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Topic: Sunday’s Governance Vote
Posted By: Eastern outpost
Subject: Sunday’s Governance Vote
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 4:49pm
This is a good read, from Steffan Thomas, talking to someone who knows plenty about running big business well, Henry Engelhardt of Admiral and Chicago Cubs.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/henry-engelhardt-speaks-out-sunday-26520411" rel="nofollow - https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/henry-engelhardt-speaks-out-sunday-26520411

Fingers crossed for the vote going through.


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Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 6:57pm
That’s an excellent if not frightening interview, if the vote doesn’t go through.


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 9:18pm

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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 21 March 2023 at 9:29pm
Any no votes known of


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 22 March 2023 at 3:54am
No one has come out and said it.


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 22 March 2023 at 6:32am
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Any no votes known of

Yes but as they’re not on social media I’m not going to name. 

I know of at least 4 in the district I play in. 


Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 22 March 2023 at 7:57am
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Any no votes known of

Yes but as they’re not on social media I’m not going to name. 

I know of at least 4 in the district I play in. 
They should be named and shamed as they will be responsible for the death of our game. The stakes could not be higher for the game and people should have to justify their decision. 


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She asks why i still can't answer. I guess its in the blood.


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 22 March 2023 at 8:05am
Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Any no votes known of

Yes but as they’re not on social media I’m not going to name. 

I know of at least 4 in the district I play in. 
They should be named and shamed as they will be responsible for the death of our game. The stakes could not be higher for the game and people should have to justify their decision. 

I agree, I know some clubs have objected to the wording of the whole thing but for me it's not a reason to vote against the whole vote. Some clubs local to me have said they're unhappy that there have to be 5 women on the board rather than it be the best person. 


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 22 March 2023 at 8:08am
Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Any no votes known of

Yes but as they’re not on social media I’m not going to name. 

I know of at least 4 in the district I play in. 
They should be named and shamed as they will be responsible for the death of our game. The stakes could not be higher for the game and people should have to justify their decision. 

Big, big decision. The amount of sponsorship funds on the line could sink the WRU. Part of me says that may be a good thing in a perverse sort of way. Get shot once & for all, everyone made redundant & the governance of the professional game in Wales can be done by a board drawn from the 4 professional teams plus an Independent full time chairperson/CEO. 

Let the 282 amateur teams convene their own governance structure. 


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 22 March 2023 at 9:49am
I agree , part of me feels a clear break is needed not some new strangled relationship 


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 22 March 2023 at 6:56pm
Anyone know what the provisions are in the event of the WRU being liquidated?

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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 22 March 2023 at 7:24pm
There is a plan B but I haven't seen it


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 22 March 2023 at 7:31pm
282 Clubs voting 
212 Votes needed for it to go through 


Posted By: gaffer
Date Posted: 23 March 2023 at 9:56am
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Any no votes known of

Yes but as they’re not on social media I’m not going to name. 

I know of at least 4 in the district I play in. 
They should be named and shamed as they will be responsible for the death of our game. The stakes could not be higher for the game and people should have to justify their decision. 

I agree, I know some clubs have objected to the wording of the whole thing but for me it's not a reason to vote against the whole vote. Some clubs local to me have said they're unhappy that there have to be 5 women on the board rather than it be the best person.

In the 21st century the assumption that the women would be token appointments and therefore, 'not as good as men', shows just how much work there is to be done. The whole board could be female as far as I am concerned. There is absolutely no reason to believe that there aren't women who could do the job. 


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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 23 March 2023 at 10:34am
Looking at female refs , what a revelation , straight no nonsense and calm ....i prefer a female ref over many male ones 


Posted By: scarletabroad
Date Posted: 23 March 2023 at 1:16pm
I have a vested interest in this going through and not just as a supporter.

However as is the case in the civil service where I work once you state there must be a minimum number of race, sex orientation etc there will always be the doubt of someone's ability and whether they are there on merit or just a quota which can subconsciously affect the person in the role through self doubt and also the blazered bigots grounds for continued argument. I agree totally with all the comments made that the best person whoever they are gets the job end of debate. Perhaps it would have been better to propose the initial new board has a make up of what they wish it to be and then through time maintain it with the best people available whoever they are with the foundations of the new board to direct them.


Posted By: Scarlet O'Hara
Date Posted: 23 March 2023 at 1:53pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Any no votes known of

Yes but as they’re not on social media I’m not going to name. 

I know of at least 4 in the district I play in. 
They should be named and shamed as they will be responsible for the death of our game. The stakes could not be higher for the game and people should have to justify their decision. 

