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Topic: 2023 Ashes
Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Subject: 2023 Ashes
Date Posted: 31 May 2023 at 8:06am
England's warm up game against Ireland this week in preparation for an eagerly awaited Ashes series against the old enemy. In my playing days I always enjoyed playing against Australians & South Africans - the banter used to be great. Bairstow back for England and batting at 7 shows the strength of the batting line up. My main worry, batting wise, is the form of Crawley who does need a solid series at the top of the order. 

Let battle commence. 



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Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 31 May 2023 at 1:17pm
Yes should be a good summer of cricket ahead.


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 31 May 2023 at 2:17pm
Pity Welsh players aren’t involved with England these days but I guess we never really were big time 


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 31 May 2023 at 2:46pm
E.C.B has no Welsh in it , neither should the cricket side 


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 31 May 2023 at 2:51pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Pity Welsh players aren’t involved with England these days but I guess we never really were big time 

We'd probably stand more of a chance of Welsh players being involved if Glamorgan could get out of Division 2 & stay in Division 1. 


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 31 May 2023 at 4:47pm
Great point , a warning to all those who want to jump ship in a rugby comparison ....no one cares about Glamorgan ...


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 01 June 2023 at 6:37am
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Great point , a warning to all those who want to jump ship in a rugby comparison ....no one cares about Glamorgan ...

If a Glamorgan, Welsh born player was good enough they would be selected. I totally agree with the nonsense around the name. It should have always been called the British Cricket Board & the team Britain but that does not detract from the spectacle of the series for me.


Posted By: Kentexile
Date Posted: 01 June 2023 at 7:05am
Is it time to think about a Welsh cricket team even for one day cricket ? Ireland and Scotland do and that doesn’t seem to stop the occasional player who has represented them representing England.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 01 June 2023 at 8:01am
I think the Scottish team is a decent example. As far as I am aware the Irish is purely a republic of Ireland team so do not qualify for Engerland. Back in my playing days we used to have  a Welsh team who played against Minor Counties teams but I don't think it contained any professionals. 


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 01 June 2023 at 8:53am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

I think the Scottish team is a decent example. As far as I am aware the Irish is purely a republic of Ireland team so do not qualify for Engerland. Back in my playing days we used to have  a Welsh team who played against Minor Counties teams but I don't think it contained any professionals. 

Im sure there are players who have represented both Ireland & England.

Edit: Taken from wiki 
Both  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dougie_Brown" rel="nofollow - Dougie Brown  and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Joyce" rel="nofollow - Ed Joyce  began their international careers with England before switching teams, to  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland_national_cricket_team" rel="nofollow - Scotland  and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland_cricket_team" rel="nofollow - Ireland , while  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eoin_Morgan" rel="nofollow - Eoin Morgan  and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyd_Rankin" rel="nofollow - Boyd Rankin  made the opposite move, beginning with Ireland before switching to England.


Posted By: Kentexile
Date Posted: 01 June 2023 at 8:56am
My mistake on Ireland. I watched I think it was Wales minor counties play at the Bont cricket ground a few times in the 1980s but as much for an all dayer when the pubs used to have closing times as to enjoy the cricket. Off to watch Glamorgan at the oval later this month - tickets £34 makes ours look very good value.


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 01 June 2023 at 10:21am
Well whatever the rights of wrongs , I shall be keeping an eye on the ashes and hopefully Australia can clean sweep the tests , after all Old southwales have to support the New Southwales , at least we get a mention on the Australia identification chart , unlike currently over here 


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 01 June 2023 at 10:23am
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Well whatever the rights of wrongs , I shall be keeping an eye on the ashes and hopefully Australia can clean sweep the tests , after all Old southwales have to support the New Southwales , at least we get a mention on the Australia identification chart , unlike currently over here 

Whatever floats your boat Mike.LOL Not unusual really to find us on different sides of an argument. Wink


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 01 June 2023 at 12:03pm
Devils advocate is my middle name , ( it's not really btw ) LOL


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 01 June 2023 at 12:45pm
Anyhow, great morning for England reducing Ireland to 65/4 with broad taking 3 for 21 from 7 overs.


Posted By: surfing-mtber
Date Posted: 05 June 2023 at 11:15am
Leach out, massive blow!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/65805317" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/65805317


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Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 13 June 2023 at 10:21am
Not long now before the Ashes starts. Exciting stuff !
As I indicated  in another thread, it's good in a way, I do'nt have Sky/BTW sports,  or whatever  its on, otherwise I would be glued ..all day...even in this weather.
As a Glamorgan fan and member ,obviously  love to see Marnus L & Michael N, doing well,but NOT ending up on the winning side...difficult one!
Aussies,  superb against India, who in turn were not that great.
The Ashes will be very intresting,  but the key is how England's top order cope with Cummins, Starc and Boland.
Ducket has done well, but now will face the biggest test of his career.Likewise , Crawley ,who , many will will say, is lucky to be there.
What England cannot afford ,is the middle order exposed too soon. 
The other thing is the Aussies have a top spinner in Lyons,  while England haven't 


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 13 June 2023 at 10:40am
Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Not long now before the Ashes starts. Exciting stuff !
As I indicated  in another thread, it's good in a way, I do'nt have Sky/BTW sports,  or whatever  its on, otherwise I would be glued ..all day...even in this weather.
As a Glamorgan fan and member ,obviously  love to see Marnus L & Michael N, doing well,but NOT ending up on the winning side...difficult one!
Aussies,  superb against India, who in turn were not that great.
The Ashes will be very intresting,  but the key is how England's top order cope with Cummins, Starc and Boland.
Ducket has done well, but now will face the biggest test of his career.Likewise , Crawley ,who , many will will say, is lucky to be there.
What England cannot afford ,is the middle order exposed too soon. 
The other thing is the Aussies have a top spinner in Lyons,  while England haven't 

Good summation pimp. Neither side have top opening pairs in fairness. Kawaga has never really liked the moving ball in the UK & Broad has usually got Warner's number. You have missed out Hazelwood from your quickies so they have an interesting selection dilemma. I have a feeling that if Hazelwood is deemed ready he will replace Starc who can be a little wayward. The huge battle for me is at 4/5 Root & Brook against Smith & Head. 

England's all out attacking mindset will get its biggest test for sure against a top class bowling attack. It should be a belter of a series. 


