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Topic: Wales v Italy
Posted By: Fscarlet
Subject: Wales v Italy
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 8:09am
Rumoured team has Webb & Biggar at 9 & 10 with Rees-Zammit being dropped to the bench. Dyer, Adams & Williams are the back 3. 



Replies:
Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 8:41am
Bench our most potent attacking threat Pivac must be advising on selection.


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 8:42am
No 10 cover on the bench, T.Williams, North & Rees-Zammit on the bench.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 9:04am
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

No 10 cover on the bench, T.Williams, North & Rees-Zammit on the bench.

Yes Gats' selections are becoming Pivac like. Why would he drop LRZ when he is the most dangerous weapon we have. I agree with Dyer but Adams is very lucky to make the 23. Lot of faith being placed in young Hawkins for sure. 


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 9:13am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

No 10 cover on the bench, T.Williams, North & Rees-Zammit on the bench.

Yes Gats' selections are becoming Pivac like. Why would he drop LRZ when he is the most dangerous weapon we have. I agree with Dyer but Adams is very lucky to make the 23. Lot of faith being placed in young Hawkins for sure. 

The guy just scores tries for fun, there is no logical reason for dropping him (aside from injury which he doesn't have as he will be on the bench).


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 11:49am
Wales: Liam Williams; Josh Adams, Mason Grady, Joe Hawkins, Rio Dyer; Dan Biggar, Rhys Webb; Wyn Jones, Ken Owens (capt), Tomas Francis, Dafydd Jenkins, Adam Beard, Jac Morgan, Justin Tipuric, Taulupe Faletau.

Replacements: Scott Baldwin, Gareth Thomas, Dillon Lewis, Rhys Davies, Tommy Reffell, Tomos Williams, George North, Louis Rees-Zammit.


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 11:58am
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Wales: Liam Williams; Josh Adams, Mason Grady, Joe Hawkins, Rio Dyer; Dan Biggar, Rhys Webb; Wyn Jones, Ken Owens (capt), Tomas Francis, Dafydd Jenkins, Adam Beard, Jac Morgan, Justin Tipuric, Taulupe Faletau.

Replacements: Scott Baldwin, Gareth Thomas, Dillon Lewis, Rhys Davies, Tommy Reffell, Tomos Williams, George North, Louis Rees-Zammit.


Thanks for this, still haven't seen anything in Hawkins that makes me sit up and take notice. I know Chips said he's the most naturally gifted player he's seen etc and Orders writes everyday how incredible he is......and the more that's said the more I watch and I really don't get the glossing...just saying it as it is. Now he is being touted as the next Dan Carter....it doesn't stop.

I do appreciate someone who does things in spades like Genge for England. On a different note Webb and Biggar well you can base your whole game plan on their ability to create nothing. 

LRZ is the best attacking player we have...now he is a gifted player, hopeless in defence but offensively he is a different breed.....utter folly leaving him out.
Gatland is bending to public love ins.




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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: gaffer
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:04pm
Pivac's tombola selections replaced by Gatland's ...err...tombola selections. What's changed? Whatever it cost to pay off Pivac and his team for this is wasted money. A clueless Union making clueless appointments. We may as well just give up. RIP Welsh rugby, murdered by blazers 2003-2023.

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Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:22pm
Originally posted by gaffer gaffer wrote:

Pivac's tombola selections replaced by Gatland's ...err...tombola selections. What's changed? Whatever it cost to pay off Pivac and his team for this is wasted money. A clueless Union making clueless appointments. We may as well just give up. RIP Welsh rugby, murdered by blazers 2003-2023.

Well said, the WRU just seem to just walk from one disastrous decision to another, but nothing really changes at the top.  
Gatland was seen as the answer to a very poor last 18 months of PIVACs tenure, yet even Pivac managed not to win a wooden spoon.


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:22pm
Biggar now isnt starting, Owen Williams is.


Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:32pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Biggar now isnt starting, Owen Williams is.
Could it get any worse there are three better 10’s at the Scarlets.
This Osprey love in has killed the Welsh team this six nations.
Rhys Webb for god sake and no Christ even on bench.
Gatland has had a huge bet on us getting the wooden spoon there is no other explanation for this absolute car crash of side.



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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:38pm
Hadleigh and Hawkins might be mentioned post-match depending on whether Owen Williams lasts a long time on the pitch. 

Hope he plays well and remains injury-free.


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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:41pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Biggar now isnt starting, Owen Williams is.
 

Late change, or error? If a late change, why not give Patchell a chance?

It looks as if Gatland has taken the sensible approach that since we're out of contention for the 6N, he might as well have a look at some other players, and I don't blame him for that.

Webb at 9 will annoy some Scarlets supporters, who seem to hate him - I reckon he's a senior pro who has a good rugby brain, but is past his best. 9 is the position in which the selectors got things wrong in a major way (IMHO) - I'd have picked Cawdor and Blacker - or at least one of them - in preference to any of the three chosen. 

LRZ is better than Dyer, so that's a bit of a puzzler unless he is nursing an injury. 

I understand the thinking about the forwards, though Tshiunza is unlucky. 

Good to see Mason Grady get another shot at 13; last week showed that the 12 for the RWC is likely to be our own Jonny Williams, who was tremendous, but of course he gained fitness too late for this 6N squad.

I think Italy start as favourites for this one - their form has been better. The one thing in our favour is that their outstanding 15 is injured and won't be there - he did for us last year.


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“You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift)


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:43pm
The official line is LRZ is coming back form injury but for me if you're on the bench you're fit enough to start.

Don't like Webb being promoted above Hardy either.


Posted By: jeremy windell
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:50pm
Adam Beard. Why?

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Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:51pm
Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Biggar now isnt starting, Owen Williams is.
 

Late change, or error? If a late change, why not give Patchell a chance?

It looks as if Gatland has taken the sensible approach that since we're out of contention for the 6N, he might as well have a look at some other players, and I don't blame him for that.

Webb at 9 will annoy some Scarlets supporters, who seem to hate him - I reckon he's a senior pro who has a good rugby brain, but is past his best. 9 is the position in which the selectors got things wrong in a major way (IMHO) - I'd have picked Cawdor and Blacker - or at least one of them - in preference to any of the three chosen. 

LRZ is better than Dyer, so that's a bit of a puzzler unless he is nursing an injury. 

I understand the thinking about the forwards, though Tshiunza is unlucky. 

Good to see Mason Grady get another shot at 13; last week showed that the 12 for the RWC is likely to be our own Jonny Williams, who was tremendous, but of course he gained fitness too late for this 6N squad.

I think Italy start as favourites for this one - their form has been better. The one thing in our favour is that their outstanding 15 is injured and won't be there - he did for us last year.

The point being about Webb , EO Sir as you stated he's past his best...Rhodri Williams at the Drags would be a better option....his tan though is still up to speed...it doesn't annoy me at all he's picked, just glad it's not a Scarlet player for reasons I've posted for the last 16 years on here.

And Dyer reminds me of Nigel Walker...fast runner but brainless.




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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:52pm
Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

Adam Beard. Why?

Because?

(Because there is no-one else big, experienced and not ancient, injured or playing in Japan)

No, I'm not a fan either - but the cupboard is bare.


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“You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift)


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:54pm
No recognised/experienced fly half replacement?


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:54pm
I'm glad that Patch, Halfpenny & Hardy are all involved after not being released for our match against Munster....


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:55pm
Originally posted by totallybiasedscarlet totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

No recognised/experienced fly half replacement?

Hawkins is the next Dan Carter according to Welsh Management.


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:57pm
Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

Adam Beard. Why?

Why because he's AWJ bestest lock mate....he has no ability at all and reminds me of Derwyn Jones in his prime....except Derwyn didn't have a prime.

