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Topic: U 18s
Posted By: John
Subject: U 18s
Date Posted: 11 January 2026 at 4:53pm
After the frustrations of yesterday, the hope of age grade rugby. Yes, there should always be hope at U18s- even the cold clammy fingers of the WRU can't fully extinguish that. So the score- 40- 7 to us or 6 tries to 1. I'm not sure if more than 1 conversion was missed. Only 2 names that I recognise from last year Jac Cloke at 7 and Alfie Luger- some name for a scrum half. 

They played like a team and did the basics really well. They have even been coached to take the ball at pace, coming from deep and running straight at a gap. When did we last see a senior player doing that? Because this was primarily a team effort I will just mention two names:

Harvey Thomas at no.8 has the size, skill and most of all presence to go on. He wreaked havoc amongst the opposition in many aspects of the game. He could be a top player

Madoc Evans at fly half seems to have all the skills that CLJ had last year. Perhaps more. A year behind CLJ and growing on under the cover of all the CLJ noise might be the best thing for him. But he looks to be a very complete fly half.






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Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 11 January 2026 at 4:59pm
Originally posted by John John wrote:

After the frustrations of yesterday, the hope of age grade rugby. Yes, there should always be hope at U18s- even the cold clammy fingers of the WRU can't fully extinguish that. So the score- 40- 7 to us or 6 tries to 1. I'm not sure if more than 1 conversion was missed. Only 2 names that I recognise from last year Jac Cloke at 7 and Alfie Luger- some name for a scrum half. 

They played like a team and did the basics really well. They have even been coached to take the ball at pace, coming from deep and running straight at a gap. When did we last see a senior player doing that? Because this was primarily a team effort I will just mention two names:

Harvey Thomas at no.8 has the size, skill and most of all presence to go on. He wreaked havoc amongst the opposition in many aspects of the game. He could be a top player

Madoc Evans at fly half seems to have all the skills that CLJ had last year. Perhaps more. A year behind CLJ and growing on under the cover of all the CLJ noise might be the best thing for him. But he looks to be a very complete fly half.




Pardon my ignorance Jophn but I am assuming its the Scarlets 18's - who were they playing? If Scarlets 18's - Scott take a bow. 


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 11 January 2026 at 5:09pm
Scarlets U18s v RGC (Sunday, January 11; Llandovery RFC; 14:30)

15 Rhys Wyatt (Coleg y Cymoedd, Llantwit Fardre RFC); 14 Owain Llyr Hywel (Ysgol Penweddig, Aberyswyth RFC), 13 Jayden Brown (Llandovery College, Porthcawl RFC), 12 Harri Davies (Ammanford College, Llandeilo RFC), 11 Noa Harries (Llandovery College, Newcastle Emlyn RFC); 10 Madoc Evans (Coleg Sir Gar, Tenby RFC), 9 Alfie Luger (Llandovery College, Tenby RFC), 1 Ceian Lewis (Coleg Sir Gar, Amman Utd), 2 Cole Lacey (Coleg Sir Gar, Amman Utd), 3 Ollie Tucker (Llandovery College, Tenby RFC), 4 Hefin Hughes (Coleg Sir Gar, Amman Utd RFC), 5 Ifan Gravell-Jones (Ysgol y Strade, Burry Port RFC), 6 Keir Creasey (Ysgol Penweddig, Aberystwyth RFC), 7 Jac Cloke (capt; Coleg Sir Gar, Amman Utd), 8 Harvey Thomas (Llandovery College, Haverfordwest RFC)

Reps: 16 Noah Evans (Gower College, Llandeilo RFC), 17 Sam Cawsey (Llandovery College, South Gower RFC), 18 Dai Thomas (Ysgol Dyffryn Amman, Amman Utd), 19 Ryan Lanfear (Ysgol y Strade, Burry Port RFC), 20 Austin Sandford (Ysgol Penglais, Aberystwyth RFC), 21 Aled Skyrme (Christ College Brecon, Gwernyfed RFC), 22 Deio Thomas (Hartpury College, Newcastle Emlyn RFC), 23 James Bentley (Ysgol Dyffryn Amman, Amman Utd RFC).


