Wales team to face England at Twickers
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Topic: Wales team to face England at Twickers
Posted By: Fscarlet
Subject: Wales team to face England at Twickers
Date Posted: 09 August 2023 at 10:01am
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15. Liam Williams (Kubota Spears – 84 caps) Replacements |
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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 09 August 2023 at 11:13am
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Congratulations to the two Scarlets who will (presumably) win their first caps - and to the others selected. I hope our 10 and 12 have been doing tackling practice, as I can see England throwing big centres (and others) at that channel. TBH, I'm not especially optimistic of a result with this team at Twickenham, but you never know. One big factor last week was fitness, and surely England can't do anything about that in a week. Stop them getting a big lead by half time, and it'll be game on - again. ------------- “You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift) |
Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 09 August 2023 at 12:34pm
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Good selection and I really happy for our Scarlets in list...Honestly I dont like too much Tompkins.. Mathias can play his role in first row rotations..
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Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 09 August 2023 at 2:41pm
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Who's captain? ------------- Keep the faith |
Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 09 August 2023 at 3:02pm
------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind. |
greypower1 wrote:Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 09 August 2023 at 9:36pm
I agree with Aberfan, it's great to see two young Scarlets, Kempley and Joe win their first caps. Both have got great futures in the Scarlet Jersey. I spoke to Kemsley at the awards dinner , end of last season. Was very impressed. His grounded , mature attitude, of this proud Pembrokeshire lad, which is lovely to see. Overall however, this team does not look as strong as last week's. England will be yard to beat at Twickers, and obviously will be hurting after last week's defeat. ------------- I stood yer on tanner bank |
Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 09 August 2023 at 11:31pm
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Posted By: Milli
Date Posted: 12 August 2023 at 6:26pm
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Worse half of rugby i have ever seen. A near full Eng side and they are offering nothing. Wales have had a few chances but been turned over on the 5m line. Biggar on and i can see us winning this |
Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 12 August 2023 at 7:53pm
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Agonising defeat Lots of plusses but still painful 😖 ------------- ROYMOND MUNTER MBE (FOR SERVICES TO THE COMBOVER) |
Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 12 August 2023 at 7:54pm
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The worst lineout display I've ever seen from a pro rugby team. But they are very fit and very indisciplined. ------------- Keep the faith |
Posted By: jeremy windell
Date Posted: 12 August 2023 at 8:12pm
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Adam Beard is poo ------------- Go ahead..........Take those banana's |
Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 12 August 2023 at 8:18pm
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Lots of positives in the youngsters and newbies but the old stallwards offered nothing to improve on last week. Lake throwing was atrocious, beard did nothing except help England, reffell was quiet, tompkins is a bag uncertinty with ball in hand. Starting props went well, I like Rhys Davies, roberts did well so did rogers. Plumtree was inconsistent and hope hes ok. Mathias had a bit of a baptism, but we have to remember he had Lewis on the other side(shocking scrummager) Gatland replaced Davies with Tshunzia who is 2 stone lighter plus at one point the pack was down to 7. Not a level playing field to compare with the other 3 LH's. ------------- The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. |
Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 12 August 2023 at 8:26pm
At least in some cultures , faeces has it's uses  ------------- ROYMOND MUNTER MBE (FOR SERVICES TO THE COMBOVER) |
Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 12 August 2023 at 8:40pm
The backs should be angry as they were given little possession to press their claims for a World Cup place.