I totally get it...I can guarantee he will run a yard and flop over, always on his left side and make incredible jibs at the camera ....money for nothing ...dont call him Beard he is a Dire Straits classic song.






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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:58pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by totallybiasedscarlet totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

No recognised/experienced fly half replacement?

Hawkins is the next Dan Carter according to Welsh Management.

Some confidence Gatland must have to expose him to the position under the circumstances. I can't imagine he's played much senior rugby at fly half?


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:59pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by totallybiasedscarlet totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

No recognised/experienced fly half replacement?

Hawkins is the next Dan Carter according to Welsh Management.

Really? And Chips is an admirer too, I think...

Not seen anything much from him yet, but then I've not seen hm often. I'm sure they are better judges of  back play than I am, so here's hoping...


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“You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift)


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 12:59pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by totallybiasedscarlet totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

No recognised/experienced fly half replacement?

Hawkins is the next Dan Carter according to Welsh Management.

Fscarlet what's you view on this .






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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 1:00pm
Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by totallybiasedscarlet totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

No recognised/experienced fly half replacement?

Hawkins is the next Dan Carter according to Welsh Management.

Really? And Chips is an admirer too, I think...

Not seen anything much from him yet, but then I've not seen hm often. I'm sure they are better judges of  back play than I am, so here's hoping...

Thanks Aber I thought I was becoming a looney tune.




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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 1:00pm
Originally posted by lofty evans lofty evans wrote:

Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

Adam Beard. Why?

Why because he's AWJ bestest lock mate....he has no ability at all and reminds me of Derwyn Jones in his prime....except Derwyn didn't have a prime.

I totally get it...I can guarantee he will run a yard and flop over, always on his left side and make incredible jibs at the camera ....money for nothing ...dont call him Beard he is a Dire Straits classic song.


Haha! LOL

That Derwyn Donk crack is absolutely brilliant!


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“You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift)


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 1:01pm
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Bench our most potent attacking threat Pivac must be advising on selection.


Classic Ladram quote cheers handsome. 




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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 1:01pm
Originally posted by lofty evans lofty evans wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by totallybiasedscarlet totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

No recognised/experienced fly half replacement?

Hawkins is the next Dan Carter according to Welsh Management.

Fscarlet what's you view on this .





I'll be honest I haven't seen much of him, all for bigging players up but that's a hell of a comparison. 


Posted By: gaffer
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 1:07pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by lofty evans lofty evans wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by totallybiasedscarlet totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

No recognised/experienced fly half replacement?

Hawkins is the next Dan Carter according to Welsh Management.

Fscarlet what's you view on this .





I'll be honest I haven't seen much of him, all for bigging players up but that's a hell of a comparison. 

I like Hawkins, he's got a lot of potential and could be very good. Plus, Dan Carter would probably be just 'ok' in our current set-up. Hard to make any comparisons, just give him a chance to show how he progressess in the next year. Though that's going to be difficult as we are now an average Tier 2 nation.


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Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 1:22pm
Originally posted by gaffer gaffer wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by lofty evans lofty evans wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by totallybiasedscarlet totallybiasedscarlet wrote:

No recognised/experienced fly half replacement?

Hawkins is the next Dan Carter according to Welsh Management.

Fscarlet what's you view on this .





I'll be honest I haven't seen much of him, all for bigging players up but that's a hell of a comparison. 

I like Hawkins, he's got a lot of potential and could be very good. Plus, Dan Carter would probably be just 'ok' in our current set-up. Hard to make any comparisons, just give him a chance to show how he progressess in the next year. Though that's going to be difficult as we are now an average Tier 2 nation.

Can you enlighten me why Gaffer....when I'm told he is the next best thing, I want to see something different not just like everyone else. I'd like to see something that makes a " potential gifted player" do something like a Benny, Jiffy, John, to back it all up. I'm all for watching the birth of a superstar, but if I am watching I want to see the dazzle to understand and agree.