Posted By: John
Date Posted: 11 January 2026 at 5:12pm
Originally posted by GPR - Rochester GPR - Rochester wrote:

Originally posted by John John wrote:

After the frustrations of yesterday, the hope of age grade rugby. Yes, there should always be hope at U18s- even the cold clammy fingers of the WRU can't fully extinguish that. So the score- 40- 7 to us or 6 tries to 1. I'm not sure if more than 1 conversion was missed. Only 2 names that I recognise from last year Jac Cloke at 7 and Alfie Luger- some name for a scrum half. 

They played like a team and did the basics really well. They have even been coached to take the ball at pace, coming from deep and running straight at a gap. When did we last see a senior player doing that? Because this was primarily a team effort I will just mention two names:

Harvey Thomas at no.8 has the size, skill and most of all presence to go on. He wreaked havoc amongst the opposition in many aspects of the game. He could be a top player

Madoc Evans at fly half seems to have all the skills that CLJ had last year. Perhaps more. A year behind CLJ and growing on under the cover of all the CLJ noise might be the best thing for him. But he looks to be a very complete fly half.




Pardon my ignorance Jophn but I am assuming its the Scarlets 18's - who were they playing? If Scarlets 18's - Scott take a bow. 

Yes Scarlets v RGC. There will be tougher oppostion in the weeks to come. And yes Scott is one of the coaches. They look like a well coached team but last year, so were the Os and Cardiff. There are quite a few very good youngish coaches about inspite of Reddin-originated propaganda.


Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 11 January 2026 at 5:18pm
  

  Great news! thanks John!


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 11 January 2026 at 5:25pm
Tougher games to come (although it was a 33-33 draw earlier this season between these two), but a good start.

Cardiff next week...probably the strongest team.

Congrats to the boys.


Posted By: brookesford
Date Posted: 11 January 2026 at 5:27pm
Originally posted by John John wrote:

After the frustrations of yesterday, the hope of age grade rugby. Yes, there should always be hope at U18s- even the cold clammy fingers of the WRU can't fully extinguish that. So the score- 40- 7 to us or 6 tries to 1. I'm not sure if more than 1 conversion was missed. Only 2 names that I recognise from last year Jac Cloke at 7 and Alfie Luger- some name for a scrum half. 

They played like a team and did the basics really well. They have even been coached to take the ball at pace, coming from deep and running straight at a gap. When did we last see a senior player doing that? Because this was primarily a team effort I will just mention two names:

Harvey Thomas at no.8 has the size, skill and most of all presence to go on. He wreaked havoc amongst the opposition in many aspects of the game. He could be a top player

Madoc Evans at fly half seems to have all the skills that CLJ had last year. Perhaps more. A year behind CLJ and growing on under the cover of all the CLJ noise might be the best thing for him. But he looks to be a very complete fly half.




Are these games on the internet somewhere to watch?


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Posted By: John
Date Posted: 11 January 2026 at 5:58pm
Originally posted by brookesford brookesford wrote:

Originally posted by John John wrote:

After the frustrations of yesterday, the hope of age grade rugby. Yes, there should always be hope at U18s- even the cold clammy fingers of the WRU can't fully extinguish that. So the score- 40- 7 to us or 6 tries to 1. I'm not sure if more than 1 conversion was missed. Only 2 names that I recognise from last year Jac Cloke at 7 and Alfie Luger- some name for a scrum half. 

They played like a team and did the basics really well. They have even been coached to take the ball at pace, coming from deep and running straight at a gap. When did we last see a senior player doing that? Because this was primarily a team effort I will just mention two names:

Harvey Thomas at no.8 has the size, skill and most of all presence to go on. He wreaked havoc amongst the opposition in many aspects of the game. He could be a top player

Madoc Evans at fly half seems to have all the skills that CLJ had last year. Perhaps more. A year behind CLJ and growing on under the cover of all the CLJ noise might be the best thing for him. But he looks to be a very complete fly half.




