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Topic: Team v Japan
Posted By: Mogwen
Subject: Team v Japan
Date Posted: 10 November 2025 at 8:08am
Id go with
15 Murray
14 LRZ
13 Tompkins
12 Hawkins
11 Rogers
10 Edwards
9 Williams

1 Smith
2 Lake
3 Griffin
4 Davies
5 Jenkins
6 cracknell
7 Reffell
8 Morse

16 Anyone but Belcher
17 Carre
18 Coleman
19 Beard
20 Wsinwright
21 RMW
22 Evans
23 Adams

Im not a fan of tompkins but he cant be wirse than what we saw yesterdsy. If Tandy doednt call up Reffell theres something wrong big time

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Posted By: Trostre Parc Boy
Date Posted: 10 November 2025 at 9:03am
I think Murray will be replaced by Betham and Rogers by LRZ.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 10 November 2025 at 9:04am
Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Id go with
15 Murray
14 LRZ
13 Tompkins
12 Hawkins
11 Rogers
10 Edwards
9 Williams

1 Smith
2 Lake
3 Griffin
4 Davies
5 Jenkins
6 cracknell
7 Reffell
8 Morse

16 Anyone but Belcher
17 Carre
18 Coleman
19 Beard
20 Wsinwright
21 RMW
22 Evans
23 Adams

Im not a fan of tompkins but he cant be wirse than what we saw yesterdsy. If Tandy doednt call up Reffell theres something wrong big time

Assiratti did Ok in fairness but he doesn't make your 23. I would call up Deaves ahead of Reffell - more dynamic. Hennessey not Tompkons & I would start Jarrod. 


Posted By: skyblue
Date Posted: 10 November 2025 at 9:25am
Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Id go with
15 Murray
14 LRZ
13 Tompkins
12 Hawkins
11 Rogers
10 Edwards
9 Williams

1 Smith
2 Lake
3 Griffin
4 Davies
5 Jenkins
6 cracknell
7 Reffell
8 Morse

16 Anyone but Belcher
17 Carre
18 Coleman
19 Beard
20 Wsinwright
21 RMW
22 Evans
23 Adams

Im not a fan of tompkins but he cant be wirse than what we saw yesterdsy. If Tandy doednt call up Reffell theres something wrong big time
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I'd put Morse at 7, not big enough for an international 8.


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Posted By: Raised By Peregos
Date Posted: 10 November 2025 at 10:04am
For me...

15 Rogers (I don't know when and why he was permanently moved to the wing).

14 Murray (almost every top team has a small winger and manages)
13 Llewellyn (I like Hennessey but he's raw).
12 Tompkins (Only other option at 12 really. I've never been a fan but you can't deny he's in form for his club. He's not a 13. I'd be tempted to try Llewellyn there but that seems like a big ask)
11 LRZ
10 Edwards
9 Williams

1 Carre (Thought the scrum was fine when he was on)
2 Lake
3 Griffin (Assiratti did play better than he thought he would mind so he gets on the bench).
4 Davies (Still don't see what Beard adds. It must be all the 'unseen' work because I never see it!)
5 Jenkins
6 Plumtree (Convinced he's a test match animal and won't give away any more pens than Mann - but I did also think Mann played better than expected. Certainly gave 100% and top tackler).
7 Morse (Hybrid back-rower really, but then I wouldn't say Savea is a textbook 7 either).
8 Wainwright

16 Coghlan
17 Smith
18 Assiratti
19 Thomas
20 Deaves / Reffell depending who he calls up.
21 RMW
22 Evans
23 Beetham


Posted By: ndavies198
Date Posted: 10 November 2025 at 11:57am
Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

For me...