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 13 June 2023 at 11:10am
Final score ....Australia 4 ... Engerland 1Wink


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 13 June 2023 at 11:31am
Yeah looking forward to this one. Last time the Aussies toured we drew 2-2 & it's hard to argue that we're not in a better place as a team.

First test is crucial & I hope Leach's injury doesn't prove to be the deciding factor.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 13 June 2023 at 11:46am
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Yeah looking forward to this one. Last time the Aussies toured we drew 2-2 & it's hard to argue that we're not in a better place as a team.

First test is crucial & I hope Leach's injury doesn't prove to be the deciding factor.

If Leach's probable replacement - Moen Ali - is mentally in the right place he could well do the job of closing up one end. There is no doubt that the Aussies will look to get after the English spinner as with Broad, Anderson & the suspect bowling fitness of Stokes we are struggling to bowl long days under pressure. 

I really think Brook could be the star of this series - every test innings I have seen him play so far he has excelled. Despite their top class bowling line up they do have a habit of imploding when put under pressure as they did against Stokes & Leach in the previous series in the UK. 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 13 June 2023 at 11:48am
Lyon is the difference between the two sides ino. 2 2  draw


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 13 June 2023 at 1:39pm
My advice. Don’t buy a ticket for a 4th day.


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 13 June 2023 at 2:07pm
Damn


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 13 June 2023 at 2:40pm
We need more Geoffrey Boycotts bred in Yorkshire to slow down the game. 😉


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 13 June 2023 at 3:16pm
Whose we , you are officially a North Korean now , where did you think that money came from Wink


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 13 June 2023 at 5:17pm
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Whose we , you are officially a North Korean now , where did you think that money came from Wink
😂


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 13 June 2023 at 5:22pm
Any of the tests in Cardiff 


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 14 June 2023 at 3:29pm

Men's Ashes Test venues 2027

  • Lord's (London)
  • The Oval (London)
  • Trent Bridge (Nottingham)
  • The Ageas Bowl (Southampton)
  • Edgbaston (Birmingham)

Men's Ashes Test venues 2031

  • Lord's (London)
  • The Oval (London)
  • Trent Bridge (Nottingham)
  • Old Trafford (Manchester)
  • Headingley (Leeds)

Women's Ashes Test venues

  • 2027 - Headingley (Leeds)
  • 2031 - Ageas Bowl (Southampton)


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 15 June 2023 at 9:57am
Tough weekend to get motivated for work in the garden - golden rule - get it done early. Test starts around 1100 hours with coverage of the US Open starting at 1500 hours. Decisions, decisions.......


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 16 June 2023 at 11:40pm
What an intriguing  first day's play. Tone set, with four from first ball !
It's the best I  have seen Crawley batting, and Bairstow gave great support  to the absolutely  amazing Joe Root. Now the burden of captaincy  has been lifted, he has excelled again..what a player !
Credit to the Aussies,  who kept battling away,despite not bowling at their best. Lyon, is a class bowler, and despite  having more stick than usual, had his rewards.
Several questions  remai n however.
1) We don't enough  about tue pitch  until Australia  bat( or continue to ), and was therefore was it wise for Stokes to declare with Root going well
2) If England do'nt get early wickets,  you have Anderson, and Robinson, coming back from injury concerns,  and Stokes not bowled for ages 
3):Bazball is great, and it certainly  unsettled  the Aussies,,,BUT,  a few English batsmen got themselves  out by rash shots. If this hadn't  happened,  they could have batted Australia,  out if the game. 
Its a conundrum. 

Anyway will be interested to learn the opinion of GPR...who was a real proper cricketer, and playing to a really high standard. 
What a contrast to the average club player like  meLOL !
I love cricket however, and have been a Glam member  for some years
My passion for Scarlets is obviously paramount, but cricket, not to far behind


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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 17 June 2023 at 1:13am
First day decalration was a nonsense baz ball meh. Play properly


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 17 June 2023 at 7:07am
Well summed up Pimp & thanks for the build up - I haven't blushed for many years.!!!

Great day's play and clearly England's attacking style had the Aussies worried from the 1st ball. Playing two sweepers on the offside & leg side boundaries was a big mistake for me giving England easy runs from basically defensive shots. 

I agree with RR above - Root was going so well & Robinson seemed pretty comfortable. Forecast is set fair so no real logic in declaring for me. Bat through to stumps, get to 450ish & see where we are. If the morning starts a little hazy/overcast then maybe get them in. 

Root & Bairstow got England back on track after a wobble. I really like the way this boy Brook looks to play - for me he is our most attacking batsmen & he was very unlucky with his dismissal. As Pimp rightly says we will get a better idea today when the Aussies have had their chance on a pretty good batting track. Could be a very good toss to win with Lyon getting some turn - Root may be contributing with the ball later in the game and today Moen Ali needs to step up & match the way Lyon worked yesterday.


Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 17 June 2023 at 9:47am
Silly declaration, English arrogance maybe and a bit disrespectful to the Aussies. Wouldn't be surprised if Australia feed off that decision and win the match.

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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 17 June 2023 at 10:23am
I don't see what the English attack can get out of that pitch. It's a 500+ one.

The Aussie bowlers were helped by Pope, Bairstow, Ali, Duckett and Stokes all out to a mix of poor shots and/or howlers. Meant England didn't quite get the 5.5 an over/450+ score they were looking for.

Going to be a long day in the field.



Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 17 June 2023 at 1:41pm
Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Silly declaration, English arrogance maybe and a bit disrespectful to the Aussies. Wouldn't be surprised if Australia feed off that decision and win the match.
ironic when the captain’s parents are Antipodean mind 😉


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 17 June 2023 at 2:55pm
Is there anyone in the engerland side from engerland 


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 18 June 2023 at 12:55am
The answers to yesterdays questions, have been answered...and it doesn't make good reading !

With the Aussies only 80 odd runs behind, the declaration looks increasingly mad.
"Bazball", as good as it is has turned Stokes head ! Root was going well, and Robinson comfortable.
Fifty runs was definitely possible, and those could be crucial now.

England's attack is underpowered, with Jimmy and Robinson, clearly not 100% after injury. Stokes can only bowl short spells ATM. That leaves Moen, who performed manfully, despite not bowling a test ball for two years. He operated without and deep protection, and while I do appreciate its good to attack, this has to be balanced by the captain.
We were giving the Aussies "Free runs", time and again.
Chances also went begging, a catch, a stumping and a 'no ball', when Khawaja was dismissed.
In my view , Bairstow, is not a test standard keeper, and if he plays, should be as a batsman.
Foulks, despite a brilliant winter, is out in the cold. he bats well, (may not be a Bairstow), but his keeping is another level.

