Irelands “creativity”
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Topic: Irelands “creativity”
Posted By: Lincscarlet
Subject: Irelands “creativity”
Date Posted: 25 February 2023 at 2:52pm
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Just seen their 9 run into an Italian shoulder then dive like Tom Daley holding his neck. Same as Sexton in game 1. Clear and obvious attempt to get a card.
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Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 25 February 2023 at 2:58pm
 Lincscarlet wrote:
Just seen their 9 run into an Italian shoulder then dive like Tom Daley holding his neck. Same as Sexton in game 1. Clear and obvious attempt to get a card. |
They got a penalty for the Italian standing his ground 
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Keep the faith
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Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 25 February 2023 at 2:59pm
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That's how sides get to be number one in the world. Irritating but crack on.
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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 25 February 2023 at 3:01pm
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Yes they cheat but would we say anything if we used the same tactics and won the European cup
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Posted By: Milli
Date Posted: 25 February 2023 at 3:10pm
Italian defence is very poor, though. Irish backs use same moves all the time. How the carthorse Lowe makes so much ground is beyond me
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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 25 February 2023 at 3:16pm
Lincscarlet wrote:
Just seen their 9 run into an Italian shoulder then dive like Tom Daley holding his neck. Same as Sexton in game 1. Clear and obvious attempt to get a card. |
Absolutely right - even the Irish commentator more or less admitted the 9 was trying it on.
In general, do you think that refs 'prefer' - even if subconsciously - the 'big' teams in a match? I sort of suspect that is the case.
Evidence in today's game -
1. Italy make a superb line break - their man is tackled 5m for the Ireland line - Porter goes for a jackal, CLEARLY supports his weight on his arms before getting the ball.
Penalty - Ireland.
2. Italy 9 taken out late with a rib-tickler at a lineout. Nothing given.
3. The incident already mentioned where the Ireland 9 tried to get a YC for the Italy second row -penalty Ireland (should hae been nothing at all - or even apenalty to Italy for 'unsportsmanlike conduct'!)
Also, possibly a high tackle on the Italy 15, but no replay or TMO intervention... somehow, in Ireland whenever there is something (or often, nothing) you get a lot of slo-mo replays on the big screen - so long as it favours Ireland's case. You look long and hard to see a replay of Williams concussing Barclay with a forearm smash, because they choose not to show it. (Just the most blatant example of a well-honed policy.)
Other countries need to retaliate with equally biased TMO replay stuff!
Apart from that - great game - but blatant cheating does get my goat.
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“You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift)
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Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 25 February 2023 at 3:33pm
Oracle wrote:
Yes they cheat but would we say anything if we used the same tactics and won the European cup |
And you know full well we don't cheat its not our style.
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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"
"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"
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Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 25 February 2023 at 3:35pm
aber-fan wrote:
Lincscarlet wrote:
Just seen their 9 run into an Italian shoulder then dive like Tom Daley holding his neck. Same as Sexton in game 1. Clear and obvious attempt to get a card. |
Absolutely right - even the Irish commentator more or less admitted the 9 was trying it on.
In general, do you think that refs 'prefer' - even if subconsciously - the 'big' teams in a match? I sort of suspect that is the case.
Evidence in today's game -
1. Italy make a superb line break - their man is tackled 5m for the Ireland line - Porter goes for a jackal, CLEARLY supports his weight on his arms before getting the ball.
Penalty - Ireland.
2. Italy 9 taken out late with a rib-tickler at a lineout. Nothing given.
3. The incident already mentioned where the Ireland 9 tried to get a YC for the Italy second row -penalty Ireland (should hae been nothing at all - or even apenalty to Italy for 'unsportsmanlike conduct'!)
Also, possibly a high tackle on the Italy 15, but no replay or TMO intervention... somehow, in Ireland whenever there is something (or often, nothing) you get a lot of slo-mo replays on the big screen - so long as it favours Ireland's case. You look long and hard to see a replay of Williams concussing Barclay with a forearm smash, because they choose not to show it. (Just the most blatant example of a well-honed policy.)
Other countries need to retaliate with equally biased TMO replay stuff!