I agree, I know some clubs have objected to the wording of the whole thing but for me it's not a reason to vote against the whole vote. Some clubs local to me have said they're unhappy that there have to be 5 women on the board rather than it be the best person. 

I have mentioned before about my thoughts on quotas however, it is lack of diversity that got them into this mess in the first place. The men chosen clearly were not the best people for the job they lacked the majority of skills necessary, you could argue they only got their positions because they were men.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 23 March 2023 at 2:10pm
Originally posted by Scarlet O'Hara Scarlet O'Hara wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Any no votes known of

Yes but as they’re not on social media I’m not going to name. 

I know of at least 4 in the district I play in. 
They should be named and shamed as they will be responsible for the death of our game. The stakes could not be higher for the game and people should have to justify their decision. 

I agree, I know some clubs have objected to the wording of the whole thing but for me it's not a reason to vote against the whole vote. Some clubs local to me have said they're unhappy that there have to be 5 women on the board rather than it be the best person. 

I have mentioned before about my thoughts on quotas however, it is lack of diversity that got them into this mess in the first place. The men chosen clearly were not the best people for the job they lacked the majority of skills necessary, you could argue they only got their positions because they were men.

Spot on Scarlet. A meritocracy will ensure plenty of female representation. 


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 25 March 2023 at 12:43pm
I do hope this goes through. If it needs tidying up later, fine. Things will look bleak if it doesn't.

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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 25 March 2023 at 1:47pm
Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

I do hope this goes through. If it needs tidying up later, fine. Things will look bleak if it doesn't.
Maybe the Cardiff Phoenix if it doesn’t and the sponsors pull the plug?!

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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 26 March 2023 at 9:33am
Today’s the day then.


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 26 March 2023 at 5:35pm
How come ieuan is departing ?

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Posted By: John
Date Posted: 26 March 2023 at 5:44pm
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

How come ieuan is departing ?

Because the new organisation needs an experienced person in that position. It says alot for Ieuan's character that he knew there will be people better qualified than him to drive through the necessary changes at all levels. A man who did the necessary and then steps aside is a big man.


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 26 March 2023 at 5:54pm
Originally posted by John John wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

How come ieuan is departing ?

Because the new organisation needs an experienced person in that position. It says alot for Ieuan's character that he knew there will be people better qualified than him to drive through the necessary changes at all levels. A man who did the necessary and then steps aside is a big man.
Thanks John. Well encapsulated.

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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 26 March 2023 at 6:06pm
Originally posted by John John wrote:

Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

How come ieuan is departing ?

Because the new organisation needs an experienced person in that position. It says alot for Ieuan's character that he knew there will be people better qualified than him to drive through the necessary changes at all levels. A man who did the necessary and then steps aside is a big man.

No one has more rugby experience than him, I hope he stays involved in some capacity.


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ROYMOND MUNTER MBE (FOR SERVICES TO THE COMBOVER)


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 26 March 2023 at 6:14pm
Ieuan has done a great job some of the stick he took was way out of line he should still play a part even if not the chair . Onwards and upwards now


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 26 March 2023 at 6:25pm
Yes he said earlier that with 5 women on the board there should be a massive improvement in sandwiches , teas and dusting Embarrassed


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 26 March 2023 at 7:00pm
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Yes he said earlier that with 5 women on the board there should be a massive improvement in sandwiches , teas and dusting Embarrassed

😂 I really do hope they don't stick with that stringently just to tick a box. 


Posted By: Realwest
Date Posted: 26 March 2023 at 7:14pm
Oooohhh the lefties will be after you, I didn’t laugh at that at all 😳


Posted By: Realwest
Date Posted: 26 March 2023 at 7:21pm
This whole 5 women on the board is absolute bull rubbish, clearly a box ticking exercise if they are employing 10 people it should be best 10 that apply for the job, and if the best 10 are women employ 10 women.


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 26 March 2023 at 7:23pm
Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

This whole 5 women on the board is absolute bull rubbish, clearly a box ticking exercise if they are employing 10 people it should be best 10 that apply for the job, and if the best 10 are women employ 10 women.
Would you welcome back Amanda Blanc?

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Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 26 March 2023 at 8:12pm
Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

This whole 5 women on the board is absolute bull rubbish, clearly a box ticking exercise if they are employing 10 people it should be best 10 that apply for the job, and if the best 10 are women employ 10 women.
Would you welcome back Amanda Blanc?

Anyone would but that's not what the point he's trying to make is. People are screaming out for the right people in the job. If that's all male, all female or a mixture, there shouldn't be an agenda. It should be who is the best. 


