CRYs16 OBJECTS TO ST HELENS MOVE
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Topic: CRYs16 OBJECTS TO ST HELENS MOVE
Posted By: reesytheexile
Subject: CRYs16 OBJECTS TO ST HELENS MOVE
Date Posted: 05 August 2025 at 5:49pm
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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 05 August 2025 at 6:06pm
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reesytheexile wrote:Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 05 August 2025 at 6:08pm
| hopefully not true if so it’s just petty and pointless. i do ‘t thinknis is true tbh |
Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 05 August 2025 at 6:10pm
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Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 05 August 2025 at 11:00pm
| Apparently Crys did write in late to object to the Ospreys move to to St Helens and talking about the moral high ground and cost to the taxpayers of such a move etc … but trouble is forgot to inform us members about this significant decision or it’s negative impact on the club fans. I have not seen a single person support the Crys16 move and I bet the Scarlets knew nothing about it either. I feel embarrassed by the trusts actions and we have heard nothing from Crys to explain or apologise or announce resignations. Nothing. So much for the club societies working together. |
Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 05 August 2025 at 11:12pm
 . ahh well it’s done now bit stupid but realistically no harm done
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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 06 August 2025 at 7:03am
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I’d like to hear Crys’s reasons and, while a surprise, sometimes these things happen that requires a very quick response without the usual ground preparation.
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Posted By: Trostre Parc Boy
Date Posted: 06 August 2025 at 9:43am
| I think CRYS need to issue a statement this morning explaining why and who decided to object to the planning application. Personally I think that it is embarrassing and sad that they have felt the need to do it. I also wonder why we are that insecure with our future that they needed to do it? Has painted the club in a very poor picture. |
Posted By: Trostre Parc Boy
Date Posted: 06 August 2025 at 10:02am
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Posted By: philturk
Date Posted: 06 August 2025 at 12:13pm
| If Crys were aware of the objection, then the leadership need to step down with immediate effect after issuing an apology to the Ospreys, their fans, Scarlets and our supporters |
Posted By: reesytheexile
Date Posted: 06 August 2025 at 12:17pm
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Posted By: Trostre Parc Boy
Date Posted: 06 August 2025 at 12:20pm
| I worry what impression Reddin now has of us, being from outside Welsh Rugby. Especially as he’s the one driving the push to 2 regions apparently! |
Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 06 August 2025 at 1:04pm
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I’ve leapt to plenty of conclusions based on incomplete info or not asking enough questions and been wrong too often. I’d rather wait to hear what they have to say as they’re not a Musk/Trump-like organisation that comes out with all sorts. They’re often a bit too considered for some tastes so for them to do what they’ve done is very likely to have been for reasons that they will let us know. They’ve been very patient in their dealings with s with the WRU, for example, and goodness knows how many opportunities they’ve given to be ferociously criticised yet Crys’s responses have been more diplomatic than perhaps the recipients deserve(d). ------------- In a world where you can be anything – Be Kind. |
Posted By: Raised By Peregos
Date Posted: 06 August 2025 at 1:24pm
| False flag operation by Ospreys supporters to get one up on us. |
Posted By: Trostre Parc Boy
Date Posted: 06 August 2025 at 1:57pm
So are you saying that CRYS didn’t object? Or that the Ospreys supporters are pushing a false negative reaction to the fact that CRYS did object?
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Posted By: Raised By Peregos
Date Posted: 06 August 2025 at 2:34pm
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Neither, it would be an Ospreys supporter pretending to be from a Scarlets Supporters trust (was CRYS16 actually mentioned by name or was it a generic "supporter's trust"?). I don't know. I'm speculating. It's an option.
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Posted By: Trostre Parc Boy
Date Posted: 06 August 2025 at 2:38pm
| Think it says “Scarlets Supporters Trust” on the planning video. I just can’t understand that if it wasn’t CRY16, how they wouldn’t have put out a statement denying it was them. Especially as it’s been 24 hours of radio silence from them! |
Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 06 August 2025 at 4:07pm
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Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 06 August 2025 at 4:28pm
| I have visions of the Homer disappearing into the hedge gif…. |
Posted By: gaffer
Date Posted: 06 August 2025 at 5:04pm
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If true, it's deplorable. I'd love to know who might have been deluded enough to think that this would be 'the right thing to do'. CRYS 16 need to make a statement about this pretty damn quick as there's been radio silence for 24hrs. Is it true? If so - was it a collective decision? Was it a lone wolf? Where did the idea come from? Was the Scarlets' board involved/informed? What did anyone think this would achieve...? ------------- What's going on? |
Posted By: Rob Hunt
Date Posted: 06 August 2025 at 5:17pm
I have just emailed Crys 16 posing these questions. Still awaiting a reply.
