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Topic: Perspective
Posted By: scarletabroad
Subject: Perspective
Date Posted: 17 September 2023 at 5:57pm
So Australia v Fiji thus far with our poor performance and we won 🤷‍♂️ just saying   Our game with Australia is looking to be very interesting at the moment



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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 17 September 2023 at 6:47pm
So fiji finally lay their aussie bogey to rest............69 years wow
this is not really a good result for us as it means 3 wins may not get us through the group
suddenly the aussie game is a big 1
It does as you suggest give some perspective on our fiji win, theyre a super talented side


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Posted By: scarletabroad
Date Posted: 17 September 2023 at 6:52pm
Whilst our scrum has been iffy Australia is much worse. Line out Aussies much better. Our back row if we can emulate Fiji game we could win that area. Centres probably a major weak spot. Gonna be interesting


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 17 September 2023 at 6:56pm
we were poor at breakdown against the portuguese and outmuscled by fijian breakdown
lineouts Id get the scrum half to throw in , no joke
lake cant throw darts but hes useful everywhere else

rowlands, faletau cawdor wil be crucial 
a defeat may send us out especially if we lose by more than 7




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ROYMOND MUNTER MBE (FOR SERVICES TO THE COMBOVER)


Posted By: Kentexile
Date Posted: 17 September 2023 at 7:11pm
Most points Fiji and Aus can get is 16- we need 17 to guarantee qualification so if we keep Aus to a win with no BP take a losing one ourselves and get 5 points v Georgia we will be fine. Two wins would be better but …


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 18 September 2023 at 7:05am
Originally posted by Kentexile Kentexile wrote:

Most points Fiji and Aus can get is 16- we need 17 to guarantee qualification so if we keep Aus to a win with no BP take a losing one ourselves and get 5 points v Georgia we will be fine. Two wins would be better but …

Yes thats the way I see it Mark. I can see us pushing Australia and we will have 13 days to get our first team ready for Georgia. Gats could only have dreamt that he would be in the position he is in before the tournament. Fijian fans will be singing hymns and arias next weekend. 


Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 18 September 2023 at 8:18am
Originally posted by Kentexile Kentexile wrote:

Most points Fiji and Aus can get is 16- we need 17 to guarantee qualification so if we keep Aus to a win with no BP take a losing one ourselves and get 5 points v Georgia we will be fine. Two wins would be better but …
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We need 16 points to be sure as our match day win over Fiji is the first decider when teams finish level on points.


Posted By: Rob Hunt
Date Posted: 18 September 2023 at 8:53am
Originally posted by Fscarlet Fscarlet wrote:

Originally posted by Kentexile Kentexile wrote:

Most points Fiji and Aus can get is 16- we need 17 to guarantee qualification so if we keep Aus to a win with no BP take a losing one ourselves and get 5 points v Georgia we will be fine. Two wins would be better but …
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We need 16 points to be sure as our match day win over Fiji is the first decider when teams finish level on points.
There is a possibility that we, together with Australia and Fiji, could finish level on points. How would placing be decided in that case? 


Posted By: Kentexile
Date Posted: 18 September 2023 at 8:55am
Points difference first for a 3 way tie



Posted By: Fscarlet
Date Posted: 18 September 2023 at 9:07am
Originally posted by Kentexile Kentexile wrote:

Points difference first for a 3 way tie


Im not sure thats right....

Originally posted by RWC2023 RWC2023 wrote:


If at the completion of the pool phase two or more Teams are level on Match points, then the following criteria shall be used in the following order until one of the Teams can be determined as the higher ranked:

  1. The winner of the Match in which the two tied Teams have played each other shall be the higher ranked.
  2. The Team which has the best difference between points scored for and points scored against in all its pool Matches shall be the higher ranked.
  3. The Team which has the best difference between tries scored for and tries scored against in all its pool Matches shall be the higher ranked.
  4. The Team which has scored most points in all its pool Matches shall be the higher ranked.
  5. The Team which has scored most tries in all its pool Matches shall be the higher ranked.
  6. Should the tie be unresolved at the conclusion of steps 1 through 5, the rankings as per the updated. Official World Rugby World Rankings on October 14, 2019 will determine the higher ranked Team.

For clarification, in the case of a tie between three or more Teams at the end of the pool phase, once the highest ranked Team has been determined following the above criteria, to determine the next higher ranked Team the process would repeat, starting at criterion 1.




Posted By: Kentexile
Date Posted: 18 September 2023 at 9:16am
If we lose to Australia then assuming the other 2 teams aren’t in the mix then the head to head outcome falls away as all teams will have one win against the other teams if tied on eg 16 points 
In that case it goes to points difference or as world rugby puts it
  1. The Team which has the best difference between points scored for and points scored against in all its pool Matches shall be the higher ranked.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 18 September 2023 at 9:22am
[QUOTE=Kentexile]If we lose to Australia then assuming the other 2 teams aren’t in the mix then the head to head outcome falls away as all teams will have one win against the other teams if tied on eg 16 points 
In that case it goes to points difference or as world rugby puts it
  1. The Team which has the best difference between points scored for and points scored against in all its pool Matches shall be the higher ranked.
[/QUOTE

Looks right to me Mark. 