Apart from that - great game - but blatant cheating does get my goat. |
It's the Irish way and being no 1 they are not pulled up for it. Going back years me and the infamous SmellyMike moaned and moaned about the potato pickers.
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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"
"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"
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Posted By: Milli
Date Posted: 25 February 2023 at 3:36pm
Forearm to the face and no card
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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 25 February 2023 at 3:37pm
aber-fan wrote:
Lincscarlet wrote:
Just seen their 9 run into an Italian shoulder then dive like Tom Daley holding his neck. Same as Sexton in game 1. Clear and obvious attempt to get a card. |
Absolutely right - even the Irish commentator more or less admitted the 9 was trying it on.
In general, do you think that refs 'prefer' - even if subconsciously - the 'big' teams in a match? I sort of suspect that is the case.
Evidence in today's game -
1. Italy make a superb line break - their man is tackled 5m for the Ireland line - Porter goes for a jackal, CLEARLY supports his weight on his arms before getting the ball.
Penalty - Ireland.
2. Italy 9 taken out late with a rib-tickler at a lineout. Nothing given.
3. The incident already mentioned where the Ireland 9 tried to get a YC for the Italy second row -penalty Ireland (should hae been nothing at all - or even apenalty to Italy for 'unsportsmanlike conduct'!)
Also, possibly a high tackle on the Italy 15, but no replay or TMO intervention... somehow, in Ireland whenever there is something (or often, nothing) you get a lot of slo-mo replays on the big screen - so long as it favours Ireland's case. You look long and hard to see a replay of Williams concussing Barclay with a forearm smash, because they choose not to show it. (Just the most blatant example of a well-honed policy.)
Other countries need to retaliate with equally biased TMO replay stuff!
Apart from that - great game - but blatant cheating does get my goat. |
Mike Adamson and these sorts of things go hand in hand too often, IMO.
I think it’s a competency issue and possibly supplemented by either not wanting too much help from his assistants or creating that impression inadvertently. I can understand not having much faith in the week in week out league, depending on who’s there, however, with Wayne Barnes and Craig Evans as assistants.
Having said that, how on earth is McCloskey still on the pitch after a forearm tackle on Capuozzo’s nose???
Adamson and competence akin to ball in hand and a knock on.
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In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind.
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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 25 February 2023 at 3:38pm
Milli wrote:
Forearm to the face and no card
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I suppose you are referring to the high tackle on the Italy 15 - their most dangerous runner.
Not even asked for a TMO review - very poor indeed. Ref doesn't want to know if Ireland transgress.
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“You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift)
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Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 25 February 2023 at 3:39pm
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Sounds like jelousy. Italy doing a better job than Wales did.
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Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 25 February 2023 at 3:40pm
aber-fan wrote:
Milli wrote:
Forearm to the face and no card
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I suppose you are referring to the high tackle on the Italy 15 - their most dangerous runner.
Not even asked for a TMO review - very poor indeed. Ref doesn't want to know if Ireland transgress. |
This.....
who was the dwarf ref...seen him before and he's useless
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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"
"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"
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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 25 February 2023 at 3:42pm
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Bundee knocked that on on the floor. Thank goodness they’re reviewing it.
You could see from Aki’s reaction that he knew he hadn’t scored.
Adamson is one of the poorer on the international circuit.
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In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind.
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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 25 February 2023 at 4:07pm
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« No clear release before the extra roll » says Adamson Aki gets a penalty instead of conceding one.
How are you supposed to release if the player is still rolling?
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In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind.
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Posted By: Milli
Date Posted: 25 February 2023 at 4:07pm
Lot of young players in this Italian side, can only get better. I can see us struggling against them
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Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 25 February 2023 at 4:20pm
Eastern outpost wrote:
aber-fan wrote:
Lincscarlet wrote:
Just seen their 9 run into an Italian shoulder then dive like Tom Daley holding his neck. Same as Sexton in game 1. Clear and obvious attempt to get a card. |
Absolutely right - even the Irish commentator more or less admitted the 9 was trying it on.
In general, do you think that refs 'prefer' - even if subconsciously - the 'big' teams in a match? I sort of suspect that is the case.
