
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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 18 February 2023 at 8:51am
Im watching all of you , all of the time
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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 18 February 2023 at 3:25pm
ladram wrote:
Eastern outpost wrote:
ladram wrote:
Never read it but it sounds about right | I’d always had you down as more of a John Cleese kind of person.
John Cleese as in his role with the two Ronnies explaining the British Class System.
“I look down on him” etc.
Well you would, as a professional roofer  |
I was the 4th one just out of shot  |
At which end of the lineup?
------------- “You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift)
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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 18 February 2023 at 4:15pm
Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 19 February 2023 at 12:13am
aber-fan wrote:
ladram wrote:
Eastern outpost wrote:
ladram wrote:
Never read it but it sounds about right | I’d always had you down as more of a John Cleese kind of person.
John Cleese as in his role with the two Ronnies explaining the British Class System.
“I look down on him” etc.
Well you would, as a professional roofer  |
I was the 4th one just out of shot  |
At which end of the lineup? | Both?
If it was on of those school photo cameras, you could be on the left extreme and then run round to the right and be in the photo twice.
------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind.
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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 19 February 2023 at 12:15am
ladram wrote:
The s*** | At this time of night, it’s not the best to be setting Wordless puzzles, plus dont they have 5 letters?
------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind.
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Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 19 February 2023 at 2:34am
Eastern outpost wrote:
ladram wrote:
The s*** | At this time of night, it’s not the best to be setting Wordless puzzles, plus dont they have 5 letters? |
Oh no not Wordle .
------------- In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"
"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"
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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 19 February 2023 at 8:50am
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