Just a final word about Usman Khawaja. what a great innings, and what resolve he showed
I saw him play for Glamorgan, in 2018, originally signed to cover Shaun marsh, for 20/20, but also played championship cricket as well. He was fantastic. raley gives hisn wicket away and is a very heavy accumulator of runs.
As far as Glammy are concerned, and much as I admire Marnus L, Khawaja  would be a better fit, as  Glam desperately need a real specialist opening bat.

Morning session crucial tomorrow. If Aussies get any decent lead, curtains for England


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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 18 June 2023 at 1:36am
England left 50 plus first innings runs on a featherbed on day 1  . Idiotic declaration bez ball indeed


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 18 June 2023 at 7:02am
A very sloppy day by England. They will not get another test innings where they can remove Australia's 3 finest batsmen for a collective 66 runs. I have said it before and I will say it again - if you are playing a spinner in your team you need to select your best wicket keeper. Foakes would have taken that stumping of Green and the first edge by Cary in his sleep. Bairstow is not a test wicket keeper. 

England have now given Australia 50 runs which they could have scored instead of a ludicrous declaration & also the opportunity to get at their lower order with the new ball last night because of three missed chances. Don't even start me on about the no balls. Stokes managed 6/7 in 4 overs FFS. I am afraid England are guilty of believing their own marketing - they have made mistakes in selection & should have played Wood with his extra pace & bounce instead of Anderson who has been very ineffective. They should also have made a decision between Bairstow & Brook for No 5 with Foakes at 7. 

Can they rescue this - for sure. Broad, Anderson & Robinson need to find something from this pitch this morning & hope that the pitch increases taking spin into days 4/5. Of course that will not matter if their close catchers keep on cocking it up. The big warning of course is that Lyon, a canny bowler, is supported by a good keeper & excellent close catchers. 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 18 June 2023 at 8:36am
To go against the conventional thinking I'm not bothered by the declaration....if England had knocked over a couple in that 25 mins ( as they did the following morning) it would be labelled 'inspired'.

The wicket state is dictating the game and any batsman who can keep rash shots and/or massive brain farts out of his game can bat all day.

Errors by the fielding side are highlighted when there are so few chances, and both sides are guilty of drops /missed chances aplenty. Both are picking batsmen wicketkeepers (not the other way around).

Australia will probably post a fairly modest first innings lead of up to 100, and then England will try and fire off 400 to leave Australia with a gettable target on the last day.

In essence that's 1 day cricket spread across a 5 day format as a result of a placid and docile wicket.





Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 18 June 2023 at 8:51am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

To go against the conventional thinking I'm not bothered by the declaration....if England had knocked over a couple in that 25 mins ( as they did the following morning) it would be labelled 'inspired'.

The wicket state is dictating the game and any batsman who can keep rash shots and/or massive brain farts out of his game can bat all day.

Errors by the fielding side are highlighted when there are so few chances, and both sides are guilty of drops /missed chances aplenty. Both are picking batsmen wicketkeepers (not the other way around).

Australia will probably post a fairly modest first innings lead of up to 100, and then England will try and fire off 400 to leave Australia with a gettable target on the last day.

In essence that's 1 day cricket spread across a 5 day format as a result of a placid and docile wicket.






England through a combination of a declaration and poor wicket keeping have to date given Australia 80-100 runs advantage. Those runs will start to look like a lot when the ball starts to spin & jump off the cracks in the pitch later on today and until the end of the game. 




Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 18 June 2023 at 10:20am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

A very sloppy day by England. They will not get another test innings where they can remove Australia's 3 finest batsmen for a collective 66 runs. I have said it before and I will say it again - if you are playing a spinner in your team you need to select your best wicket keeper. Foakes would have taken that stumping of Green and the first edge by Cary in his sleep. Bairstow is not a test wicket keeper. 

England have now given Australia 50 runs which they could have scored instead of a ludicrous declaration & also the opportunity to get at their lower order with the new ball last night because of three missed chances. Don't even start me on about the no balls. Stokes managed 6/7 in 4 overs FFS. I am afraid England are guilty of believing their own marketing - they have made mistakes in selection & should have played Wood with his extra pace & bounce instead of Anderson who has been very ineffective. They should also have made a decision between Bairstow & Brook for No 5 with Foakes at 7. 

Can they rescue this - for sure. Broad, Anderson & Robinson need to find something from this pitch this morning & hope that the pitch increases taking spin into days 4/5. Of course that will not matter if their close catchers keep on cocking it up. The big warning of course is that Lyon, a canny bowler, is supported by a good keeper & excellent close catchers. 
Moving on from the points made in my last post yesterday,  and excellent  assessment,  from a man who knows his cricket. 
Everything  GPR has said is spot on...and to,top that up RR, us also correct in saying that England(Stokes), wrapped up in his own hype.
There are so many ways to skin a cat, and Stokes needs to,learn that fast,playing a sidecas good as Aussies .
I do'nt like Michael Vaughan, an arrogant  , self opinionated  prat, BUT, apart from being an excellent  batsman,  he was a first class
 'thinking ' skipper , who was able to be flexible with tactics  and approach .
Let's hope today brings better things.


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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 18 June 2023 at 10:42am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

To go against the conventional thinking I'm not bothered by the declaration....if England had knocked over a couple in that 25 mins ( as they did the following morning) it would be labelled 'inspired'.

The wicket state is dictating the game and any batsman who can keep rash shots and/or massive brain farts out of his game can bat all day.

Errors by the fielding side are highlighted when there are so few chances, and both sides are guilty of drops /missed chances aplenty. Both are picking batsmen wicketkeepers (not the other way around).

Australia will probably post a fairly modest first innings lead of up to 100, and then England will try and fire off 400 to leave Australia with a gettable target on the last day.

In essence that's 1 day cricket spread across a 5 day format as a result of a placid and docile wicket.







England through a combination of a declaration and poor wicket keeping have to date given Australia 80-100 runs advantage. Those runs will start to look like a lot when the ball starts to spin & jump off the cracks in the pitch later on today and until the end of the game. 




You could say the same for Australia though. Carey dropped a regulation catch, and missed one edge altogether.