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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 1:57pm
Originally posted by lofty evans lofty evans wrote:

Originally posted by jeremy windell jeremy windell wrote:

Adam Beard. Why?

Why because he's AWJ bestest lock mate....he has no ability at all and reminds me of Derwyn Jones in his prime....except Derwyn didn't have a prime.

I totally get it...I can guarantee he will run a yard and flop over, always on his left side and make incredible jibs at the camera ....money for nothing ...dont call him Beard he is a Dire Straits classic song.

Derwyn is in his prime right now, he's been making loads of money (it won't  last) as an agent, paid for by the Regions.





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Keep the faith


Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 2:50pm
Worst Welsh backline for 25 years. Far too many Ospreys in side reminds me of when Wales went mad for Neath players and paid a huge price.
Wales are now officially a laughing stock. 


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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 3:02pm
I think the laughing has stopped and now it's more pity than anything 


Posted By: Lincscarlet
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 3:03pm
Just……just why? Gats had 2 weeks to drop some of the donkeys and call up fresh talent for a crack at test level and he’s…….picked beard. And stuck with Owen Williams who did sod all last time out. Yellow card magnet Sanj goes to fullback and LRZ loses out for what reason? Have to say I’ve seen nowt in Hawkins, he’s had 3 starts and when Tompkins has come been shown up as not really offering anything. Why bother calling up Kieran Williams if he’s just holding tackle bags? Is Carre injured, or just dropped for no reason despite offering one of our few physical threats? And poor Tshiunza must be properly confused, he wouldn’t be in my starting team (should they ever be crazy enough to give me the job of selection) but how is he dropped altogether? 

And Tipuric starts. Jesus. I’ll watch the game but with a sense of horrified fascination rather than entertainment I suspect 


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 3:08pm
It's a selection based apon flicking a coin and deciding by elimination....Italy have a very good set piece , all their players have a job to do and they do it ...This is where I worry as our forwards tactics are erratic at best ...I wonder how many times the number 9 will kick the ball away tomorrow...Also our number 10 isnt international class either .....I will be watching the game with anticipation, all I hope is that it doesn't follow the format that happened in Munster ....by heart won't take it 


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 3:20pm
Gatland is becoming a joke he reckons Wales lost to England  because there were splits in the camp about striking ,Well everyone get your double on now for us to win the last 2 games i thought it was down to taking the field with the sole intent to kick to Steward for more attacks than the Zulus at Rorke's Drift.


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 5:12pm
That is one of the worst selections yet in a disastrous season. Drops Christ t , our only carrying 6 and a lineout option, keeps beard over davies and awj? why? drops lrz for dyer? WHY WHY WHY...Picks owen at 10 over patchell , why? and no 10 on the bench? why? webb past it....cawdor is the form 9 but hes apparently not in the top 3 in wales....if owen misses any kicks no back up kicker either
This is a complete and utter shambles and this time it is down to gats if and when we lose



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Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 7:17pm
Just let Wyn and Ken come back safe and fit. Stuff this pantomime. Im goning to cheer Italy all the way.

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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 8:08pm
Bizarre selectioms gatland losing it


Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 8:18pm
Maybe he's only selecting players who are compliant yes men and leaving the awkward squad out until they toe the party line.  Just a thought  (though not much of a one).  To me he looks like unhappy,  bewildered and missing his old enforcer Edwards.

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Keep the faith


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 8:24pm
Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Just let Wyn and Ken come back safe and fit. Stuff this pantomime. Im goning to cheer Italy all the way.
now that is just stupid , you support your own country all of the way remember Wales belongs to us forever , coaches come and go 
Now
If the lions were playing Italy , I totally agree ..The lions is the biggest lie I've ever seen in any sport ....


Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 8:48pm
Each to their own. I find it difficult to support the team gatland puts out. Gatland has taken the pride out of welsh rugby.

