15. Mee 14. LRZ 13. Watkin* 12. Eddie 11. Adams 10. Edwards 9. Tomos

1. Carre 2. Elias 3. Francis 4. Ball 5. Jenkins 6. Plumtree 7. Macleod 8. Wainwright

16. Lake 17. Smith 18. Griffin 19. Carter 20. Moriarty 21. Hardy 22. Costelow 23. Hennessey*

* Watkin to start as the 13 chaneel will be under pressure from the Scottish centres buit if it looks shabby by half time give Hennessey a run out as he may well be the future. 

1 Carre 2 Lake 3 Francis 4 Jenkins 5 Ball / Rhys Davies / Botham 6. Refell 7 Macloed / Deaves 8 Cracknell

16 Lake 17 Smith 18 Griffin 19  Ball / Rhys Davies / Botham 20. Wainwright 21 Macleod/Deaves 22. Hardy (but give him more than 10mins) 23 Hawkins

No but what the hell.

Id sooner pick carl gnojek at 9...and he's about 70

Carre, Lake, Francis, Rhys D, Jenkins, Plumtree, Wainwright, Deaves.

Elias, Smith, Griffin, Freddie T, Macleod, Hardy, Jarrod E, Rogers. 

.15 LRZ 14. Mee 13. Eddie12. Tomkins 11. Murray 10. Costellow 9. T Williams

1. Carre 2. Elias 3. Francis 4. Ball 5. Jenkins 6. Moriarty 7. Macleod 8. Wainwright

16. Lake 17. Smith 18. Griffin 19. Carter 20. Plumbtree 21. Hardy 22. Sheedy  23. Watkins

1 Smith, 2 Lake, 3 Francis, 4 Carter, 5 Jenkins, 6, Cracknell, 7 Mcleod, 8 Wainwright

16 Elias, 17 Carre, 18 Griffin, 19 Davies, 20 Plumtree, 21 Hardy, 22 Evans, 23 Hennessey 

It only makes sense if there was any sense of organisation in the back three defence, which clearly there isn't. It's, again, rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. 

Unless he is injured that is a massive balls up by the coaching staff!! Mee played really well last week.

Agreed Adams did next to nothing but they keep him in!! 

You can add in Plumtree for his YC’s too.

Adams - how he is chosen ahead of Mee, Rogers and Grady is beyond me 

Hawkins- this might be an unpopular view on here, but I haven't seen anything from him in a Scarlets or Wales shirt that would make me select him over JBW or to move Eddie to 12 with Grady at 13 for Wales

Costellow - I agree with his selection but I don't agree with the man management of Edwards who is dropped completely with Evans left wondering why he's still on the bench

Carter - not really a fan but massively relieved that Beard is dropped

Backrow looks weak - Plumtree's discipline is poor, Mann is never more than a 6/10. The form backrow players aren't in the squad (Refell, Macleod, Deaves, Lawrence)

Murray....I just fail to understand what is going on with the back 3 selections

I probably would have not had Plumtree in the team his doubters are correct he is a liability for yellow cards I’d send him back to us until his discipline can be sorted out.

Great to see Beard out of the team hopefully Carter has a good game and that’s the end of Beard.

Think Tandy has the sense to now see that Ben Thomas is not an International.

We are desperate for a real 8 ( I see Wainright as a 6 )

 

And keep Mann, who has collected more yellow cards than Plumtree this season?

Think you really need to check your facts - Plumtree 6 cards, Mann 1. Not even close. Stats are a wonderful thing especially if you make them up. 

Someone, who is normally reliable for stats posted that on X. I apologise for not verifying everything I read 

No apology needed Tov. I always get amused by stats & their uses - my fault for being picky. 

The coaching team are not good enough, never were. I don't care what Abi's pychometric. data-led evaluation says, we know these appointments are Tesco value and nothing more.

Replacements: George Turner, Pierre Schoeman, Elliot Millar Mills, Grant Gilchrist, Josh Bayliss, George Horne, Tom Jordan, Darcy Graham.

Feels like Tandy is flapping a bit and hoping some new faces will bring a bit more energy, but it's the style of play and how restricted people look in their positions that feels like the issue to me.

Every team nowadays use their backrowers (and second rows in France's case!) to create extra numbers when the breakdown situation allows (both in attack and defence) but the Welsh forwards seem like they not allowed to go wider than the 10, equally the back 3 don't roam to create space and we always seem to end up looking like we've got a couple less players on the pitch.

That's a mix of poor awareness from players and poor tactics/coaching.

We need to start picking players with more rugby smarts, people like Murray on the wing, Morse in the backrow, Rhys Davies in the second row. Perceived low error and high (ineffective) workrate really isn't working.

"Rested" probably the word he uses but yes. Mee needs game time next to LRZ those 2 are part of our back 3 for years to come.

Bit like watching the match, really.

Beard has had his time. He was good back in the day. 

My main concern  us injuries  to Scarlets  players.

I am pleased for Costelow,  naturally, but he was injured for Wales v Barbarians on a previous occasion,  and its taken him until now to regain some form.