Are these games on the internet somewhere to watch?

I doubt it. Yes we had a camera there, which was connected to a laptop, studied by an analyst. And I hope, in the spirit of decency, the film would be made available to RGC. But that I suspect, is as far as it would go.


Posted By: Realwest
Date Posted: 11 January 2026 at 6:31pm
Did Ryan Lanfear come on I work with a guy who seems to think he is a bit special, a usual story looks like he’s too small for backrow and he’s been advised to learn to play hooker.


Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 11 January 2026 at 6:36pm
Can’t see us wanting to broadcast our young talent for other clubs to have a look at.

Appreciate the report, John. Big 8 please!


Posted By: John
Date Posted: 11 January 2026 at 6:50pm
Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

Did Ryan Lanfear come on I work with a guy who seems to think he is a bit special, a usual story looks like he’s too small for backrow and he’s been advised to learn to play hooker.

Yes, and played in the back row with Harvey Thomas moving into the second row. As the match wore on and the subs came on, our pack got more and more dominant. I would not want to credit any individual because it was a team effort. They can expect rougher, tougher packs in the weeks to come. Our two starting locks for instance look far to slight to play as locks but wreaked havoc with the RGC lineout. If they can do that for the other games, they're good prospects but, somewhere, there's some big bullies to come.

Unfortunately, size or lack of it, eliminates alot of youngstersfrom being top class players.


Posted By: Realwest
Date Posted: 11 January 2026 at 8:00pm
I’m drawn on this issue of the obsession with size it shouldn’t be the end of somebody’s career being undersized but often is.

I’d like to see the best metric is the effect a player has on the game.


Posted By: Dai Guevara
Date Posted: 11 January 2026 at 8:09pm
Deaves and Tom Bowen are 2 quite small players, but both more than make up for it in other way. I think that size if properly developed equates to power and that is essential. Of course for most forward positions (except perhaps 2 and 7) you won't get very far without bulk AND determination.


Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 11 January 2026 at 9:02pm
Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

I’m drawn on this issue of the obsession with size it shouldn’t be the end of somebody’s career being undersized but often is.

I’d like to see the best metric is the effect a player has on the game.
“Ye cannae beat the laws o’ physics”
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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 12 January 2026 at 7:46am
Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

I’m drawn on this issue of the obsession with size it shouldn’t be the end of somebody’s career being undersized but often is.

I’d like to see the best metric is the effect a player has on the game.


Being a success in rugby will always be about the size of the ticker, not the size of the frame...

There's an argument ( with several cases in mind) that being a 'massive lad' at age grade attracts high expectations from all quarters, drives a degree of complacency in the player, and quite often ends poorly for all.

Of course a 6'6" /19 stone 2nd row who loves a rumble is very desirable!



Posted By: Realwest
Date Posted: 12 January 2026 at 9:16am
One of the most useless players I’ve ever seen was that dap Will.

To say he had zero speed would have been generous to him he constantly stood on my toes and ran into my running line making me unable to tackle.

Big things were expected of him as his old man had won Welsh Youth Caps he finally left our club to join a team worse than ours, his first game for them he came on as a sub then was subbed after 20 mins.

As you say mindset is more important I’ve seen players half “big lad above” size but hit harder just through being up for a battle.

I hear the same story every year about the Pro teams saying players need to change to Hooker or Prop and I don’t like it.

I was tall so got put into the second row but that wasn’t my strength a decent coach would see that my strength was my fitness and getting to more rucks mauls and being able to get turnovers not by being strong but by beating the opposition to breakdowns.

My point being it’s hugely frustrating to be played out of position and not being able to show your best.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 12 January 2026 at 10:00am
I'm a huge fan of developing the player to match the skills (and find the concept of utility backs/forwards difficult).