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Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 12 August 2023 at 10:01pm
| Javan is a better prop than Lewis. |
Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 12 August 2023 at 10:18pm
That lineout display was an absolute disgrace - I've only ever seen one worse, when Eales in his pomp took the Wales lineout to the cleaners for Australia - he allowed us one (I think). If we had a halfway decent lineout in that game, we'd have won it easily even with that team... Beard 'calls the lineouts' apparently - I hope to never again see him in a Wales shirt. At one in the second half, he was so panicked and indecisive that the ref gave a free kick for delay. Lewis once again showed why he is not a test prop; it was a tough ask to put Mathias on in that game for his first cap... he deserves better chances. Joe Roberts made that try for Williams by taking the gap and had a good game. Tom Rogers did OK but had few chances. Plumtree showed inexperience and made quite a few errors, plus some good things. Cawdor had no time to influence events either way. One thing is clear form the two games - the lineout last week worked and this weeks' didn't. Not sure who was calling last week, but Dee's throwing in is presumably more accurate than this week's hookers. The starting props did OK in the scrums; didn't see much of Davies, Reffell, Tshiunza or Lydiate except that the tacking was very good for the most part. In the backs, Sanjay had a good one. A real missed opportunity - from 17-9 and with extra players, we should have won that comfortably. ------------- “You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift) |
Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 12 August 2023 at 10:27pm
| England were rancid. |
Posted By: Rob Hunt
Date Posted: 12 August 2023 at 10:43pm
| I only saw the “Highlights” on S4C, very glad that I didn’t see the whole game. |
Posted By: rctred
Date Posted: 12 August 2023 at 11:15pm
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On the plus side Farrell is gone for a while, always was and is a dirty so and so .... Unless Borthwick seeks Irish advise and does a sextoy...
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Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 13 August 2023 at 12:14am
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Did not see the game LIVE, but my plan to watch it on "catch up", has gone through the window, reading a plethora of comments about the standards. Prior to this game, I really thought our best team, by some distance, was last week, with the exception of maybe Sanjay and Adams, and looks as if I was right . Gatland has got a bit of thinking to do now , compounded by injury worries. Regarding Farrell, I obviously cannot comment on todays incident, but he clearly seems to have a technical tackling issue going on recent history, so today is no surprise. This is not the 70's , when people went out to deliberately hurt someone( I have have seen some appalling acts of thuggery in my time), but nevertheless professional players have to be responsible for their actions, and Farrell has been a time tomb ticking for ages. England are better off without him anyway ------------- I stood yer on tanner bank |
Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 13 August 2023 at 5:32am
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With respect to Farrell, he went in shoulder first to the head (of Basham, I think)... it was so obviously a red, but the ref was so weak and influenced by the crowd that he initially only gave a yellow plys putting Farrell 'on report'. It was upgraded to red by the TMO foul play official. Must have taken all of 5 seconds to make the decision. I didn't say anything about the ref before, as we should have won that game regardless and have only ourselves to blame - but he did favour England with a number of iffy decisions. On one occasion, he said that Wales had a pen advantage but almost immediately blew up for a Wales infringement and gave a penalty - to England! The S4C commentators were understandably bemused. But we should have won comfortably anyway. ------------- “You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift) |
Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 13 August 2023 at 7:36am
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Frustrated at losing a game that England put on a plate for the taking. We may have lost Lake and another Scarlets man in Plumtree to boot. On the plus side Gareth Thomas, Joe Roberts and Sanjay stood out. I’m not sure Josh Adam’s is going to make the cut, and Kemsley, Kieron Williams, Tom Rogers likewise. We need to extract Beard’s significant skeleton from the rest of him and build a quality new version of a second row. |
Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 13 August 2023 at 9:33am
| It was a relief to watch the France v Scotland game after this! |
Posted By: Kentexile
Date Posted: 13 August 2023 at 9:48am
| Went to the game yesterday afterwards much discussion in the Sun pub in Richmond on what needed to be done to speed the game up and make it more appealing . Then after watching France v Scotland the consensus was things were fine as they are and that the main problem is attitude and approach and not the rules. |
Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 13 August 2023 at 10:18am
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Farrell hearing on Tuesday The guy is a liability on the field having a go at Dan Biggar as well
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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 13 August 2023 at 10:19am
I think you may have a point with Adams - he is not the player he was a few seasons ago. With 14 backs assuming 3 x 9's & 3 x 10'a that just leaves places for 8. Covering more than one position may be the decider - Anscombe covers 15 but will not play any part in warm ups which isn't ideal. Of the 8no LRZ, North & Liam are on the plane with Grady & Llewelyn in with a good shout. Grady covers wing which will help. Joe did himself no harm yesterday for sure and Johnny Williams will be busting a gut to get his chance next weekend. Cuthbert needs to play against South Africa & if he goes well either he or Rio could edge Adams out.