15 Rogers (I don't know when and why he was permanently moved to the wing).

14 Murray (almost every top team has a small winger and manages)
13 Llewellyn (I like Hennessey but he's raw).
12 Tompkins (Only other option at 12 really. I've never been a fan but you can't deny he's in form for his club. He's not a 13. I'd be tempted to try Llewellyn there but that seems like a big ask)
11 LRZ
10 Edwards
9 Williams

1 Carre (Thought the scrum was fine when he was on)
2 Lake
3 Griffin (Assiratti did play better than he thought he would mind so he gets on the bench).
4 Davies (Still don't see what Beard adds. It must be all the 'unseen' work because I never see it!)
5 Jenkins
6 Plumtree (Convinced he's a test match animal and won't give away any more pens than Mann - but I did also think Mann played better than expected. Certainly gave 100% and top tackler).
7 Morse (Hybrid back-rower really, but then I wouldn't say Savea is a textbook 7 either).
8 Wainwright

16 Coghlan
17 Smith
18 Assiratti
19 Thomas
20 Deaves / Reffell depending who he calls up.
21 RMW
22 Evans
23 Beetham

Not too dissimilar to yours:

15 Rogers (Same reasoning, I prefer to see him at FB - everyone missed tackles on the weekend which could be put down to getting used to a new defensive system)
14 Murray (But against NZ and SA, Josh Adams might be the better option - I think he should have an opportunity though)
13 Hennessey (Same reasoning, which is why I'd give him a chance now as he won't get an opportunity for the rest of the series, Llewelyn is probably a safer option though)
12 Hawkins (Best out of the options available in my opinion, shame he hasn't had more game time in the build up but I think he has more potential than the other options as he can be the 2nd playmaker as well as truck it up)
11 LRZ (he looked a little gassed running off the mark at times on the weekend so could be risky if he's not entirely match fit but not sure how he can be left out as I want Beetham to get an opportunity although without the experience to start Beetham takes the bench spot)
10 Edwards
Williams

Carre (I think we're better to start him then replace him when he's gassed, even if that's at 35 mins, rather than bring him on at a set point later in the game)
Lake
Griffin (Same reasoning)
Beard (I think we need the experience)
Jenkins
Mann (Played well so doesn't deserve to be replaced)
Taine Plumtree (Has played openside at Scarlets, dynamic, and again need someone with test experience and I prefer if we used players originally called up who have had more time in camp)
Wainwright

16 Coghlan
17 Smith
18 Assiratti
19 Ben Carter (Offers leadership) or James Fender (a lot of hype around his abilities) (Both will also be necessary in the final test as only Welsh based players available so will need game time so would be tempted to even start Ben Carter in place of Beard or Jenkins)
20 Morgan Morse (Can cover the back row and needs experience)
21 Hardy
22 Sheedy (see what he can do before the remaining tests - he'll also have to play during the SA game anyway with Evans going back to Quins so will need some game time)
23 Beetham (see what he can do before the remaining tests)


Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 10 November 2025 at 12:10pm
Originally posted by Mogwen Mogwen wrote:

Id go with
15 Murray
14 LRZ
13 Tompkins
12 Hawkins
11 Rogers
10 Edwards
9 Williams

1 Smith
2 Lake
3 Griffin
4 Davies
5 Jenkins
6 cracknell
7 Reffell
8 Morse

16 Anyone but Belcher
17 Carre
18 Coleman
19 Beard
20 Wsinwright
21 RMW
22 Evans
23 Adams

Im not a fan of tompkins but he cant be wirse than what we saw yesterdsy. If Tandy doednt call up Reffell theres something wrong big time


Apologies, 6 & 8 wrong way round and i forgot about Hennesey. Id have him before Tompkins. I wouldnt have sheedy near the team

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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 10 November 2025 at 1:50pm
Lets face it Tandy is between a rock & a hard place with not too many options available. I would hope that he doesn't feel too conservative as its Japan next week. I would suggest -

15. Beatham 14. LRZ 13. Hennessey 12. Hawkins 11. Adams 10. Jarrod Evans 9. Tomos
1. Smith 2. Lake 3. Assirrati 4. Beard 5. Jenkins 6. Plumtree 7. Morse 8. Wainwright

16. Belcher 17. Carre 18. Griffin 19. Thomas 20. Cracknell 21. Hardy 22. Edwards 23. Murray. 


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 10 November 2025 at 3:12pm
Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

For me...

