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Tim Opolis 
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Both with games on Saturday 2.30 kick off. Drovers are at home Quins away at Tonmawr. Llanelli have moved their game to Sunday.
Regional feeder clubs? either they, the WRU or both arent exactly supporting their region.
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TonduTurk
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Posted: 06 December 2011 at 11:51pm |
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very poor mate.
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Tim Opolis
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Posted: 07 December 2011 at 12:19am |
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I dont believe that the regional teams and in that I include division 1 west sides properly support their regional pro team i.e. the Scarlets. I have first hand experience of this attitude of us and them. When we should all be pulling in the same direction. The pro regional game is struggling big time to attract fans to games. The TV scheduling does nothing to help and the local sides with the scheduling of their games which is controlled by the WRU do not help either. Is it that much more difficult to move a game to a Friday night or to a Sunday. Llanelli have done it, by having an early kick in Carmarthen to accomadate fans desires to see both games. There are losers on both sides of this, there may be Drovers fans who also support the Scarlets who have to choose between one and the other on Saturday. Why on earth when for example the Scarlets and Drovers work so closely together on player development etc. are they playing a game at the same time? it just doesnt make sense. Now I dont know why this is the case, is there no desire from Quins or Drovers to change fixtures, is it impossible to do so, if so why is it so difficult, this is where the WRU come in. As it turns out now this weekend Drovers may lose some fans to the Scarlets and the Scarlets will lose fans to the Drovers. Local sides have even arranged friendlies this weekend as it is a Cup weekend. We are meant to be one region with the Scarlets at the pinnacle of the pyramid. But there are just too many obstacles put in front of fans which hamper them attending pro rugby games. This is a classic example of the lack of co-operation. A valid point and a valid concern imo.
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Posted: 07 December 2011 at 3:12am |
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All the way behind this Tim...I reckon conservatively that there are 500 people who will play or follow their local club who would have otherwise been at Parc y Scarlets had it not been for the fixture clash this Saturday.
To add insult to injury there was a very small handful of games last weekend (because of the Wales game) so the same 500 were likely sat at hime, and then next weeks game is on a Sunday (in Munster). All very wrong. |
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Posted: 07 December 2011 at 5:00am |
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When I was playing in the lower leagues, it was very difficult to change times/days of games due to the WRU wanting all games to kick off at the same time
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Dan the Drover
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Posted: 07 December 2011 at 9:32am |
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The support overlap isn't as large as it might be, but game times sometimes don't help. Switching fixtures at semi-pro level would be easier if there were enough feeders to ensure that when a region is playing, feeders in that region play each other. But when that isn't so, you can't avoid clashes, particularly when the ERC don't even firm up their fixtures until well after the season starts. The fact that the Pro12 hardly ever stages games at 2:30 on a Saturday reflects the more constrained schedules that semi-pro and amateur rugby has to follow.
Perhaps with the new Premiership agreement, the WRU will be able to expect all players in the semi-pro division to be able to play at any time. As it is, some of these players have other commitments and need to plan in advance. |
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omri jones
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Posted: 07 December 2011 at 11:46am |
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Not sure if it's a good idea for 2 of our semi-pro teams to be kicking seven shades of shlt out of eachother just before players and fans are asked to pull together to support the Scarlets.
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TonduTurk
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Posted: 07 December 2011 at 1:16pm |
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saturday kick offs dont suit us. arent there 70+ clubs in our region all kicking off at 2.30 on a saturday and thus preventing potential fans attending the scarlet games ?
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Posted: 07 December 2011 at 1:24pm |
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It is difficult to call games off without a valid reason, Both clubs have to agree mutually, then inform the WRU and if they accept then a new date has to be found which both clubs are happy with and a ref can make it
Im just glad that we have been knocked out of the cup already 
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Tim Opolis
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Posted: 07 December 2011 at 1:39pm |
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There's a lot of hard work ahead of us and the WRU have to play a leading role in this. I know the Scarlets have been guilty in the past of being a bit aloof in their Ivory towers at Stradey, but I dont think that is true anymore and we are working hard to forge closer bonds with our regional sides.
Having local teams playing at the same time as the Scarlets makes no sense at all. It benefits neither party.
I understand that village sides have players with jobs but with good planning, plenty of notice could be given. As it happens we dont play many games on Saturday afternoon but this year 2 Heineken Cup games so far have been on a Saturday afternoon with hundreds of local rugby fans and players are involved elswhere. If we were talking 3 or 4 games a year it wouldnt take much reorganising. Especially for the H Cup.
I am going to seek out Munster fans on the weekend out of interest, and ask them whether their local sides play when Munster have Saturday afternoon games. Edited by Tim Opolis - 07 December 2011 at 1:48pm |
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Posted: 07 December 2011 at 3:39pm |
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Llanelli are different as it's a B&I cup game that was moved months ago due to the Munster game. When they first announced the fixtures I hoped they would do a double header for the 2 games. Would have made sense to have the B&I game at say 7pm on Saturday and anyone who had already watched the Munster game could stay and watch for free.
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Posted: 07 December 2011 at 3:41pm |
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Posted: 07 December 2011 at 11:52pm |
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how many years ago was that ?. during the early few years of the welsh/scottish / celtic league we were only getting 3k / 4k. the biggest crowd was only 6k for a local derby against swansea !!. the crowds have grown every year since. Edited by TonduTurk - 07 December 2011 at 11:53pm |
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Posted: 08 December 2011 at 1:04pm |
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There are a lot of Carmarthen Quins supporters who couldnt care less about us unfortunately
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Posted: 08 December 2011 at 1:47pm |
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And you can add a lot of other clubs names to that list. Its the village mentality. Its their village and Wales, end of. What I'm saying is that they can follow both.
The Irish have always had provinces I suspect that's why they buy into it, the Welsh have never been proud to be from Carmarthenshire etc. and county boundaries and names have changed so often, Dyfed for example.
If were to increase our average crowds to 10,000 average we need these local rugby clubs to embrace us and for there not to be clashes with Scarlet games. If the WRU changed the fixtures they'd have no choice in the matter, why not have midweek fixtures on H Cup weekends? then some of their fans might try regional rugby and if they liked it, they may come back.
The WRU have to act imo, aside of us, crowds are in decline, rather than trying to attract new people to the game of rugby, lets get existing rugby fans behind their respective regions.
There's a lot of work to do, to change a mindset forged for over a century or more in some clubs cases.
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Posted: 09 December 2011 at 11:58am |
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POSTED BY SUPERTAF - used the wrong log-in ooops !!
When I was growing up so well before leagues. Maybe slightly fond memories but when I was in school in the late 70's early 80's, saturday afternoon was Stradey, no question of doing anything else. I used to play as well but they games never clashed with the Scarlets. Mind you that is back in the days of sense when we never played on days when there were internationals, players only missed club games if it was their first cap the following weekend etc.... Have we really moved forward as a nation? Edited by New_scarlet - 09 December 2011 at 12:04pm |
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