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Posted By: John
Date Posted: 13 August 2023 at 10:37am
I think Biggar started that one. It will be a memorable month up to the world cup when both Farrell and Sexton are suspended but I expect Farrell to be available for the first WC game. |
Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 13 August 2023 at 10:45am
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Having watched the 2 games against England I would say that we are in a better position than England going into the World Cup. Both teams are poor in comparison to many others, we are both very slow in moving the ball into the wider channels and do not appear capable of playing what’s in front of us. Wales have scored 4 tries against them, whilst they only managed one try in the 2 games and that came from a very familiar source (for England), a catch and drive where the backs join in. Joe Roberts offered something different in midfield, he has pace to beat his man on the outside, something that GN and MG didn’t have (in the first match), that keeps defenders honest and creates space for the back 3 to run into. It’s baffling how Chintza appears to struggle to turn his unbelievable club form into international competition and how the h..l Adam Beard is anywhere near the squad (let alone made captain) is beyond me. With regards to Farrell, he deserves what he gets, he’s had form all his career for poor tackle technique (and I’m being generous with that description). He’s got away with it too many times (yellow cards not being upgraded to red) and it was nice to see our friend Brian MacNiece taking a firmer decision on Saturday - although that wasn’t the worst tackle I’ve seen him make. I don’t believe that he will get the ban his tackle deserves - he will get a nominal ban (just like Sexton) due to them being captains of their country and being integral to their respective teams. He has form for dangerous tackles but as he’s got away with most of them (in the past) he will have a reduced sentence just for saying sorry, and going on a tackling course (again).
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Posted By: Seagultaf
Date Posted: 13 August 2023 at 11:02am
I dont think Wales can claim to be fit after fading as badly as they did in the last 20 mins against an English team with was down to 12 for parts but still looked fitter and more dynamic than Wales. It makes you wonder what the coaches have been doing with the players for the past months, because the fitness is not great and the lineout organisation shambolic.
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Posted By: bydder
Date Posted: 13 August 2023 at 11:15am
I didn't watch it but you do know that they're trailing the "bunker" system? ------------- N11 |
Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 13 August 2023 at 12:54pm
Be that objective, correct, official rather than one that is always one-down in their punishments of serious stuff and you’ll do well. ------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind. |
Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 13 August 2023 at 1:42pm
Yse, i did know that. Perhaps you don't understand how it is supposed to work? Let me explain: the first stage is as follows:
IMHO, only a blind bat could possibly have thought that what Farrel did was not 'clear foul play'. Only if that first consideration does not apply do we move on to the second and third stages as follows:
Let me use football parlance here, for once: "The ref bottled it!" ------------- “You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift) |
Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 13 August 2023 at 1:47pm
It really wasn't a fitness issue. Wales made mistake after mistake, messing up lineouts and giving away needless penalties. In the scrums, Lewis has always been a liability. So, in the last 15 minutes or so, Wales had: no scrum; no lineout; and no cool heads to ensure we didn't give away daft penalties. I think the defensive effort in the first half - and in general throughout - they never looked like rolling over us - proves the fitness of the group. ------------- “You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift) |
Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 13 August 2023 at 1:57pm
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Great to see Aber back and contributing after his traditional inter-season break. Laser accuracy as ever.  ------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind. |
Posted By: bydder
Date Posted: 13 August 2023 at 2:42pm
I don't it need explaining thanks. Just making sure you know of it. ------------- N11 |
Posted By: bydder
Date Posted: 13 August 2023 at 2:46pm
Like I said I didn't watch the game only the clip of the tackle. Did the ref make a quick decision on the yellow card? ------------- N11 |
Posted By: Seagultaf
Date Posted: 13 August 2023 at 3:13pm
In the last 20 mins Wales were losing the collisions, falling off tackles, getting turned over and generally getting pushed around by an England team who were at times down to 12 men. The measure of fitness is not how well players perform at the start if the game, its stamina and how strong they are at the end of the game. And for me, the English players looked far stronger at the end of the game than the Welsh did.