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Posted By: Ben10thomas
Date Posted: 06 August 2025 at 5:28pm
| I emailed them last night as well no reply, silence is deafning. |
Posted By: Trostre Parc Boy
Date Posted: 06 August 2025 at 5:39pm
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Seems like they are pleading the 5th! Also nothing from our board which is also worrying.
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Posted By: insidehalf
Date Posted: 06 August 2025 at 7:06pm
| I think, If it's true that Crys did object and the radio silence since the objection doesn't put them in a good light. Then the whole Crys board should resign and offer an apology to the Ospreys and the Ospreys supporters club. No way should something like this be done on our behalf without our backing. It makes us look petty and narrow minded. |
Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 06 August 2025 at 7:12pm
| Crys have released commentary. Members should have it. |
Posted By: Mr Ian
Date Posted: 06 August 2025 at 7:30pm
| I can understand Crys position.. |
Posted By: Trostre Parc Boy
Date Posted: 06 August 2025 at 8:36pm
| So it is true that CRYS16 did object to the St. Helen’s redevelopment. Still doesn’t sit right with me. Are we that insecure with our position that we felt it was necessary. |
Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 06 August 2025 at 9:13pm
crys simpletons msde a right hash of this bless them, maybe do a bit more prep next tine
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Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 06 August 2025 at 9:24pm
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Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 06 August 2025 at 9:28pm
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Crys 16 logo Member Update: St Helen's Redevelopment We are writing to you following the recent news that we, Crys16, as a Supporters Trust were one of two letters who objected to the planning application made by the Ospreys relating to the redevelopment of St Helen’s. We hear and understand our members’ concerns and passionate debate this has created. This is why we wanted to set out the context of our objections amidst the ongoing and increasing uncertainty of the future of professional rugby in Wales. In any event, we will reflect on Member feedback seriously. Whilst we would not ordinarily get involved in this process, the Crys16 board felt the approval of this application has significant connotations beyond the Swansea City area. These concerns were echoed by a local member of the Senedd, Cefin Campbell MS, and MPs Ann Davies and Nia Griffith on BBC Wales earlier today. Acting in the best interests of our members and with little time to consult our members, we undertook the difficult decision to take this action to defend one of our constitutional principles and protect the future of professional rugby in Llanelli. As many of you will be aware from recent media reports, the WRU have expressed a preference to reduce the number of teams in Wales, potentially to having just one based in the West. The approval of a new, publicly funded facility in direct competition with Parc y Scarlets, has an existential impact on our future. We urge members and all Scarlets fans to continue to support the Scarlets, demonstrating to the Welsh public and the rugby world, why the 150 years of heritage of our club is so important not just to cultural, economic and social fabric of Llanelli and Carmarthenshire but the identity of the whole of West Wales. We always encourage our members to contact us should you still have any concerns. Please get in touch with us directly via the button below. Crys 16 Parc Y Scarlets, Pemberton Park Llanelli Carmarthenshire SA14 9UZ United Kingdom Powered by EmailOctopus |
Posted By: gaffer
Date Posted: 06 August 2025 at 11:58pm
It does. The objection to planning will not address that. SCC will take positive steps to assist the Ospreys' survival if the WRU's decision is to propose two teams - based in Cardiff & Swansea. SCC would be mad not to protect the economic interests of their area. We would expect CCC to do the same if the WRU proposed a Llanelli & Cardiff plan. The fight is to convince the WRU that teams based in Llanelli & Cardiff is the better option. Point to a 12-14k venue that's already in place and easier to access than St. Helens. Point to superior attendances over the last 5 seasons. Point to stability of investment over 20 years. Convince the non-rugby people that PYS is the value option that offers the best potential for growth and success in the next 5 years. That, to me would be a better approach. ------------- What's going on? |
Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 07 August 2025 at 11:19am
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The irony is instead of what a appears a bit of a desperate attempt to stop st helens plans if theyd actually made a more genuine objection such as the mindless destructions of st helens cricket ground..A ground set up and created by Llanelli bigwig Charles chambers of Llanelli House... who not only set up St Helens cricket club and 1870 but also set up the football (rugby football) club a year or so later and then went on to become the Welsh rugb unions first chairman. He also played for Glamorgan and was my great uncle x 7 lol His brawd william chambers pretty much invented the rules for athletics boxing billiards and rowing too and his ....his son an Oxford blue hosted the first ever FA cup final too...https://sportinglandmarks.co.uk/john-graham-chambers-the-fa-cup-final-conundrum/  ------------- ROYMOND MUNTER MBE (FOR SERVICES TO THE COMBOVER) |
Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 07 August 2025 at 11:27am
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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 07 August 2025 at 11:42am
They might have made the wrong call here, but they are far from dullards. They are root and branch Scarlets supporters. |
Posted By: Trostre Parc Boy
Date Posted: 07 August 2025 at 12:12pm
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Now that CRYS16 have finally admitted that they did in fact object to the St. Helens redevelopment. I’d like to know:- 1. Did CRYS16 inform our clubs board of Directors of their intention to do so? 2. When was the decision made to submit the redevelopment objection and by who? 3. What feedback if any has there been from our clubs board of Directors both prior and post the planning meeting on Tuesday?
