Hopefully positive news. 

   Have confidemce bois !

Bringing us a few massive locks to carry the cash as well.

He reads it most mornings

This may have been longstanding engagement. Alternatively, SCC made their announcement today knowing that the WRU Board were at PyS.

Cheer up, I know that somebody loves you

Let me guess Reddin & his enforcer Manders?

Doesn’t change the fact the ospreys direct owners want to buy Cardiff and have looked to offload the Ospreys numerous times.

Yep. 

And Rob Davies ain’t going to put £2m a year in by himself.

Any idea how much he put in when he saved them in 2019.

Or, why is that glass twice as big as it needs to be? 

That was more a case of leadership than money, although Os were losing less then than now, but I think Mike James was running the show until Rob picked up a newspaper and realised his team was about to be swallowed up by Nigel Short. 

Tender seems likely, and the latest developments don’t work in our favour. Incredibly frustrating. I wish we managed to just sign PRA25 before the Dragons did.

Very much so, WRU reps last night said this is now the likely outcome.

Population size is the main one.

Although Ospreys are fighting the case for swansea and only swansea, scarlets have fought for West wales. The key imo.

Its to do with chimneys apparently.

It will be my fault then I've pulled loads down in the past in my former career 

Population size is the main one.

What appears to have happened is that the O's now have a direct public service backer & partner. They seem to have lured Y11 into continuing to invest by offering ongoing public money and investment ( Bit like the Welsh Gov use to do to attract & retain overseas businesses to relocate to Wales).

Would Carmarthenshire Council enter into a business partnership with Scarlet's I wonder?

Correct 

I raised that very point & was told that as it stands, right now the Dragons are in a good place.

What appears to have happened is that the O's now have a direct public service backer & partner. They seem to have lured Y11 into continuing to invest by offering ongoing public money and investment ( Bit like the Welsh Gov use to do to attract & retain overseas businesses to relocate to Wales).

Would Carmarthenshire Council enter into a business partnership with Scarlet's I wonder?

You’d assume they are already given the stadium.

SCC are just more visible with Rob Stewart always putting himself front and centre. 

As far as continue investment from Y11, this could easily be read as Y11 investing what SCC have had to pay to relocate the cricket and whites. Nothing is concrete with them still and the language is purposely designed to look optimistic without any long term guarantee.

Can you say what was asked as a whole and what was said? 

I'll be honest a lot of it was "What else can we do?" They bemoaned the state of the WRUs finances when they arrived & said that it is now likely to go to tender. They didn't like it when someone said (when they said the Dragons were in a great position financially) "Yes because they were bailed out by the WRU previously."

Rob Davies is the only Ospreys rep on that press statement. While he may have an interest in Y11, the obvious conclusion is that he's acting by himself. It's a risk to us if he can get together a consortium to bid on a tender but I don't think he's got the funding to do that himself. 

If his investment in St Helens is restricted to a stand (which they already have from Worcester), TV facilities (basically some WiFi, power and telecoms connections) and a fan zone (a temp marquee type structure, or maybe even just some food/drink stalls) it really won't be much in terms of funding. 

Instead of giving Scarlets the £8m payout awarded by the court case, the WRU are giving us Ospreys.  We have to take on their debts and players but we do get to have a badge that shows a dragon shagging an osprey as of the 27/28 season. 

Home games will be played at Parc Y Scarlets, away games to be played at St Helens, but judgement day games will now be hosted on a potato field near Felinwint.  And we're going to move the East stand from the Parc to St Helens so they have some seats.

To sweeten the deal, Nanny Goggins in Fishgard has agreed to falsify documents 'proving' Ardie Savea and Antoine Dupont are her grandkids and therefore eligible for Wales, and sign them for us this summer.

This all depends on PRA32 being signed before 2035 though, so it might not happen.

You'll from our lot when they want the "loyal" fans to rally behind the cause

Same here. End of Jan it was a slam dunk we were surviving. Now it’s a 50/50 shot.

With whom? Just curious

Everything I have seen and heard on and off record since this debacle reared it's head leads me to totally agree with that statement!

There's also a lot opportunism going on from certain people who are nothing to do with rugby, have said sweet FA until the last 2 months but now see a chance for some publicity.

thanks for sharing your wishes because that's all they are 

If I had to bet £50 on the outcome it wouldn't be on the Os

2 wouldn't have changed as whoever wins will have the links. We have links with CSG, Llandovery etc...Ospreys would have them if they win. Population and schools etc is a tie for both.

100%  couple weeks ago I was very optimistic, now it looks like the Os have the upper hand, very concerning 

I hope you’re right RR.