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Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 13 August 2023 at 3:47pm
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Does Warren Garland play his strongest team v South Africa or does he give fringe players one last chance to make an impression and book their places on the plane to France What are people's thoughts
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Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 13 August 2023 at 4:11pm
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This is a poorly coached team on the rare occasion we had quality ball from the lineout the ball came back to 9 and in 1 pass later there were 3 guys within a yard of each other running into English midfield that performance was total pants |
Posted By: ndavies198
Date Posted: 13 August 2023 at 6:52pm
I’d like to see Johnny Williams and Joe Roberts start together. If we could have Gareth Davies, Costellow, George North, Johnny Williams, Joe Roberts, LRZ, Williams as our staring backs at the World Cup I think we’d see amuch better display of skills. Someone is going to need to be tested at Lock to partner Rowlands while Daf Jenkins is injured - it can’t be Adam Beard so hopefully Teddy Williams or Ben Carter will stand out. Hoping Daf Jenkins is able to make it to the World Cup so we can see Jenkins and Rowlands at lock, with Jac Morgan, Aaron Wainwright, and Faletau in the back row. What our best front row is though I have no idea and hopefully that gets resolved during the SA game. Perhaps seeing Kemsley, Dee, Henry start could work, with Domachowski and Assiratti on the bench - replacement hooker would have to be Sam Parry I assume if Elias and Lake are still injured.
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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 13 August 2023 at 7:44pm
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South Africa will come fully loaded and off the Rugby Championship, so Wales must reciprocate. Injuries will dictate to a point. . As far as I can see there’s a question mark over a few…Lake looked like an MCL issue, Plumtree looked like a fracture of sorts, Faletau and Anscombe are already out. Daf Jenkins and Elias didn’t look great coming off last week. Jonny W needs to play to prove he’s worthy of a slot in the final 33…but with a hamstring it’s a risk. Owens and Macleod are already sidelined. It’s not a good equation. |
Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 13 August 2023 at 8:52pm
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We had the front 6 of the Osprey pack in on Saturday the lineouts should have been meat and drink. Francis and Beard are finished, in Beards case he has never started, and no matter how good Lake is in the loose he is a liability in his throwing in so cannot start for Wales let alone Captain the side. ------------- She asks why i still can't answer. I guess its in the blood. |
Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 13 August 2023 at 11:36pm
If Adam Beard ever reads this forum( which I doubt), but if he does, I fear for your safety WHY Seriously , though, you are correct, Beard and Francis are very limited players, even though Francis scrummaging remains reasonable. Lake's throwing in is worse then Ryan Elias's ever was, and Parry was no better. Its incredible how professional players can perform such an essential task so poorly. Its not just the throwing , the whole line out is a "co ordination thing", with jumpers, lifters , and the thrower being on the same page . Communication, timing etc, all have to be spot on. None of those things were happening at Twickers apparently, but in Cardiff, we did much better. It won't get easier against Boks, so we need some improvements and consistency ------------- I stood yer on tanner bank |
Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 14 August 2023 at 5:55am
I quite confident I could easily evade Beard seen milk turn quicker. There is no excuse for such a poor lineout the players who were the integral part of the process train or play together everyday. The simple fact that Beard has experience and he is big will be enough for him to go to WC and the shortage of hookers means the same for Parry and Lake. ------------- She asks why i still can't answer. I guess its in the blood. |
Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 14 August 2023 at 7:29am
| Its now or never for JBR - as Wil says its a risk with a dodgy hamstring but Gatland is already it seems intent on taking four players who are currently not fit to play - Faletau, Anscombe, Daf & Ryan - two of which will not have featured in a warm up game. I doubt there is any room for more. |
Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 14 August 2023 at 8:14am
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Costelow is very much in contention… he’s skipped above Owen Williams and Anscombe for sure. Don’t think Owen put his name forward last weekend. |
Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 14 August 2023 at 9:11am
I'd very much hope so Wil. I'd start with Costelow, and end with Biggar. Costelow doesn't appear to be able to put kicks over from outside the opposition 10 metre line, Jenks needs to work on that with him. In the cardiff match, Sam did put in some longer touch finders.