Both my sons have had to compete with wise men advising them where they should play based around their physical attributes...no 1 son - at 6'1"...too small to play in his favoured position (No. 8)...but ideal for a hooker...got coached there at every level but his heart (and value addition) was in carrying .. ended up at 8 after a few seasons at 2 (including a couple of games for RFC)

No 2 son - same sort of size but a little more 'robust'...openside it is for you boi...
...it was the only and only time I've ever intervened with a coach ( son was 11 at the time) and said he's just won the Dyfed schools 100mts, can kick the ball a fair way, and has decent hands...surely he's a back?
...wonder what would have happened if I hadn't stepped in..


Posted By: GPR - Rochester
Date Posted: 12 January 2026 at 10:07am
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I'm a huge fan of developing the player to match the skills (and find the concept of utility backs/forwards difficult).

Both my sons have had to compete with wise men advising them where they should play based around their physical attributes...no 1 son - at 6'1"...too small to play in his favoured position (No. 8)...but ideal for a hooker...got coached there at every level but his heart (and value addition) was in carrying .. ended up at 8 after a few seasons at 2 (including a couple of games for RFC)

No 2 son - same sort of size but a little more 'robust'...openside it is for you boi...
...it was the only and only time I've ever intervened with a coach ( son was 11 at the time) and said he's just won the Dyfed schools 100mts, can kick the ball a fair way, and has decent hands...surely he's a back?
...wonder what would have happened if I hadn't stepped in..

Love it Wil - when I see Scott next I shall mention "robust" - term of endearment of course. Wink


Posted By: skyblue
Date Posted: 12 January 2026 at 12:37pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I'm a huge fan of developing the player to match the skills (and find the concept of utility backs/forwards difficult).

Both my sons have had to compete with wise men advising them where they should play based around their physical attributes...no 1 son - at 6'1"...too small to play in his favoured position (No. 8)...but ideal for a hooker...got coached there at every level but his heart (and value addition) was in carrying .. ended up at 8 after a few seasons at 2 (including a couple of games for RFC)

No 2 son - same sort of size but a little more 'robust'...openside it is for you boi...
...it was the only and only time I've ever intervened with a coach ( son was 11 at the time) and said he's just won the Dyfed schools 100mts, can kick the ball a fair way, and has decent hands...surely he's a back?
...wonder what would have happened if I hadn't stepped in..
yet at 6'1 he'd be taller than Ben Earl who's played at 8 for England.

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Posted By: Realwest
Date Posted: 12 January 2026 at 2:16pm
No2 would have had enough dog for 7 I wonder how far he would have gone playing there.

I’m hoping these boys get lots of games under their belts by the time some of them get into the Pro game.


Posted By: Raised By Peregos
Date Posted: 12 January 2026 at 2:36pm
i think 6'1 is a great height for a no.8 if you have a low centre of gravity and carry like a bull through a brick wall. 

no. 2 would be too busy trying chainsaw rip and get the glory!


Posted By: Raised By Peregos
Date Posted: 12 January 2026 at 2:40pm
On the size / age / position issue...

I've always been fascinated by the studies they did on Canadian Ice Hockey and how kids who were older in the age groups (and therefore more physically developed) were the ones who got picked up for the higher level training camps, and therefore improved more (and had access to better physical training, nutrition etc.), and then obviously got picked up again because they were bigger and better, so that when the kids who were younger physically matured to the same degree they weren't as skilled and were largely outside the system. 

Good reasoning for having sides by size not age. 

Also I've always through that they use balls that are always too big for them at age grades. You don't stick a future cyclist on a full-sized racing bike at 8!



Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 12 January 2026 at 2:52pm
I think my point is that it takes a deep dive in to a young players skill set to evaluate his/her best position, a quick scan and word of mouth isn't enough.

If that outcome doesn't align to what the player thinks, it's incredibly important to explain why, and to come from a position of knowledge/expertise in that of course.

The other thing is that to nurture talent properly (I mean through to it being their primary occupation )the player has to have the capacity to accept structured and well considered feedback...that can range from their work ethic through to their skills development.