Both keepers are batsmen first and foremost.

Whether liked or not. England’s approach is purely on setting up a result game, in this occasion on a track that’s been custom built ( bizarrely) for a draw.


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 18 June 2023 at 11:09am
A lot of words from sympathisers of the enemy here , LOL


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 18 June 2023 at 11:20am
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

A lot of words from sympathisers of the enemy here , LOL
Familiar territory for a not so well kept secret agent Big smile

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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 18 June 2023 at 11:24am
I've been called many things including an ostrich recently , but I've battled through with it ....Wink


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 18 June 2023 at 11:48am
Interesting comments this morning from the Nz born Engerland Captain Big Ginger Ben ..He publicly stated that ..He's not afraid of the Aussies ....
So there it is this great Aussie side may as well pack up and fly back home ....

Opinions LOL


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 18 June 2023 at 1:17pm
386 All Out Australia 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 18 June 2023 at 3:57pm
Different game with the clouds and rain. Swinging and seaming now.

A result is now inevitable ( weather allowing).


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 18 June 2023 at 7:24pm
Conditions favouring our Australian brothers Wink


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 18 June 2023 at 8:28pm
About even I’d say.

Starc would enjoy himself I suspect.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 19 June 2023 at 6:22am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

About even I’d say.

Starc would enjoy himself I suspect.

Crawley's old deficiencies resurface once we get back to normal English conditions. He is very tentative around that crucial area of off stump. Stark contrast ( see what I did there Wil) on show between fielding abilities with Bairstow putting down another - that makes 3 for Carey alone - & the fantastic catch by Green to remove Duckett. 

Those 80-100 runs I mentioned yesterday are starting to look like game changers. England, with cloud cover today, will do very well to win from here especially with Moen Ali crocked. Rain may well save them from defeat. Lets hope for no more weather interruptions & see what these two teams are made of. 


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 19 June 2023 at 6:10pm
As per many on here, I had strong reservations about the day 1 declaration.

There’s a fine line between Bazball and Bazballsup


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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 19 June 2023 at 7:15pm
174 runs is still a lot for a second innings/ 4th batter. England by 80 runs I reckon 😁


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 19 June 2023 at 7:45pm
Ball is doing something when the clouds come over, and goes back to straight up and down when the suns out.

Nicely poised for the last day. Robinson and Broad hold the key for England. Khawaja, Head and Carey for Aus.


Carey made up for an indifferent first innings behind the stumps with a top notch stint today.

Your right on Crawley GPR, still a walking wicket when the ball nibbles about a bit. Duckett out to 2 poor shots too.




Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 19 June 2023 at 7:54pm
Anyone see the claim for a catch by Labuschagne at short leg, off possibly Robinson? He slid the ball along the grass a good few feet and then celebrated, as it seemed to me.

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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 19 June 2023 at 9:02pm
Heavy rain expected tomorrow , play won't start until after lunch ..my mystic meg moment .....It's going to be really close but I still think Australia to win ...hopefully 


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 20 June 2023 at 2:33am
Its been a really brilliant test,! forget the hype, from that first ball, Cummins to Crawley...electric !
Disappointed for Marnus L (as a Glammy fan), but never been so happy to see him walking back to the pavilion. Cummins I felt bowled brilliantly.

From an England perspective, they are like bees hitting their heads against a glass pane.
Bazball ,or not, you cannot give your wicket away, as Root and Barstow did in the 2nd innings.
They are playing brilliant attacking cricket, but are not playing with their heads and balancing the aggression, with control. Same with the crazy declaration, which could prove a clincher.

Whatever happens next(final day) question marks hang over England's opening pair, particularly if Ducket stubbornly continues to play at everything.
Anderson, could well prove me wrong on the final day, but at the moment he looks a spent force.
Bairstow cannot continue as keeper, just out of his depth.
Looks as if Moen will miss the next test with that finger injury
There could be changes.

The final day could go either way, and getting Kawaja early will be key



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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 20 June 2023 at 6:02am
I wouldn't write off Anderson just yet, although I think picking him ( as a guy who swings the ball) over a raw pace option like Wood didn't help.

Noticeable that the Aussies left out Starc (their main swing bowler).

England need to get Khawaja and either or Head or Carey in the firs hour of the morning session to stand a chance.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 20 June 2023 at 7:11am
Fantastic finish in store if the weather allows. I agree Pimp Cummings put in a captain's shift & that cunning fella Lyon is just so reliable. Root is a brilliant cricketer but his natural game is to score quickly with what I call proper shots. Why oh why did he play that shot first ball yesterday morning and charge aimlessly down the wicket and get stumped.

Another hour from him yesterday & England would have been in a very winnable situation. At least Stokes played sensibly sensing that time was on his side and that it was a critical partnership. Bazball or whatever they call it is apparently to play positively not stupidly. Broad is our match winner for me with Ali injured. It would have been great having Wood to call on to bowl a few hostile spells but not to be. Anderson does not look like a test opening bowler on this wicket and his fielding is starting to look challenged. Thats it I have set him up beautifully to run through the Aussies this morning.Wink


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 20 June 2023 at 7:43pm
Well played aussies , ali was a dreadful pick considering he hasn’t played red ball cricket in 18 months, lyons the big  difference between the sides


Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 20 June 2023 at 7:53pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Well played aussies , ali was a dreadful pick considering he hasn’t played red ball cricket in 18 months, lyons the big  difference between the sides

Shortage of quality spinners available for selection hence the gamble that failed.   The declaration also failed,  an extra 40 England runs would have changed the result.
Could be a whitewash again this summer.


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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 20 June 2023 at 8:01pm
Hopefully yes LOL


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 20 June 2023 at 8:55pm
Never underestimate the Aussies. What a superb result - to bat 4 and win the game. Sets up the series for a great battle. 


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 20 June 2023 at 9:19pm
Never a truer word spoken by a North Korean sleeper cell Wink


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 21 June 2023 at 12:46am
One hell of a test match.
Even though I am disappointed with the result, i was thrilled by the spectacle.
Credit to both sides, with Australia just about deserving it.
They were the more consistent side throughout.
I thought Cummins was immense, in everything he did.

England had their chances, and the crazy declaration, which otherwise would have added maybe another 40 runs or more was a huge factor in the end.
Dropped catches and crazy "Bazball" decisions when batting cost.

