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    Posted: 23 December 2011 at 8:39am
Havel was a writer who produced satirical plays to subversively criticise the communist regime in Czechoslovakia (and by implication, all totalitarian governments). He spent several years in prison as a result, and later was elected president during the collapse of communism in eastern Europe.

Havel was not a 'natural' politician, partly because he never took himself too seriously.My favourite memory of him is the way he made fun of the secret police, who were camped on his doorstep, during a BBC documentary. Part of that film can be seen at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngHldh6UDbs


(sorry, can't seem to make links work any more)




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not being disrespectful,but i've never heard of him.
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Originally posted by kcreg kcreg wrote:

not being disrespectful,but i've never heard of him.


Try

1. watching today's news bulletins and/or

2. looking him up on Wikipedia.

A fantastic human being, a brave man who stood up for his principles.
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:


Originally posted by kcreg kcreg wrote:

not being disrespectful,but i've never heard of him.


Try

1. watching today's news bulletins and/or

2. looking him up on Wikipedia.

A fantastic human being, a brave man who stood up for his principles.



Good post Aber and spot on with the last line.
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Unfortunately his principles included turning over his country over to the free market wolves and joining NATO.
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Originally posted by omri jones omri jones wrote:

Unfortunately his principles included turning over his country over to the free market wolves and joining NATO.


This is unfair - Havel was a dissident who never expected to find himself in the position of president - he was never a politician (unlike Mandela).

He poked fun at the communist regime in Czechoslovakia, got locked up for several years as a result, and was pretty surprised to be elected president.

He should be judged for his role as a stirrer, not so much for what came later -which no doubt was a result of political horse trading rather than writing satirical plays ( what Havel was best at).

In any case, the Czechs have done pretty well out of the move to a free market (just look at Skoda), unlike the poor Russians, where all the money has ended up in the pockets of a few gangsters and Putin's mates.
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by omri jones omri jones wrote:

Unfortunately his principles included turning over his country over to the free market wolves and joining NATO.


This is unfair - Havel was a dissident who never expected to find himself in the position of president - he was never a politician (unlike Mandela).

He poked fun at the communist regime in Czechoslovakia, got locked up for several years as a result, and was pretty surprised to be elected president.

He should be judged for his role as a stirrer, not so much for what came later -which no doubt was a result of political horse trading rather than writing satirical plays ( what Havel was best at).

In any case, the Czechs have done pretty well out of the move to a free market (just look at Skoda), unlike the poor Russians, where all the money has ended up in the pockets of a few gangsters and Putin's mates.
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Originally posted by kcreg kcreg wrote:

not being disrespectful,but i've never heard of him.
Try a bit of googling before being so 'disrespectful' you beaut.
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