15 Rogers (I don't know when and why he was permanently moved to the wing).

14 Murray (almost every top team has a small winger and manages)
13 Llewellyn (I like Hennessey but he's raw).
12 Tompkins (Only other option at 12 really. I've never been a fan but you can't deny he's in form for his club. He's not a 13. I'd be tempted to try Llewellyn there but that seems like a big ask)
11 LRZ
10 Edwards
9 Williams

1 Carre (Thought the scrum was fine when he was on)
2 Lake
3 Griffin (Assiratti did play better than he thought he would mind so he gets on the bench).
4 Davies (Still don't see what Beard adds. It must be all the 'unseen' work because I never see it!)
5 Jenkins
6 Plumtree (Convinced he's a test match animal and won't give away any more pens than Mann - but I did also think Mann played better than expected. Certainly gave 100% and top tackler).
7 Morse (Hybrid back-rower really, but then I wouldn't say Savea is a textbook 7 either).
8 Wainwright

16 Coghlan
17 Smith
18 Assiratti
19 Thomas
20 Deaves / Reffell depending who he calls up.
21 RMW
22 Evans
23 Beetham

Looks like a reasonable selection...

I might prefer LRZ at 15 with Rogers on the wing. Beard actually did OK, I thought - and Jenkins was anonymous, so not sure about that. Plumtree definitely plays some part, if fit. 


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Posted By: Raised By Peregos
Date Posted: 10 November 2025 at 3:30pm
Jenkins made 18 tackles and Beard 14. I agree Beard did OK. But he always seems to just do OK. 

Jenkins really DOES do a lot of unseen work. You don't captain Exeter and be a mug. 

I don't think LRZ wants to play FB.


Posted By: Legendinmybathroom
Date Posted: 10 November 2025 at 4:06pm
LRZ looked completely out on his feet after his first chip and chase, he’s going to take a few matches to gain his fitness back.


Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 10 November 2025 at 5:37pm
Need to go fully loaded from whoever’s not on the convalescence, treatment & rehab list.

It’s the only winnable match.


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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 11 November 2025 at 7:23am
I have to vent about Carre. He's no more of a scrum threat than Smith or Thomas, but what really got my rabbit is that he stood in the back line, between the centres, on numerous occasions, threatening to carry...in fact he was so passive in coming in to the line/on to the ball that Edwards had no choice but miss him out...every single time...it was like watching the unfit kid at Under 15's who made it that far because he was bigger than everyone else from age 9.

No place in international rugby based on that.


Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 11 November 2025 at 8:47am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I have to vent about Carre. He's no more of a scrum threat than Smith or Thomas, but what really got my rabbit is that he stood in the back line, between the centres, on numerous occasions, threatening to carry...in fact he was so passive in coming in to the line/on to the ball that Edwards had no choice but miss him out...every single time...it was like watching the unfit kid at Under 15's who made it that far because he was bigger than everyone else from age 9.

No place in international rugby based on that.
Gatland was right he is a wasted talent no way is he fit, I suppose he gets away with it at Saracens because he is playing with better players. 


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Posted By: Gate12
Date Posted: 11 November 2025 at 9:39am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I have to vent about Carre. He's no more of a scrum threat than Smith or Thomas, but what really got my rabbit is that he stood in the back line, between the centres, on numerous occasions, threatening to carry...in fact he was so passive in coming in to the line/on to the ball that Edwards had no choice but miss him out...every single time...it was like watching the unfit kid at Under 15's who made it that far because he was bigger than everyone else from age 9.

No place in international rugby based on that.