Anderson has to make way for Wood now,  and if Moen isn't fit they will have to look for alternatives.

End of the day if the cricket continues like this, we are in for a  brilliant series


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 21 June 2023 at 7:02am
First & foremost a brilliant advertisement for red ball cricket. Stokes' mantra that England are not a results driven team rather they are an entertainment driven team doesn't sit well with me I have to say. Sport at this level is about winning unless I have been doing it wrong all these years. 

England did very well when you consider that they only really had two pace bowlers contributing & a crocked spinner backed up by a part time one. This may well be one series too far for Anderson and we desperately need to find a reliable spinner. Stokes is injured so cannot bowl enough. If I was selecting I would pick Liam Dawson as the spinner, replace Bairstow with Foakes and Anderson with Wood. I fully expect the same 11 to take the field at Lords. 

Australia's all round bowling & fielding was far superior to Englands, Carey far more reliable behind the stumps and guys like Green & Labushange are brilliant fielders. Cummins & Lyon are a different class.


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 21 June 2023 at 9:45am
Look, I mean people will have a go at the early declaration but in truth had the 2 openers stayed in for longer in the second innings we would have had more runs on the board.

Great test & roll on next Thursday!! 


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 21 June 2023 at 10:14am
The declaration was controllable though Fscarlet. The commentators throughout this test spoke about the similarity of this pitch with that encountered by England in Pakistan last Autumn/Winter. They also stressed the importance they placed on getting runs quickly so they had more time to take 20 wickets. 

Therein lies the rub - teams generally have to take 20 wickets to win test matches - Stokes' decision allowed Australia to win by taking 18 - in my eyes that is poor cricket. 


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 21 June 2023 at 11:14am
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

Never a truer word spoken by a North Korean sleeper cell Wink
 

You should speak to your best butty, the Great Leader about getting NK into cricket. It would be great fun akin to watching 11 Minions running around screaming and chanting fanatically at Ben Stokes . 😉 Trouble is the national sport is Wrestling 😂


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 21 June 2023 at 12:34pm
I have spoken to the great leader and he replied , at least NK would have a team of North Koreans playing for them unlike Engerland who rely on the entrails of other nations .....
Don't shoot the messenger Wink


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 21 June 2023 at 1:00pm
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

I have spoken to the great leader and he replied , at least NK would have a team of North Koreans playing for them unlike Engerland who rely on the entrails of other nations .....
Don't shoot the messenger Wink
England exploited the SA market for years and Oz . Geoff Boycott would turn in his grave if he were dead  😉


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 21 June 2023 at 1:41pm
LOL


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 21 June 2023 at 6:55pm
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

I have spoken to the great leader and he replied , at least NK would have a team of North Koreans playing for them unlike Engerland who rely on the entrails of other nations .....
Don't shoot the messenger Wink


Was he talking to you from his Swiss/German border 'retreat'?
He has a soft place in his heart for where he spent those important formative years (1991-2010).


Incidentally the only player in the England 12 born outside the UK was Ben Stokes (emigrated to the UK aged 11 with his family).
Interestingly NZ cricket declined the option to select him back in 2011 ( as an U19 player).


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 21 June 2023 at 9:09pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

First & foremost a brilliant advertisement for red ball cricket. Stokes' mantra that England are not a results driven team rather they are an entertainment driven team doesn't sit well with me I have to say. Sport at this level is about winning unless I have been doing it wrong all these years. 

England did very well when you consider that they only really had two pace bowlers contributing & a crocked spinner backed up by a part time one. This may well be one series too far for Anderson and we desperately need to find a reliable spinner. Stokes is injured so cannot bowl enough. If I was selecting I would pick Liam Dawson as the spinner, replace Bairstow with Foakes and Anderson with Wood. I fully expect the same 11 to take the field at Lords. 

That's a SPOT ON assessment  GPR.
Mc Cullum worked wonders with England,  but the problem with 'invincibility ', utterly goes to your head, and you begin to believe your own publicity ( almost like the tale of the Kings clothes).
They've will carry on, as before,  making the same mistakes .
This is exemplified by Bairstow's incredible  interview,  after day one.
He was asked whether he and Joe Root  talk while they  are batting ?
To that he said NO..and when pressed about their plan, he said, were having a laugh!
This may of course be baloney, and 8ts great they are attacking the aussies, but many of us would prefer a more banced approach

Australia's all round bowling & fielding was far superior to Englands, Carey far more reliable behind the stumps and guys like Green & Labushange are brilliant fielders. Cummins & Lyon are a different class.


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 22 June 2023 at 6:37am
McCullum clearly is doing something right with Stokes as the squad seem very united. I have to question his logic though - he was an International wicket keeper & to say that he thought Bairstow kept well is mind boggling. Also can someone explain to me what going harder next test actually means. 

I have, since Bazball was born, said that the ultimate test of this type of cricket is an ashes series. Stokes talks as if their main aim is filling the stadia - I have got news for Stokes - stadia have been full for ashes series for as long as I can remember. Don't get me wrong - this type of cricket is entertaining but lets look at a scenario for next week. The forecast is looking more like an English summer - some rain showers around & cooler. Australia win the toss under a heavy sky, put England in to bat and they go "harder" against a moving ball, bowled out for 190 before tea. 

Not a ridiculous outcome given the tendency among most of England's batsmen to go very hard at the ball outside off stump. Australia's best three batsmen didn't really feature in the last test apart from a 50 for Head. I will be very interested to see how Bazball deals with that. I really do hope they prove me wrong but 2-0 down in a 5 game series is a very tough spot to be in. 


Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 22 June 2023 at 7:05am
Continuing GPR's thread above, and my commnents, about the metaphorical  comparison,  of a bee, hitting its head against a pane of glass, I can see the 'my way way or highway' approach continuing  from McCullum, which to a degree  is understandable. 
There us a fine line between,  quite correctly  "taking the aussies " on, 
attacking wise, and being reckless.
It's difficult  one to manage, but if Englandcare to beat the Australians, it's one they will have to master.
Secondly there 's loyalty to your players( from McCullum), and downright foolishness. In the case of Bairstow,  its the latter.
The guy just does not have the technical requirements to fulfill the demanding  job of test wicketkeeper , and even if the the test defeat cannot be laud at his door,  the missed chances , for which  he was responsible,  had a major contribution .
There 's going to get no change of tactics and personel from England, and hence lies the problem.
BAZBALL,  is working, so it needs tweaking, as does the selection. 
For me Foulkes , Wood and Dawson would play, as I cannot see Moen's finger healing sufficiently,in time.
If an overcast forecast some would consider playing  four seamers  
(WOOD & Anderson), but without a front line spinner, that's very risky.
Finally , the techniques of Duckett and Crawley, will really be under the microscope, particularly  against the moving ball of a quality attack



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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 22 June 2023 at 7:17am
Yes loyalty is a great attribute which serves him well. Surely though he cannot accept missing 8 chances in a test match as acceptable. Four of those were down to Bairstow & yet he has already stated that Bairstow plays at Lords, not only plays but keeps wicket. 

