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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I think that’s right. We were also the development region for Gareth Thomas, Josh Adams, George North, Jac Morgan and Liam Williams.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gate12 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 August 2023 at 8:28am
There's also Javan with Scotland who was developed within the region.

The amount of players in the squad not within Wales should be the concern, and with playing budget dropping further next season it's only likely to increase.
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Originally posted by Wil Chips Wil Chips wrote:

I think that’s right. We were also the development region for Gareth Thomas, Josh Adams, George North, Jac Morgan and Liam Williams.

Another fact which is very relevant is what are we comparing our "paltry" representation with? Of the 33 players selected 13 will not be playing their rugby in Wales if we assume Halfpenny will retire or go abroad. 4 from 20 is 20% which would be 25% with Ken's inclusion. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wil Chips Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 August 2023 at 7:47am
I think that’s right. We were also the development region for Gareth Thomas, Josh Adams, George North, Jac Morgan and Liam Williams.

Edited by Wil Chips - 22 August 2023 at 7:49am
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Originally posted by crj89 crj89 wrote:

What does it say about us as a club to only have 4 players representing Wales at the World Cup? We usually have 2/3/4 players on a lions tour, let alone Wales.

The lowest representation of any of the regions.

Thats a pretty negative way to look at things. As Wil has mentioned below we also have Sam & Fifita in the Tonga squad. We should also take into account that we would have had Ken in the squad barring an injury & with the current doubts about Faletau I also believe that Josh would have been taken instead of one of the 3 out and out 7's. 

Another stat which is a huge positive for me is that we also have a host of young guys who are probably the next in line in various positions - Hardy, Joe, Kemsley, Rogers & Taine. Time to celebrate our boys.
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Apparently Hardy asked not to go if he wasn’t 1st or 2nd choice.
Wanted to be home with his youngest after she was hospitalised, which I understand and respect if right.
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Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Only two scrum halves or have I missed something?

Sam is back up scrum half. 
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Originally posted by Scarlet Fantastic Scarlet Fantastic wrote:

I'm sick and tired of our regions & specifically the Scarlets losing their players for huge chunks of the season. A world cup is a particularly trying time as the players miss weeks of the season's start.  I'm becoming disillusioned with the Wales team. I'm also becoming sick & tired of Scarlets players being scape goated for poor Wales performances. Yesterday, Hardy's taken a load of stick when the pack were going backwards at a rate of knots & ruck ball was a mess. Tom Rogers & Jonny Williams have been criticised when slow ball allowed the South Africans to crowd the midfield. I suspect this World Cup will be a washout for Wales with a strong Fiji team threatening to cause a not so massive upset. With Scalets players taking flack for a poor team performance, our regions' squads being stripped due to WRU budget cuts & the Welsh lads suffering a potentially confidence hitting World Cup; a large part of me would like to see our boys (Scarlets) stay home & get a good pre season under their belt & a strong start to the campaign. I also think Gatland is past his sell by date. After the England game I noticed in a post match interview a Welsh player saying they're under instruction not to make mistakes, stick to the game plan at the cost of personal flair. Sounds like Gatland wants robots as opposed to creative 'play whats in front of them' players. Sorry but I'd much rather see the Scarlets win than see a crap Welsh team play paint by numbers with a gameplan 10 years out of date. Sorry rant over & I hope all our Scarlets selected have a fantastic tournament.

It’s what a sports person aims for in their career. To represent their country. It’s selfish to want to deny them that. Plus have you seen how much money they get? Open both eyes, a lot of players were criticised. 
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With so many injuries these days, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if some of the Scarlets boys who haven’t made the 33 travel to France as injury replacements.
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Originally posted by crj89 crj89 wrote:

What does it say about us as a club to only have 4 players representing Wales at the World Cup? We usually have 2/3/4 players on a lions tour, let alone Wales.

The lowest representation of any of the regions.



I know you edited this to show 'Wales'm but to me it's not a great stat when we also have Fifita and Lousi.

No region has more than 6 (like us).

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Originally posted by Wasp Wasp wrote:

Originally posted by Raised By Peregos Raised By Peregos wrote:

And Joe of course... added to Ken and Josh when they recover. 

I know there aren't really games but will be good to have them available to train. Especially Plumtree who hasn't spent any time with them yet.

We have 3 decent warm up fixtures, Barbarians on 16th  on 29th Sept. Dragons on 6th October (God knows why they're on Friday nights!). Then we have to take the squad to SA for the 1st 2 league games (Bulls then Stormers)

This means we can do that with a decent level of preparation. I'm chuffed with that.



Not sure the guys released by Wales will be available for the Baabaas game.
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Originally posted by Mugwuffin Mugwuffin wrote:

Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Just seen this on the BBC:

You have to feel for Taine Plumtree.

He was all set to start pre-season with Scarlets this summer when he got a call out of the blue from Warren Gatland to join Wales on their training camp.

His ability to play in the second-row and back-row would have made him a huge asset but injury at Twickenham has cost him.

So it seems that Plumtree may have got picked ahead of Tshiunza but for the injury. Gatland has told him to be ready in case Wales need replacements during the tournament, so he may still make it…

I hope we look at whether Plumtree needs an operation, and if so, get it done soon rather than try and ‘manage it’ through the World Cup period in case he gets a call-up. The last thing we need is to find out he needs a shoulder op once the season has started and lose him for 3-4 months. 
My concern as well. We seem to see too much of the “ managing the injury “ guff and it ends up in an operation! Plumtree has not even trained with his club and he’s been lucky enough to be capped.  I hope the club does the right thing here for the club 


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What does it say about us as a club to only have 4 players representing Wales at the World Cup? We usually have 2/3/4 players on a lions tour, let alone Wales.

The lowest representation of any of the regions.


Edited by crj89 - 21 August 2023 at 6:42pm
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Just seen this on the BBC:

You have to feel for Taine Plumtree.

He was all set to start pre-season with Scarlets this summer when he got a call out of the blue from Warren Gatland to join Wales on their training camp.

His ability to play in the second-row and back-row would have made him a huge asset but injury at Twickenham has cost him.

So it seems that Plumtree may have got picked ahead of Tshiunza but for the injury. Gatland has told him to be ready in case Wales need replacements during the tournament, so he may still make it…

I hope we look at whether Plumtree needs an operation, and if so, get it done soon rather than try and ‘manage it’ through the World Cup period in case he gets a call-up. The last thing we need is to find out he needs a shoulder op once the season has started and lose him for 3-4 months. 
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Originally posted by aber-fan aber-fan wrote:

Originally posted by locked out supertaf locked out supertaf wrote:

Originally posted by greypower1 greypower1 wrote:

Only two scrum halves or have I missed something?
Apparently Costellow is cover for 9....

I can see him playing there in an emergency - skilful player. 
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