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 26 March 2023 at 8:52pm
Originally posted by SA14 SA14 wrote:

Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

This whole 5 women on the board is absolute bull rubbish, clearly a box ticking exercise if they are employing 10 people it should be best 10 that apply for the job, and if the best 10 are women employ 10 women.
Would you welcome back Amanda Blanc?

Anyone would but that's not what the point he's trying to make is. People are screaming out for the right people in the job. If that's all male, all female or a mixture, there shouldn't be an agenda. It should be who is the best. 
Agreed.

However, with what’s gone before, there’s plenty of “porridge” to be consumed. Having been found lacking in the areas they have, the union has to show to the world that it is a much more diverse organisation and that its culture will follow a similar route.

A board that has the input of top quality entrepreneurs of whatever hue/gender will be a huge step up from Bob the Geog and similar, in terms of the £100m turnover business.


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Posted By: Realwest
Date Posted: 26 March 2023 at 9:05pm
Yes Amanda Blanc is exactly the sort of person we need to be looking at employing, she said she wasn’t listened to, it would be interesting to see what she was saying.


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 26 March 2023 at 9:15pm
Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

Yes Amanda Blanc is exactly the sort of person we need to be looking at employing, she said she wasn’t listened to, it would be interesting to see what she was saying.
I think we all hope she’ll lend her expertise to the union rebirth

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In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind.


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 26 March 2023 at 9:17pm
In light of the debacle its totally understandable the need and demand for more female representation on the board, though a fixed quota would be wrong imo... Lets scour for the best candidates now..I hope this so called change is about far more than gender numbers though. Theres a ton of other things that need addressing too

Will this reform prise some of the power away from the clubs? What will be done about the fact our pro regions get paid a lot less than irish sides? How is the even calculated? Is there some secret barnet formula? How can they justify their non rugby related investments?  How do they intend to increase revenues beyond £100 million? I would have though having the biggest indoor stadium in europe is a facility that should make them a fortune? Whats being done to improve the semi pro league? What will be done to reduce payments to pub players in the lower leagues? In light of the covid crash , will the wru look to remortgage their assets again to raise short term funding? Any news up north? Will an RCG region be seeking to play at the newly rebuilt ryan reynolds stadium??? 

Crucially this should at least begin some improvements and start repairing damaged reputations. Crucial in growing the game and in attracting investors...Hopefully they can head hunt a few billionaires too. Theyre already rubbing shoulders with terry matthews at the parkgate hotel who's recently built the biggest convention centre in wales too, surely we can be doing more events together


Dear old ieuan and nigel I suspect do not have all the answers, but plenty of good business cliches lol Im glad walker thinks they all "violently agree" LOL  lets hope these changes and processes ask all the right questions and trawl the world for the best of the best to take us back to the topThumbs Up


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Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 26 March 2023 at 10:19pm
Wasn't aware we had a semi pro league under the WRU.
Thought it was 4 pro teams and the rest amateur. 


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Keep the faith


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 26 March 2023 at 11:37pm
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Wasn't aware we had a semi pro league under the WRU.
Thought it was 4 pro teams and the rest amateur. 

They don't get much really, think it's £50,000 each but don't quote me on that 


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 27 March 2023 at 12:22am
Originally posted by roy munster roy munster wrote:

In light of the debacle its totally understandable the need and demand for more female representation on the board, though a fixed quote would be wrong imo... Lets scour for the best candidates now..I hope this so called change is about far more than gender numbers though. Theres a ton of other things that need addressing too

Will this reform prise some of the power away from the clubs? What will be done about the fact our pro regions get paid a lot less than irish sides? How is the even calculated? Is there some secret barnet formula? How can they justify their non rugby related investments?  How do they intend to increase revenues beyond £100 million? I would have though having the biggest indoor stadium in europe is a facility that should make them a fortune? Whats being done to improve the semi pro league? What will be done to reduce payments to pub players in the lower leagues? In light of the covid crash , will the wru look to remortgage their assets again to raise short term funding? Any news up north? Will an RCG region be seeking to play at the newly rebuilt ryan reynolds stadium??? 

Crucially this should at least begin some improvements and start repairing damaged reputations. Crucial in growing the game and in attracting investors...Hopefully they can head hunt a few billionaires too. Theyre already rubbing shoulders with terry matthews at the parkgate hotel who's recently built the biggest convention centre in wales too, surely we can be doing more events together


Dear old ieuan and nigel I suspect do not have all the answers, but plenty of good business cliches lol Im glad walker thinks they all "violently agree" LOL  lets hope these changes and processes ask all the right questions and trawl the world for the best of the best to take us back to the topThumbs Up


A very sensible balanced viewpoint Roy.. thank you  !
We should all be overjoyed with the right decision has been made, by the clubs, but as Roy rightly points out...the hard work starts now, find a chair and CEO, to drive things forward.