Now Bairstow's batting is a match winner & I can understand wanting to get him into the team. He is not going to replace Brook whose form is off the scale so why not consider replacing Crawley with Bairstow as opener. For sure both are pretty dodgy around off stump against a moving ball but if Bairstow can get through a few overs he generally improves whereas Crawley doesn't.


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 22 June 2023 at 11:49pm
Aussies got a big edge in the top 5 batsmen and a slight edge in the bowlers, plus were dropping catches
England probably realise itll be mostly down to root and stokes magic, theyve got to try a little bazball and ride on the barmy army wave of emotion...


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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 23 June 2023 at 4:18am
Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Continuing GPR's thread above, and my commnents, about the metaphorical  comparison,  of a bee, hitting its head against a pane of glass, I can see the 'my way way or highway' approach continuing  from McCullum, which to a degree  is understandable. 
There us a fine line between,  quite correctly  "taking the aussies " on, 
attacking wise, and being reckless.
It's difficult  one to manage, but if Englandcare to beat the Australians, it's one they will have to master.
Secondly there 's loyalty to your players( from McCullum), and downright foolishness. In the case of Bairstow,  its the latter.
The guy just does not have the technical requirements to fulfill the demanding  job of test wicketkeeper , and even if the the test defeat cannot be laud at his door,  the missed chances , for which  he was responsible,  had a major contribution .
There 's going to get no change of tactics and personel from England, and hence lies the problem.
BAZBALL,  is working, so it needs tweaking, as does the selection. 
For me Foulkes , Wood and Dawson would play, as I cannot see Moen's finger healing sufficiently,in time.
If an overcast forecast some would consider playing  four seamers  
(WOOD & Anderson), but without a front line spinner, that's very risky.
Finally , the techniques of Duckett and Crawley, will really be under the microscope, particularly  against the moving ball of a quality attack




By the very nature of England's style/game, every fixture England play from now on will carry a win/lose result.

Within that, as with this match, there will be moments, decisions and selections that will come under heavy scrutiny - if they lose.

Personally I think management accept that losing the odd game is accepted and acknowledged as a possible outcome when you set up every match for a result.

When you are aiming to go at 5-6 an over, you are obliged to pick guy's that can attain that, particular in the middle order, hence why Bairstow was brought in preference to Foakes (obviously batsmen wicketkeeper ahead of a wicketkeeper batsman).

The specter of going 2-0 down is very real however, and England will have to :-
-Stop giving away cheap wickets in the top order
-Seriously think through the Anderson selection ( with 2 other seamers)
-Consider Bairstow in front of one of the openers
-Stick or twist with Ali







Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 23 June 2023 at 7:04am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Continuing GPR's thread above, and my commnents, about the metaphorical  comparison,  of a bee, hitting its head against a pane of glass, I can see the 'my way way or highway' approach continuing  from McCullum, which to a degree  is understandable. 
There us a fine line between,  quite correctly  "taking the aussies " on, 
attacking wise, and being reckless.
It's difficult  one to manage, but if Englandcare to beat the Australians, it's one they will have to master.
Secondly there 's loyalty to your players( from McCullum), and downright foolishness. In the case of Bairstow,  its the latter.
The guy just does not have the technical requirements to fulfill the demanding  job of test wicketkeeper , and even if the the test defeat cannot be laud at his door,  the missed chances , for which  he was responsible,  had a major contribution .
There 's going to get no change of tactics and personel from England, and hence lies the problem.
BAZBALL,  is working, so it needs tweaking, as does the selection. 
For me Foulkes , Wood and Dawson would play, as I cannot see Moen's finger healing sufficiently,in time.
If an overcast forecast some would consider playing  four seamers  
(WOOD & Anderson), but without a front line spinner, that's very risky.
Finally , the techniques of Duckett and Crawley, will really be under the microscope, particularly  against the moving ball of a quality attack




By the very nature of England's style/game, every fixture England play from now on will carry a win/lose result.

Within that, as with this match, there will be moments, decisions and selections that will come under heavy scrutiny - if they lose.

Personally I think management accept that losing the odd game is accepted and acknowledged as a possible outcome when you set up every match for a result.

When you are aiming to go at 5-6 an over, you are obliged to pick guy's that can attain that, particular in the middle order, hence why Bairstow was brought in preference to Foakes (obviously batsmen wicketkeeper ahead of a wicketkeeper batsman).

The specter of going 2-0 down is very real however, and England will have to :-
-Stop giving away cheap wickets in the top order
-Seriously think through the Anderson selection ( with 2 other seamers)
-Consider Bairstow in front of one of the openers
-Stick or twist with Ali






All 4 considerations are spot on. However giving away cheap wickets throughout the team seems to be an acceptable outcome of Bazball. Ricky Ponting interviewed David Warner on the morning of the final day and his comment was that the Aussies were boosted by the fact that England's batsmen gave away their wickets with poor shot selection. 

Missing 8 chances probably cost England that first test so surely Bairstow's place as wicketkeeper, having been responsible for 4, should legitimately be up for discussion. With Australia's best three batsmen, Labushange, Smith & Head, all with averages of over 50, only mustering around 100 runs collectively in that test it was one which England should have won comfortably.

The batsman/wicketkeeper, wicketkeeper/batsman analogy is used when comparing Bairstow with Foakes but their batting stats hardly suggest a massive difference - Foakes averages 32.20 at a strike rate of 49.41 from 20 games, Bairstow 37.20 at a rate of 57.90 from 91. Foakes in Pakistan was described by Stokes as the best wicketkeeper in the World - even allowing for some gamesmanship he is most definitely in the top three. For MacCullum to come out and say he thought Bairstow kept pretty well and would be retained for Lords the day after the test smacks of a stubborness to face facts.