Finally there's literally no need to jettison players from the pathway ( they can elect to leave for a host of other reasons of course) .. if they've been identified properly then it's the Academy coaches role to unlock the potential.

Players have been sidelined for a whole host of imperfect reasoning...size and injury being one of the main ones, but I know of examples like timekeeping, distance from training, too many in the same positions and a few other pearlers.





Posted By: Raised By Peregos
Date Posted: 12 January 2026 at 2:56pm
Don't disagree with any of that. 

It's always tricky. I was an excellent outside centre at 15/16 (if I do say so myself!) but being small, quick, tricksy and chopsy, when everyone else grew I ended up at scrum half. Never had the same natural instincts for it, but as the game turned professional, never had the physical attributes for centre. 


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 12 January 2026 at 8:29pm
Originally posted by Realwest Realwest wrote:

Did Ryan Lanfear come on I work with a guy who seems to think he is a bit special, a usual story looks like he’s too small for backrow and he’s been advised to learn to play hooker.
I watched him in the Dewar Shield final and he was impressive with his ball carrying. He’ll need a growth spurt if he’s going to play backrow at pro level though. He’s still eligible for U16 so that may still happen. 




Posted By: shocker
Date Posted: 13 January 2026 at 4:01pm
There is a 19 year old no 8 at Porthcawl rfc that prydie and bevington say is not going to be there  long as other clubs looking at him. He is a scarlets supporter  and Llanelli boy, family  from llangennech,  bryn  llwynhendy. 
This is the club Exeter picked up Daffdd Jenkins from.



Posted By: John
Date Posted: 01 February 2026 at 3:10pm
6 tries to us 1 to the Dragons at half time. Whats not to like? 


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 01 February 2026 at 4:17pm
55-12 ft.


Posted By: Mugwuffin
Date Posted: 01 February 2026 at 4:29pm
That’s a cracking result. If the Dragons had won they would’ve qualified for the final with a week to spare. 

I haven’t seen any of our U18 matches this season, but there seems to have been a significant improvement from their first couple of matches. If their season had started in January as usual they might’ve qualified for the final themselves. 


Posted By: Wasp
Date Posted: 01 February 2026 at 4:31pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

55-12 ft.
ClapClap
Loving that!


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Posted By: ap sior
Date Posted: 01 February 2026 at 4:35pm
Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

55-12 ft.
ClapClap
Loving that!

Good effort lads, well done.


Posted By: John
Date Posted: 01 February 2026 at 4:50pm
The first half was a complete team performance. It dropped off a bit in the second half - the Dragons defence stiffened a bit as well. We looked bigger, faster and sharper than them, our players consistently made ground after contact, the scrum and lineout went well and our defence repeatedly put opponents on their backsides. I'm really not going to mention names because they were all excellent this afternoon. And well done the coaches.


Posted By: 157cb
Date Posted: 01 February 2026 at 6:15pm


  Great news ! thanks John!


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 01 February 2026 at 7:55pm
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Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 01 February 2026 at 7:58pm
A big win for our U18s in Llandovery 👊 

🔴 Scarlets U18s 57
🟡 Dragons U18s 12

Tries: Rhys Jones (2), Ashton Owen, Alfie Luger, Jayden Brown, Cole Lacey, Rhys Owen, Rhys Wyatt, Aled Skyrme

Cons: Madoc Evans (4), Toby Slater (2)

Llongyfarchiadau bois!!

#nextgeneration


Posted By: hoppy
Date Posted: 01 February 2026 at 7:59pm
Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

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Forget this page copied wrong link 


Posted By: Derwynfawr
Date Posted: 02 February 2026 at 3:18pm
I thought the 9 Alfie Luger was excellent, he is a Dupont type of player, also the hooker Cole Lacey has some real bite about him, the set piece was excellent. 

The coaching team have done a great job with the boys and you can see Emyr Phillips make a big difference heading the academy up. 


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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 12 February 2026 at 8:25pm
Finished the campaign today with a 40 point win over the Dragons, and so take 3rd.