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Posted By: N14
Date Posted: 14 August 2023 at 11:49am
| I agree, I think Costelow is very likely to make the final squad. Not sure Plumtree proved himself worthy of inclusion, regardless of the injury. I think he'll make a very good regional player for us though, and is young enough to still make his mark at the international stage in the future. Halfpenny could be touch and go - I think he did enough last weekend to warrant a place in the squad, but will there be room for him? Hooker and second row are the obvious worrying points. Beard shouldn't be selected but probably will be. |
Posted By: N14
Date Posted: 14 August 2023 at 11:50am
| Sanjay in fairness put in a good performance Saturday and is a dead cert to be included |
Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 14 August 2023 at 12:06pm
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Any idea of the family reasons Kieran Hardy was withdrawn from Saturday’s squad? Whatever they are, I hope it’s nothing too serious and quickly resolved. ------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind. |
Posted By: Gate12
Date Posted: 14 August 2023 at 12:59pm
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The way Wales play (not far off I'm tougher and fitter than you so let's be 'aving you) will inevitably lead to more injuries than teams that play a bit more expansive or smarter. It'll end up like all the WC's under Gatland, brave Wales battle hard but mounting injuries finish them off, there's nothing unlucky about the injuries, they're inevitable. The 2 double headers over the past fortnight (Wales/England and Scotland/France) looked like different sports. Biggar is asking for trouble too, his tackle technique is potentially way more consistently dangerous than Farrell's, he pretty much jumps into a tackle, the only reason he doesn't get penalised for it is because he's so passive. Hopefully JBW will get over his injury niggles and people like Costelow, Sanjay, Zammit, Morgan and Wainwright can open up games a bit and it won't be the usual WC routine from Gatland.
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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 14 August 2023 at 1:11pm
Pretty fair summation there Gate12. England & Wales are light years behind the top 4 sides & even Scotland look a handful. The crazy things is both England & wales have a very decent chance of making the semi finals which will have both Borthwick & Gatland being feted as some sort of saviours.
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Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 14 August 2023 at 1:42pm
It looked as if you did, since you queried my observation that the ref was weak in not giving a red card straight away. As my post makes clear - the ref had every right to do that, and didn't have to use the bunker at all. It was as clear a red card as you could hope to see. The ref 'bottled it'. End of. ------------- “You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift) |
Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 14 August 2023 at 1:43pm
No. He watched replays - and STILL didn't have the guts to call it as a red. ------------- “You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift) |
Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 14 August 2023 at 1:46pm
Well, that's your opinion. it is certainly fair to say that Wales should not have allowed that try from the lineout maul, but as I said the players on the field by then were either weak (Lewis, for example) or inexperienced (Mathias) and between them they managed to compound a disastrous lineout performance which lasted all afternoon. That had more to do with it than 'fitness', IMO. But we can agree to disagree. ------------- “You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift) |
Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 14 August 2023 at 1:54pm
I can't remember if I said so in this forum, but it was astonishing how players who SHOULD be familiar with each other as a result of playing together on a weekly basis went to pieces on saturday - without ever being under particularly heavy pressure from the opposition either. It looked as if they just froze - Beard in particular. So far, it looks as if Dee is the only hooker who can throw in accurately. I hope Ken can be called up at some point if someone gets injured (as is likely) - I think that we can use Ken as a joker for any player, even a wing? Or is there another hooker out there who is decent and can throw in? We need someone! ------------- “You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift) |
Posted By: N14
Date Posted: 14 August 2023 at 2:06pm
| Johnny Williams and Alex Cuthbert are back in training and in contention for Saturday. I would assume both will feature to have their chance to impress |
Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 14 August 2023 at 2:25pm
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I'm not sure who's on the plane/train yet but I'd oick something like this d=for the SA game: 1 Domachowski 2 Dee 3 Francis 4 Rowlands 5 Carter 6 Basham 7 Morgan (capt.) 8 Wainwright 9 Williams 10 Biggar 11 L Williams 12 Grady 13 North 14 Rees-Zammit 15 Halfpenny 16 Parry 17 G Thomas 18 H Thomas 19 T Williams 20 Lydiate 21 G Davies 22 Costelow 23 Roberts all based on form so far plus injuries ruling out some obvious picks. I think it would be easy to swap the starting and sub props without it changing much - maybe the subs have more to offer. Not much between others such as T Williams, Tshiunza and Lydiate for 5/6 position. We haven't seen Williams yet so maybe he deserves a shot. As for the backs - I like Grady and would like him in the 23, but not sure he can play 12... Llewellyn did OK but didn't shine either. Halfpenny still the best defensive 15 and Liam has to be in the 15; not sure if you pick both or put Liam to 15 and Adams on the wing, though. Again, you could easily swap the starting and finishing half-backs. It'll be interesting to see what the coaches make of the warm-ups, so far. ------------- “You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift) |
Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 14 August 2023 at 2:26pm
If so, then they come into my tentative 23, I suppose... ------------- “You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift) |
Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 14 August 2023 at 2:55pm
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I would go with Rogers, Cuthbert, Grady, JBR, Adams, Costelow, Hardy Smith, Dee, Henry Thomas, Rowlands, Carter, Tschiunza, Morgan (C), Wainwright Domachowski, Parry, Assiratti, Teddy Williams, Cawdor, Biggar, Cai Evans.