Don't agree with you on 2. Whoever wins will be the only people available to work with Universities. Point 4 is based on our corporate facilities. We have capacity for close to 1000 in hospitality, maybe more. And that's without adding marquees if we really need them. And the barn of course

I don't think it's cut and dried either ,BTW and there's no guarantee that those making the decision won't judge the criteria in accordance with their own desires. But on paper, we must be favourite.

"Ospreys owners still want out"

I initially thought that too until the last day or two and the suggested commitment (Council minutes) by Y11 to fund the new stand, fan zone & broadcast infrastructure. Why commit £1000's if they're out? Is the seemingly commitment legally binding?

The criteria has to be agreed by all applicants is how it was stated. So i cant see us agreeing to city status to be one of the criterias as automatically puts us out. Agreeing the criteria alone is going to take months. Then the tender itself is going to take months....I personally cant see this ending by end of next season. 

What I am more curious of though is what happens if Y11 now pull out of Cardiff due to all this backlash?

All eyes will be on WRU then to see what they do. As more, shall we say, favours, will be under an extreme microscope due to recent legal hearings etc. 

Will WRU simply close Cardiff down - as their own admission that they cannot afford to keep them, theyre also struggling to sell , so will close them? 

I personally dont buy this they'd just sell to the other consortium as even that will take up many more months if they ever find one. 

Early days yet & information is scarce. My thoughts are if Y11 is permitted to own 2 teams and in conjunction with ongoing financial backing from a Council (to a business having the backing of public funds must be a strong draw) could we be looking at a situation where all 4 teams are maintained?

Well...it is supposedly decided by someone independent to wru...but I know they can get who they want. 

The main thing that is missing on the list is branding - the Scarlets brand has had its ups and downs but it is has always tried to remain true to providing entertaining, running rugby, sometimes not succesfully but is renowned across the rugby world for this - our brand. Fans have largely stuck with the club and await the next Renaissance of Scarlets rugby.

The Ospreys brand is now damaged, there we few supporters that turned up at the Liberty and now there are even less. Y11 and Lance Bradley are not favoured by the fans. The annoucement, yesterday that the Ospreys are returning "home to Swansea" next season will not go down well with the new Bridgend area fans.  With the main players exiting this season they are such a long way from when they were the Galacticos. So unless they do a lot of recruiting, onfield they are going to struggle, which will not encourage fans to attend.  If Wales qualify for the World cup and Swansea FC maintain their position more emphasis will be on football than rugby in Swansea and with that competition for season tickets and game attendance.  They have so many problems we fortuneatly don't have

Agree with most of above but not No.8

  I live near Cardiff. I would be parked and walking to Y Parc at the time that I would be still stuck in a traffic jam a few miles from St Helens.. Where to park down there would be another added problem. I would think that most travellers from the east would agree. Ironically, that catchment would include a lot of current Osprey fans.

Yes, PYS is truly a gem, and should serve as a community and regional hub for rugby in west Wales. Everything Reddin wants for performance, we have.

If I had to guess - the reason would be that any lawyers fees and delays in quitting contracts etc would far outweigh the cost of this if it means there's a chance they can make any legal action against them unwinnable or prevent it from happening.

Ospreys don't make money, they don't know if Cardiff will make money (haven't so far). Y11 won't want to carry two loss making businesses. 

They will either shut down or sell up. You'd think any sale would have to happen before the tender. If it's selling to an unknown then there's a downside based on lack of track record. If it's to Rob Davies, that's more problematic but he doesn't have the financial clout and he's already sold up once before (y11 own about 75%?)

Before we get too negative, they're still playing out of a stadium that makes Rodney Parade look modern next season in a curious location. Send the WRU in there to visit at rush hour during term time!

If all else fails it will occur to SCC that selling the Vetch and building on it just around the corner in a far worse area made some people a boat load of.cash.

Whatever happens they have to play somewhere next season.

Chucking a few quid erecting a stand the've already bought and some other improvements is small change. The fanzone will be a marquee type structure. On the submitted plans, phase 1 shows the fanzone as grass, with a legend saying "Covered fan zone". The broadcast infrastructure will be scaffolding. 

Yeah, There's not much chance of building anything complex, but who knows, they may have stuff lined up

It's not the rugby which causes the traffic jams. Have you ever done that journey on a Friday night from Britton Ferry down to Swansea , or more to the point onwards towards Mumbles?  From Britton Ferry onwards to Llanelli is fairly clear.  Re, parking: where would that be? 

Same could be said about Stradey

There is no on-street parking availability the Rec is a park and ride but access and egress is restricted via diversions.Any significant crowds will cause significant issues as the traffic flow is at present.

I agree, I live in Swansea also, and the traffic by Fabian way on a Friday is bonkers as it is. Mumbles and Arena traffic on a Saturday doesn’t help either.