Why not say that chances cost us the game and we will be reviewing the game thoroughly over the coming days. I appreciate that having your coach back you to the hilt is great for dressing room harmony but some things are so obvious they have to be addressed. 

I have a horrible feeling that England are sleep walking into losing this series & what is more seem happy with the plucky losers who entertain tag. An interview with Boycott & Trueman would have been very enlightening!!!!!


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 23 June 2023 at 11:29am
I feel that Engerland are entering a period of transition..A lot of top players are coming to the end of their careers , after a successful period they seem to be at a crossroads ...can they manage a series win without losing too many of their stalwarts during the test period....
On the other hand we have an Australian side far from being the finished article , certain players seem to struggle ....
The bottom line is that this test series will be very close but I still see the Australians winning it because of sheer bloody mindedness...This attitude seems to apply to all sports that they compete in . Many times in many sports the experts and data state that the Aussies should lose but their self belief seems to get them through to a win nearly every time 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 23 June 2023 at 1:04pm
Australia’s team are older than England’s with only 1 player under 29.

It might be me but I don’t recall so many players over 30 in 2 test sides ( I make it 15 of the 22 from the first test- England 6 and Australia 9).

Safe to say this is the last Ashes series for quite a few.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 24 June 2023 at 8:53am
Interesting call bringing the young leg spinner Ahmed into the squad. I noticed that the full squad of 17 doesn't even include Foakes which is totally mystifying. 


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 24 June 2023 at 9:05am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Interesting call bringing the young leg spinner Ahmed into the squad. I noticed that the full squad of 17 doesn't even include Foakes which is totally mystifying. 
Colours nailed to mast and Bairstow will be less rusty was the consensus, iirc, of Atherton, Steve James and the excellent Elizabeth Ammon in the Times a day or so ago.

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 24 June 2023 at 10:05am
Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Interesting call bringing the young leg spinner Ahmed into the squad. I noticed that the full squad of 17 doesn't even include Foakes which is totally mystifying. 
Colours nailed to mast and Bairstow will be less rusty was the consensus, iirc, of Atherton, Steve James and the excellent Elizabeth Ammon in the Times a day or so ago.

Of course less rusty will help however in my experience wicketkeeping is all about technique honed over 100's hours of continual practice. One of the keys is to stay low as long as possible, another is the movement of the gloves, feet and hips in unison. Very rarely do you see top quality keepers off their feet. All the above is accentuated when keeping up to the wicket. Bairstow, in my humble opinion, is a limited overs keeper at best. 


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 24 June 2023 at 10:09am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Interesting call bringing the young leg spinner Ahmed into the squad. I noticed that the full squad of 17 doesn't even include Foakes which is totally mystifying. 
Colours nailed to mast and Bairstow will be less rusty was the consensus, iirc, of Atherton, Steve James and the excellent Elizabeth Ammon in the Times a day or so ago.

Of course less rusty will help however in my experience wicketkeeping is all about technique honed over 100's hours of continual practice. One of the keys is to stay low as long as possible, another is the movement of the gloves, feet and hips in unison. Very rarely do you see top quality keepers off their feet. All the above is accentuated when keeping up to the wicket. Bairstow, in my humble opinion, is a limited overs keeper at best. 
I’d prefer Foakes with the gloves, too. His batting is pretty good although doesn’t compete with Bairstow on the imposing nature of his run-getting.

Perhaps cricket should develop and enable a player swap between the eleven batting and the eleven fielding.


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 24 June 2023 at 10:16am
Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Eastern outpost Eastern outpost wrote:

Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Interesting call bringing the young leg spinner Ahmed into the squad. I noticed that the full squad of 17 doesn't even include Foakes which is totally mystifying. 
Colours nailed to mast and Bairstow will be less rusty was the consensus, iirc, of Atherton, Steve James and the excellent Elizabeth Ammon in the Times a day or so ago.

Of course less rusty will help however in my experience wicketkeeping is all about technique honed over 100's hours of continual practice. One of the keys is to stay low as long as possible, another is the movement of the gloves, feet and hips in unison. Very rarely do you see top quality keepers off their feet. All the above is accentuated when keeping up to the wicket. Bairstow, in my humble opinion, is a limited overs keeper at best. 
I’d prefer Foakes with the gloves, too. His batting is pretty good although doesn’t compete with Bairstow on the imposing nature of his run-getting.

Perhaps cricket should develop and enable a player swap between the eleven batting and the eleven fielding.

I give you that Bairstow is capable of winning a game with his explosive batting but as we saw in the 1st test we can lose a test with missing 8 chances. I am looking forward to next Wednesday with great interest. One thing I cannot deny is that MacCallum & Stokes have re-ignited the British public's passion for the test game & long may that continue. All of my most enjoyable sporting days out have come at opening days of test matches at the Oval, Trent Bridge & Lords. The banter with the Australian supporters is priceless. 


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 24 June 2023 at 10:29am
In the late seventies/early eighties, I went out with Alan Border’s cousin for a while. Lovely girl. She was over on “walkabout”, the 2 year visa that was easy to get and quite a rite of passage for many Kiwis and Aussies. She worked for the same insurance company as me and its head office wasn’t that far from Earls Court (Aussie Central).

She said that they didn’t really keep in touch with the Border as they were the black sheep side of the family.


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Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 24 June 2023 at 11:08pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by scarletpimp scarletpimp wrote:

Continuing GPR's thread above, and my commnents, about the metaphorical  comparison,  of a bee, hitting its head against a pane of glass, I can see the 'my way way or highway' approach continuing  from McCullum, which to a degree  is understandable. 
There us a fine line between,  quite correctly  "taking the aussies " on, 
attacking wise, and being reckless.
It's difficult  one to manage, but if Englandcare to beat the Australians, it's one they will have to master.
Secondly there 's loyalty to your players( from McCullum), and downright foolishness. In the case of Bairstow,  its the latter.
The guy just does not have the technical requirements to fulfill the demanding  job of test wicketkeeper , and even if the the test defeat cannot be laud at his door,  the missed chances , for which  he was responsible,  had a major contribution .
There 's going to get no change of tactics and personel from England, and hence lies the problem.
BAZBALL,  is working, so it needs tweaking, as does the selection. 
For me Foulkes , Wood and Dawson would play, as I cannot see Moen's finger healing sufficiently,in time.
If an overcast forecast some would consider playing  four seamers  
(WOOD & Anderson), but without a front line spinner, that's very risky.
Finally , the techniques of Duckett and Crawley, will really be under the microscope, particularly  against the moving ball of a quality attack




By the very nature of England's style/game, every fixture England play from now on will carry a win/lose result.