Cardiff were the best over the two rounds of games.

Scarlets didn’t win any of the first round so 3rd was pretty much the best they could get.


Posted By: Rhodri152
Date Posted: 12 February 2026 at 8:47pm
My friends son Ollie Tucker plays front row. Looks a unit of a lad. Very highly thought of at Pembrokeshire schools 


Posted By: John
Date Posted: 13 February 2026 at 7:59am
Originally posted by Rhodri152 Rhodri152 wrote:

My friends son Ollie Tucker plays front row. Looks a unit of a lad. Very highly thought of at Pembrokeshire schools 

The front row went very well in the two games I saw. If he's the blond lad, yes he is very promising. I see he's down as playing loose head last night so he hasn't settled on a side. Even  more valuable. 



Posted By: deilotywi93
Date Posted: 13 February 2026 at 8:51am
Originally posted by hoppy hoppy wrote:

Scarlets U18s v RGC (Sunday, January 11; Llandovery RFC; 14:30)

15 Rhys Wyatt (Coleg y Cymoedd, Llantwit Fardre RFC); 14 Owain Llyr Hywel (Ysgol Penweddig, Aberyswyth RFC), 13 Jayden Brown (Llandovery College, Porthcawl RFC), 12 Harri Davies (Ammanford College, Llandeilo RFC), 11 Noa Harries (Llandovery College, Newcastle Emlyn RFC); 10 Madoc Evans (Coleg Sir Gar, Tenby RFC), 9 Alfie Luger (Llandovery College, Tenby RFC), 1 Ceian Lewis (Coleg Sir Gar, Amman Utd), 2 Cole Lacey (Coleg Sir Gar, Amman Utd), 3 Ollie Tucker (Llandovery College, Tenby RFC), 4 Hefin Hughes (Coleg Sir Gar, Amman Utd RFC), 5 Ifan Gravell-Jones (Ysgol y Strade, Burry Port RFC), 6 Keir Creasey (Ysgol Penweddig, Aberystwyth RFC), 7 Jac Cloke (capt; Coleg Sir Gar, Amman Utd), 8 Harvey Thomas (Llandovery College, Haverfordwest RFC)

Reps: 16 Noah Evans (Gower College, Llandeilo RFC), 17 Sam Cawsey (Llandovery College, South Gower RFC), 18 Dai Thomas (Ysgol Dyffryn Amman, Amman Utd), 19 Ryan Lanfear (Ysgol y Strade, Burry Port RFC), 20 Austin Sandford (Ysgol Penglais, Aberystwyth RFC), 21 Aled Skyrme (Christ College Brecon, Gwernyfed RFC), 22 Deio Thomas (Hartpury College, Newcastle Emlyn RFC), 23 James Bentley (Ysgol Dyffryn Amman, Amman Utd RFC).

Hefin Hughes is also Llandeilo (appreciate that correction is only important to very few!)


Posted By: Gate12
Date Posted: 13 February 2026 at 10:27am
Not a single player from Quins/Athletic or any town clubs is a rarity.


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 13 February 2026 at 10:30am
i see the ospreys beat cardiff to retain the title, be interestng to see how the new regional boundaries are set up


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 13 February 2026 at 4:47pm
Several of the Scarlets boys are still in the age group next season, there's also a very good group of U16's coming through.

Interesting that a couple of guys have signed up to CSG next season (returning from Hartbury early).


Posted By: gnasher1975
Date Posted: 13 February 2026 at 5:35pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

Several of the Scarlets boys are still in the age group next season, there's also a very good group of U16's coming through.

Interesting that a couple of guys have signed up to CSG next season (returning from Hartbury early).


Forgive my ignorance Will CSG??


Posted By: RR1972
Date Posted: 13 February 2026 at 5:43pm
coleg ser gar id guess


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 13 February 2026 at 5:54pm
Originally posted by RR1972 RR1972 wrote:

coleg ser gar id guess


Apologies, yes indeed, Coleg Sir Gar.


Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 13 February 2026 at 6:31pm
Shane Williams at Ysgol Dyffryn Amman filtering boys to Amman Utd?

Loads of Amman Valley boys in that squad!


Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 13 February 2026 at 6:34pm
Including his nephew. Lacey

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Posted By: gnasher1975
Date Posted: 13 February 2026 at 6:42pm
AHH cheers gents, makes sense when you see it👍👍👍


Posted By: nev
Date Posted: 13 February 2026 at 6:56pm
This just sums up the point being made in the predictive text threadWink

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Posted By: Eastern outpost
Date Posted: 13 February 2026 at 7:30pm
Originally posted by nev nev wrote:

This just sums up the point being made in the predictive text threadWink
RR, do you have this on your phone?

Just asking for a few friends Embarrassed


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Posted By: Boisbach
Date Posted: 13 February 2026 at 9:27pm
Originally posted by Gate12 Gate12 wrote:

Not a single player from Quins/Athletic or any town clubs is a rarity.

It’s a poor return from both Carmarthen clubs this year, the Athletic could not field a youth side so merged with Kidwelly youth and the Quins youth are having a fairly poor season by their normal standards.

Amman Utd youth (Prob fuelled by Shane Williams) are the best side in the area and St Clears arnt bad either, I am told they recruited players from other sides.


Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 14 February 2026 at 10:32am
That's pretty fair...those clubs that have invested heavily in their pathways are (by and large) developing the next generation...young players from those that didn't/couldn't do so are losing them to the first batch of clubs mentioned here.

The concern would be that, overall, the talent pool is shrinking a bit as a consequence of course.

I mentioned above about there being some returnees from Hartbury etc...there is a reason for this...basically you are amongst literally hundreds of boys at Hartbury, many keen to make their way to pro rugby, and there's no doubt it's a well trodden path...however if you don't make it (for whatever reason) in to the 40 or so first team squad, then it's pretty slim pickings, and certainly no better then the Welsh collegiate system.

Likewise the Welsh collegiate system is slowly evolving to improve it's offer and also acknowledge the challenges, so instead of working against the obvious attractions of places like Hartbury and Exeter, they are now starting to work with them. We have signed an open side (graduate) from Hartbury for next season for example.

It's a slow burner for sure, and there's lots of opinions about the right way forward...but sitting on our hands we are not.

Reference the U18's comp this year, Scarlets didn't manage a win in the first round of games, so were playing for the minor positions in the second round of games.

Dragons were lined up to finish 2nd to Cardiff, but were well beaten by us last month. We couldn't finish any better than 3rd, so played all our broader squad ( especially those in their last year) against the Ospreys a couple of weeks ago and fell to a 10 point defeat...in turn this pushed the Ospreys up to 2nd place, where they dd well to beat Cardiff in the final.
Scarlets again beat the Dragons comfortably for 3rd place.

Having seen a few games it's reassuring to see the talent, hunger and desire from the players on show. It's a good competition and a good stepping stone to Wales age grade.






Posted By: John
Date Posted: 14 February 2026 at 12:32pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

That's pretty fair...those clubs that have invested heavily in their pathways are (by and large) developing the next generation...young players from those that didn't/couldn't do so are losing them to the first batch of clubs mentioned here.

The concern would be that, overall, the talent pool is shrinking a bit as a consequence of course.

I mentioned above about there being some returnees from Hartbury etc...there is a reason for this...basically you are amongst literally hundreds of boys at Hartbury, many keen to make their way to pro rugby, and there's no doubt it's a well trodden path...however if you don't make it (for whatever reason) in to the 40 or so first team squad, then it's pretty slim pickings, and certainly no better then the Welsh collegiate system.

Likewise the Welsh collegiate system is slowly evolving to improve it's offer and also acknowledge the challenges, so instead of working against the obvious attractions of places like Hartbury and Exeter, they are now starting to work with them. We have signed an open side (graduate) from Hartbury for next season for example.