Posted By: Kentexile
Date Posted: 18 September 2023 at 9:26am
Cheers - nursing a slightly bad head in Nice so confirmation welcomed!


Posted By: Rob Hunt
Date Posted: 18 September 2023 at 9:28am
The last two matches in our group are Wales/Georgia on 7 October and Fiji/Portugal on 8th, so if it comes down to points difference both countries will be at an advantage compared to Australia, particularly Fiji.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 18 September 2023 at 10:57am
It’s very possible that 3 teams will end up on 16pts.

It’s a bit of a charade if that happens.

I have elected to go with Wales beating Australia and Georgia and topping the group.
It’s far easier on the brain.


Posted By: scarletabroad
Date Posted: 18 September 2023 at 11:25am
I do believe that we can win against Australia and actually being in France will be better for us as opposed to the cauldron and pressure effect that the Millennium has. Which will hopefully negate all the brain squashing maths and variables


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 18 September 2023 at 11:48am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

It’s very possible that 3 teams will end up on 16pts.

It’s a bit of a charade if that happens.

I have elected to go with Wales beating Australia and Georgia and topping the group.
It’s far easier on the brain.

 Heart or Head?  ( or perhaps a £ 10 bet with the boy 😉)


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 18 September 2023 at 1:48pm
Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

It’s very possible that 3 teams will end up on 16pts.

It’s a bit of a charade if that happens.

I have elected to go with Wales beating Australia and Georgia and topping the group.
It’s far easier on the brain.

 Heart or Head?  ( or perhaps a £ 10 bet with the boy 😉)


He's cleaned me out already mun...I'll get my own back on him on 'Jonathon' on Thursday though....me and my oldest have the most cunning of cunning plans ....

My 18 year old son is also cleaning me out on the RWC fantasy league too...he's like 300th overall or something...and picking players based on their surnames and kits he likes....like yesterday he picked Grant 'Williams' and made him his captain and tripe point scorers just because they have the same chuffin surname!
240 points or something like that....it's tough being a dad bois.


Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 18 September 2023 at 2:44pm
Reasons to be cheerful
These players have stood out rowands, morgan, faletau, cawdor, North , LRZ and adams
All these are capable of world class moments ,this can make us dangerous
But the front row has been ropey, beard doesnt do enough I prefer jenkins and wainwright needs a big game
Biggar hopefully can go out with some glory hes a good strong character with lots of bottle
Liam needs to sort his head out and cut out the endless stupid errors
Tompkins hot and cold needs to focus on errors or he will be replaced
Lineout is a huge achilles heel we must sort that or theyll ruin our set piece ball


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ROYMOND MUNTER MBE (FOR SERVICES TO THE COMBOVER)


Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 18 September 2023 at 3:07pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by reesytheexile reesytheexile wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

It’s very possible that 3 teams will end up on 16pts.

It’s a bit of a charade if that happens.

I have elected to go with Wales beating Australia and Georgia and topping the group.
It’s far easier on the brain.

 Heart or Head?  ( or perhaps a £ 10 bet with the boy 😉)


He's cleaned me out already mun...I'll get my own back on him on 'Jonathon' on Thursday though....me and my oldest have the most cunning of cunning plans ....

My 18 year old son is also cleaning me out on the RWC fantasy league too...he's like 300th overall or something...and picking players based on their surnames and kits he likes....like yesterday he picked Grant 'Williams' and made him his captain and tripe point scorers just because they have the same chuffin surname!
240 points or something like that....it's tough being a dad bois.
 

Some are born lucky I guess! Ken talking about his taking Samson to London for the first time on Jiffy’s show was very amusing . I can imagine. No ferrets in Knightsbridge ! 😉


Posted By: Grammar School Boy
Date Posted: 18 September 2023 at 4:38pm
Aus were very poor yesterday, possibly the worst performance I have seen Aus give in recent memory.

If we stay disciplined and calm, (asking a lot), we should win against that team, but we have a habit of self destruction late in recent games which had been cured in Gats' first tenure.  I don't see us conceding 4 tries unless we get carded heavily, so discipline will be a key factor. I would pick Jenkins over Beard personally, in view of his greater hustle and mobility, but leave the team otherwise unchanged, hoping that Biggar is fully fit to play.


Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 18 September 2023 at 5:14pm
Australia’s discipline yesterday was shocking, 18 penalties in all and a at the breakdown.  Pressurise them in that area (as Fiji did) and then let Biggar or HP kick the penalties.
However, despite playing so poorly against Fiji they still managed to stay within 7 points and out score Fiji 3 tries to 1, so even with little possession they can still keep the scoreboard ticking.
As long as we start with halfbacks from the first game and centre partnership we should be too strong.


Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 18 September 2023 at 7:17pm
The Fijian missing last minute kick will cost us dear it would have deprived Aus of bonus point. 
Don’t fancy our chances against Aus they will pick themselves up and be firing on all cylinders. We have no props to put on bench the non selection of Wyn could cost us dear.
Hope to god no injuries to Cawdor or Rowlands or a centre or we in deep doo doos.

Having said that we could even beat Aus and lose to Georgia that would be typical Welsh rugby



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