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Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 8:52pm
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Just let Wyn and Ken come back safe and fit. Stuff this pantomime. Im goning to cheer Italy all the way.
now that is just stupid , you support your own country all of the way remember Wales belongs to us forever , coaches come and go 
Now
If the lions were playing Italy , I totally agree ..The lions is the biggest lie I've ever seen in any sport ....

Never thought  I would say this, but Wales might just as well stuck with Pivac until the WC...bizarre as that may sound.
Gatland has undoubtedly  taken  a "poisoned  chalice ", BUT, in terms of tactics and  haphazard  selection, we have gone backwards .
No real hope of anything but another defeat on sat, hopefully,  not too humiliating one.


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Posted By: Milli
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 9:05pm
We aint winning with that lot. Gatland getting real desperate now


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 09 March 2023 at 9:58pm
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Maybe he's only selecting players who are compliant yes men and leaving the awkward squad out until they toe the party line.  Just a thought  (though not much of a one).  To me he looks like unhappy,  bewildered and missing his old enforcer Edwards.


This.

Edwards. 




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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: Sir Duckling Tuft
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 3:08am
Originally posted by lofty evans lofty evans wrote:

Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Maybe he's only selecting players who are compliant yes men and leaving the awkward squad out until they toe the party line.  Just a thought  (though not much of a one).  To me he looks like unhappy,  bewildered and missing his old enforcer Edwards.


This.

Edwards. 



100% right There is a reason why we havent developed or transitioned to a new squad and a lot is down to these mindless selections and the coaches dictating a limited pre-determined game plan....In short kick and chase to orders.

As usual we are not only losing, but we're losing the chance to develop, grow, improve and try different gameplans and different players within these gameplans. Such a waste. 

Im off to william hill to put a few ponies on the azzuri


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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 5:59am
Gatland's appointment was a knee jerk reaction which they thought would appease the public because of his past successes it's pretty obvious he has become stale with his ideas compared to any of the other coaches in 6 nations.


Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 6:31am
Who in their right mind would appoint a coach who has only won 1 game in 3 years. Even his previous employers moved him away from coaching. The Chiefs must be clapping their arses that the WRU have taken him off thier hands.

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Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 6:49am
will be really bad if italy dont win this match..


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 7:58am
Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Gatland's appointment was a knee jerk reaction which they thought would appease the public because of his past successes it's pretty obvious he has become stale with his ideas compared to any of the other coaches in 6 nations.
spot on but its his selections thst baffle me. He was always boring but consistent 


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 8:24am
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by ladram ladram wrote:

Gatland's appointment was a knee jerk reaction which they thought would appease the public because of his past successes it's pretty obvious he has become stale with his ideas compared to any of the other coaches in 6 nations.
spot on but its his selections thst baffle me. He was always boring but consistent 

Yes he was consistent. Once that first game had gone he should have selected a young team and stuck with it. 


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 8:39am
Im not even arsed about this game.


Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 9:55am
I will support Wales but won’t be too bothered if we lose. I am convinced the side we put out last week against Munster would beat this Welsh side. 

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She asks why i still can't answer. I guess its in the blood.


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 10:36am
The amount of guff because the greatest 9 ever is back in a Welsh Jersey is gobsmaking.
The Welsh nation have a Saviour.




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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: Sir Duckling Tuft
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 10:53am
Originally posted by lofty evans lofty evans wrote:

The amount of guff because the greatest 9 ever is back in a Welsh Jersey is gobsmaking.
The Welsh nation have a Saviour.


Gatland can rely on players like our feeble giant beard , kickaholic Owen and tanman Webb - excellent rugby players in their prime ,who could drag any team from the jaws of defeat to world domination, honest LOL



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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 11:30am
Excellent post Clap


Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 2:38pm
Originally posted by Sir Duckling Tuft Sir Duckling Tuft wrote:

Originally posted by lofty evans lofty evans wrote:

The amount of guff because the greatest 9 ever is back in a Welsh Jersey is gobsmaking.
The Welsh nation have a Saviour.