Within that, as with this match, there will be moments, decisions and selections that will come under heavy scrutiny - if they lose.

Personally I think management accept that losing the odd game is accepted and acknowledged as a possible outcome when you set up every match for a result.

When you are aiming to go at 5-6 an over, you are obliged to pick guy's that can attain that, particular in the middle order, hence why Bairstow was brought in preference to Foakes (obviously batsmen wicketkeeper ahead of a wicketkeeper batsman).

The specter of going 2-0 down is very real however, and England will have to :-
-Stop giving away cheap wickets in the top order
-Seriously think through the Anderson selection ( with 2 other seamers)
-Consider Bairstow in front of one of the openers
-Stick or twist with Ali






All 4 considerations are spot on. However giving away cheap wickets throughout the team seems to be an acceptable outcome of Bazball. Ricky Ponting interviewed David Warner on the morning of the final day and his comment was that the Aussies were boosted by the fact that England's batsmen gave away their wickets with poor shot selection. 

Missing 8 chances probably cost England that first test so surely Bairstow's place as wicketkeeper, having been responsible for 4, should legitimately be up for discussion. With Australia's best three batsmen, Labushange, Smith & Head, all with averages of over 50, only mustering around 100 runs collectively in that test it was one which England should have won comfortably.

The batsman/wicketkeeper, wicketkeeper/batsman analogy is used when comparing Bairstow with Foakes but their batting stats hardly suggest a massive difference - Foakes averages 32.20 at a strike rate of 49.41 from 20 games, Bairstow 37.20 at a rate of 57.90 from 91. Foakes in Pakistan was described by Stokes as the best wicketkeeper in the World - even allowing for some gamesmanship he is most definitely in the top three. For MacCullum to come out and say he thought Bairstow kept pretty well and would be retained for Lords the day after the test smacks of a stubborness to face facts.

Why not say that chances cost us the game and we will be reviewing the game thoroughly over the coming days. I appreciate that having your coach back you to the hilt is great for dressing room harmony but some things are so obvious they have to be addressed. 

I have a horrible feeling that England are sleep walking into losing this series & what is more seem happy with the plucky losers who entertain tag. An interview with Boycott & Trueman would have been very enlightening!!!!!

The last sentence is the key...entertainment  is fine, but WINNING ,is all that matters.
I can see, as I have indicated  in previous posts,  an element of intransigence  in England's approach, which will probably vsee them lose the series 3-1.
BAZBALL,  is great, but like anything else, it can evolve,build on what you have discovered , but probably  won't happen.
Of course questions will then be raised ,after the event,  which is too late,when such an important  series is history 


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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 27 June 2023 at 7:22am
It appears that Moen Ali is fit so the only selection issues surround the make up of the bowling attack. England are being hamstrung by the bowling fitness of Stokes so may go with four seamers at 8/9/10 & 11 with Root as the spin option. 


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 27 June 2023 at 8:29am
I see the “and Welsh” bit of the ECB has made a predictable return in the articles about the report that casts a good few unwelcome criticisms at the cricket establishment.

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Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 27 June 2023 at 12:04pm
BBC News - Equity in Cricket report: Discrimination 'widespread' in English and Welsh cricket
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/66022949" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/66022949


Not shocking in any way ...I see Ali has been dropped , for a whiter player perhaps or just because he's injured ...Its difficult to actually know the true reason after reading the article 


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 27 June 2023 at 1:40pm
As I thought 4 seamers with Tongue to make his ashes debut replacing Ali. 


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 27 June 2023 at 1:50pm

"Evidently, he played an unbelievable innings but he ended up getting 40. If he turns that 40 into 80-plus then we're chasing 300 and that's going to be a pretty big effort.

"That's the benefit for us with the way that they're playing. They're playing aggressive cricket, he's doing it in a different method, which is great, but it brings opportunities for us. Hopefully at some part of the series, that will pay off."

Quote from Marnus Labushange about Root's batting in particular but also about England's approach in general. He is pretty confident that despite Australia being well below par in the 1st test & winning that they can & will improve. I hate it when I agree with the Aussies but, of course, he is spot on in saying that Root could have taken the game away from them if he knuckled down for another hour or so. 



Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 27 June 2023 at 2:40pm
Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

BBC News - Equity in Cricket report: Discrimination 'widespread' in English and Welsh cricket
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/66022949" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/66022949


Not shocking in any way ...I see Ali has been dropped , for a whiter player perhaps or just because he's injured ...Its difficult to actually know the true reason after reading the article 
more likely cos he’s a bang average spinner who was going for an over and went off with a hurty finger when the going got tough


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 27 June 2023 at 2:42pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

BBC News - Equity in Cricket report: Discrimination 'widespread' in English and Welsh cricket
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/66022949" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/66022949


Not shocking in any way ...I see Ali has been dropped , for a whiter player perhaps or just because he's injured ...Its difficult to actually know the true reason after reading the article 
more likely cos he’s a bang average spinner who was going for an over and went off with a hurty finger when the going got tough

A cut on his spinning finger would make life difficult for anyone. He was grimacing literally every ball. 


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 27 June 2023 at 2:45pm
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

Originally posted by Oracle Oracle wrote:

BBC News - Equity in Cricket report: Discrimination 'widespread' in English and Welsh cricket
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/66022949" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/66022949


Not shocking in any way ...I see Ali has been dropped , for a whiter player perhaps or just because he's injured ...Its difficult to actually know the true reason after reading the article 
more likely cos he’s a bang average spinner who was going for an over and went off with a hurty finger when the going got tough

A cut on his spinning finger would make life difficult for anyone. He was grimacing literally every ball. 
he should be playing countty cricket before he was considered for a test Spot not bowling 4 overs in 20/20.  He is a v good bat but a v average spinner even when fully fit, when he has a hurty finger he was basicallly a pie chucker, root bowled more overs than him in 2nd immings. Better off giving the young leggy a go


Posted By: Oracle
Date Posted: 27 June 2023 at 4:59pm
Yes he was rubbish , yes he had a baddy and yes I would have kept in the team Wink



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