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Posted By: Raised By Peregos
Date Posted: 14 August 2023 at 3:00pm
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My SA Team assuming no more injuries and current injuries rule people out (but Basham passing HIA). The thinking is basically to answer some final questions about some players. I don't know if Gats will do this or if he'll pick his strongest team. Who knows. 1 Smith 2 Dee 3 Thomas 4 Rowlands 5 Carter 6 Basham 7 Morgan (capt.) 8 Wainwright 9 Davies 10 Costelow (needs the experience) 11 Dyer 12 Johnny Williams 13 Grady 14 Cuthbert 15 Halfpenny 16 Dee 17 Domachowski 18 Assiratti 19 Tshiunza 20 Reffell 21 Hardy / Wiliams 22 Owen Williams 23 Kieran Williams IF everyone in the squad is fit this is what I think will be Gats first choice team (Mine in brackets): 1 G Thomas (Smith) 2 Lake 3 Francis (H Thomas) 4 Rowlands 5 Beard (Jenkins) 6 Lydiate (Wainwright) 7 Morgan (capt.) 8 Faletau 9 Williams 10 Biggar 11 Liam Williams 12 Llewellyn (Johnny Williams) 13 North 14 LRZ 15 Halfpenny 16 Elias 17 Smith (G Thomas) 18 H Thomas (Francis) 19 Plumtree 20 Reffell 21 G Davies 22 Costelow 23 Mason Grady |
Posted By: Raised By Peregos
Date Posted: 14 August 2023 at 3:01pm
| Maybe Anscombe on the bench for Costelow |
Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 14 August 2023 at 3:51pm
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Fully fit i'd go with 15 Williams 14 zammit 13 North 12 Williams 11 adams 10 costello 9 cawdor 1 smith 2 elias 3 thomas 4 rowlands 5 jenkins 6 wainwright 7 morgan 8 faletau 16 dee 17 thomas 18 francis 19 carter 20 tzchunzia 21 williams 22 biggar 23 Roberts I think lake is a liability, so is Lewis at TH. less said of beard the better. As for back replacement it could be anyone from grady, llewelyn, o williams, cuthbert ------------- The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. |
Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 14 August 2023 at 6:12pm
| Anscombe, Faletau, Basham, Lake, and Plumtree are unavailable this weekend ( fitness test on one or two others). |
Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 14 August 2023 at 9:25pm
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Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 15 August 2023 at 1:45pm
| Owen Farrell free to play |
Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 15 August 2023 at 1:50pm
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Hearing summary... - Farrell acknowledged he'd committed foul play but denied it was worthy of a red card. - Committee concluded it was wrong to upgrade Farrell's initial yellow to red and therefore he won't face any ban. Absolute carnage incoming...