Wales has to move to the NZ style where bigger players play up in junior rugby. There's enough big Welsh rugby players around but they've coasted so much for so long that they're just a bit soft and haven't developed enough.


Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 11 November 2025 at 1:43pm
Gate, youre right. I remember when i was in school a yr7 (form1 at the time) boy stood at 6ft 3. He was st least a foot taller than everyone else. Give him the ball and he scored everytime. He was never challenged because he never had any opposition. He vould have gone far, but 9 years later he was playing against me in division 3 West. Prime example

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The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.


Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 11 November 2025 at 3:07pm
I’d like to see Beetham given a run at 15. Decent size and boot on him, might offer some aerial work. I love Murray but he isn’t a fullback.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 11 November 2025 at 3:08pm
Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I have to vent about Carre. He's no more of a scrum threat than Smith or Thomas, but what really got my rabbit is that he stood in the back line, between the centres, on numerous occasions, threatening to carry...in fact he was so passive in coming in to the line/on to the ball that Edwards had no choice but miss him out...every single time...it was like watching the unfit kid at Under 15's who made it that far because he was bigger than everyone else from age 9.

No place in international rugby based on that.

Gatland was right he is a wasted talent no way is he fit, I suppose he gets away with it at Saracens because he is playing with better players. 



The stats were there if Wales bothered to look...plays on average for 47 minutes, tackle success of 73%.

Sarries have benched him in the last 2 games.





Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 11 November 2025 at 3:32pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Why Why wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I have to vent about Carre. He's no more of a scrum threat than Smith or Thomas, but what really got my rabbit is that he stood in the back line, between the centres, on numerous occasions, threatening to carry...in fact he was so passive in coming in to the line/on to the ball that Edwards had no choice but miss him out...every single time...it was like watching the unfit kid at Under 15's who made it that far because he was bigger than everyone else from age 9.

No place in international rugby based on that.

Gatland was right he is a wasted talent no way is he fit, I suppose he gets away with it at Saracens because he is playing with better players. 



The stats were there if Wales bothered to look...plays on average for 47 minutes, tackle success of 73%.

Sarries have benched him in the last 2 games.




That seems a little shoddy then Wil especially deciding to start him. 


Posted By: skyblue
Date Posted: 11 November 2025 at 3:52pm
Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I have to vent about Carre. He's no more of a scrum threat than Smith or Thomas, but what really got my rabbit is that he stood in the back line, between the centres, on numerous occasions, threatening to carry...in fact he was so passive in coming in to the line/on to the ball that Edwards had no choice but miss him out...every single time...it was like watching the unfit kid at Under 15's who made it that far because he was bigger than everyone else from age 9.

No place in international rugby based on that.

Wales has to move to the NZ style where bigger players play up in junior rugby. There's enough big Welsh rugby players around but they've coasted so much for so long that they're just a bit soft and haven't developed enough.
I agree Wales should copy NZ....but not just in getting bigger/talented players to play up which I believe already goes on....but in it's emphasis on fitness.
The tempo they play at is astonishing. We're not the biggest nation so our number one focus should be on playing a high tempo fast game, which was always the Welsh way.



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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 9:05am

Wales XV: Blair Murray; Louis Rees-Zammit, Max Llewellyn, Ben Thomas, Josh Adams; Dan Edwards, Tomos Williams; Nicky Smith, Dewi Lake (C), Archie Griffin, Dafydd Jenkins, Adam Beard, Aaron Wainwright, Alex Mann, Olly Cracknell.

Replacements: Liam Belcher, Rhys Carre, Keiron Assiratti, Freddie Thomas, Taine Plumtree, Kieran Hardy, Jarrod Evans, Nick Tompkins



Posted By: Scrletsfan32x
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 9:09am
Ben Thomas again, don’t these coaches learn anything.


Posted By: greypower1
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 9:49am
He's the best rugby player in Wales and is employed by the WRU owned Cardiff Rugby, of course he will be first name on the team sheet.!