Evidence in today's game -
1. Italy make a superb line break - their man is tackled 5m for the Ireland line - Porter goes for a jackal, CLEARLY supports his weight on his arms before getting the ball.
Penalty - Ireland.
2. Italy 9 taken out late with a rib-tickler at a lineout. Nothing given.
3. The incident already mentioned where the Ireland 9 tried to get a YC for the Italy second row -penalty Ireland (should hae been nothing at all - or even apenalty to Italy for 'unsportsmanlike conduct'!)
Also, possibly a high tackle on the Italy 15, but no replay or TMO intervention... somehow, in Ireland whenever there is something (or often, nothing) you get a lot of slo-mo replays on the big screen - so long as it favours Ireland's case. You look long and hard to see a replay of Williams concussing Barclay with a forearm smash, because they choose not to show it. (Just the most blatant example of a well-honed policy.)
Other countries need to retaliate with equally biased TMO replay stuff!
Apart from that - great game - but blatant cheating does get my goat. |
Mike Adamson and these sorts of things go hand in hand too often, IMO.
I think it’s a competency issue and possibly supplemented by either not wanting too much help from his assistants or creating that impression inadvertently. I can understand not having much faith in the week in week out league, depending on who’s there, however, with Wayne Barnes and Craig Evans as assistants.
Having said that, how on earth is McCloskey still on the pitch after a forearm tackle on Capuozzo’s nose???
Adamson and competence akin to ball in hand and a knock on. |
How McCloskey is still allowed to play after his attempt to decapitate Rogers in the Ulster v Scarlets match is beyond me.
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Posted By: Sir Duckling Tuft
Date Posted: 25 February 2023 at 4:33pm
opponents need to nullify their professional cheating
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sir duckling tuft
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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 25 February 2023 at 5:09pm
Dai Guevara wrote:
Eastern outpost wrote:
aber-fan wrote:
Lincscarlet wrote:
Just seen their 9 run into an Italian shoulder then dive like Tom Daley holding his neck. Same as Sexton in game 1. Clear and obvious attempt to get a card. |
Absolutely right - even the Irish commentator more or less admitted the 9 was trying it on.
In general, do you think that refs 'prefer' - even if subconsciously - the 'big' teams in a match? I sort of suspect that is the case.
Evidence in today's game -
1. Italy make a superb line break - their man is tackled 5m for the Ireland line - Porter goes for a jackal, CLEARLY supports his weight on his arms before getting the ball.
Penalty - Ireland.
2. Italy 9 taken out late with a rib-tickler at a lineout. Nothing given.
3. The incident already mentioned where the Ireland 9 tried to get a YC for the Italy second row -penalty Ireland (should hae been nothing at all - or even apenalty to Italy for 'unsportsmanlike conduct'!)
Also, possibly a high tackle on the Italy 15, but no replay or TMO intervention... somehow, in Ireland whenever there is something (or often, nothing) you get a lot of slo-mo replays on the big screen - so long as it favours Ireland's case. You look long and hard to see a replay of Williams concussing Barclay with a forearm smash, because they choose not to show it. (Just the most blatant example of a well-honed policy.)
Other countries need to retaliate with equally biased TMO replay stuff!
Apart from that - great game - but blatant cheating does get my goat. |
Mike Adamson and these sorts of things go hand in hand too often, IMO.
I think it’s a competency issue and possibly supplemented by either not wanting too much help from his assistants or creating that impression inadvertently. I can understand not having much faith in the week in week out league, depending on who’s there, however, with Wayne Barnes and Craig Evans as assistants.
Having said that, how on earth is McCloskey still on the pitch after a forearm tackle on Capuozzo’s nose???
Adamson and competence akin to ball in hand and a knock on. |
How McCloskey is still allowed to play after his attempt to decapitate Rogers in the Ulster v Scarlets match is beyond me. |
Thought that was another culprit in that side of diplomatic immunity.
At least that’s less prevalent now with the appointment of less home-biased officials and co-workers.
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In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind.
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Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 25 February 2023 at 5:34pm
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Adam Beard flops on the floor and England get penalty every single time...