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Posted By: Kentexile
Date Posted: 15 August 2023 at 2:02pm
| And the rugby authorities are of course serious about minimising risk through head injuries. Something large and pink making oinking noises as it flies around the World Rugby HQ building in Dublin. |
Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 15 August 2023 at 2:08pm
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If I was the TMO I'd resign in disgust. ------------- Keep the faith |
Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 15 August 2023 at 2:24pm
| Nice to see player safety being at the forefront of these meetings. |
Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 15 August 2023 at 2:34pm
This is a total joke. Farrell went in shoulder first, with no attempt to wrap. justification was that 'dynamics' was changed - ie height of Basham, I suppose - by George's involvement in the tackle. Astonishing how big players in so-called big teams get away with it - time and time again. ------------- “You cannot reason a man out of what he never reasoned himself into.” (Jonathan Swift) |
Posted By: ladram
Date Posted: 15 August 2023 at 2:42pm
Even Saint Sexton got something.
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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 15 August 2023 at 3:09pm
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Posted By: Gate12
Date Posted: 15 August 2023 at 3:19pm
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I'm not sure how a change in direction (there wasn't one) has any bearing on Farrells height going into the tackle or the lack of an wrap. You've got amateur refs being told to clamp down harshly on tackles above the sternum but this is ok, can't the rugby authorities see how bonkers this decision is on so many levels?
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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 15 August 2023 at 3:33pm
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When I saw it was a panel from the Suuthern Hemisphere, I was worried. While I liked the idea of some Aussies sitting in judgment on a choice of country grounds, I was very concerned at the laxity with which the law gets implemented in their competitions. The poetic justice will be that Farrell commits a similar offence in the Argentina match and then gets banned for 6 weeks or so. ------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind. |
Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 15 August 2023 at 4:24pm
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The thing is he’s never done it before and his tackle technique is textbook. It’s disgusting that rugby players from the opposition move instead of staying still for Owen to tackle them. Basham should have 6 week ban minimum and be told that he must stand still in future. The World Cup is now further tainted with corruption, a Tongan player got 10 weeks today for tip tackle I haven’t seen I must admit but no English player would have got that. How Steward escaped red is beyond me and the English always wonder why they are so unpopular. Money must have changed hands there is no other rational explanation. ------------- She asks why i still can't answer. I guess its in the blood. |
Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 15 August 2023 at 6:20pm
| Outside the immediate Farrell stuff I am just thinking today how hard it must be for modern professional players to play the game now. So strong and fit and so fast. The rules keep on changing as well. Add to that the state of the game financially and the risk of injuries and you wonder how many young players will want to get into rugby in say, even 5 years time. |
Posted By: Kentexile
Date Posted: 15 August 2023 at 6:21pm
| The English RU tend to engage a top barrister in disciplinary cases. Often Richard Smith KC who did the hearing today -the go to guy in rugby disciplinary matters. Retained by England at world cups to handle disciplinary hearings and appeals and on the last couple of lions tours. I think he was the one who got England off with a slap on the wrist when they had 16 players on the field against Samoa in the 2003 World Cup. |
Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 15 August 2023 at 6:29pm
EO this was apparently Farrell’s only sending off offence in International Test rugby and now it’s back to zero again.
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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 15 August 2023 at 6:40pm
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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 15 August 2023 at 7:10pm
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Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 15 August 2023 at 9:28pm
Posted By: John
Date Posted: 15 August 2023 at 9:56pm
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It's an unbelievable decision: Farrell made no attempt to tackle Basham, just to shoulder charge him. Basham was making players miss by changes of direction and speed but he had no chance to avoid the shoulder charge. Yet again the attempts to make the game safer are thrown away in the short term interests of one team and one player.
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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 15 August 2023 at 10:21pm
| It might be that the Australian officials want Farrell playing rather than the way more talented George Ford, maybe Eddie Jones gave them some tips lol |
Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 15 August 2023 at 10:32pm
Glad you find it funny you moron he will seriously hurt someone soon he can’t tackle and is a liability. ------------- She asks why i still can't answer. I guess its in the blood. |
Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 15 August 2023 at 11:56pm
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I said on Saturday evening that I thought he’d get a light sentence, but didn’t expect him to get exonerated completely, it’s incredible. The absurdity of this is that he’s now been cleared of the offence completely so if he does the same on the World Cup or next season’s 6 nations, he’ll get a light sentence as he will not have any previous convictions for the offence.