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Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 10:15am
This has huge implications for next two matches it would be better for the long run if we lost against Japan, so we can end the careers of players who are not international standard. Unfortunately as long as we have Sherratt involved then we are knackered. 
Surely this was a game we needed to try people like Hawkins, Fender, Deaves and Davies. 
Picking Blair at 15 is not right either would have put him on bench and tried Beetham or even Rogers. 
What they have done is picked a back row with the wrong balance surely would be better to start with a genuine open side. 
The World Cup seeding is irrelevant as we will not get past group stages whether a second tier of third tier team. Even if we do we will be embarrassed by a tier one nation in the quarters. 



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Posted By: Raised By Peregos
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 10:29am
There was this debate on twitter and gwlad I think. We are a tier one nation, and will remain one regardless of rankings. The seeding rankings are bands. It does get confusing. 


Posted By: aber-fan
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 10:42am
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Wales XV: Blair Murray; Louis Rees-Zammit, Max Llewellyn, Ben Thomas, Josh Adams; Dan Edwards, Tomos Williams; Nicky Smith, Dewi Lake (C), Archie Griffin, Dafydd Jenkins, Adam Beard, Aaron Wainwright, Alex Mann, Olly Cracknell.

Replacements: Liam Belcher, Rhys Carre, Keiron Assiratti, Freddie Thomas, Taine Plumtree, Kieran Hardy, Jarrod Evans, Nick Tompkins


Looks as if the coaches have gone for consistency in selection, with few changes. This can be a good idea, at times. Is it a good idea here? I think that I'm prepared to wait for the result before making a judgement on that!

FWIW, I would have moved Murray to the wing and chosen someone taller at 15... though presumably the Japanese backs will be shorter than the Argentina ones - or are they? The centres both did very little last week, so can be considered very lucky. Edwards didn't kick well either. 

In the forwards, it's a sensible call to start Smith. The lack of a 'proper' 7 could be a problem. Plumtree definitely deserves his place in the 23... so long as the new coaches can get him to control his enthusiasm and avoid giving away silly pens or a YC.


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Posted By: steve evans
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 10:48am
As sad as it is, I can see Eddie Jones giving an instruction to go in hard and heavy on LRZ. If he lasts the duration I will be surprised.


Posted By: Raised By Peregos
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 11:07am
I'm still really frustrated by the lack of opportunities for Morgan Morse. We have a Pollock-esque talent and we can't even find a spot for him on the bench against Japan. Even AFTER losing Morgan. For me, it highlights the lack of progressive thinking in Welsh rugby. 

You could argue that some decisions in the backs fall into the same bracket. 


Posted By: Gate12
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 11:37am
There's a lot of noise around Morse not being in the 23 which I tend to agree with (although that would be instead of Mann for me), but he didn't start many games for the Ospreys last season and only started a few this season so I can only assume that Ospreys fans are equally frustrated with their own coaches selection choices.


Posted By: Raised By Peregos
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 11:52am
He's started 3 out of 5 this season, 7 out of 15 last season, 7 out of 12 the season before at 18 (Ospreys only stat). Most times at no.8

He's got enough experience to step up. He genuinely has the X-factor, and is a workhorse. It's so frustrating.


Posted By: Trostre Parc Boy
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 12:00pm
Why have we picked 5 blindside flankers in our squad and no out and out 7?
Mann
Wainwright 
Cracknell
Thomas
Plumtree
Against Japan who will be throwing the ball around for fun?


Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 12:09pm
Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

He's started 3 out of 5 this season, 7 out of 15 last season, 7 out of 12 the season before at 18 (Ospreys only stat). Most times at no.8

He's got enough experience to step up. He genuinely has the X-factor, and is a workhorse. It's so frustrating.

The comparison to Pollock is fair.
Pollock rarely starts for Saints.
He hasn't played much post Lions.