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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"
"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"
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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 25 February 2023 at 6:06pm
lofty evans wrote:
Adam Beard flops on the floor and England get penalty every single time...
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For a moment, I thought he was in Rome 
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In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind.
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Posted By: Sir Duckling Tuft
Date Posted: 25 February 2023 at 6:38pm
lofty evans wrote:
Adam Beard flops on the floor and England get penalty every single time...
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he goes out of his way to find a speed bump to fall over and have a nice little nap
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sir duckling tuft
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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 25 February 2023 at 6:41pm
Sir Duckling Tuft wrote:
lofty evans wrote:
Adam Beard flops on the floor and England get penalty every single time...
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he goes out of his way to find a speed bump to fall over and have a nice little nap
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At least Rowlands can play in the RWC
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In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind.
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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 25 February 2023 at 7:26pm
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Beard and north are the most consistant Welsh players ...every game they are crap , but yet their pooness seems to be a blind spot for so many people
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Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 26 February 2023 at 12:18am
Eastern outpost wrote:
lofty evans wrote:
Adam Beard flops on the floor and England get penalty every single time...
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For a moment, I thought he was in Rome |
for a moment I knew I posted in the wrong thread.
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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"
"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"
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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 26 February 2023 at 8:22am
Eastern outpost wrote:
Dai Guevara wrote:
Eastern outpost wrote:
aber-fan wrote:
Lincscarlet wrote:
Just seen their 9 run into an Italian shoulder then dive like Tom Daley holding his neck. Same as Sexton in game 1. Clear and obvious attempt to get a card. |
Absolutely right - even the Irish commentator more or less admitted the 9 was trying it on.
In general, do you think that refs 'prefer' - even if subconsciously - the 'big' teams in a match? I sort of suspect that is the case.
Evidence in today's game -
1. Italy make a superb line break - their man is tackled 5m for the Ireland line - Porter goes for a jackal, CLEARLY supports his weight on his arms before getting the ball.
Penalty - Ireland.
2. Italy 9 taken out late with a rib-tickler at a lineout. Nothing given.
3. The incident already mentioned where the Ireland 9 tried to get a YC for the Italy second row -penalty Ireland (should hae been nothing at all - or even apenalty to Italy for 'unsportsmanlike conduct'!)
Also, possibly a high tackle on the Italy 15, but no replay or TMO intervention... somehow, in Ireland whenever there is something (or often, nothing) you get a lot of slo-mo replays on the big screen - so long as it favours Ireland's case. You look long and hard to see a replay of Williams concussing Barclay with a forearm smash, because they choose not to show it. (Just the most blatant example of a well-honed policy.)
Other countries need to retaliate with equally biased TMO replay stuff!
Apart from that - great game - but blatant cheating does get my goat. |
Mike Adamson and these sorts of things go hand in hand too often, IMO.
I think it’s a competency issue and possibly supplemented by either not wanting too much help from his assistants or creating that impression inadvertently. I can understand not having much faith in the week in week out league, depending on who’s there, however, with Wayne Barnes and Craig Evans as assistants.
Having said that, how on earth is McCloskey still on the pitch after a forearm tackle on Capuozzo’s nose???
Adamson and competence akin to ball in hand and a knock on. |
How McCloskey is still allowed to play after his attempt to decapitate Rogers in the Ulster v Scarlets match is beyond me. |
Thought that was another culprit in that side of diplomatic immunity.
At least that’s less prevalent now with the appointment of less home-biased officials and co-workers. |
Think the culprit was Gilroy. Agree with you EO about Adamson poor International ref.
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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 26 February 2023 at 8:27am
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Well that Ireland game was a cracker. Fair play to Italy they really gave it a go. The Cannone brothers are some players. Excellently coached - they targeted the 13 channel as Ireland had two 12's playing with the late injury to Ringrose. Aki was all over the place in defence.
Ireland were given a scare & blew some great chances but Farrell will have learnt a huge amount. What continually impresses me is how they get their wingers involved as extra men floating around the 10. Their ability to take & give passes sets them apart from most other teams.
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