Gatland can rely on players like our feeble giant beard , kickaholic Owen and tanman Webb - excellent rugby players in their prime ,who could drag any team from the jaws of defeat to world domination, honest LOL

In fairness the ball Owen had from Williams was so slow he didn't have much choice.


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 10 March 2023 at 6:22pm
Will Gatland turn out to be the last straw clutching of a tainted regime and they all go down together?

Bring on the commemorative wooden spoons…….


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 8:02am
Well the day of reckoning has arrived. Will Wales have one hand on the wooden spoon and a lowest ever World ranking come 1700 hours? Capouzo's absence gives us a better chance for sure. I expect a very nervy affair, another card for Liam and more woe for Gatland. Hope I am wrong on all counts. 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 8:08am
I think well win today man for man we are stull a better team. Let”s do this wales


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 8:11am
On my shift right now...Italy won the hands up vote with my team.





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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 8:26am
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

I think well win today man for man we are stull a better team. Let”s do this wales

I don't know if I quite agree with that RR. Front 5 is pretty even I would say with their back row superior to ours mainly because they have the correct balance - Negri is a hard carrier, Connone, the young 8 is a huge presence going forward & their captain at 7 is a terrier at the breakdown. They have the edge in pace & control at half back & their midfield is solid if unspectacular. Our best chance would have been to try to exploit the 13 & wide channels but inexplicably we have left our most explosive runner on the bench.

Do Hawkins & Grady have enough guile to exploit them. Add into the mix a very canny coach - Crowley who spotted Irish problems in the 13 channel with two 12's playing and set his team up so well & the more I dwell the worse I feel. 



Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 8:28am
See what we just did there RR - we disagreed without using the word s--t. I knew it could be done.Wink


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 8:31am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

See what we just did there RR - we disagreed without using the word s--t. I knew it could be done.Wink
well said my friendWink


Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 8:48am
I’m really torn on this one it could be a disaster for us if we win as It will enhance the status quo and we will continue to pick the same players who have under performed for too long.
A breath do fresh air is needed on and off the pitch. 


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Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 11:02am
Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

I’m really torn on this one it could be a disaster for us if we win as It will enhance the status quo and we will continue to pick the same players who have under performed for too long.
A breath do fresh air is needed on and off the pitch. 

Agree it is one of those games 


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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: Cofi
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 12:24pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

I think well win today man for man we are stull a better team. Let”s do this wales

I don't know if I quite agree with that RR. Front 5 is pretty even I would say with their back row superior to ours mainly because they have the correct balance - Negri is a hard carrier, Connone, the young 8 is a huge presence going forward & their captain at 7 is a terrier at the breakdown. They have the edge in pace & control at half back & their midfield is solid if unspectacular. Our best chance would have been to try to exploit the 13 & wide channels but inexplicably we have left our most explosive runner on the bench.

Do Hawkins & Grady have enough guile to exploit them. Add into the mix a very canny coach - Crowley who spotted Irish problems in the 13 channel with two 12's playing and set his team up so well & the more I dwell the worse I feel. 

I'd convinced myself we'd be OK until I read this. Your not wrong-i was!


Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 3:00pm
Hate to say it Webb has been fantastic 


Posted By: Milli
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 3:03pm
Webb rolling back the clock, been very good


Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 3:10pm
See nothing in our centres very poor on ball and opened up to easily.
Italy reverting to type and we having the luck of the Irish Welsh Germans and every other country.
Could be the worst thing that happens to us 


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Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 3:12pm
Italians are beating themselves tbh. Better by Wales but the Italians ripped up the backs so easy the French will love to play us next week.
40 minutes left ...anything can happen. 




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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 3:13pm
Originally posted by Milli Milli wrote:

Webb rolling back the clock, been very good

Is that analogue or digital...he's been efficient.  




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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 3:17pm
Wales have just taken their chances so much better... best try was Liam's, who did fantastically well to keep his balance.