A word for REALWEST and SA14 however,  I agree with the posts above above regarding the right people , regardless of gender should be targeted 
BUT, we are only in this position because some incredibly brave women spoke up and exposed sexism and misogyny, highlighting what a dinosaur the WRU was.
Its right and proper therefore, that there are designated women on that board, not sure about 5, as a set number however. They obviously would have to be suitably qualified , appropriate to what is required , with the relevant experience. There is also a need for someone with a specific  remit to speak for the women's  game, which is another issue completely


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 27 March 2023 at 7:53am
Base the appointments purely on meritocracy. That will guarantee plenty of female involvement. 


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 27 March 2023 at 10:12am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Base the appointments purely on meritocracy. That will guarantee plenty of female involvement. 

I agree. Select on merit. The 6 best candidates may be men, but one will then be rejected to get 5 women on the Board. The WRU may have painted themselves into a corner here. What if no women are currently prepared to get involved ? Some may not want to, bearing in mind what has gone on ? Some may feel that they are merely a token gesture !


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 27 March 2023 at 10:30am
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Wasn't aware we had a semi pro league under the WRU.
Thought it was 4 pro teams and the rest amateur. 
no the welsh prem pay look at some of the guys cardiff rfc have in their team or merthyr


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 27 March 2023 at 10:38am
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Wasn't aware we had a semi pro league under the WRU.
Thought it was 4 pro teams and the rest amateur. 
no the welsh prem pay look at some of the guys cardiff rfc have in their team or merthyr
And Aberavon and Drovers etc The Rfc are most probably the worst payers hence the worst club in the league 


Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 27 March 2023 at 10:38am
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Base the appointments purely on meritocracy. That will guarantee plenty of female involvement. 

I agree. Select on merit. The 6 best candidates may be men, but one will then be rejected to get 5 women on the Board. The WRU may have painted themselves into a corner here. What if no women are currently prepared to get involved ? Some may not want to, bearing in mind what has gone on ? Some may feel that they are merely a token gesture !

But what if that one man is a good candidate but the women is worse than him? 


Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 27 March 2023 at 10:52am
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Wasn't aware we had a semi pro league under the WRU.
Thought it was 4 pro teams and the rest amateur. 
no the welsh prem pay look at some of the guys cardiff rfc have in their team or merthyr

So who funds the player's wages, £50,000 a year will scaresly fund two players let alone a squad.  Or do the WRU give them all much more than that?


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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 27 March 2023 at 10:55am
How do you propose that the process decides who is better than the other


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 27 March 2023 at 11:06am
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Wasn't aware we had a semi pro league under the WRU.
Thought it was 4 pro teams and the rest amateur. 
no the welsh prem pay look at some of the guys cardiff rfc have in their team or merthyr

So who funds the player's wages, £50,000 a year will scaresly fund two players let alone a squad.  Or do the WRU give them all much more than that?
stan and peter thomas prob fund the cardiff and merthyr players wages, guys like fish beck haberfield and allen are not playing for free. others rely on bar takings ticket sales and local sponsors like any club really. Don’t llandovery have like a camping site they own? Quins let the club house for functions etc


Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 27 March 2023 at 11:26am
Thanks 
It's hard to see how these established clubs are going to accept the WRU proposals for an 8 team elite/ development league to feed the Regions.


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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 27 March 2023 at 11:32am
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Thanks 
It's hard to see how these established clubs are going to accept the WRU proposals for an 8 team elite/ development league to feed the Regions.
there are going to be some big clubs missing out or sone of the best run clubs. The big historical clubs eg us swansea and neath should on results all miss out. Not sure the 8 club thing will get in which is a shame as it is needed tbh


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 27 March 2023 at 11:39am
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Thanks 
It's hard to see how these established clubs are going to accept the WRU proposals for an 8 team elite/ development league to feed the Regions.

It may suit those who want to improve and get more funding as a reduced welsh prem will raise standards and concentrate more funding between fewer teams...Theres also rules on facilities being improved etc The regions / wesh prem clubs need to have far stricter rules too on drafting squad players who are not involved in regional games that particular week..Jiffy is always on about the fact these young players are simply not playing enough games and hes right. If theyre not playing draft them out to the clubs...