I'd have Morse on the bench but in place of a back.

We don't need a fly half on the bench if Thomas is starting.


Posted By: Gate12
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 12:13pm
Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

He's started 3 out of 5 this season, 7 out of 15 last season, 7 out of 12 the season before at 18 (Ospreys only stat). Most times at no.8

He's got enough experience to step up. He genuinely has the X-factor, and is a workhorse. It's so frustrating.

He's only started half of games in the last 2 seasons for his club does raise the question whether his coaches think he's ready, I do, but my coaching experience is just a tad below Tandy and Mark Jones!


Posted By: Raised By Peregos
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 12:54pm
Paul10 - Agreed - take a place of a back on the bench.

Gate12 - There just seems to be this fear or something that stops him being picked more. Maybe it's his versatility, maybe it's case of they're trying SO hard to make his development perfect that they're scared of playing him too early. I have a mate whose son played with him all through school, and I've followed his career closely. Everything points to him being a star. Nothing has ever really come out that suggests otherwise. By the time he gets in the Welsh team though, he'll have lost all that glorious exuberance of youth and be another jaded Welsh rugby 'star'!

Other countries, more successful countries, are happy to throw in younger players, what makes us think that we're doing it a better way?


Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 12:55pm
Originally posted by Trostre Parc Boy Trostre Parc Boy wrote:

Why have we picked 5 blindside flankers in our squad and no out and out 7?
Mann
Wainwright 
Cracknell
Thomas
Plumtree
Against Japan who will be throwing the ball around for fun?
That’s classic Tandy, he used to do the same things for the Ospreys.

I can’t figure out how Ben Thomas is an international 12.


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 1:00pm
Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

Paul10 - Agreed - take a place of a back on the bench.

Gate12 - There just seems to be this fear or something that stops him being picked more. Maybe it's his versatility, maybe it's case of they're trying SO hard to make his development perfect that they're scared of playing him too early. I have a mate whose son played with him all through school, and I've followed his career closely. Everything points to him being a star. Nothing has ever really come out that suggests otherwise. By the time he gets in the Welsh team though, he'll have lost all that glorious exuberance of youth and be another jaded Welsh rugby 'star'!

Other countries, more successful countries, are happy to throw in younger players, what makes us think that we're doing it a better way?

Totally agree RBP. You can only be the coming man for so long!!!!!! This game would have been ideal. I would have started him at 7 with instructions to target the defensive breakdown & get into the wide channels whenever possible. The boy has got what it takes but its asking a lot to expect him to come in against the two best sides in the World & make a difference from the off. 

I would have also had Deaves on the bench in place of Plumtree or Thomas.


Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 1:28pm
Can’t figure Tandy out. He had multiple backrows in the squad, called up Cracknell, and now he’s starting over them. 


Posted By: Raised By Peregos
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 1:58pm
I think it's because he's making decisions out of fear. We desperately need the win so he's gone for a pack that can hopefully out-bash them. Personally I think picking teams to combat an opposition rather than synergise your own style of play is a long-term recipe for disaster. 

So we're looking at trying to out-muscle Japan, one of the precious few teams we could attempt that against, and then we'll get smashed by NZ and SA. But I guess we should hold that 12th ranking place which is arguably THE most important thing.


Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 2:25pm
Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

I think it's because he's making decisions out of fear. We desperately need the win so he's gone for a pack that can hopefully out-bash them. Personally I think picking teams to combat an opposition rather than synergise your own style of play is a long-term recipe for disaster. 

So we're looking at trying to out-muscle Japan, one of the precious few teams we could attempt that against, and then we'll get smashed by NZ and SA. But I guess we should hold that 12th ranking place which is arguably THE most important thing.
Perhaps, but then he selected Thomas at 12 and Murray at 15. Hawkins would have been a more robust 12. Or Hennessey.

Likewise Beetham is 6ft2 at fullback. Panic selections creeping in.