Just keeping my fingers  crossed

No he wasn’t it has to be the biggest mystery since the Bermuda Triangle and Lord Lucan’s disappearance how he has so many caps.

He's 6ft 8. That's basically it. 

Squidge rugby (you tuber) said 90% lineout success with him against 70% without him.

As Gatland said you can't coach players to be 6'10".

At last..someone  sensible

In Beard's defence, he reminds me of a slimmer version of Derwyn Jones! He was equally as useless and just as big a mystery as to why he ever won a Welsh cap.....they are both tall so maybe they are good at changing lightbulbs

@Pimp I would gladly see Wales continue to concede 50+ points per game if it means all of our players come back without injuries.

My bigger concern is the emotional impact it will have on players like Rogers, Macleod and Mee. They have all been dropped / not selected for totally BS reasons

Mann isn't and never will be a 7, Macleod (and Deaves) deserve that shirt way before him

Rogers is one of only 10 players to score a hatrick against NZ and cant get near the 23

Mee has been the best back 3 player by a mile

And Reffell considerably more than either of those.

A bit unfair, he's been key in how we've played so far and has done some really good improvisational stuff in attack and defence. 

His injury looked serious though.

Disappointing, Carley rode us too at the end (Scottish 8 illegally jouned on their last try) but we only have ourselves to blame.  WRU...thanks

He made a difference....steady and solid brave 10 ...no one else comes close 

And the AR was watching as he joined in front of the carrier, who eventually scored.

He was carrying his right arm. Shoulder or upper arm? Perhaps a rib.

I didn't see the game. Anyone else think that's the case?

And gutted to see about Sam. That's sh!t.

Basic stuff, never turn your back on the opposition. That was a schoolboy error by Botham and HW

Spot on with this.

Mee is class never has a bad game and this guy out of his depth.

Agree on Jenkins I thought he was outstanding 

So, Jarrod Evans just kicks our penalty for 3 points yeah.....all good. All our players are trotting back to our half post 3 points conversion, including the Scottish lads to restart the game from the half way.

During this period, and whilst everyone is running back, a ball boy runs onto the pitch from the half way line to place a ball on the half way spot.

This isn't the same ball that was converted by Jarrod. Yet, the ball that was placed on the half way is the ball that Finn used for a quick kick-off that caught everyone napping. 

So the question is, unless the ball that Jarrod used to to successfully kick our penalty was defective after that conversion, then shouldn't the same ball have been used at the restart?

Looking at the rules, I thought that you are generally required to use the same match ball that was in play, to say score a try, and then a conversation, and then at the restart?

I'm not sure about that...but in my experience just before a kick off the referee normally asks both "captains are you ready?"

With regard to the lineout/driving mauls the referee of the u20s last night penalised both sides for leaving the lineout before the jumper was back on the ground to join the driving maul.  The Scots today were double banked and sometimes treble banked before the lineout was completed,  no penalties given.  As for the penalty against Tomos for a Croc roll clear out it was as dangerous as a sausage roll!

If you watch the post match analysis on the BBC, straight after the game between Gaby, Warbs, Bartley, Johnson & AWJ, when they go to the video clip review that is taken from behind the posts. Jarrod takes the penalty for 3 points, and instantly you can see a ball boy running onto the pitch with a ball that he places on the half way spot.

I counted 3 Welsh players that were still in the Scottish half, as well as the rest of the Scottish lads also running towards the half way line whilst he's doing that.

Finn actually restarts the game before the ball boys runs off the pitch, and it's clearly not the same match ball that was used for the conversation. 

According to the rules, from what I've been trying to break down tonight, that's not right and is suspect. 

We were caught out because we didn't get the chance get into position before the restart. 

If this appears to be legit, then what is stopping Finn sitting on the half way line in readiness from a penalty conversation, and a winger, ready to punt the ball down field before the rest of the opposing team have returned to their half and are in position for a restart. 

Costellow leg injury on crutches  both having scans on Monday 

This is what Gemini has to say:

Under World Rugby Law 2, while the ball used for a kick at goal (conversion or penalty) must be the one that was in play at the time, there is no requirement to use that exact same ball for the subsequent kickoff.

​Here is the breakdown of how this works in practice and in the law:

​1. The "One Ball" Rule for Kicking at Goal

​Law 8.8 (for conversions) and Law 8.22 (for penalty goals) state that the kicker must use the ball that was in play unless it is defective. This prevents players from swapping in a "special" kicking ball that might be drier or pumped to a specific pressure just for the shot.

​2. The Restart (The Kickoff)

​Once the goal is kicked (or missed and goes dead), that phase of play is over. For the restart:

• ​The "Ball Person" factor: In professional matches, ball boys/girls will usually have a spare ball ready at the halfway line for the team kicking off to ensure the game restarts quickly.
• ​Practicality: If a player hammers a penalty kick deep into the stands or over a fence, the referee isn't going to wait for a fan to throw it back. They will simply call for a "new" match ball from the sidelines.

​3. Match Ball Standards

​Teams usually provide a set of identical, pre-approved match balls (often 5 to 10 balls per game). Because every ball in that set is considered "the match ball," switching between them at a natural break in play—like a kickoff—is perfectly legal.