We've had a lot of luck with the bounce and poor Italian play or decisions. The ref has been fairly good, though had to be corrected by his assistants a couple of times.

Surely, we can't find a way to lose this one - but, please, don't take any dummies second half... just smash the ball carrier! I'd like to see a little bit more enterprise, too - not so much box kicking. Mix it up a bit more.


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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 3:19pm
Originally posted by lofty evans lofty evans wrote:

Originally posted by Milli Milli wrote:

Webb rolling back the clock, been very good

Is that analogue or digital...he's been efficient.  



I said a while back that Webb was the only 9 in the squad who's form is good - he does what he does very well, and has a better vision than the others. Tomos W and hardy should not have been picked in the first place on this year's form.


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Posted By: Lincscarlet
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 3:39pm
It pains me to say it, but Webb is on fire today. Great game from him so far. We are lucky Italy can’t score for love nor money though - most other teams would have buried those chances and be well ahead on the scoreboard 


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 3:40pm
Mark Orders currently reaching for his second box of tissues unless he's thumbing..... 


Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 4:16pm
Poor display. Italy far better team. Luck was on Wales' side today. Ref was poor. Hawkins and grady MIA. Neil jenkins bragging up Hawkins, to me he was shocking. And that is being generous.

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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 4:16pm
Control went when Webb went off Tom is should be nowhere near the squad Dan Carter has a long way to go


Posted By: gaffer
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 4:19pm
Webb deserved MoM and the best 9 for Wales this 6 Nations despite having less pace than most props. 
Our defence and clearing out is hopeless. Fitness levels are questionable. Pivac has done a great deal of damage in his 3 years. Trouble is there's not a lot of quality coming through - very weak, especially at 3, 8, 9. 10. 13. I'm not over the moon at that performance.


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Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 4:20pm
Wales won but looking at it, the Italians threw 6 or 7 chances away, cut us up in midfield so easily and ran through us, if they had finished what they started they would have won. That's the reality of it, the most creative side lost and I even thought was Owen Williams playing.
We haven't turned a corner and we are truly boring and France will put a cricket score on us with this side.
10, 12, 13 against French class will be embarrassing....dont understand the enthusiasm for these players as they were up against Italy....not France.
They even ran through us from their own 22....this back line of Wales is rubbish. 




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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 4:29pm
So it's  off to the South of France for a week for the boys to spend the hard earned money of the WRU for so called team building.  How many hangers on will also get a freebie.  And if they overspend on the jolly the Regional benefactors will pick up the tab!  What a farce.

Back to that performance today, are 12 and 13 realy the best centre in Wales?


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Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 4:39pm
congratulations and happy for you, at least is not so bad, for me, lost against Wales..
We had our bad day at office and without Ioane and Capuozzo, Italy is a normal team, specially against a team with immense experience as today Wales..
Hope Italy can win next week


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 4:40pm
A win crafted in polyfilla and woodchip on a background of the hosts having played the worst they’ve played for some time.

The result, while good for 500K in terms of 6N league place, changes nothing.

Next Saturday is likely to be very difficult indeed and a score gap rather wide


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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 4:41pm
Originally posted by Mr Ian Mr Ian wrote:

congratulations and happy for you, at least is not so bad, for me, lost against Wales..
We had our bad day at office and without Ioane and Capuozzo, Italy is a normal team, specially against a team with immense experience as today Wales..
Hope Italy can win next week
The Italian tries were more enterprising and capable of unlocking more sides than our attack. We just happened to be in Rome when Italy had their worst game for some considerable time. Sorry to see that.

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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 4:44pm
Webb motm ..killing me saying it ...Jenkins awesome 2nd row .....I fell we may just win the world cup and make billions off Netflix 


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 4:48pm
Webb did the basics well...he can't run so his game was based on that.

Next up for him to face is the best no 9 on the planet A Dupont who will expose his weaknesses, graphically....just saying.