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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 16 August 2023 at 6:33am
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It's made a mockery of player welfare protocols, consistency of interpretation, and brought in to sharp focus the ugly question that authorities were masquerading the truth not because of the incident itself, but because of the potential outcome to the player and team. When you think like that then the wheels just came off. |
Posted By: Gate12
Date Posted: 16 August 2023 at 8:35am
That's the most realistic rationale I've seen for the outcome. Listened to a load of podcasts pre-hearing and the only debate was the length of the ban, and no-one thought it should be any less than 4 weeks, not a single person considered him getting away with it. Also looking at it again Farrell was in a good position to make a tackle regardless of which way Basham moved, a natural reaction would have been to tackle with the left shoulder but he choose to stay upright and shift across to use his stronger side which was a high tucked shoulder. Absolutely bonkers decision.
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Posted By: gaffer
Date Posted: 16 August 2023 at 10:22am
Agree. Then Wales pick Basham to play a week later? Even if the HIA was 'inconclusive' this seems a risky decision. He should be nowhere near the team until they are sure he's fit to play. ------------- What's going on? |
Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 16 August 2023 at 10:27am
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Im happy that Farrell can play...I want to see the failure of England with him on the field.. |
Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 16 August 2023 at 10:28am
No need for that type of name calling. Tiger has posted many times giving us an insight of the English (Leicester) perspective on rugby topics. He is always polite, not like some of our own. His comment was light hearted and not intended to downplay the seriousness of the situation. I didn't see it as particularly funny but neither was it meant as a serious suggestion. I hope we will hear from Tiger in the future but I fear you may have put him off coming on here again and affected his view of the Scarlet supporters to boot. ------------- Keep the faith |
Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 16 August 2023 at 10:32am
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Posted By: John
Date Posted: 16 August 2023 at 10:47am
And of course there is the court case to come where one of the allegations to be made focuses on lack of care about player welfare....
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Posted By: Rob o'r Bont
Date Posted: 16 August 2023 at 10:47am
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So the Bunker trial must be dead in the water now. What's the point. We might as go back to usual ref's onfield decision followed by the usual citing commission.
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Posted By: SA23
Date Posted: 16 August 2023 at 10:59am
| Don't think it's dead in the water as it meant that the game could still continue as they reviewed it without the ref being involved so a success from that perspective? |
Posted By: N14
Date Posted: 16 August 2023 at 11:31am
Got to throw my support behind this and I'm pretty sure the poster has previous for name calling. I always think it's great when supporters from other teams come onto the forum not to troll but just to offer their perspective which will of course often differ from ours. Thank you for your input Tigerburnie
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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 16 August 2023 at 11:38am
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I think Why is so incensed by the Farrell verdict (and lots of other previous) that he completely missed Tigerburniebach’s perfectly plausible explanation. The verdict does defy logic and TBB’s interpretation held far more of the missing element than the panel’s collective IQ. ------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind. |
Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 16 August 2023 at 1:00pm
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I may have mis-read the Times article this morning, on Farrell. At my one and only reading, it implied that World Rugby were likely to appeal the verdict. Fingers crossed. ------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind. |
Posted By: N14
Date Posted: 16 August 2023 at 1:30pm
| I too am incensed and flabbergasted by the Farrell verdict |
Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 16 August 2023 at 1:48pm
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I appreciate that this is a statement made at great personal risk but I thought I would introduce a counter explanation on the Farrell card. It appears that our Shaun believes that the late movement sideways by Basham, caused by the intervention from his left by George, made Basham effectively run into Farrell who was not expecting to make a tackle and actually when confronted by Basham folded into an absorbing tackle as he could not get out of way or indeed avoid Basham. On the subject of Basham's HIA he is free to play according to the World governing bodies' rules as he has passed all tests required this week. Indeed there is a lot of doubt as to whether he actually failed the initial HIA test as the room in which he was tested had a TV playing and he couldn't hear what was being asked. In my defence I have not seen the incident in slow-mo so cannot judge the above - just offering it out there.
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