Posted By: Raised By Peregos
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 2:40pm
Tony, I think he's less concerned about the backline size (obviously!). He said he wanted consistency across selection to build on what they've been doing. He (or Sherratt) clearly see Ben Thomas as key to that (sadly). The Murray pick is a surprise (maybe for his confidence?). 


Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 2:43pm
Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

Tony, I think he's less concerned about the backline size (obviously!). He said he wanted consistency across selection to build on what they've been doing. He (or Sherratt) clearly see Ben Thomas as key to that (sadly). The Murray pick is a surprise (maybe for his confidence?). 
Yeah I get that, I just don’t agree with then. Murray played 15 against Japan twice and they got the better of him. I’ve yet to see anything in Thomas suggesting he’s an international class 12.


Posted By: Raised By Peregos
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 2:48pm
I've said some positive things about Ben Thomas in the past... and I think he makes an effective club player covering several positions but he's not ready to be an international 12 in the modern game.




Posted By: gnasher1975
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 2:56pm
Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

Paul10 - Agreed - take a place of a back on the bench.

Gate12 - There just seems to be this fear or something that stops him being picked more. Maybe it's his versatility, maybe it's case of they're trying SO hard to make his development perfect that they're scared of playing him too early. I have a mate whose son played with him all through school, and I've followed his career closely. Everything points to him being a star. Nothing has ever really come out that suggests otherwise. By the time he gets in the Welsh team though, he'll have lost all that glorious exuberance of youth and be another jaded Welsh rugby 'star'!

Other countries, more successful countries, are happy to throw in younger players, what makes us think that we're doing it a better way?


I think perhaps other countries have enough talent in their packs to be able to experiment with a youngster in the pack.

We sadly don't have that.


Posted By: Why
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 3:44pm
Originally posted by gnasher1975 gnasher1975 wrote:

Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

Paul10 - Agreed - take a place of a back on the bench.

Gate12 - There just seems to be this fear or something that stops him being picked more. Maybe it's his versatility, maybe it's case of they're trying SO hard to make his development perfect that they're scared of playing him too early. I have a mate whose son played with him all through school, and I've followed his career closely. Everything points to him being a star. Nothing has ever really come out that suggests otherwise. By the time he gets in the Welsh team though, he'll have lost all that glorious exuberance of youth and be another jaded Welsh rugby 'star'!

Other countries, more successful countries, are happy to throw in younger players, what makes us think that we're doing it a better way?


I think perhaps other countries have enough talent in their packs to be able to experiment with a youngster in the pack.

We sadly don't have that.
But if you don’t try them you will never know, I don’t see the point in picking a player like Beard when you have Fender or Davies in the squad. Same with picking Deaves in squad and then going with effectively three 6’s in back row. Then putting two other 6’s on bench, Freddie Thomas is a six not a lock. There is clearly one game plan if that doesn’t work we’re knackered. 
As for Ben Thomas it’s totally baffling. 



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Posted By: Raised By Peregos
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 3:59pm
Freddie Thomas has played lock 71% of the time for Gloucester. I guess the argument is two-fold though - International rugby is a step-up and you want your international locks to be playing there 100% of the time. 




Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 4:43pm
I don’t think Freddie has the size needed for international lock, as solid of a player as he is. You’re giving up height in the lineout, and ballast in the scrum. This is what Tandy always did, he put players like Lloyd Peers and James King at lock, and they had a powerpuff pack.


Posted By: skyblue
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 8:23pm
Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

He's started 3 out of 5 this season, 7 out of 15 last season, 7 out of 12 the season before at 18 (Ospreys only stat). Most times at no.8

He's got enough experience to step up. He genuinely has the X-factor, and is a workhorse. It's so frustrating.

He's only started half of games in the last 2 seasons for his club does raise the question whether his coaches think he's ready, I do, but my coaching experience is just a tad below Tandy and Mark Jones!
Look at the team young Pollock was put into compared to the one young Morse will be immersed into...if he's picked for the SA game without even the England based players around him he's on a hiding to nothing.