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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 07 August 2025 at 12:27pm
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does anyyone know what their actual objections were? ------------- ROYMOND MUNTER MBE (FOR SERVICES TO THE COMBOVER) |
Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 07 August 2025 at 12:44pm
I agree with that. Crys 16 , its a very good organisation, very much valued, but probably made the wrong call call here. An objection to planning applications has many dimensions, and I have sat on various planning committees. The angle Crys have taken is the social and economic impact the creation this stadium will have. It must be remembered however we are talking of an existing team , who allready play in the city of Swansea. Planning applications however, generally examine social impact on residents ( Council tax payers) living in the area. I know some St Helens residents strongly object. Then you have the huge impact on traffic, parking and road safety. Parking in and around St Helens is allready at a premium, and there are some, but limited opportunities available to develop. Traffic wise , you allready have a bottle neck leading from Jersey Marine to Mumbles. Osprey fans ( from Swansea) I have met at Glammy cricket games say unequivocally that St Helens is the wrong option. As our friend states above its up to us (Scarlets and Carmarthenshire CC) to ensure that if it came to a straight choice Parc Y Scarlets is the obvious choice, for multiple reasons. Hopefully it won't come to this, but goodness knows sadly ,when the WRU have,anything to do with it. Finally Roy Munsters point of the destruction of Swansea cricket is a good one. I have watched cricket at St Helens since I was a boy, loved it. Always well attended for Glammy games. Swansea CC however presided over the apalling decline over a prize asset like St Helens, and it got to the stage where Glamorgan couldn't play there any more. Despite this , the council found an incredible amount of money under the sofa for the Osprey hair brain scheme . We will see how it pans out . ------------- I stood yer on tanner bank |
Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 07 August 2025 at 3:42pm
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Posted By: Ben10thomas
Date Posted: 07 August 2025 at 3:49pm
| There is a large car park but it is used as a park and ride, fairly busy on a Saturday. The biggest problem though it is only accessible from the Mumbles end, so if coming from city you have to detour around the ground to gain access, and when leaving you can only turn right so have to detour again to go to Mumbles say. |
Posted By: SA14
Date Posted: 07 August 2025 at 4:28pm
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Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 07 August 2025 at 4:29pm
im sure they can a mini round or a filter lane , it’s not a huge issie id guess
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Posted By: Ben10thomas
Date Posted: 07 August 2025 at 5:40pm
| Don’t think a mini roundabout would go down well on such a busy rd. there are traffic lights but no right turn from the east and no right turn to the west when leaving. |
Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 07 August 2025 at 7:00pm
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Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 07 August 2025 at 10:19pm
So says the traffic expert , on such a busy road.Traffic, parking and the new stadium are a bonkers combination ------------- I stood yer on tanner bank |
Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 07 August 2025 at 10:59pm
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Posted By: roy munster
Date Posted: 08 August 2025 at 1:12am
Nothing about 152 years of Cricket? and what of the swansea bay funding? Is any of that coming from carmarthenshire? ------------- ROYMOND MUNTER MBE (FOR SERVICES TO THE COMBOVER) |