It's a slow burner for sure, and there's lots of opinions about the right way forward...but sitting on our hands we are not.

Reference the U18's comp this year, Scarlets didn't manage a win in the first round of games, so were playing for the minor positions in the second round of games.

Dragons were lined up to finish 2nd to Cardiff, but were well beaten by us last month. We couldn't finish any better than 3rd, so played all our broader squad ( especially those in their last year) against the Ospreys a couple of weeks ago and fell to a 10 point defeat...in turn this pushed the Ospreys up to 2nd place, where they dd well to beat Cardiff in the final.
Scarlets again beat the Dragons comfortably for 3rd place.

Having seen a few games it's reassuring to see the talent, hunger and desire from the players on show. It's a good competition and a good stepping stone to Wales age grade.





I've watched the games in Llandovery in the past two seasons and really enjoyed them. My farming neighbour came to the Dragons game and was really surprised by the standard. He moved from England a few years ago and was involved in youth rugby before he came to Wales so knows what he's talking about. It wasn't just the tries he was impressed by but the organisation, skills and nitty gritty at close quarters. 

There are issues- the North Walians are smaller and off the standard in many respects and the Dragons are similarly inclined as well. The three other regions though have got their act together. Which leads to the next question: do away with the Ospreys altogether and that just leaves 2 teams of the required standard. Can you keep the Ospreys academy going as a separate entity without the senior set up?


Posted By: Mogwen
Date Posted: 14 February 2026 at 1:47pm
Or does the scarlets inherit their players and play 2 teams?

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Posted By: Wil Chips
Date Posted: 16 February 2026 at 5:23pm
With my granular appreciation of all things a fly half should have, and breaking my rule of not naming players with promise, I have been impressed with the Scarlets U18 fly half and Tenby RFC product, Madoc Evans. (I also like the look of Amman Utd's open side Jac Cloke).





Posted By: scarletpimp
Date Posted: 16 February 2026 at 5:44pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

With my granular appreciation of all things a fly half should have, and breaking my rule of not naming players with promise, I have been impressed with the Scarlets U18 fly half and Tenby RFC product, Madoc Evans. (I also like the look of Amman Utd's open side Jac Cloke).




Hey Will , we could have an all Tenby half back paring of Madoc Evans  and
Archie Hughes.  Tenby utd have produced half backs for Llanelli  in the past with Brian Diment in the 60's and Ben Childs in the 80's thatvI can remember.


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Posted By: John
Date Posted: 16 February 2026 at 6:34pm
Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

With my granular appreciation of all things a fly half should have, and breaking my rule of not naming players with promise, I have been impressed with the Scarlets U18 fly half and Tenby RFC product, Madoc Evans. (I also like the look of Amman Utd's open side Jac Cloke).




I mentioned Madoc after the North Wales U18s game. He was a bit untidy against the Dragons but there is alot of promise there. Long may he progress in the shadow of CLJ.  And the current U18s fly half is Alfie Luger from Tenby RFC. 


Posted By: John
Date Posted: 12 March 2026 at 9:46pm
Giving this thread a push for two reasons, my opening post mentions Harvey Thomas and the U16s team that beat the Dragons 43-24 last night contained 2 back 5 forwards from the U18s team that beat RGC in January- Ifan Gravell Jones and Ryan Lanfear. For a back to play U18s when 15 is one thing. For forwards to do it is another. We have a group of great prospects in the academy- surely some will come through to the first team.


Posted By: Tony Clifton
Date Posted: 12 March 2026 at 11:28pm
Saw in the Three Sides thread that Harvey Thomas signed a 4 year contract apparently.


Posted By: Derwynfawr
Date Posted: 26 March 2026 at 4:52pm
Seen we have 8 of our U18’s in the Wales 6N squad, great representation, starts next week and all streamed on YouTube! 

Cole Lacey 
Harvey Thomas
Rhys Owen
Jac Cloke
Ollie Tucker 
Alfie Luger 
Madoc Evans 
Jayden Brown

Well done boys! 


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