As for the rest of the French backs....carnage.




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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 4:50pm
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Webb motm ..killing me saying it ...Jenkins awesome 2nd row .....I fell we may just win the world cup and make billions off Netflix 

Your a better man than me.




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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: gaffer
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 5:12pm
On the bright side the Sais are getting battered at HQ Tongue

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Posted By: lofty evans
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 5:32pm
England getting smashed by the French.

Next up for Wales are besides Dupont....the best player on the planet are Jonathan Danty, Fickou, Penaud Ramos ....and we have ....oh yes.




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In 1972, Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty"

"All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 5:48pm
Worst result possible for Welsh rugby going forward, as others have said the papering over of cracks is frightening.
Our centres were torn to shreds today and Owens Williams offers nothing. Dyer is not international standard his attempt at a tackle when last line of defence was schoolboy stuff.
Jenkins very good in second row and could form a decent pair with Rowlands. 
France will put 50 on this side in Paris next week 


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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 5:53pm
I agree but joining a dud league like the English isn't the answer


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 6:10pm
Who’s looking forward to hearing what Sir Clive and Jonny have to say afterwards?

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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 6:11pm
The match has been over as a contest for some time. It’s quite painful for the hosts

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Posted By: EJPT
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 6:12pm
Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Worst result possible for Welsh rugby going forward, as others have said the papering over of cracks is frightening.
Our centres were torn to shreds today and Owens Williams offers nothing. Dyer is not international standard his attempt at a tackle when last line of defence was schoolboy stuff.
Jenkins very good in second row and could form a decent pair with Rowlands. 
France will put 50 on this side in Paris next week 
What would losing to italy prove. Everyone knows we are pants. Winning this against a woeful Italy team proves nothing, we did it last year LOL


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 6:16pm
Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Worst result possible for Welsh rugby going forward, as others have said the papering over of cracks is frightening.
Our centres were torn to shreds today and Owens Williams offers nothing. Dyer is not international standard his attempt at a tackle when last line of defence was schoolboy stuff.
Jenkins very good in second row and could form a decent pair with Rowlands. 
France will put 50 on this side in Paris next week 
What would losing to italy prove. Everyone knows we are pants. Winning this against a woeful Italy team proves nothing, we did it last year LOL
It would have been more catalyst for change. The win is a straw to clutch; a distraction from the real picture.

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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 6:18pm
Good to see Ben O’Keeffe enabling such a flowing game. Also to see that he’s spent sufficient time learning French and able to speak it appropriately in the match environment under pressure

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Posted By: gaffer
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 6:51pm
Originally posted by EJPT EJPT wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Worst result possible for Welsh rugby going forward, as others have said the papering over of cracks is frightening.
Our centres were torn to shreds today and Owens Williams offers nothing. Dyer is not international standard his attempt at a tackle when last line of defence was schoolboy stuff.
Jenkins very good in second row and could form a decent pair with Rowlands. 
France will put 50 on this side in Paris next week 
What would losing to italy prove. Everyone knows we are pants. Winning this against a woeful Italy team proves nothing, we did it last year LOL
Except we lost 21-22.
And don't tell me it’s ironic because it isn’t.


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Posted By: Lincscarlet
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 7:12pm
We were largely awful, the ref hated Italy we could easily have had a couple of yellow cards in that game. All I saw Hawkins do was kick a ball away 2m out from their line when there was 4 red shirts outside him. 
I’m really disappointed that gats didn’t look outside his initial squad after they were exposed 3 games in a row, plenty of players ignored first time round who would have been an improvement on what’s there. Hoping we ate up for a scrap vs France, they just look awesome 1-23. 


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 8:14pm
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this team Wales bashing a way to get back at the WRU?


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 11 March 2023 at 8:44pm
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this team Wales bashing a way to get back at the WRU?
Might have misunderstood your post, however….

We’ve been getting bashed by quite a few sides.

Or, do you mean the fans criticising?


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