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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 8:47pm
Two score win for Japan, couple of individual tries for Wales.


Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 9:02pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Two score win for Japan, couple of individual tries for Wales.

Bleak Wil!! Very bleak. With all due respect, I hope you’re wrong.


Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 9:33pm
Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Two score win for Japan, couple of individual tries for Wales.

Bleak Wil!! Very bleak. With all due respect, I hope you’re wrong.
I can see it. We were lucky to get the win in Japan, totally a chance we blew test #2 this summer and were staring down 20+ losses on the bounce.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 9:48pm
Originally posted by Tony Clifton Tony Clifton wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Two score win for Japan, couple of individual tries for Wales.


Bleak Wil!! Very bleak. With all due respect, I hope you’re wrong.

I can see it. We were lucky to get the win in Japan, totally a chance we blew test #2 this summer and were staring down 20+ losses on the bounce.



Japan aren't great, but they gave Ireland a good game up to the last 15 or so...and it wasn't Ireland being complacent or being off the boil, it was Japan playing at high tempo with accuracy, the pack was decent too.

We have gone for an odd back row, with now not much pace in the back 5, and really only Wainwright as a reasonably dynamic and impactful carrier.

LRZ will add some spark but I really don't see much else in the back line.

The loss of Jac Morgan is immeasurable.


Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 13 November 2025 at 10:08pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Originally posted by Tony Clifton Tony Clifton wrote:

Originally posted by ap sior ap sior wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Two score win for Japan, couple of individual tries for Wales.


Bleak Wil!! Very bleak. With all due respect, I hope you’re wrong.

I can see it. We were lucky to get the win in Japan, totally a chance we blew test #2 this summer and were staring down 20+ losses on the bounce.



Japan aren't great, but they gave Ireland a good game up to the last 15 or so...and it wasn't Ireland being complacent or being off the boil, it was Japan playing at high tempo with accuracy, the pack was decent too.

We have gone for an odd back row, with now not much pace in the back 5, and really only Wainwright as a reasonably dynamic and impactful carrier.

LRZ will add some spark but I really don't see much else in the back line.

The loss of Jac Morgan is immeasurable.
Tandy loves his 6s. I can’t figure out how Cracknell went from called up behind Morse and Plumtree to starting. Wainwright finally hitting the gears at 8, and we move him


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 14 November 2025 at 6:31am
All a bit odd ... it's a back 5 forwards selection that's built to grind .. pick and go..keep it tight...keep the opposition numbers locked in to defending the fringes etc.

It's a plan. Not sure it's the right one.


Posted By: dr_martinov
Date Posted: 15 November 2025 at 6:29pm
Lack of posts about the game probably says it all. That we couldn't score against 13 man Japan is particularly concerning. We are lucky they aren't taking their chances. 

I do have to ask: what on earth has happened to Josh Adams? He used to be good but it's like Cuthbert all over again. 


Posted By: Kooga67
Date Posted: 15 November 2025 at 6:31pm
Dire. Tomos will recieve ball passes to Edwards who is standing 15 yes behind gain line, ball then gets passed back an extra 10 yds. Pathetic


Posted By: gaffer
Date Posted: 15 November 2025 at 6:35pm
HT - 7-7

Murray having an awful game. Pack has zero impact and the centres even less. Only players I see having a reasonably satisfactory game are Jenkins/Tomos/Dan - the rest are an embarrassment to Welsh teams of the past. As for the coaches - Tandy/Wilson/Sherratt/Lydiate - all bargain basement and we all knew they weren't up to it. Still, the WRU wants to be in charge of it all. Well this is what you get.


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Posted By: steve evans
Date Posted: 15 November 2025 at 6:41pm
And add insult - advert on S4c for Bristol v Harlequins in March when even some of pitch side seats are empty for a Wales game



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