So too gatlands unused squad players are often wasted throughut the 6 nations. Look at patchell played abut half an hour in 6 weeks...Heck they reckon ray grav was so mad keen on playing as a teenager hed cram in 2 or 3 junior matches a dayLOL


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Posted By: bydder
Date Posted: 27 March 2023 at 2:54pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Wasn't aware we had a semi pro league under the WRU.
Thought it was 4 pro teams and the rest amateur. 
no the welsh prem pay look at some of the guys cardiff rfc have in their team or merthyr

So who funds the player's wages, £50,000 a year will scaresly fund two players let alone a squad.  Or do the WRU give them all much more than that?
stan and peter thomas prob fund the cardiff and merthyr players wages, guys like fish beck haberfield and allen are not playing for free. others rely on bar takings ticket sales and local sponsors like any club really. Don’t llandovery have like a camping site they own? Quins let the club house for functions etc
think they own the caravan park next door to tge pitch

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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 27 March 2023 at 4:31pm
Originally posted by bydder bydder wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Wasn't aware we had a semi pro league under the WRU.
Thought it was 4 pro teams and the rest amateur. 
no the welsh prem pay look at some of the guys cardiff rfc have in their team or merthyr

So who funds the player's wages, £50,000 a year will scaresly fund two players let alone a squad.  Or do the WRU give them all much more than that?
stan and peter thomas prob fund the cardiff and merthyr players wages, guys like fish beck haberfield and allen are not playing for free. others rely on bar takings ticket sales and local sponsors like any club really. Don’t llandovery have like a camping site they own? Quins let the club house for functions etc
think they own the caravan park next door to tge pitch
An excellent example of a sensible expansion into the hospitality sector Wink

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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 27 March 2023 at 8:07pm
No jokes about taking loans from caravan park owners pls 😁

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Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 27 March 2023 at 9:46pm
They all get same money from WRU 78k I was told if they go over that comes out of their own pockets like sponsors or benefactors 

Llandovery rent out the land around them to caravaners so bring a lot of income from that 
Quins have functions room let for parties and in my opinion should consider renting their training ground to caravaners bring in income if rumours I heard last that their benefactor was walking away 




Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 27 March 2023 at 9:47pm
Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by bydder bydder wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Wasn't aware we had a semi pro league under the WRU.
Thought it was 4 pro teams and the rest amateur. 
no the welsh prem pay look at some of the guys cardiff rfc have in their team or merthyr

So who funds the player's wages, £50,000 a year will scaresly fund two players let alone a squad.  Or do the WRU give them all much more than that?
stan and peter thomas prob fund the cardiff and merthyr players wages, guys like fish beck haberfield and allen are not playing for free. others rely on bar takings ticket sales and local sponsors like any club really. Don’t llandovery have like a camping site they own? Quins let the club house for functions etc
think they own the caravan park next door to tge pitch
An excellent example of a sensible expansion into the hospitality sector Wink

Heard ex Ponty players on big money with Merthyr 


Posted By: Gate12
Date Posted: 16 June 2023 at 10:39am
https://www.wru.wales/2023/06/richard-collier-keywood-and-alison-thorne-join-wru-board/" rel="nofollow - Welsh Rugby Union | Wales & Regions | Richard Collier-Keywood and Alison Thorne join WRU Board

An opportune moment to thank Ieuan Evans for taking on the Chair role and being 100% behind the reforms from day 1, which he knew would see him replaced within a matter of months.

There's been plenty of people questioning his capability and motives but he's seen the changes through and I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest he's done it out of self interest, he's always been an advocate of a more professional WRU and he's now seen that through unlike so many that sat back and did nothing.

Diolch Ieuan.


Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 16 June 2023 at 5:20pm
Yes, we’ll done Ieuan, a club legend, one of my favourite ever players.  He’s come in, forced through the changes that we all knew needed to happen - not an easy job because it required him persuading turkeys to vote for Christmas, and has now he’s made himself surplus to requirements.  
This is in complete contrast to previous holders of the role, who just accepted it as a cushy number (usually for a number of years) without having to much.
Diolch Ieuan.


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 18 June 2023 at 1:13pm

Welsh rugby is set for a significant shake-up with a 10-team league, sitting between the regional and semi-professional game, expected to get given the go ahead for the 2024/25 season.

The Welsh Rugby Union has been in talks with its key stakeholders for months in a bid to find a way to bridge the gap between the semi-professional game and the professional game.

Originally, the plan was to have an elite eight-team league but they have reached a compromise of 10 clubs. Crucially, this new competition will be under the control of the Professional Game Board, not the Community Game board




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